Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Kuja or mangal or mars is the Lord of 2nd house in my chart. The details of the chart is given below. Second house is Dhana Stana. Mercury along with Sun is in Dhana Sthana as shown in the chart. But mercury is the lord of Vyaya stana. Ans mars or kuja is in 12 th house along with Sani. So its clear that there is Parivarthana between Mars and Mercury in 2nd and 12 th house. 2nd being Dhana sthan and 12 the being vyaya sthan, how should we infer from this chart. Should we say that he earns money or should we that he looses money?? My question is what is the result of this parivarthana between mars and mercury? will he gains money or will he looses money? +--------------+ | |Mo | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+--------| | | |Ra | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------| Rasi |---------| |Ve Ke | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | |Su Me |As | Ma | | | | | | | | | Ju | Sa | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ The above is my chart and the folloing r the details: B i r t h D a t e# : 08-12-1981 B i r t h D a y # : Tuesday B i r t h T i m e# : 03:05:00 place of birth: tirupati, AP, India J a n m a L a g n a : LIBRA B i r t h R a s i : ARIES B i r t h Nakshtra : Ashwini Charana : 2 --- ----- Planet.Name Ra-Dg-Mt-Sc Rasi Name NakshtraName Pad Navmansha Rasi --- ------ Ascendent 06-05-25-26 LIBRA Chitra 4 SCORPIO M.C. 03-04-01-20 CANCER Pushya 1 LEO SUN 07-22-06-53 SCORPIO Jayestha 2 CAPRICORN MOON 00-03-22-42 ARIES Ashwini 2 TAURAS MARS 05-02-29-52 VIRGO Uttara-Falguni 2 CAPRICORN MERCURY 07-20-36-43 SCORPIO Jayestha 2 CAPRICORN JUPITER 06-08-26-19 LIBRA Swati 1 SAGITTARIUS * VENUS 09-05-44-02 CAPRICORN UttraShadha 3 AQUARIUS SATURN 05-26-35-31 VIRGO Chitra 1 LEO RAHU 03-00-51-51 CANCER Punarvasu 4 CANCER KETU 09-00-51-51 CAPRICORN UttraShadha 2 CAPRICORN HARSHAL 07-07-41-51 SCORPIO Anuradha 2 VIRGO NEPTUNE 08-00-38-24 SAGITTARIUS Mula 1 ARIES PLUTO 06-02-17-48 LIBRA Chitra 3 LIBRA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Dear Chaitu, The exchange of 2/12 lords gives rise to a difficult parivartana yoga; namely "Dainya Yoga". It indicates expenditure on account of (and loss of) the indications of 2nd house. 2nd is house of family, finances, education, memory, imagination etc., so some difficulties in any of these areas are likely. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "chaitu3k" <chaitu3k <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:28 PM Parivarthana Yoga Confusion Kuja or mangal or mars is the Lord of 2nd house in my chart. The details of the chart is given below. Second house is Dhana Stana. Mercury along with Sun is in Dhana Sthana as shown in the chart. But mercury is the lord of Vyaya stana. Ans mars or kuja is in 12 th house along with Sani. So its clear that there is Parivarthana between Mars and Mercury in 2nd and 12 th house. 2nd being Dhana sthan and 12 the being vyaya sthan, how should we infer from this chart. Should we say that he earns money or should we that he looses money?? My question is what is the result of this parivarthana between mars and mercury? will he gains money or will he looses money? B i r t h D a t e# : 08-12-1981 B i r t h D a y # : Tuesday B i r t h T i m e# : 03:05:00 place of birth: tirupati, AP, India J a n m a L a g n a : LIBRA B i r t h R a s i : ARIES B i r t h Nakshtra : Ashwini Charana : 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 PS: A little (almost forgotten by me) rule I was taught many years ago is "If 12th has more ashtakavarga bindus than lst, expenditure will be more than is comfortable for the native". _ Dear Chaitu, The exchange of 2/12 lords gives rise to a difficult parivartana yoga; namely "Dainya Yoga". It indicates expenditure on account of (and loss of) the indications of 2nd house. 2nd is house of family, finances, education, memory, imagination etc., so some difficulties in any of these areas are likely. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "chaitu3k" <chaitu3k <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:28 PM Parivarthana Yoga Confusion Kuja or mangal or mars is the Lord of 2nd house in my chart. The details of the chart is given below. Second house is Dhana Stana. Mercury along with Sun is in Dhana Sthana as shown in the chart. But mercury is the lord of Vyaya stana. Ans mars or kuja is in 12 th house along with Sani. So its clear that there is Parivarthana between Mars and Mercury in 2nd and 12 th house. 2nd being Dhana sthan and 12 the being vyaya sthan, how should we infer from this chart. Should we say that he earns money or should we that he looses money?? My question is what is the result of this parivarthana between mars and mercury? will he gains money or will he looses money? B i r t h D a t e# : 08-12-1981 B i r t h D a y # : Tuesday B i r t h T i m e# : 03:05:00 place of birth: tirupati, AP, India J a n m a L a g n a : LIBRA B i r t h R a s i : ARIES B i r t h Nakshtra : Ashwini Charana : 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Dear Wendyji, Can Parivarthan yoga be seen from Moon as well. Best Regards Nilesh --- Wendy Vasicek <wenvas wrote: Dear Chaitu, The exchange of 2/12 lords gives rise to a difficult parivartana yoga; namely "Dainya Yoga". It indicates expenditure on account of (and loss of) the indications of 2nd house. 2nd is house of family, finances, education, memory, imagination etc., so some difficulties in any of these areas are likely. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "chaitu3k" <chaitu3k <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:28 PM Parivarthana Yoga Confusion Kuja or mangal or mars is the Lord of 2nd house in my chart. The details of the chart is given below. Second house is Dhana Stana. Mercury along with Sun is in Dhana Sthana as shown in the chart. But mercury is the lord of Vyaya stana. Ans mars or kuja is in 12 th house along with Sani. So its clear that there is Parivarthana between Mars and Mercury in 2nd and 12 th house. 2nd being Dhana sthan and 12 the being vyaya sthan, how should we infer from this chart. Should we say that he earns money or should we that he looses money?? My question is what is the result of this parivarthana between mars and mercury? will he gains money or will he looses money? B i r t h D a t e# : 08-12-1981 B i r t h D a y # : Tuesday B i r t h T i m e# : 03:05:00 place of birth: tirupati, AP, India J a n m a L a g n a : LIBRA B i r t h R a s i : ARIES B i r t h Nakshtra : Ashwini Charana : 2 Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. __ Send a rakhi to your brother, buy gifts and win attractive prizes. Log on to http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Dear mrs Wendy, Exchange may cause yoga and it is reult of bhava lords of 2 and 12.Any parivartana( change) is always a good sign and the negative effects get mitigated as per classical texts.But then planets,particularly malefics in 12th aspect 2nd,say saturn 3rd aspect on 2nd or mars 8th and 7th aspects from 6th and 8th housesrespectively lead to misery(dainaya) than simple bhava lord exchange causing a yoga like dainya yoga. Probably yoga when to be analysed for the advantage and disadvantage of the native,then aspects to matter.Benific aspects vitiate yoga and malefics will have negaitive results. krishnan Wendy Vasicek <wenvas wrote: Dear Chaitu, The exchange of 2/12 lords gives rise to a difficult parivartana yoga; namely "Dainya Yoga". It indicates expenditure on account of (and loss of) the indications of 2nd house. 2nd is house of family, finances, education, memory, imagination etc., so some difficulties in any of these areas are likely. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "chaitu3k" <chaitu3k <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:28 PM Parivarthana Yoga Confusion Kuja or mangal or mars is the Lord of 2nd house in my chart. The details of the chart is given below. Second house is Dhana Stana. Mercury along with Sun is in Dhana Sthana as shown in the chart. But mercury is the lord of Vyaya stana. Ans mars or kuja is in 12 th house along with Sani. So its clear that there is Parivarthana between Mars and Mercury in 2nd and 12 th house. 2nd being Dhana sthan and 12 the being vyaya sthan, how should we infer from this chart. Should we say that he earns money or should we that he looses money?? My question is what is the result of this parivarthana between mars and mercury? will he gains money or will he looses money? B i r t h D a t e# : 08-12-1981 B i r t h D a y # : Tuesday B i r t h T i m e# : 03:05:00 place of birth: tirupati, AP, India J a n m a L a g n a : LIBRA B i r t h R a s i : ARIES B i r t h Nakshtra : Ashwini Charana : 2 Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Dear Krishnan, We all know that each chart has to be judged on its own merits considering all influences that have the potential to modify (any) given yoga..."one size" most definately does not fit all, as I'm sure you agree. However dainya (misery) yoga IS formed when a dusthana lord exchanges with another lord (other than a dusthana). Certainly some beneficial results may be there also but the potential difficulties arising from this yoga cannot be brushed aside, in my opinion. I agree, as I'm sure you do also, with the following: "If the yoga forming planets have more beneficial influences, there will (naturally) be a buffer from some of the ill effects of the yoga. The yoga will not indicate consistently bad effects; there will be a bit of relief during the antardasas of any beneficial planets that are creating the Subha Yoga. If the yoga forming planets have more malefic influences, the effects of the yoga will be particularly difficult and stressful." In the chart we speak of Saturn does indeed aspect 2nd from 12th, however I would not call this a malefic aspect as Saturn, dispositor of lagnesh Venus, owns 4th/5th bhavas, the houses of mind (emotional and intellectual). This suggests to me that the native has the intellectual and emotional fortitude to persevere and, with hard work, may overcome the potential difficulties due to this yoga. The transits at the moment are less than favourable with Ketu and Jupiter transiting 12th house along with debilitated lagnesh Venus. Jupiter, lord of 3rd house of initiative (effort put in to achieve desires), transiting pratyantar lord Saturn along with secretive Ketu, planet of hindrances (who occupies 3rd) is not the best influence to strengthen one's initiative(Jupiter), perseverance and ability to work hard(Saturn)...wouldn't you agree? The aspect of transiting Mars from Aries might well have a positive influence on finances but Mars is a first rate malefic for this native and his aspect on Mercury (intellect/learning) and Sun (karaka for lagna) is unfavourable, in my opinion... Of course we all look at a chart differently and (generally) only see what we're looking at. I therefore look forward to looking again at this yoga through your (and others) eyes :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "vattem krishnan" <bursar_99 <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:59 PM Re: Parivarthana Yoga Confusion Dear mrs Wendy, Exchange may cause yoga and it is reult of bhava lords of 2 and 12.Any parivartana( change) is always a good sign and the negative effects get mitigated as per classical texts.But then planets,particularly malefics in 12th aspect 2nd,say saturn 3rd aspect on 2nd or mars 8th and 7th aspects from 6th and 8th housesrespectively lead to misery(dainaya) than simple bhava lord exchange causing a yoga like dainya yoga. Probably yoga when to be analysed for the advantage and disadvantage of the native,then aspects to matter.Benific aspects vitiate yoga and malefics will have negaitive results. krishnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Dear Nilesh, As I'm sure you know, we're taught to judge all planetary positions from Lagna, Chandra and Surya. However, to the best of my knowledge, Yogas such as parivartana are seen primarily from lagna. Having said that, I think it's worthwhile considering all yogas as they relate to each house i.e; from lagna we see ourselves, from 4th we see the many influences on mother, from 2nd influences on family...and so forth. Other learned may, hopefully, offer more on this. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "nilesh joshi" <niljoshi27 <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:07 PM Re: Parivarthana Yoga Confusion Dear Wendyji, Can Parivarthan yoga be seen from Moon as well. Best Regards Nilesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Dear Mrs Wendy, I think in my previous mail I think I could not make myself more clear in the context of parivartana.May be the yoga under cloud may be "dainya"or for that may be any other term.Privartana Yogas will be more on positive side but not dismal. As suggested I would prefer to have a relook in the forgoing effort made by you on this chart. with best wishes krishnan Wendy Vasicek <wenvas wrote: Dear Krishnan, We all know that each chart has to be judged on its own merits considering all influences that have the potential to modify (any) given yoga..."one size" most definately does not fit all, as I'm sure you agree. However dainya (misery) yoga IS formed when a dusthana lord exchanges with another lord (other than a dusthana). Certainly some beneficial results may be there also but the potential difficulties arising from this yoga cannot be brushed aside, in my opinion. I agree, as I'm sure you do also, with the following: "If the yoga forming planets have more beneficial influences, there will (naturally) be a buffer from some of the ill effects of the yoga. The yoga will not indicate consistently bad effects; there will be a bit of relief during the antardasas of any beneficial planets that are creating the Subha Yoga. If the yoga forming planets have more malefic influences, the effects of the yoga will be particularly difficult and stressful." In the chart we speak of Saturn does indeed aspect 2nd from 12th, however I would not call this a malefic aspect as Saturn, dispositor of lagnesh Venus, owns 4th/5th bhavas, the houses of mind (emotional and intellectual). This suggests to me that the native has the intellectual and emotional fortitude to persevere and, with hard work, may overcome the potential difficulties due to this yoga. The transits at the moment are less than favourable with Ketu and Jupiter transiting 12th house along with debilitated lagnesh Venus. Jupiter, lord of 3rd house of initiative (effort put in to achieve desires), transiting pratyantar lord Saturn along with secretive Ketu, planet of hindrances (who occupies 3rd) is not the best influence to strengthen one's initiative(Jupiter), perseverance and ability to work hard(Saturn)...wouldn't you agree? The aspect of transiting Mars from Aries might well have a positive influence on finances but Mars is a first rate malefic for this native and his aspect on Mercury (intellect/learning) and Sun (karaka for lagna) is unfavourable, in my opinion... Of course we all look at a chart differently and (generally) only see what we're looking at. I therefore look forward to looking again at this yoga through your (and others) eyes :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "vattem krishnan" <bursar_99 <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:59 PM Re: Parivarthana Yoga Confusion Dear mrs Wendy, Exchange may cause yoga and it is reult of bhava lords of 2 and 12.Any parivartana( change) is always a good sign and the negative effects get mitigated as per classical texts.But then planets,particularly malefics in 12th aspect 2nd,say saturn 3rd aspect on 2nd or mars 8th and 7th aspects from 6th and 8th housesrespectively lead to misery(dainaya) than simple bhava lord exchange causing a yoga like dainya yoga. Probably yoga when to be analysed for the advantage and disadvantage of the native,then aspects to matter.Benific aspects vitiate yoga and malefics will have negaitive results. krishnan Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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