Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Hi all I was thinking yesterday :- what is more powerful :- Saturn or its drishti Saturn is supposed to be hard teacher and its aspects are very harmful. Suppose for some person saturn is present in 10th house then it effects 12,4 and 7th houses and thereby effecting all the important aspects of normal married life.I know one such person.Every thing is delayed for her. Another person I know has Saturn in 1st house and aspects 3,7 and 10th house and for him also everything is life is delayed. But he has Venus strong and vargottam and that is helping him.Even Indira Gandhi ji (Indian Prime minister) had Saturn in 1st house which aspected her 3,7 and 10th house.We all know regarding her married life and profession (politics). I think that it delays the fruits of the house which it aspects but what about the house in which it resides.What are the outcome for house in which saturn is present. many thanks angel goel =================== __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Namaste, Saturn in the 10th house does create problems in the field of karma, if the individual pursues material objectives. Since Saturn is a spiritualizing planet, its objective is to bring this fact across to the native. Swami Vivekananda who had Saturn in his 10th house, found it extremely difficult to find a job. It is after he took to sanyasa that his destiny became evident. regards arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Hi Arun ji thanks for reply. Are you saying that Saturn leads people to spiritual path and not materialistic life path and its presence in 10th (which is related to karma/profession) means that destiny of person is not in materialistice jobs but GOD. thanks angel --- arun <savitarcyber wrote: > Namaste, > > Saturn in the 10th house does create problems in the > field of karma, > if the individual pursues material objectives. Since > Saturn is a > spiritualizing planet, its objective is to bring > this fact across to > the native. Swami Vivekananda who had Saturn in his > 10th house, found > it extremely difficult to find a job. It is after he > took to sanyasa > that his destiny became evident. > > regards > arun > > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Get fast access to your favorite . Make > your home page > http://us.click./dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/C9XolB/TM > --~-> > > > > Links > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Dear Angel, Perhaps we should look first at "what is the difference"..rather than what is more powerful. As we know Saturn brings his (full) influence on the house he occupies and the houses he aspects (full aspect that is) equally. However, he himself is influenced only by the house he occupies (and of course by aspects from other planets). There is a mutual/personal relationship between Saturn and the house he occupies...each influencing the other for better or worse. We don't see that same exchange (two way influence) between Saturn and the houses he aspects, therefore, in my opinion, his influence on other (aspected) houses should be judged solely by his strength or weakness (according to placement) and his natural significations, tempered by the houses he rules. Remember, the lord of the house occupied by Saturn (his dispositor) will carry his influence with him wherever he goes and impart that influence to whoever he aspects...so this is a very strong and far reaching relationship between Saturn and the house he occupies. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "angel" <angelgoel "jr" <>; "jv" <jyotish-vidya> Monday, August 22, 2005 12:13 PM Sani or its drishti Hi all I was thinking yesterday :- what is more powerful :- Saturn or its drishti Saturn is supposed to be hard teacher and its aspects are very harmful. Suppose for some person saturn is present in 10th house then it effects 12,4 and 7th houses and thereby effecting all the important aspects of normal married life.I know one such person.Every thing is delayed for her. Another person I know has Saturn in 1st house and aspects 3,7 and 10th house and for him also everything is life is delayed. But he has Venus strong and vargottam and that is helping him.Even Indira Gandhi ji (Indian Prime minister) had Saturn in 1st house which aspected her 3,7 and 10th house.We all know regarding her married life and profession (politics). I think that it delays the fruits of the house which it aspects but what about the house in which it resides.What are the outcome for house in which saturn is present. many thanks angel goel =================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Dear Arun, Can you share the birth data you have for Swami Vivekananda as, according to the data I have, Saturn (conjunct Moon) occupies 9th whilst 12th lord Jupiter occupies 10th?? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "arun" <savitarcyber <jyotish-vidya> Monday, August 22, 2005 2:29 PM Re: Sani or its drishti Namaste, Saturn in the 10th house does create problems in the field of karma, if the individual pursues material objectives. Since Saturn is a spiritualizing planet, its objective is to bring this fact across to the native. Swami Vivekananda who had Saturn in his 10th house, found it extremely difficult to find a job. It is after he took to sanyasa that his destiny became evident. regards arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Namaste Wendy, I have the information from two sources. 1."Notable Horoscopes" by B.V.Raman according to which Swami was born on 12th January 1863 at 6-33pm (LMT) 22N40 88E30 Ayanamsa 20deg 30min 2."Esoteric principles of Vedic Astrology" By Bepin Behari page 129 where he gives swami's data as 12th January 1863 6:33 am(!)(LMT) In both charts Moon and Saturn occupy the 10th house and Jupiter in the 11th. regards arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Dear Arun, I had the time of 03:45 (not sure now where I got it from). However, using Lahiri ayanamsha, I still get Capricorn lagna with SA/MO in 9th??? If you have the time, could you give some insight how & why Sagittarius? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "arun" <savitarcyber <jyotish-vidya> Monday, August 22, 2005 4:01 PM Re: Sani or its drishti Namaste Wendy, I have the information from two sources. 1."Notable Horoscopes" by B.V.Raman according to which Swami was born on 12th January 1863 at 6-33pm (LMT) 22N40 88E30 Ayanamsa 20deg 30min 2."Esoteric principles of Vedic Astrology" By Bepin Behari page 129 where he gives swami's data as 12th January 1863 6:33 am(!)(LMT) In both charts Moon and Saturn occupy the 10th house and Jupiter in the 11th. regards arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 PS: Using the time of 6.33PM (B.V.Raman's time) I get Cancer lagna??? _______________________________ Dear Arun, I had the time of 03:45 (not sure now where I got it from). However, using Lahiri ayanamsha, I still get Capricorn lagna with SA/MO in 9th??? If you have the time, could you give some insight how & why Sagittarius? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "arun" <savitarcyber <jyotish-vidya> Monday, August 22, 2005 4:01 PM Re: Sani or its drishti Namaste Wendy, I have the information from two sources. 1."Notable Horoscopes" by B.V.Raman according to which Swami was born on 12th January 1863 at 6-33pm (LMT) 22N40 88E30 Ayanamsa 20deg 30min 2."Esoteric principles of Vedic Astrology" By Bepin Behari page 129 where he gives swami's data as 12th January 1863 6:33 am(!)(LMT) In both charts Moon and Saturn occupy the 10th house and Jupiter in the 11th. regards arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Sani in the house 10th does create some problem in the 'Karma" aspects but the positive points regarding Sani is that the Sani becoming Sarvagrahi (Of its own sign) does have the positive aspect of Sucessfull business in the terms of Wood and Iron. But consideration of the other planet in the natal chart (kundali) should also be consider. Beside this all Sani is also related to the "Adhyatma" (Mythology) and also the "Black Magic" too. Well the yuti and drishti should be considered first in respect to ones prediction to. Sani with the yuti with rahu or ketu does shows the spiritual (witch) harrasment to the person Sani with the yuti with Guru does implies the Mythological upliftment of the person regards dhaval Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 namaste angel Saturn gives painful experiences which over lifetimes will produce disenchantment with material life for the ego. The number of life- times will depend on how much experience the ego accumulates. Yes, finally the ego will realise its true home and turn towards it away from the so called "real" world. regards arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Namaste Wendy, Possibly the choice of ayanamsa is the reason? Using Raman Ayanamsa the Lagna is placed 27deg 31min in sagittarius. Unfortunately my ephemeris begins only from 1891. the ayanamsa difference between Raman and Lahiri on January 1900 is (22deg27min59sec - 21deg0min50sec) 1deg 27min9secs. regards arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Dear Arun, Thank you for clearing that up. Of course it's not for me to question your choice of ayanamsha but certainly, in this instance, it does make an enormous difference... I'd be interested to see your interpretation of the chart if you have time. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "arun" <savitarcyber <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:38 AM Re: Sani or its drishti Namaste Wendy, Possibly the choice of ayanamsa is the reason? Using Raman Ayanamsa the Lagna is placed 27deg 31min in sagittarius. Unfortunately my ephemeris begins only from 1891. the ayanamsa difference between Raman and Lahiri on January 1900 is (22deg27min59sec - 21deg0min50sec) 1deg 27min9secs. regards arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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