Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 Respected members, It is said that planets that are exalted but retrograde give the effect of debility. Is it really true and does it have a mention in any of the sacred texts. And if the above is true does it apply on nodes which are always retrograde. Best Regards Nilesh --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Dear Bala ji, Though Gems are status symbols,it is not correct to say:Gems are introduced only by english merchants"as these were used later by women and then for astro purpose. These are contributions made through various civilizations.Even our relics use of vajras and vaidhurya have been mentiond and kings used to gift them Thanx krishnan "Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan wrote: Dear Krishnanji I read your article and it is really true that gems are mysteries of its own. Belief..faith....expectations are the wheels of life....People want to do something for something to happen...You can see many north indians wearing white stone or blue stone just for fancy or show and also for fortune. If gems can change anyone's life then it should have relation to birth and death also.Planets and earth we know and the influence of them on earth and people have been proved by many scriptures,purana texts and scientists(rishis/rajas also). Gems are introduced only by english merchants recently and rajas/kings wearing them only to show the status and pride.They differentiated status through ownership of various things including these gems,stones also. Your example is very realistic and many people are made like this because of the dasa/bukthi they are undergoing.....FATE IS SUPREME. Bye Balaji G vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Dear Juliana, Apart from affordability,I have seen that many people rush to only those Astrologers who will suggest for gemstones.They may not seek fee for consulatations but will have commission from the Gem traders. Due to negative impact of Gems many people have become ill and unexpectedly got in to tragic situations.let me brief you one incident: One of my Secretary,a young lady(around 30s) used to wear Yellow saphire on her middle finguer(Saturn) and I noticed one day abruptly and quipped her why she was wearing the gem on her middle finguer and told her that she should change it.She said that some Astrologer told that she should wear on that finguer.Then I kept quite.May be after 3rd or 4th day (after my talk with her) all of a sudden some body brought the news that her husband committed suicide at a place far off from her work place. When I just reviewed the whole thing intuitively,It appeared to me that she must be belonging to virgo sign and her fourth is sagittarus and 7th is pisces.ofcourse I have not seen her chart I think her mars is in libra in 12 th. Her husband used to run a real easte business and was well off.They had two young children in successive years. Apart from yellow saphire she used to wear a diamond and a pearl.It was very striking to me something wrong with these kind of supplimentaries and have not found a need for all these Gems.Astrologers some how prescribe and people out of innocence buy them hoping for better things to happen in their lives.It is not just one incident I came across but sevaral. Some how I do not wear nor suggest the need for wearing stones/Gems.Even if some body suggests also to me i think twice.I believe simply in some some chantings,prayers and worship besides normal way of taking care of have nots.of course some colour codes for dresses and in the environment where they live and work. These practices have helped me immensely and also to others to whom I have given advise.So my faith in these forms of remedies is immense than in Gems. krishnan Juliana Swanson <omhamsa wrote: Dear Wendy, I agree that "gems are capable of uplifting the vibrations of weak or afflicted benefic (functional benefic) planets...[but that] it's cruel to recommend them to those who cannot afford them." I have found what may be an interesting solution to this dilemma, for people who cannot afford Jyotish gems or do not wish to wear them for any reason. For example, I have some combinations in my own chart that have caused me to lose and break expensive Jyotish prescribed gems again and again. Komilla Sutton told me that this is ultimately a good thing, because the gems are taking karmas with them when they "disappear." Swami Muktananda used to say something similar about japa/mala beads breaking. The breaking and/or loss of gems and malas can indicate the end of an old cycle of karma and the beginning of a new one, just as breaking clear glass may signify the appearance of a new paradigm in one's life. Anyway, I have been using gem elixirs as a substitute for gems, with some success. I find that the elixirs have a lighter vibration than the actual gems, so they can even be used to harmonize the energy of temporal malefics, in certain cases. For anyone interested, the gem elixirs I use are made my Dr. Lilli Botchis at: http://www.absolutelythepurest.com/other% 20parts/gemelixershome.html I am eager to hear of others' ideas and experiences with gem elixirs. Thanks, Juliana Swanson Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. Start your day with - make it your home page Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. 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Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 Dear Nilesh ji, In fact classics say retrograde planets are very powerful and now if we link with exaltation of the planets,they should be more powerful.But Astrology subjected is very farsighted it does not go just by the avasthas of palnets.Avasthas are meant for status of planets.Plents undergo several states and of them are features of exaltation and retrogression. Planets become retrograde as they go near to sun.Like wise exaltation a particular planet at specific degrees in a particular sign reaches exaltation. Now you have benific and malefic planets and also beinifc houses and malefic houses and like wise signs also. Take for example jupiter is in retrogression in 3rd house(considered normally as malefic) and the sign is cancer.From there it aspects 7H,9th and 11th.All these houses will definetely have better/excellent results.Also find where lord of 3rd is placed.If he is not strong,the house can not be strong and the planet there can not give strong positive results. Then we have to find lords of these houses,their placement so on so forth to conclude whether the planet exalted and retrograde planets"give the effect of debility". one thing can be safely concluded that normally retrograde planets may lead to some illness and ailments.It is possible that the patient may be asthematic or problem in shoulders etc. It is not fair therfore to conclude that retrograde planets give the effect of debility. Krishnan nilesh joshi <niljoshi27 wrote: Respected members, It is said that planets that are exalted but retrograde give the effect of debility. Is it really true and does it have a mention in any of the sacred texts. And if the above is true does it apply on nodes which are always retrograde. Best Regards Nilesh --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Dear Bala ji, Though Gems are status symbols,it is not correct to say:Gems are introduced only by english merchants"as these were used later by women and then for astro purpose. These are contributions made through various civilizations.Even our relics use of vajras and vaidhurya have been mentiond and kings used to gift them Thanx krishnan "Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan wrote: Dear Krishnanji I read your article and it is really true that gems are mysteries of its own. Belief..faith....expectations are the wheels of life....People want to do something for something to happen...You can see many north indians wearing white stone or blue stone just for fancy or show and also for fortune. If gems can change anyone's life then it should have relation to birth and death also.Planets and earth we know and the influence of them on earth and people have been proved by many scriptures,purana texts and scientists(rishis/rajas also). Gems are introduced only by english merchants recently and rajas/kings wearing them only to show the status and pride.They differentiated status through ownership of various things including these gems,stones also. Your example is very realistic and many people are made like this because of the dasa/bukthi they are undergoing.....FATE IS SUPREME. Bye Balaji G vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Dear Juliana, Apart from affordability,I have seen that many people rush to only those Astrologers who will suggest for gemstones.They may not seek fee for consulatations but will have commission from the Gem traders. Due to negative impact of Gems many people have become ill and unexpectedly got in to tragic situations.let me brief you one incident: One of my Secretary,a young lady(around 30s) used to wear Yellow saphire on her middle finguer(Saturn) and I noticed one day abruptly and quipped her why she was wearing the gem on her middle finguer and told her that she should change it.She said that some Astrologer told that she should wear on that finguer.Then I kept quite.May be after 3rd or 4th day (after my talk with her) all of a sudden some body brought the news that her husband committed suicide at a place far off from her work place. When I just reviewed the whole thing intuitively,It appeared to me that she must be belonging to virgo sign and her fourth is sagittarus and 7th is pisces.ofcourse I have not seen her chart I think her mars is in libra in 12 th. Her husband used to run a real easte business and was well off.They had two young children in successive years. Apart from yellow saphire she used to wear a diamond and a pearl.It was very striking to me something wrong with these kind of supplimentaries and have not found a need for all these Gems.Astrologers some how prescribe and people out of innocence buy them hoping for better things to happen in their lives.It is not just one incident I came across but sevaral. Some how I do not wear nor suggest the need for wearing stones/Gems.Even if some body suggests also to me i think twice.I believe simply in some some chantings,prayers and worship besides normal way of taking care of have nots.of course some colour codes for dresses and in the environment where they live and work. These practices have helped me immensely and also to others to whom I have given advise.So my faith in these forms of remedies is immense than in Gems. krishnan Juliana Swanson <omhamsa wrote: Dear Wendy, I agree that "gems are capable of uplifting the vibrations of weak or afflicted benefic (functional benefic) planets...[but that] it's cruel to recommend them to those who cannot afford them." I have found what may be an interesting solution to this dilemma, for people who cannot afford Jyotish gems or do not wish to wear them for any reason. For example, I have some combinations in my own chart that have caused me to lose and break expensive Jyotish prescribed gems again and again. Komilla Sutton told me that this is ultimately a good thing, because the gems are taking karmas with them when they "disappear." Swami Muktananda used to say something similar about japa/mala beads breaking. The breaking and/or loss of gems and malas can indicate the end of an old cycle of karma and the beginning of a new one, just as breaking clear glass may signify the appearance of a new paradigm in one's life. Anyway, I have been using gem elixirs as a substitute for gems, with some success. I find that the elixirs have a lighter vibration than the actual gems, so they can even be used to harmonize the energy of temporal malefics, in certain cases. For anyone interested, the gem elixirs I use are made my Dr. Lilli Botchis at: http://www.absolutelythepurest.com/other% 20parts/gemelixershome.html I am eager to hear of others' ideas and experiences with gem elixirs. Thanks, Juliana Swanson Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. Start your day with - make it your home page Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. Start your day with - make it your home page Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. __ Send a rakhi to your brother, buy gifts and win attractive prizes. Log on to http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 nodes are always malefic and it is a matter of view about exaltation and debility of nodes krishnan nilesh joshi <niljoshi27 wrote: Respected members, It is said that planets that are exalted but retrograde give the effect of debility. Is it really true and does it have a mention in any of the sacred texts. And if the above is true does it apply on nodes which are always retrograde. Best Regards Nilesh --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Dear Bala ji, Though Gems are status symbols,it is not correct to say:Gems are introduced only by english merchants"as these were used later by women and then for astro purpose. These are contributions made through various civilizations.Even our relics use of vajras and vaidhurya have been mentiond and kings used to gift them Thanx krishnan "Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan wrote: Dear Krishnanji I read your article and it is really true that gems are mysteries of its own. Belief..faith....expectations are the wheels of life....People want to do something for something to happen...You can see many north indians wearing white stone or blue stone just for fancy or show and also for fortune. If gems can change anyone's life then it should have relation to birth and death also.Planets and earth we know and the influence of them on earth and people have been proved by many scriptures,purana texts and scientists(rishis/rajas also). Gems are introduced only by english merchants recently and rajas/kings wearing them only to show the status and pride.They differentiated status through ownership of various things including these gems,stones also. Your example is very realistic and many people are made like this because of the dasa/bukthi they are undergoing.....FATE IS SUPREME. Bye Balaji G vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Dear Juliana, Apart from affordability,I have seen that many people rush to only those Astrologers who will suggest for gemstones.They may not seek fee for consulatations but will have commission from the Gem traders. Due to negative impact of Gems many people have become ill and unexpectedly got in to tragic situations.let me brief you one incident: One of my Secretary,a young lady(around 30s) used to wear Yellow saphire on her middle finguer(Saturn) and I noticed one day abruptly and quipped her why she was wearing the gem on her middle finguer and told her that she should change it.She said that some Astrologer told that she should wear on that finguer.Then I kept quite.May be after 3rd or 4th day (after my talk with her) all of a sudden some body brought the news that her husband committed suicide at a place far off from her work place. When I just reviewed the whole thing intuitively,It appeared to me that she must be belonging to virgo sign and her fourth is sagittarus and 7th is pisces.ofcourse I have not seen her chart I think her mars is in libra in 12 th. Her husband used to run a real easte business and was well off.They had two young children in successive years. Apart from yellow saphire she used to wear a diamond and a pearl.It was very striking to me something wrong with these kind of supplimentaries and have not found a need for all these Gems.Astrologers some how prescribe and people out of innocence buy them hoping for better things to happen in their lives.It is not just one incident I came across but sevaral. Some how I do not wear nor suggest the need for wearing stones/Gems.Even if some body suggests also to me i think twice.I believe simply in some some chantings,prayers and worship besides normal way of taking care of have nots.of course some colour codes for dresses and in the environment where they live and work. These practices have helped me immensely and also to others to whom I have given advise.So my faith in these forms of remedies is immense than in Gems. krishnan Juliana Swanson <omhamsa wrote: Dear Wendy, I agree that "gems are capable of uplifting the vibrations of weak or afflicted benefic (functional benefic) planets...[but that] it's cruel to recommend them to those who cannot afford them." I have found what may be an interesting solution to this dilemma, for people who cannot afford Jyotish gems or do not wish to wear them for any reason. For example, I have some combinations in my own chart that have caused me to lose and break expensive Jyotish prescribed gems again and again. Komilla Sutton told me that this is ultimately a good thing, because the gems are taking karmas with them when they "disappear." Swami Muktananda used to say something similar about japa/mala beads breaking. The breaking and/or loss of gems and malas can indicate the end of an old cycle of karma and the beginning of a new one, just as breaking clear glass may signify the appearance of a new paradigm in one's life. Anyway, I have been using gem elixirs as a substitute for gems, with some success. I find that the elixirs have a lighter vibration than the actual gems, so they can even be used to harmonize the energy of temporal malefics, in certain cases. For anyone interested, the gem elixirs I use are made my Dr. Lilli Botchis at: http://www.absolutelythepurest.com/other% 20parts/gemelixershome.html I am eager to hear of others' ideas and experiences with gem elixirs. Thanks, Juliana Swanson Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. Start your day with - make it your home page Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. 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Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Thanks Krishnan ji, nilesh --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Dear Nilesh ji, In fact classics say retrograde planets are very powerful and now if we link with exaltation of the planets,they should be more powerful.But Astrology subjected is very farsighted it does not go just by the avasthas of palnets.Avasthas are meant for status of planets.Plents undergo several states and of them are features of exaltation and retrogression. Planets become retrograde as they go near to sun.Like wise exaltation a particular planet at specific degrees in a particular sign reaches exaltation. Now you have benific and malefic planets and also beinifc houses and malefic houses and like wise signs also. Take for example jupiter is in retrogression in 3rd house(considered normally as malefic) and the sign is cancer.From there it aspects 7H,9th and 11th.All these houses will definetely have better/excellent results.Also find where lord of 3rd is placed.If he is not strong,the house can not be strong and the planet there can not give strong positive results. Then we have to find lords of these houses,their placement so on so forth to conclude whether the planet exalted and retrograde planets"give the effect of debility". one thing can be safely concluded that normally retrograde planets may lead to some illness and ailments.It is possible that the patient may be asthematic or problem in shoulders etc. It is not fair therfore to conclude that retrograde planets give the effect of debility. Krishnan nilesh joshi <niljoshi27 wrote: Respected members, It is said that planets that are exalted but retrograde give the effect of debility. Is it really true and does it have a mention in any of the sacred texts. And if the above is true does it apply on nodes which are always retrograde. Best Regards Nilesh --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Dear Bala ji, Though Gems are status symbols,it is not correct to say:Gems are introduced only by english merchants"as these were used later by women and then for astro purpose. These are contributions made through various civilizations.Even our relics use of vajras and vaidhurya have been mentiond and kings used to gift them Thanx krishnan "Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan wrote: Dear Krishnanji I read your article and it is really true that gems are mysteries of its own. Belief..faith....expectations are the wheels of life....People want to do something for something to happen...You can see many north indians wearing white stone or blue stone just for fancy or show and also for fortune. If gems can change anyone's life then it should have relation to birth and death also.Planets and earth we know and the influence of them on earth and people have been proved by many scriptures,purana texts and scientists(rishis/rajas also). Gems are introduced only by english merchants recently and rajas/kings wearing them only to show the status and pride.They differentiated status through ownership of various things including these gems,stones also. Your example is very realistic and many people are made like this because of the dasa/bukthi they are undergoing.....FATE IS SUPREME. Bye Balaji G vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Dear Juliana, Apart from affordability,I have seen that many people rush to only those Astrologers who will suggest for gemstones.They may not seek fee for consulatations but will have commission from the Gem traders. Due to negative impact of Gems many people have become ill and unexpectedly got in to tragic situations.let me brief you one incident: One of my Secretary,a young lady(around 30s) used to wear Yellow saphire on her middle finguer(Saturn) and I noticed one day abruptly and quipped her why she was wearing the gem on her middle finguer and told her that she should change it.She said that some Astrologer told that she should wear on that finguer.Then I kept quite.May be after 3rd or 4th day (after my talk with her) all of a sudden some body brought the news that her husband committed suicide at a place far off from her work place. When I just reviewed the whole thing intuitively,It appeared to me that she must be belonging to virgo sign and her fourth is sagittarus and 7th is pisces.ofcourse I have not seen her chart I think her mars is in libra in 12 th. Her husband used to run a real easte business and was well off.They had two young children in successive years. Apart from yellow saphire she used to wear a diamond and a pearl.It was very striking to me something wrong with these kind of supplimentaries and have not found a need for all these Gems.Astrologers some how prescribe and people out of innocence buy them hoping for better things to happen in their lives.It is not just one incident I came across but sevaral. Some how I do not wear nor suggest the need for wearing stones/Gems.Even if some body suggests also to me i think twice.I believe simply in some some chantings,prayers and worship besides normal way of taking care of have nots.of course some colour codes for dresses and in the environment where they live and work. These practices have helped me immensely and also to others to whom I have given advise.So my faith in these forms of remedies is immense than in Gems. krishnan Juliana Swanson <omhamsa wrote: Dear Wendy, I agree that "gems are capable of uplifting the vibrations of weak or afflicted benefic (functional benefic) planets...[but that] it's cruel to recommend them to those who cannot afford them." I have found what may be an interesting solution to this dilemma, for people who cannot afford Jyotish gems or do not wish to wear them for any reason. For example, I have some combinations in my own chart that have caused me to lose and break expensive Jyotish prescribed gems again and again. Komilla Sutton told me that this is ultimately a good thing, because the gems are taking karmas with them when they "disappear." Swami Muktananda used to say something similar about japa/mala beads breaking. The breaking and/or loss of gems and malas can indicate the end of an old cycle of karma and the beginning of a new one, just as breaking clear glass may signify the appearance of a new paradigm in one's life. Anyway, I have been using gem elixirs as a substitute for gems, with some success. I find that the elixirs have a lighter vibration than the actual gems, so they can even be used to harmonize the energy of temporal malefics, in certain cases. For anyone interested, the gem elixirs I use are made my Dr. Lilli Botchis at: http://www.absolutelythepurest.com/other% 20parts/gemelixershome.html I am eager to hear of others' ideas and experiences with gem elixirs. Thanks, Juliana Swanson Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. Start your day with - make it your home page Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. Check out India Rakhi Special for Rakhi shopping, contests and lots more. http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. Start your day with - make it your home page Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. __ Send a rakhi to your brother, buy gifts and win attractive prizes. Log on to http://in.promos./rakhi/index.html Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. 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