Guest guest Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 Dear Wendy, In your horoscope, the fifth is occupied by Mars, karaka for surgery. The fifth Lord Venus is in 8th , the house of surgery; in square to Mars. The fifth is for stomach. What is the impact of such a combination ? Regards JK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Dear JK, Yes indeed you're correct. Surgical operations have played a big part in my life. However the aspect of Mars on VE/SU in 8th (which also indicates surgery) have suffered most from his influence...for myself personally! Venus moolatrikona sign (Libra) governs abdomen, belly, bladder, large intestine, buttocks etc; whilst Venus himself governs kidneys and so forth, as does Leo who also governs the physical heart. Needless to say these are the areas that have come under the surgeons knife... But let's look at the impact Mars in 5th (aspecting 5th lord in 8th house of accidents) has had on children. Early eighties(?) saw the eldest son in hospital/rehab for 18 months following an horrific motor vehicle accident; and earlier this year(?) the younger son had an accident on his motorbike, resulting in a broken collarbone. Yesterday he was involved in another accident whilst riding his bike and is in hospital now with more broken bones (including his other collarbone). So we see clearly the effect of Mars according to his governance of accidents and surgery. And certainly there's no denying his war-like nature resulting (often) in conflict with the boys. But the conflict rises and dissipates whilst the love of children (exalted Jupiter) remains always...this is the strongest feature as my children are exalted in my chart and in my heart...conflicts come and go but that remains :-)) A little word whilst I'm here regarding the upagrahas (Gulika particularly) if I may. Everyone has Gulika somewhere in their chart and everyone finds obstructions in some area of life...this applies also to malefic lords; but they (primarily) represent obstructions and don't supersede the results due to the major planets. You might look at the chart of Ammachi who has Gulika in 5th...certainly she has been denied progeny but the significations of 5th (mantras, spiritual practices etc) have not suffered nor been denied. Bhagwan Rajneesh (Osho) had Gulika in 9th; Mahatma Gandhi had Gulika in lagna conjunct lagna lord etc, etc.. You might like to study these charts. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "raziya sultana" <jyotishkid <jyotish-vidya> Monday, December 19, 2005 11:06 AM Disease, some questions Dear Wendy, In your horoscope, the fifth is occupied by Mars, karaka for surgery. The fifth Lord Venus is in 8th , the house of surgery; in square to Mars. The fifth is for stomach. What is the impact of such a combination ? Regards JK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Correction-- >>Venus himself governs kidneys and so forth, as does Leo who also >>governs the physical heart.<< ....that should read "as does Leo (Sun also governs the physical heart)". Trying to get done in a hurry here (and prone to mistakes) with my computer giving endless hassles...don't know how long I'm going to be able to stay online, I'm afraid. Have been trying to sort it out for days and have finally come to the conclusion that the DSL unit itself must be faulty? Keep losing my connection, and my mouse goes berserk (everything corrects after a reboot). My server is not having any problems so I figure it must be the DSL itself that's playing up - who knows?? Darn computers - they drive you crazy :-( ______________________________ Dear JK, Yes indeed you're correct. Surgical operations have played a big part in my life. However the aspect of Mars on VE/SU in 8th (which also indicates surgery) have suffered most from his influence...for myself personally! Venus moolatrikona sign (Libra) governs abdomen, belly, bladder, large intestine, buttocks etc; whilst Venus himself governs kidneys and so forth, as does Leo who also governs the physical heart. Needless to say these are the areas that have come under the surgeons knife... But let's look at the impact Mars in 5th (aspecting 5th lord in 8th house of accidents) has had on children. Early eighties(?) saw the eldest son in hospital/rehab for 18 months following an horrific motor vehicle accident; and earlier this year(?) the younger son had an accident on his motorbike, resulting in a broken collarbone. Yesterday he was involved in another accident whilst riding his bike and is in hospital now with more broken bones (including his other collarbone). So we see clearly the effect of Mars according to his governance of accidents and surgery. And certainly there's no denying his war-like nature resulting (often) in conflict with the boys. But the conflict rises and dissipates whilst the love of children (exalted Jupiter) remains always...this is the strongest feature as my children are exalted in my chart and in my heart...conflicts come and go but that remains :-)) A little word whilst I'm here regarding the upagrahas (Gulika particularly) if I may. Everyone has Gulika somewhere in their chart and everyone finds obstructions in some area of life...this applies also to malefic lords; but they (primarily) represent obstructions and don't supersede the results due to the major planets. You might look at the chart of Ammachi who has Gulika in 5th...certainly she has been denied progeny but the significations of 5th (mantras, spiritual practices etc) have not suffered nor been denied. Bhagwan Rajneesh (Osho) had Gulika in 9th; Mahatma Gandhi had Gulika in lagna conjunct lagna lord etc, etc.. You might like to study these charts. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "raziya sultana" <jyotishkid <jyotish-vidya> Monday, December 19, 2005 11:06 AM Disease, some questions Dear Wendy, In your horoscope, the fifth is occupied by Mars, karaka for surgery. The fifth Lord Venus is in 8th , the house of surgery; in square to Mars. The fifth is for stomach. What is the impact of such a combination ? Regards JK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Dear Wendy, Many Thanks for your kind reply. In your experience, do you find Gulika's presence in the fifth a detrimental factor for obtaining progeny ? Regards JK Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Correction-- >>Venus himself governs kidneys and so forth, as does Leo who also >>governs the physical heart.<< ....that should read "as does Leo (Sun also governs the physical heart)". Trying to get done in a hurry here (and prone to mistakes) with my computer giving endless hassles...don't know how long I'm going to be able to stay online, I'm afraid. Have been trying to sort it out for days and have finally come to the conclusion that the DSL unit itself must be faulty? Keep losing my connection, and my mouse goes berserk (everything corrects after a reboot). My server is not having any problems so I figure it must be the DSL itself that's playing up - who knows?? Darn computers - they drive you crazy :-( ______________________________ Dear JK, Yes indeed you're correct. Surgical operations have played a big part in my life. However the aspect of Mars on VE/SU in 8th (which also indicates surgery) have suffered most from his influence...for myself personally! Venus moolatrikona sign (Libra) governs abdomen, belly, bladder, large intestine, buttocks etc; whilst Venus himself governs kidneys and so forth, as does Leo who also governs the physical heart. Needless to say these are the areas that have come under the surgeons knife... But let's look at the impact Mars in 5th (aspecting 5th lord in 8th house of accidents) has had on children. Early eighties(?) saw the eldest son in hospital/rehab for 18 months following an horrific motor vehicle accident; and earlier this year(?) the younger son had an accident on his motorbike, resulting in a broken collarbone. Yesterday he was involved in another accident whilst riding his bike and is in hospital now with more broken bones (including his other collarbone). So we see clearly the effect of Mars according to his governance of accidents and surgery. And certainly there's no denying his war-like nature resulting (often) in conflict with the boys. But the conflict rises and dissipates whilst the love of children (exalted Jupiter) remains always...this is the strongest feature as my children are exalted in my chart and in my heart...conflicts come and go but that remains :-)) A little word whilst I'm here regarding the upagrahas (Gulika particularly) if I may. Everyone has Gulika somewhere in their chart and everyone finds obstructions in some area of life...this applies also to malefic lords; but they (primarily) represent obstructions and don't supersede the results due to the major planets. You might look at the chart of Ammachi who has Gulika in 5th...certainly she has been denied progeny but the significations of 5th (mantras, spiritual practices etc) have not suffered nor been denied. Bhagwan Rajneesh (Osho) had Gulika in 9th; Mahatma Gandhi had Gulika in lagna conjunct lagna lord etc, etc.. You might like to study these charts. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "raziya sultana" <jyotishkid <jyotish-vidya> Monday, December 19, 2005 11:06 AM Disease, some questions Dear Wendy, In your horoscope, the fifth is occupied by Mars, karaka for surgery. The fifth Lord Venus is in 8th , the house of surgery; in square to Mars. The fifth is for stomach. What is the impact of such a combination ? Regards JK Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Dear JK, Truthfully I, like most astrologers, rarely consider the upagrahas when delineating a horoscope, so I can't really give you an answer based on personal experience. However, Parashara gives us a guideline for the effects of Gulika etc. in various houses. In 5th it's said that the native will not be praiseworthy, be poor, short-lived, spiteful and mean. In the notes (BPHS) we're told that the native's virility or progenic ability will be significantly affected by Gulika occupying the house of progeny... However, as I said in an earlier mail, the effects due to the upagrahas will be determined by their dispositor. In Ammachi's chart (for instance) 5th lord, exalted in lagna, is aspected by Jupiter in 9th. Children signifies all children (including disciples), and, as we know, Ammachi has many disciples. We also know that she is the perfect embodiment of "motherhood", known for her great compassion etc.. The point is that the guidelines (given by the sages) for the position of any upagraha or indeed any major planet, are just that...a guideline! One has to judge the chart as a whole. They say; 'no man is an island', likewise, 'no bhava is an island'...each is influenced by many factors! Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com Please send queries to the group- Not to me personally. ______________________________ - "raziya sultana" <jyotishkid <jyotish-vidya> Monday, December 19, 2005 8:44 PM Re: Disease, some questions Dear Wendy, Many Thanks for your kind reply. In your experience, do you find Gulika's presence in the fifth a detrimental factor for obtaining progeny ? Regards JK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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