More on temporal relationships-Nilesh and all

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Dear Nilesh and all...

 

I have been told that the planets in the neighboring three houses on

each side are friends because they are all living and supporting

each other in the same neighborhood.

 

I also read somewhere in a Parashara interpretation a while back

that this model of temporal relationships (Tatkälika sambandha) can

be looked at in relation to the fact that planets, like people, want

to be in the highest state, like Abhijit muhurta, at the top of

their game, i.e., at the top of the chart. If we look at all the

planets in this position in the 10th house, planets in the 5th and

9th houses away are in darkness, the 5th being in the 2nd house

(before sunrise) and the 9th being in the 6th house (after sunset).

Therefore, planets in the 5th and 9th houses away may contribute to

the planet's downfall, because they are so far away from the

limelight at the top.

 

In this same scheme, planets in the same house are enemies because

no king wants to share his throne with another king. Planets in the

7th house are enemies because they represent midnight, if we imagine

the planet in question to be at the midheaven/Abhijit muhurta.

 

But it is still somewhat confusing, I agree, why the 5/9

relationship is auspicious if the planets are temporal enemies. I

think we have to remember that the temporal relationships are of

secondary importance to the aspects.

 

Thanks,

Juliana

 

 

jyotish-vidya, nilesh joshi <niljoshi27>

wrote:

> Dear Mrs Wendy and other respected members,

>

> Why is the mutual position of planets in 5th and 9th

> from each other considered auspicious when actually

> the said planets will gain temporary enmity.

>

> Our family astrologers always referred to this yoga as

> nava -pacham ( meaning 9 th and 5th ) and judged that

> it bestowed the native with luck and wealth.

> Planets like Sun and the moon, jupiter and

> mars,jupiter and moon, Saturn and Venus in such nava

> -pacham combination was always considered lucky.

>

> Best Regards

>

>

> Nilesh

>

>

>

> --- Wendy Vasicek <wenvas@j...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Juliana,

>

> You've posed a very interesting question here. I will

> give my

> interpretation which others may, or may not agree

> with... their

> views are also welcome of course :-)

>

> I have the chart of a native who has 10th lord Moon in

> 4th in sign

> of Capricorn whilst dispositor Saturn occupies 3rd

> (12th from Moon).

> If we look at the bhavas in light of both their

> personal (people)

> significations and impersonal significations two

> things are evident

> in this chart.

>

> 1) 10th lord's dispositor, occupying 12th therefrom,

> has 5th (8th

> from 10th) as his moolatrikona. His father, a merchant

> seaman, died

> during the bhukti of Moon in Rahu's dasa. If I'm not

> mistaken the PD

> could have been that of Saturn...the native is

> checking on the date

> and will get back to me on that.

>

> 2) The native had been, immediately prior to his

> father's death, in

> the armed forces (serving overseas)...10th lord's

> dispositor in 12th

> therefrom shows the foreign connection in relation to

> career.

>

> Certainly 10th lord's dispositor in 12th therefrom was

> adverse for

> father (person signified by 10th)...however, in terms

> of career

> (overseas posting etc), things were more favourable

> for the native.

>

> Of course there are many other factors in the chart

> that lend their

> support to both aspects of the native's life...so, in

> this regard

> it's probably not a good example. I'm scratching my

> head a little

> trying to find a chart where I can verify events. One

> thing is for

> certain, this native has risen in stature (status) in

> foreign

> lands... 10th lord Moon in sign of Saturn who has

> become a temporary

> friend.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ______________________________

>

> -

> "Juliana Swanson" <omhamsa>

> <jyotish-vidya>

> Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:51 AM

> Question for Wendy-ji and

> other members

>

>

> Namaste, Wendy-ji, and other respected members,

>

> Please help me understand something.

>

> I understand the temporal relationship scheme set

> forth by

> Parashara. The way I remember it is "friends are in

> houses 3 in

> front and 3 in back."

>

> So here is my question. If Saturn and Venus are 2

> houses from each

> other (Saturn 12th house and Venus 1st house), then

> they become

> Great Friends. However, we might also hear an

> astrologer say

> something like, "Saturn and Venus are in a 2/12

> relationship, which

> can bring both highs and lows, gains and losses in

> their Dasas."

>

> This seems to be a contradiction, but I think we are

> talking about

> two different matters: one, friendship means they will

> support each

> other and each other's affairs, and two, their bhava

> relationship

> can create a dynamic of ups and downs, gains and

> losses, etc. Is

> this true? I think, for example, if Venus and Saturn

> are in a 3/11

> relationship their friendship will be more

> consistently useful for

> gains than if they are in the 2/12 relationship.

>

> However, I need some concrete examples of how this

> could work.

> Please help me understand this better when you have

> time. I am

> grateful.

>

> Thanks,

> Juliana

>

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