Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Dear All, I feel that formal education as in terms of schooling (graduation/postgraduation per say) is signified by the 5th house and its lord, where as spiritual initiation and education is signified by the 9th lord. The planets for spiritual education are guru as well as saturn. Also I have seen quite a few horoscopes with Sun and mercury in the 11th ( 7th aspect on the 5th)giving education in the pure science subjects like - physics or Chemistry. Please let me know your views as well. I new of a spiritual lady -kalavati devi from Karnataka region of Belgaum who had a very strong Sani in the 9th. ( Unfortunately I donot have the horoscope as I am away from my house presently) She left her house at a young age,after marriage and kids and became a desciple of Sidharudh maharaj of Hubli. Best Regards Nilesh --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear All, With the list relatively quiet at the moment and a little free time up my sleeve I made a quick visit to some of the groups I to and found a rather interesting discussion regarding the significator for teachers which I thought was worth commenting on. Someone said that Guru is signified by Jupiter as well as the 9th lord...and the response was thus: "It is traditional, it is literal (guru means teacher in sanskrit) but is it always true in modern experience?" As I'm sure we know, Guru does indeed signify Guru/teacher. However, according to what I've been taught, there are two houses that deal specifically with education. 9th shows higher education (religious learning and so forth) as well as guru, (preceptor, teacher, mentor etc). 2nd house shows general or (perhaps) primary education as well as educators (teachers) in general. Obviously then we'd consider both Guru/Jupiter (the planet of education/knowledge) and 2nd house for teachers in general, whilst Guru and 9th house would be considered for higher teachers such as Guru and so forth. If members have other thoughts on this I'd be happy to hear them... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. ________ India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Dear nileshbhai, many thanks about this Guru - if u think u are happy to investigate than I can give a birth details provided if u have time than please let me know - as u mentioned that u are away from house - since yr id says BST +1.00 hour - does that mean u are in Europe or UK. if u wish to let me have the details than please do so. Om shanti. pdh nilesh joshi <niljoshi27 wrote: Dear All, I feel that formal education as in terms of schooling (graduation/postgraduation per say) is signified by the 5th house and its lord, where as spiritual initiation and education is signified by the 9th lord. The planets for spiritual education are guru as well as saturn. Also I have seen quite a few horoscopes with Sun and mercury in the 11th ( 7th aspect on the 5th)giving education in the pure science subjects like - physics or Chemistry. Please let me know your views as well. I new of a spiritual lady -kalavati devi from Karnataka region of Belgaum who had a very strong Sani in the 9th. ( Unfortunately I donot have the horoscope as I am away from my house presently) She left her house at a young age,after marriage and kids and became a desciple of Sidharudh maharaj of Hubli. Best Regards Nilesh --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear All, With the list relatively quiet at the moment and a little free time up my sleeve I made a quick visit to some of the groups I to and found a rather interesting discussion regarding the significator for teachers which I thought was worth commenting on. Someone said that Guru is signified by Jupiter as well as the 9th lord...and the response was thus: "It is traditional, it is literal (guru means teacher in sanskrit) but is it always true in modern experience?" As I'm sure we know, Guru does indeed signify Guru/teacher. However, according to what I've been taught, there are two houses that deal specifically with education. 9th shows higher education (religious learning and so forth) as well as guru, (preceptor, teacher, mentor etc). 2nd house shows general or (perhaps) primary education as well as educators (teachers) in general. Obviously then we'd consider both Guru/Jupiter (the planet of education/knowledge) and 2nd house for teachers in general, whilst Guru and 9th house would be considered for higher teachers such as Guru and so forth. If members have other thoughts on this I'd be happy to hear them... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. ________ India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://.shaadi.com Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Dear Nilesh, Certainly you're correct that 5th house governs intellect (intelligence), learning, books etc., whilst 4th house is also connected with education, showing one's ability to obtain a degree...and so forth. However, two things are common to 2nd and 9th in that they embody oral transmission of knowledge (via a teacher)... Traditional knowledge is (generally) passed down from Guru to disciple, as too formal education is passed down to students via teachers...is this not so? As far as placement of SU/ME in 11th signifying education in sciences, one would need to look at the chart proper before drawing a conclusion. As an example, I have a family member with this placement who is poorly educated (although very successful in other ways). Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "nilesh joshi" <niljoshi27 <jyotish-vidya> Friday, September 23, 2005 5:41 PM Re: Guru/Teacher Dear All, I feel that formal education as in terms of schooling (graduation/postgraduation per say) is signified by the 5th house and its lord, where as spiritual initiation and education is signified by the 9th lord. The planets for spiritual education are guru as well as saturn. Also I have seen quite a few horoscopes with Sun and mercury in the 11th ( 7th aspect on the 5th)giving education in the pure science subjects like - physics or Chemistry. Please let me know your views as well. I new of a spiritual lady -kalavati devi from Karnataka region of Belgaum who had a very strong Sani in the 9th. ( Unfortunately I donot have the horoscope as I am away from my house presently) She left her house at a young age,after marriage and kids and became a desciple of Sidharudh maharaj of Hubli. Best Regards Nilesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Dear friends, The term "Guru" is very loosely used these days in general and in Internet jyotish groups in particular. The person who imparts knowledge is known as teacher. A father imparting his knowledge to his progeny becomes teacher, rather the first teacher. He first spells the Gayatri in the ear of his progeny - hence becomes the teacher. In other cases of Hindu Society, What is the knowledge of a father, he could even be a carpenter or even be a barber or be a butcher. Here comes the 9th house. (9th house is father - my intention is not to create another controversy here). Further,the knowledge or the education ( call it in any name ) starts from one's immediate family. Hence the 2nd house should be considered for learning. Those who come from the family becomes the teacher. At the ripe age, a persons pursuing higher knowledge.... in the real sense of knowledge... then comes the significator Jupiter who signifies the knowledge and wisdom.....the possible logic would be that he owns the 9th house and the 12th house in the natural zodiac which represent the real sense of knowledge and the "known" attains the final emancipation..... the 12th house. Members may have different opionions.... this is my understanding.... Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. PS: Just posted my thougts.... leaving the workplace..... thanks ....the questions raised in the message has to be considered carefully so far as the modern education is concerned.... =========== jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@o...> wrote: > Dear All, > > With the list relatively quiet at the moment and a little free time > up my sleeve I made a quick visit to some of the groups I > to and found a rather interesting discussion regarding the > significator for teachers which I thought was worth commenting on. > Someone said that Guru is signified by Jupiter as well as the 9th > lord...and the response was thus: "It is traditional, it is literal > (guru means teacher in sanskrit) but is it always true in modern > experience?" > > As I'm sure we know, Guru does indeed signify Guru/teacher. However, > according to what I've been taught, there are two houses that deal > specifically with education. > 9th shows higher education (religious learning and so forth) as well > as guru, (preceptor, teacher, mentor etc). > 2nd house shows general or (perhaps) primary education as well as > educators (teachers) in general. > > Obviously then we'd consider both Guru/Jupiter (the planet of > education/knowledge) and 2nd house for teachers in general, whilst > Guru and 9th house would be considered for higher teachers such as > Guru and so forth. > > If members have other thoughts on this I'd be happy to hear them... > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Dear Wendy, Regarding planets in the 11th - I will send you the details about the chart tomorrow or latest on Monday as I have it at my home here in Germany.It is of my brother who is a PHd in paint and resin technology and has done his bachleor and Masters in Chemistry.Will try and get a friends chart details who has a similar configuration and has done his masters in Chemistry before doing his MBA. You are very right in mentioning about 2nd ,9th connection which I used to overlook earlier. Best Regards Nilesh --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Nilesh, Certainly you're correct that 5th house governs intellect (intelligence), learning, books etc., whilst 4th house is also connected with education, showing one's ability to obtain a degree...and so forth. However, two things are common to 2nd and 9th in that they embody oral transmission of knowledge (via a teacher)... Traditional knowledge is (generally) passed down from Guru to disciple, as too formal education is passed down to students via teachers...is this not so? As far as placement of SU/ME in 11th signifying education in sciences, one would need to look at the chart proper before drawing a conclusion. As an example, I have a family member with this placement who is poorly educated (although very successful in other ways). Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "nilesh joshi" <niljoshi27 <jyotish-vidya> Friday, September 23, 2005 5:41 PM Re: Guru/Teacher Dear All, I feel that formal education as in terms of schooling (graduation/postgraduation per say) is signified by the 5th house and its lord, where as spiritual initiation and education is signified by the 9th lord. The planets for spiritual education are guru as well as saturn. Also I have seen quite a few horoscopes with Sun and mercury in the 11th ( 7th aspect on the 5th)giving education in the pure science subjects like - physics or Chemistry. Please let me know your views as well. I new of a spiritual lady -kalavati devi from Karnataka region of Belgaum who had a very strong Sani in the 9th. ( Unfortunately I donot have the horoscope as I am away from my house presently) She left her house at a young age,after marriage and kids and became a desciple of Sidharudh maharaj of Hubli. Best Regards Nilesh Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. ________ India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Dear Nilesh, You Wrote: >>where as spiritual initiation and education is signified by the >>9th lord.<< I was taught that initiation (initiatory instruction) is seen from 3rd house...See flyer at: jyotish-vidyaKarakatwas.JPG Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Dear pdk kotak, Yes you are right I am in Europe, Duesseldorf to be precise. You can send the chart. Dear Wendyji and others, While I was writing this the thought came to my mind to write about the following, I am Virgo lagna and the fact that Jupiter with ketu (presently in Lagna and aspecting the 7th)has thrown me away from family since Jan 05(7th lord placed in 3rd house).Though I amd my wife had decided that I will not be going out of India for long term, ended up taking this project (my wife and daugter were here for a couple of months from March). I will be going back to India Oct End though the earlier plans were to go back in Dec and the coincidentally my family will join me again from India in the 1st week Oct till mid Oct - I feel like attributing this fact to the separation of ketu from Jupiter end Sept and jupiter going to 2nd house(of family) that they will be coming all the way from India for 10days even though I will be joining them back by end of Oct. Nilesh --- pdk kotak <ganeshji101 wrote: Dear nileshbhai, many thanks about this Guru - if u think u are happy to investigate than I can give a birth details provided if u have time than please let me know - as u mentioned that u are away from house - since yr id says BST +1.00 hour - does that mean u are in Europe or UK. if u wish to let me have the details than please do so. Om shanti. pdh nilesh joshi <niljoshi27 wrote: Dear All, I feel that formal education as in terms of schooling (graduation/postgraduation per say) is signified by the 5th house and its lord, where as spiritual initiation and education is signified by the 9th lord. The planets for spiritual education are guru as well as saturn. Also I have seen quite a few horoscopes with Sun and mercury in the 11th ( 7th aspect on the 5th)giving education in the pure science subjects like - physics or Chemistry. Please let me know your views as well. I new of a spiritual lady -kalavati devi from Karnataka region of Belgaum who had a very strong Sani in the 9th. ( Unfortunately I donot have the horoscope as I am away from my house presently) She left her house at a young age,after marriage and kids and became a desciple of Sidharudh maharaj of Hubli. Best Regards Nilesh --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear All, With the list relatively quiet at the moment and a little free time up my sleeve I made a quick visit to some of the groups I to and found a rather interesting discussion regarding the significator for teachers which I thought was worth commenting on. Someone said that Guru is signified by Jupiter as well as the 9th lord...and the response was thus: "It is traditional, it is literal (guru means teacher in sanskrit) but is it always true in modern experience?" As I'm sure we know, Guru does indeed signify Guru/teacher. However, according to what I've been taught, there are two houses that deal specifically with education. 9th shows higher education (religious learning and so forth) as well as guru, (preceptor, teacher, mentor etc). 2nd house shows general or (perhaps) primary education as well as educators (teachers) in general. Obviously then we'd consider both Guru/Jupiter (the planet of education/knowledge) and 2nd house for teachers in general, whilst Guru and 9th house would be considered for higher teachers such as Guru and so forth. If members have other thoughts on this I'd be happy to hear them... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. ________ India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://.shaadi.com Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. ________ India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Dear Wendyji, You are right that 3rd house is the house of initiatives. Actually I learnt the basics of astrology from my maternal uncle who used to attribute 9th of spiritual initiation - may be 3rd being the house opposite to 9th. By the way I have jupiter (atmakaraka) and mercury (amatya karaka)in 3rd and saturn in 9th.Donot know whether my prayers for becoming a more spiritual person be answered. I do not want any predictions presently,however just to give my details DOB:27/12/71 TOB:12.30 am Place of B : Bombay,India Lagna - Virgo Rashi - Aries , moon having a papakartari yoga in 8th. Warm Regards Nilesh --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Nilesh, You Wrote: >>where as spiritual initiation and education is signified by the >>9th lord.<< I was taught that initiation (initiatory instruction) is seen from 3rd house...See flyer at: jyotish-vidyaKarakatwas.JPG Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. ________ India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Dear Nilesh, Thank you for sharing that...I too will be relieved when Jupiter escapes the clutches of Ketu :-)) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "nilesh joshi" <niljoshi27 <jyotish-vidya> Friday, September 23, 2005 8:37 PM Re: Guru/Teacher Dear Wendyji and others, While I was writing this the thought came to my mind to write about the following, I am Virgo lagna and the fact that Jupiter with ketu (presently in Lagna and aspecting the 7th)has thrown me away from family since Jan 05(7th lord placed in 3rd house).Though I amd my wife had decided that I will not be going out of India for long term, ended up taking this project (my wife and daugter were here for a couple of months from March). I will be going back to India Oct End though the earlier plans were to go back in Dec and the coincidentally my family will join me again from India in the 1st week Oct till mid Oct - I feel like attributing this fact to the separation of ketu from Jupiter end Sept and jupiter going to 2nd house(of family) that they will be coming all the way from India for 10days even though I will be joining them back by end of Oct. Nilesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Dear Nilesh, Initiatives certainly... But intiatory instruction (initiation) was what I was referring to specifically :-) Thank you for your birth details. I hope to take more than the cursory glance (I've just had) later on if possible, after my visitors leave. I do enjoy looking at the charts of our regular members...such a wealth of knowledge. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "nilesh joshi" <niljoshi27 <jyotish-vidya> Friday, September 23, 2005 8:47 PM Re: Guru/Teacher Dear Wendyji, You are right that 3rd house is the house of initiatives. Actually I learnt the basics of astrology from my maternal uncle who used to attribute 9th of spiritual initiation - may be 3rd being the house opposite to 9th. By the way I have jupiter (atmakaraka) and mercury (amatya karaka)in 3rd and saturn in 9th.Donot know whether my prayers for becoming a more spiritual person be answered. I do not want any predictions presently,however just to give my details DOB:27/12/71 TOB:12.30 am Place of B : Bombay,India Lagna - Virgo Rashi - Aries , moon having a papakartari yoga in 8th. Warm Regards Nilesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 PS: I might just add a little here (quickly) whilst I try to ignore some irritable glances (because I'm still at the computer). Perhaps we could say that initiation is akin to the union that takes place during a marriage ceremony. In much the same way we're united with our Guru (7th from 3rd) during the initiation puja... ___________________________ Dear Nilesh, Initiatives certainly... But intiatory instruction (initiation) was what I was referring to specifically :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Dear Wendyji, Ya,7th from 3rd gives more meaning now than just the 7th aspect which I reffered to. Best Regards Nilesh --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: PS: I might just add a little here (quickly) whilst I try to ignore some irritable glances (because I'm still at the computer). Perhaps we could say that initiation is akin to the union that takes place during a marriage ceremony. In much the same way we're united with our Guru (7th from 3rd) during the initiation puja... ___________________________ Dear Nilesh, Initiatives certainly... But intiatory instruction (initiation) was what I was referring to specifically :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. ________ India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://.shaadi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Nileshbhai, many thanks for yr reply - I am pleased to learn that u are not far from London - 2ndly u are from Bombay and so am i, (Malad -E) details are as follows: DOB 18 - 8 - 1931 == POB Karachi (india now in Pakistan) TOB 08-00am Lagna Leo(5) with Surya -Budha with Neptune 2nd house : ketu with mars 3rd House Moon ( degree 0) hence some people consider that as in Virgo as well , 4 house nil 5th House Saturn == 6/7 th nil - 8th House Rahu with UR 9/10 house nil 11 th house pluto 12 th house with Guru and Venus. if u need any further information please let me know if u ever intend to visit London please let me know . regards pdk nilesh joshi <niljoshi27 wrote: Dear pdk kotak, Yes you are right I am in Europe, Duesseldorf to be precise. You can send the chart. Dear Wendyji and others, While I was writing this the thought came to my mind to write about the following, I am Virgo lagna and the fact that Jupiter with ketu (presently in Lagna and aspecting the 7th)has thrown me away from family since Jan 05(7th lord placed in 3rd house).Though I amd my wife had decided that I will not be going out of India for long term, ended up taking this project (my wife and daugter were here for a couple of months from March). I will be going back to India Oct End though the earlier plans were to go back in Dec and the coincidentally my family will join me again from India in the 1st week Oct till mid Oct - I feel like attributing this fact to the separation of ketu from Jupiter end Sept and jupiter going to 2nd house(of family) that they will be coming all the way from India for 10days even though I will be joining them back by end of Oct. Nilesh --- pdk kotak <ganeshji101 wrote: Dear nileshbhai, many thanks about this Guru - if u think u are happy to investigate than I can give a birth details provided if u have time than please let me know - as u mentioned that u are away from house - since yr id says BST +1.00 hour - does that mean u are in Europe or UK. if u wish to let me have the details than please do so. Om shanti. pdh nilesh joshi <niljoshi27 wrote: Dear All, I feel that formal education as in terms of schooling (graduation/postgraduation per say) is signified by the 5th house and its lord, where as spiritual initiation and education is signified by the 9th lord. The planets for spiritual education are guru as well as saturn. Also I have seen quite a few horoscopes with Sun and mercury in the 11th ( 7th aspect on the 5th)giving education in the pure science subjects like - physics or Chemistry. Please let me know your views as well. I new of a spiritual lady -kalavati devi from Karnataka region of Belgaum who had a very strong Sani in the 9th. ( Unfortunately I donot have the horoscope as I am away from my house presently) She left her house at a young age,after marriage and kids and became a desciple of Sidharudh maharaj of Hubli. Best Regards Nilesh --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear All, With the list relatively quiet at the moment and a little free time up my sleeve I made a quick visit to some of the groups I to and found a rather interesting discussion regarding the significator for teachers which I thought was worth commenting on. Someone said that Guru is signified by Jupiter as well as the 9th lord...and the response was thus: "It is traditional, it is literal (guru means teacher in sanskrit) but is it always true in modern experience?" As I'm sure we know, Guru does indeed signify Guru/teacher. However, according to what I've been taught, there are two houses that deal specifically with education. 9th shows higher education (religious learning and so forth) as well as guru, (preceptor, teacher, mentor etc). 2nd house shows general or (perhaps) primary education as well as educators (teachers) in general. Obviously then we'd consider both Guru/Jupiter (the planet of education/knowledge) and 2nd house for teachers in general, whilst Guru and 9th house would be considered for higher teachers such as Guru and so forth. If members have other thoughts on this I'd be happy to hear them... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. ________ India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://.shaadi.com Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. ________ India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://.shaadi.com Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Photos. Get Photos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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