Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Dear All, Someone has asked me privately, "what planet governs common-sense". He related to me that many astrologers(?) attempted to answer this question and no-one actually had a definitive answer...it seems each astrologer ascribed this function to a different planet. I'm continually amazed by the poor grasp of the basics amongst today's astrologers. Knowledge of the basics is the first step! And, until that's understood completely, no one is ready for the next step... Two planets (only) are associated with mind: Moon governs common-sense whilst logic is governed by Mercury. But are they not the same thing my querist asked...the answer is NO! Common-sense is based on stored memory (Moon) whilst logic, a function of the intellect (Mercury), is what enables one to investigate, find answers, and learn new things. Once learned, these are then stored in the mind as memory. Common-sense is the simple process of accessing these stored memories and applying them to a given situation. It's said that Mercury accesses all the grahas in order to find the answers he's looking for. It's through the grace of Jupiter that Mercury can access divine knowledge; it's through the grace of Saturn that Mercury learns wisdom; it's through the grace of Venus that Mercury learns the qualities of love and beauty... But what will he learn from these planets if they're weak or afflicted. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Dear Mrs Wendy That is indeed a very interesting query. One cannot access common sense judging from one planet only, but I would say that Saturn is perhaps the planet that would help a person's mind to have common sense, but as you said what if Saturn is a very weak functional malefic in the chart? Would that Saturn still be good for common sense? I have learnt with you and others in this maling list that these things cannot be down to one aspect only. In my opinion, common sense should be judged from the entire chart having in consideration the many relationships between planets and timing of events because as everything in life nothing is forever and one can have a sound common sense during one period of his/her life and then suddenly all that common sense is gone and the opposite is also true - I have seen this happen to many people as they get older. Best wishes, Rui. Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear All, Someone has asked me privately, "what planet governs common-sense". He related to me that many astrologers(?) attempted to answer this question and no-one actually had a definitive answer...it seems each astrologer ascribed this function to a different planet. I'm continually amazed by the poor grasp of the basics amongst today's astrologers. Knowledge of the basics is the first step! And, until that's understood completely, no one is ready for the next step... Two planets (only) are associated with mind: Moon governs common-sense whilst logic is governed by Mercury. But are they not the same thing my querist asked...the answer is NO! Common-sense is based on stored memory (Moon) whilst logic, a function of the intellect (Mercury), is what enables one to investigate, find answers, and learn new things. Once learned, these are then stored in the mind as memory. Common-sense is the simple process of accessing these stored memories and applying them to a given situation. It's said that Mercury accesses all the grahas in order to find the answers he's looking for. It's through the grace of Jupiter that Mercury can access divine knowledge; it's through the grace of Saturn that Mercury learns wisdom; it's through the grace of Venus that Mercury learns the qualities of love and beauty... But what will he learn from these planets if they're weak or afflicted. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Astrology chart Vedic astrology Personal reading Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Rui-- You Wrote: *One cannot access common sense judging from one planet only, but I would say that Saturn is perhaps the planet that would help a person's mind to have common sense, but as you said what if Saturn is a very weak functional malefic in the chart? Would that Saturn still be good for common sense?* I have not put forward some hypothesis that needs to be debated! We're taught by the rishis (and myself by Maharishi) that Moon governs the mind (memory, common-sense etc), and that Mercury governs the intellect (learning etc). This is not MY idea but the teaching of the rishis! *in life nothing is forever and one can have a sound common sense during one period of his/her life and then suddenly all that common sense is gone and the opposite is also true - I have seen this happen to many people as they get older.* The physical heart also begins to fail when people get old -are we then to conclude that the physical heart is not governed by Sun? The significations of all grahas begin to deteriorate as old age approaches, this is a natural process. Not only does one's memory begin to fade but so too does one's libido (Venus); one's energy (Mars) etc.. Are we then to conclude that the significations of these planets should then be seen from other planets... I myself am becoming quite weary and really wish people would stop sending me these private mails...wanting me to discuss their queries but not wishing to be identified...it gets a bit out of hand, I'm afraid. So, please members, if you have a query, send it to the list and not to me personally...please! Thank You, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Rui-- You Wrote: *One cannot access common sense judging from one planet only, but I would say that Saturn is perhaps the planet that would "help a person's mind to have common sense".* Can you not see the contradiction in your statement... "would help the person's mind have common sense"? Is this not what I've said, i.e; common-sense is a quality of the mind. So where's your argument?? *but I would say that Saturn is perhaps the planet that would help a person's mind to have common sense* Did I not say that it's through the grace of Saturn the intellect learns wisdom and that this wisdom, stored in the MIND as memory, can be drawn upon. Of course wisdom is not always what we learn from Saturn - sometimes his nature is cruel. A cruel Saturn can give rise to very cruel leaders etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:59 AM Re: A lesson in common sense Rui-- You Wrote: *One cannot access common sense judging from one planet only, but I would say that Saturn is perhaps the planet that would help a person's mind to have common sense, but as you said what if Saturn is a very weak functional malefic in the chart? Would that Saturn still be good for common sense?* I have not put forward some hypothesis that needs to be debated! We're taught by the rishis (and myself by Maharishi) that Moon governs the mind (memory, common-sense etc), and that Mercury governs the intellect (learning etc). This is not MY idea but the teaching of the rishis! *in life nothing is forever and one can have a sound common sense during one period of his/her life and then suddenly all that common sense is gone and the opposite is also true - I have seen this happen to many people as they get older.* The physical heart also begins to fail when people get old -are we then to conclude that the physical heart is not governed by Sun? The significations of all grahas begin to deteriorate as old age approaches, this is a natural process. Not only does one's memory begin to fade but so too does one's libido (Venus); one's energy (Mars) etc.. Are we then to conclude that the significations of these planets should then be seen from other planets... I myself am becoming quite weary and really wish people would stop sending me these private mails...wanting me to discuss their queries but not wishing to be identified...it gets a bit out of hand, I'm afraid. So, please members, if you have a query, send it to the list and not to me personally...please! Thank You, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Now that makes sense! So, regarding house significations, the 5th would signify common sense as this house signifies memory. And actually this is the only house that signifies mind (both memory & intellect). This is so per Parashara, correct? Take it easy, Sean jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@o...> wrote: > > Dear All, > > Someone has asked me privately, "what planet governs common-sense". > He related to me that many astrologers(?) attempted to answer this > question and no-one actually had a definitive answer...it seems each > astrologer ascribed this function to a different planet. > > I'm continually amazed by the poor grasp of the basics amongst > today's astrologers. Knowledge of the basics is the first step! And, > until that's understood completely, no one is ready for the next > step... > > Two planets (only) are associated with mind: > Moon governs common-sense whilst logic is governed by Mercury. But > are they not the same thing my querist asked...the answer is NO! > > Common-sense is based on stored memory (Moon) whilst logic, a > function of the intellect (Mercury), is what enables one to > investigate, find answers, and learn new things. Once learned, these > are then stored in the mind as memory. Common-sense is the simple > process of accessing these stored memories and applying them to a > given situation. > > It's said that Mercury accesses all the grahas in order to find the > answers he's looking for. It's through the grace of Jupiter that > Mercury can access divine knowledge; it's through the grace of > Saturn that Mercury learns wisdom; it's through the grace of Venus > that Mercury learns the qualities of love and beauty... > > But what will he learn from these planets if they're weak or > afflicted. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 oops- I see that 4th also signifies mind (emotional state of mind), but common sense is a signification of 5th house, correct? jyotish-vidya, "Sean Patrick Kelly" <toosean> wrote: > > Now that makes sense! > > So, regarding house significations, the 5th would signify common > sense as this house signifies memory. And actually this is the only > house that signifies mind (both memory & intellect). This is so per > Parashara, correct? > > Take it easy, > Sean > > > jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@o...> > wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > Someone has asked me privately, "what planet governs common- sense". > > He related to me that many astrologers(?) attempted to answer this > > question and no-one actually had a definitive answer...it seems each > > astrologer ascribed this function to a different planet. > > > > I'm continually amazed by the poor grasp of the basics amongst > > today's astrologers. Knowledge of the basics is the first step! And, > > until that's understood completely, no one is ready for the next > > step... > > > > Two planets (only) are associated with mind: > > Moon governs common-sense whilst logic is governed by Mercury. But > > are they not the same thing my querist asked...the answer is NO! > > > > Common-sense is based on stored memory (Moon) whilst logic, a > > function of the intellect (Mercury), is what enables one to > > investigate, find answers, and learn new things. Once learned, these > > are then stored in the mind as memory. Common-sense is the simple > > process of accessing these stored memories and applying them to a > > given situation. > > > > It's said that Mercury accesses all the grahas in order to find the > > answers he's looking for. It's through the grace of Jupiter that > > Mercury can access divine knowledge; it's through the grace of > > Saturn that Mercury learns wisdom; it's through the grace of Venus > > that Mercury learns the qualities of love and beauty... > > > > But what will he learn from these planets if they're weak or > > afflicted. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > ______________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Mrs Wendy, I believe I have expressed myself incompletely. I was referring to a possible aspect or conjunction of Saturn on the Moon which in my opinion might enhance the common sense, but as I have also said if this Saturn is weak and a functional malefic then its aspect on the Moon would probably be bad for the mind of that person and would not help her/him with common sense. Regards, Rui. Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Rui-- You Wrote: *One cannot access common sense judging from one planet only, but I would say that Saturn is perhaps the planet that would "help a person's mind to have common sense".* Can you not see the contradiction in your statement... "would help the person's mind have common sense"? Is this not what I've said, i.e; common-sense is a quality of the mind. So where's your argument?? *but I would say that Saturn is perhaps the planet that would help a person's mind to have common sense* Did I not say that it's through the grace of Saturn the intellect learns wisdom and that this wisdom, stored in the MIND as memory, can be drawn upon. Of course wisdom is not always what we learn from Saturn - sometimes his nature is cruel. A cruel Saturn can give rise to very cruel leaders etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:59 AM Re: A lesson in common sense Rui-- You Wrote: *One cannot access common sense judging from one planet only, but I would say that Saturn is perhaps the planet that would help a person's mind to have common sense, but as you said what if Saturn is a very weak functional malefic in the chart? Would that Saturn still be good for common sense?* I have not put forward some hypothesis that needs to be debated! We're taught by the rishis (and myself by Maharishi) that Moon governs the mind (memory, common-sense etc), and that Mercury governs the intellect (learning etc). This is not MY idea but the teaching of the rishis! *in life nothing is forever and one can have a sound common sense during one period of his/her life and then suddenly all that common sense is gone and the opposite is also true - I have seen this happen to many people as they get older.* The physical heart also begins to fail when people get old -are we then to conclude that the physical heart is not governed by Sun? The significations of all grahas begin to deteriorate as old age approaches, this is a natural process. Not only does one's memory begin to fade but so too does one's libido (Venus); one's energy (Mars) etc.. Are we then to conclude that the significations of these planets should then be seen from other planets... I myself am becoming quite weary and really wish people would stop sending me these private mails...wanting me to discuss their queries but not wishing to be identified...it gets a bit out of hand, I'm afraid. So, please members, if you have a query, send it to the list and not to me personally...please! Thank You, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Astrology chart Vedic astrology Personal reading Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Dear Rui, Yes, you're correct! Aspects on Moon will certainly influence the qualities of the mind, for better or worse...this goes without saying, doesn't it?. I must switch off and go to bed now...getting tired and cranky, I'm afraid. It's been quite hot here today and that's exhausting... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "RPM" <rupamede <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, January 05, 2006 1:54 AM Re: A lesson in common sense Mrs Wendy, I believe I have expressed myself incompletely. I was referring to a possible aspect or conjunction of Saturn on the Moon which in my opinion might enhance the common sense, but as I have also said if this Saturn is weak and a functional malefic then its aspect on the Moon would probably be bad for the mind of that person and would not help her/him with common sense. Regards, Rui. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Dear Sean, Both 4th and 5th are associated with mind. 4th primarily the emotions (emotional mind) whilst 5th governs intelligence. No doubt, even if the significators for mind/intellect (and the karakas for these houses MO/JU) are strong, a native can experience some difficulties (during the appropriate periods) if these houses suffer any affliction. I personally am well aware of this with 5th lord (and 4th lord's dispositor) Venus conjunct 8th lord Sun (his bitter enemy) in 8th. This Venus is also Moon's dispositor. Without any doubt, periods of Venus can bring a lot of mental anguish...unreasonable paranoia would probably be the most fitting description. Venus PD began Dec 30 and continues until Jun 3... I think it's been pretty evident that things aren't as they should be. Thank goodness tomorrow is Friday and I can begin the Venus mantra - which should restore some sanity. This is the great blessing of jyotish; that we can do something to lessen the impact of a difficult period. As Rui said earlier, common-sense is not always there (all of the time). This is due to the fluctuating nature (waxing/waning) of the Moon. And, of course, we're all familiar with the effect of Sade-Sati when Moon suffers from the depressive influence of Saturn. This effect too is variable depending on Saturn's lordship etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Sean Patrick Kelly" <toosean <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, January 05, 2006 1:33 AM Re: A lesson in common sense Now that makes sense! So, regarding house significations, the 5th would signify common sense as this house signifies memory. And actually this is the only house that signifies mind (both memory & intellect). This is so per Parashara, correct? Take it easy, Sean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Synchronicity - it's amazing! Had it not been for that mail sent to me about the significator for common-sense I probably wouldn't have taken too much notice of my own pratyantar dasa and not been reminded that this is definitely the time for remedial action. As my dear old friend often would say; "God works in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform"...Indeed :-)) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, January 05, 2006 1:38 PM Re: Re: A lesson in common sense Dear Sean, Both 4th and 5th are associated with mind. 4th primarily the emotions (emotional mind) whilst 5th governs intelligence. No doubt, even if the significators for mind/intellect (and the karakas for these houses MO/JU) are strong, a native can experience some difficulties (during the appropriate periods) if these houses suffer any affliction. I personally am well aware of this with 5th lord (and 4th lord's dispositor) Venus conjunct 8th lord Sun (his bitter enemy) in 8th. This Venus is also Moon's dispositor. Without any doubt, periods of Venus can bring a lot of mental anguish...unreasonable paranoia would probably be the most fitting description. Venus PD began Dec 30 and continues until Jun 3... I think it's been pretty evident that things aren't as they should be. Thank goodness tomorrow is Friday and I can begin the Venus mantra - which should restore some sanity. This is the great blessing of jyotish; that we can do something to lessen the impact of a difficult period. As Rui said earlier, common-sense is not always there (all of the time). This is due to the fluctuating nature (waxing/waning) of the Moon. And, of course, we're all familiar with the effect of Sade-Sati when Moon suffers from the depressive influence of Saturn. This effect too is variable depending on Saturn's lordship etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Sean Patrick Kelly" <toosean <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, January 05, 2006 1:33 AM Re: A lesson in common sense Now that makes sense! So, regarding house significations, the 5th would signify common sense as this house signifies memory. And actually this is the only house that signifies mind (both memory & intellect). This is so per Parashara, correct? Take it easy, Sean Astrology chart Vedic astrology Personal reading -- a.. Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. b.. jyotish-vidya c.. Terms of Service. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Dear Rui I feel Saturn and Moon Relation will bring stubborness rather than common sense and if Mars and lagna is involved,it will add to it. But mars and moon combination gives logical mind. All the unblemished planets attribute to comman sense . A good 2nd house and lord, 5h/L and 10h/L attribute to comman sense in general and specifically to the area these planets manifest. Strong lagna itself make the native pro-active ,the main attribute to comman-sense. Moon in Duradhar yoga gives the native balance mind second attribute to comman-sense. All success stories begins with comman-sense ,Natal chart as a whole is involved with this word. I think so. Best Wishes Vijay Goel. - "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:50 PM Re: A lesson in common sense > Dear Rui, > > Yes, you're correct! Aspects on Moon will certainly influence the > qualities of the mind, for better or worse...this goes without > saying, doesn't it?. > > I must switch off and go to bed now...getting tired and cranky, I'm > afraid. It's been quite hot here today and that's exhausting... > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "RPM" <rupamede > <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, January 05, 2006 1:54 AM > Re: A lesson in common sense > > > Mrs Wendy, > I believe I have expressed myself incompletely. I was referring to > a possible aspect or conjunction of Saturn on the Moon which in my > opinion might enhance the common sense, but as I have also said if > this Saturn is weak and a functional malefic then its aspect on the > Moon would probably be bad for the mind of that person and would not > help her/him with common sense. > Regards, Rui. Links > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Dear Vijay, You Wrote: //I feel Saturn and Moon Relation will bring stubborness rather than common sense and if Mars and lagna is involved,it will add to it. But mars and moon combination gives logical mind.// Common-sense dictates that Saturn's lordship will be the decisive factor - one size definitely does not fit all! The favourable aspect between Moon and Mars bestows excellent physical and emotional strength - an unfavourable aspect makes one moody and quarrelsome. //All the unblemished planets attribute to comman sense .// This is true (only) in that unblemished planets contribute to the horoscope as a whole. However their relationship with Moon is an important consideration. //Moon in Duradhar yoga gives the native balance mind second attribute to comman-sense.// Certainly Moon isolated in a chart is not good for one's emotional well-being. However, common-sense must be exercised when ascertaining the results due to this (or any) yoga. Take a little time to think of the (possible) results of Moon in Leo, flanked by debilitated Mars in Cancer and debilitated Venus in Virgo...all yogas need careful scrutiny! I include here an extract from Ernst Wilhelm's book, "Core Yogas" DISRUPTIONS TO LUNAR YOGAS There are several conditions that hamper or disrupt the beneficial effects of these three important Lunar Yogas: 1. The effects of Anapha, Sunapha, and Durudhara Yogas are less if the Moon is weak by having less than 20 virupas of paksha bala. This occurs when the Moon is within a 60-degree orb of the Sun. In this event, the Moon has little light. The light of the Moon indicates the receptive ability of the Moon; when it is less the Moon gains less from the planets forming the Anapha, Sunapha or Durudhara Yoga. 2. The beneficial effects of these yogas are lessened and some difficulties crop in when the Moon is in conjunction with Rahu or Ketu. Rahu or Ketu hamper the natural receptive qualities of the Moon which then reduces the beneficial influences the planets in the 2nd or 12th from the Moon may have. Rahu is worse than Ketu and distorts the pure qualities of the planets in the 2nd and 12th from the Moon, while Ketu introverts the Moon, which makes it less receptive and less influenced by external factors. In fact, Ketu's union with the Moon indicates very strong past life conditioning that is influenced only very slightly by current experiences. 3. The beneficial effects of these yogas are also lessened and some difficulties crop in if Rahu is in the 12th from the Moon. Rahu has a slightly cloudy and disruptive influence on the rasi it has just passed through, which is the 2nd rasi from Rahu. Rahu is said to create smoke, this "smoke" hovers over the last rasi Rahu has crossed. When Rahu is in the 12th from the Moon, therefore, the qualities of any of the other planets that the Moon is receptive to are somewhat distorted, but to a much lesser degree than when the Moon is actually conjunct Rahu. 4. If a planet forming one of these yogas is combust, then that planet no longer purely influences the Moon. A combust planet becomes angry, and has a sense of failure. These tendencies will then influence the Moon and the mind will, therefore, be prone to anger, frustration and weakness relative to the combust planet. 5. If a planet forming one of these yogas is debilitated, then that planet will influence the Moon and, therefore, the mind, with stress relevant to the difficulties of the debilitated planet. A debilitated planet will actually serve to stress the native and scar their subconscious, the result being a weakness relevant to the planet rather than strength. Mars debilitated indicates that the native is weak in their ideas and, therefore, has trouble moving forward with their ideas. Mercury debilitated indicates that the native has not assimilated the information and knowledge indicated by Mercury in a way that can practically benefit them. Jupiter debilitated indicates that the native has only been conditioned by beliefs that do not serve to give them a sense of meaning or purpose. Venus debilitated indicates that the native has only been conditioned in a way that prevents them from recognizing the true worth or value of things and opportunities in life, thereby causing them to make decisions that prove wasteful of time, energy, money or which are emotionally draining. Saturn debilitated indicates that the native has suffered stress that has harmed their self-esteem and which does nothing, therefore, to strengthen them. Though the yoga effects of any yogas that the debilitated planet may be forming are empowered, the mind will suffer a greater amount of stress than if the debilitated planet was elsewhere. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 PS: In reference to the Sunapha, Anapha and Durudhura yogas, R. Santhanam clarifies, in his 'notes' (Saravali of Kalyana Varma), the importance of planets causing these yogas being without affliction. He makes it quite clear when he says that Anapha and Sunapha caused by a debilitated planet will only yield adverse results. He gives praise however to the participation of exalted planets. He makes special mention (Anapha yoga) of exalted Venus; Jupiter in Cancer, and Mercury in Virgo with Moon in Libra... Common-sense is based on the knowledge we've gained. How can we apply our common-sense to jyotish if we have little (or no) knowledge of it. How can we apply our common-sense to the rules of nuclear physics if we have no knowledge of these rules?? Now, opinions are a different matter entirely...anyone can have an opinion! _______________________________ - "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish <jyotish-vidya> Friday, January 06, 2006 4:36 PM Re: A lesson in common sense Dear Vijay, You Wrote: //I feel Saturn and Moon Relation will bring stubborness rather than common sense and if Mars and lagna is involved,it will add to it. But mars and moon combination gives logical mind.// Common-sense dictates that Saturn's lordship will be the decisive factor - one size definitely does not fit all! The favourable aspect between Moon and Mars bestows excellent physical and emotional strength - an unfavourable aspect makes one moody and quarrelsome. //All the unblemished planets attribute to comman sense .// This is true (only) in that unblemished planets contribute to the horoscope as a whole. However their relationship with Moon is an important consideration. //Moon in Duradhar yoga gives the native balance mind second attribute to comman-sense.// Certainly Moon isolated in a chart is not good for one's emotional well-being. However, common-sense must be exercised when ascertaining the results due to this (or any) yoga. Take a little time to think of the (possible) results of Moon in Leo, flanked by debilitated Mars in Cancer and debilitated Venus in Virgo...all yogas need careful scrutiny! Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Dear friends, If I am allowed to add a line here, that any yoga which is to be fructified and deliver its result, the Lagna Lord should be in strength. Even if the yoga making planets are strong enough but the Lagna Lord is not in required strength, the so called yogas are not delivering their expected results. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@o...> wrote: > > Dear Vijay, > > You Wrote: > //I feel Saturn and Moon Relation will bring stubborness rather than > common sense and if Mars and lagna is involved,it will add to it. > But mars and moon combination gives logical mind.// > > Common-sense dictates that Saturn's lordship will be the decisive > factor - one size definitely does not fit all! The favourable aspect > between Moon and Mars bestows excellent physical and emotional > strength - an unfavourable aspect makes one moody and quarrelsome. > > //All the unblemished planets attribute to comman sense .// > > This is true (only) in that unblemished planets contribute to the > horoscope as a whole. However their relationship with Moon is an > important consideration. > > //Moon in Duradhar yoga gives the native balance mind second > attribute to comman-sense.// > > Certainly Moon isolated in a chart is not good for one's emotional > well-being. However, common-sense must be exercised when > ascertaining the results due to this (or any) yoga. Take a little > time to think of the (possible) results of Moon in Leo, flanked by > debilitated Mars in Cancer and debilitated Venus in Virgo...all > yogas need careful scrutiny! > > I include here an extract from Ernst Wilhelm's book, "Core Yogas" > > DISRUPTIONS TO LUNAR YOGAS > There are several conditions that hamper or disrupt the beneficial > effects of these three important Lunar Yogas: > > 1. The effects of Anapha, Sunapha, and Durudhara Yogas are less if > the Moon is weak by having less than 20 virupas of paksha bala. > This occurs when the Moon is within a 60-degree orb of the Sun. > In this event, the Moon has little light. The light of the Moon > indicates the receptive ability of the Moon; when it is less the > Moon gains less from the planets forming the Anapha, Sunapha > or Durudhara Yoga. > > 2. The beneficial effects of these yogas are lessened and some > difficulties crop in when the Moon is in conjunction with Rahu > or Ketu. Rahu or Ketu hamper the natural receptive qualities of > the Moon which then reduces the beneficial influences the > planets in the 2nd or 12th from the Moon may have. Rahu is worse > than Ketu and distorts the pure qualities of the planets in the 2nd > and 12th from the Moon, while Ketu introverts the Moon, which > makes it less receptive and less influenced by external factors. In > fact, Ketu's union with the Moon indicates very strong past life > conditioning that is influenced only very slightly by current > experiences. > > 3. The beneficial effects of these yogas are also lessened and some > difficulties crop in if Rahu is in the 12th from the Moon. Rahu has > a slightly cloudy and disruptive influence on the rasi it has just > passed through, which is the 2nd rasi from Rahu. Rahu is said to > create smoke, this "smoke" hovers over the last rasi Rahu has > crossed. When Rahu is in the 12th from the Moon, therefore, the > qualities of any of the other planets that the Moon is receptive to > are somewhat distorted, but to a much lesser degree than when > the Moon is actually conjunct Rahu. > > 4. If a planet forming one of these yogas is combust, then that > planet no longer purely influences the Moon. A combust planet > becomes angry, and has a sense of failure. These tendencies will > then influence the Moon and the mind will, therefore, be prone > to anger, frustration and weakness relative to the combust planet. > > 5. If a planet forming one of these yogas is debilitated, then that > planet will influence the Moon and, therefore, the mind, with > stress relevant to the difficulties of the debilitated planet. A > debilitated planet will actually serve to stress the native and scar > their subconscious, the result being a weakness relevant to the > planet rather than strength. Mars debilitated indicates that the > native is weak in their ideas and, therefore, has trouble moving > forward with their ideas. Mercury debilitated indicates that the > native has not assimilated the information and knowledge > indicated by Mercury in a way that can practically benefit them. > Jupiter debilitated indicates that the native has only been > conditioned by beliefs that do not serve to give them a sense of > meaning or purpose. Venus debilitated indicates that the native > has only been conditioned in a way that prevents them from > recognizing the true worth or value of things and opportunities in > life, thereby causing them to make decisions that prove wasteful > of time, energy, money or which are emotionally draining. Saturn > debilitated indicates that the native has suffered stress that has > harmed their self-esteem and which does nothing, therefore, to > strengthen them. Though the yoga effects of any yogas that the > debilitated planet may be forming are empowered, the mind will > suffer a greater amount of stress than if the debilitated planet was > elsewhere. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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