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Respected members,

 

It is said that planets that are exalted but

retrograde give the effect of debility. Is it really

true and does it have a mention in any of the sacred

texts.

 

And if the above is true does it apply on nodes which

are always retrograde.

 

 

Best Regards

 

Nilesh

 

 

 

 

 

--- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Bala ji,

Though Gems are status symbols,it is not correct to

say:Gems are introduced only by english merchants"as

these were used later by women and then for astro

purpose.

These are contributions made through various

civilizations.Even our relics use of vajras and

vaidhurya have been mentiond and kings used to gift

them

Thanx

krishnan

 

"Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan

wrote:

Dear Krishnanji

 

I read your article and it is really true that gems

are mysteries of its own.

 

Belief..faith....expectations are the wheels of

life....People want to do something for something to

happen...You can see many north indians wearing white

stone or blue stone just for fancy or show and also

for fortune.

 

If gems can change anyone's life then it should have

relation to birth and death also.Planets and earth we

know and the influence of them on earth and people

have been proved by many scriptures,purana texts and

scientists(rishis/rajas also).

 

Gems are introduced only by english merchants recently

and rajas/kings wearing them only to show the status

and pride.They differentiated status through ownership

of various things including these gems,stones also.

 

Your example is very realistic and many people are

made like this because of the dasa/bukthi they are

undergoing.....FATE IS SUPREME.

 

Bye

Balaji G

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

Dear Juliana,

Apart from affordability,I have seen that many people

rush to only those Astrologers who will suggest for

gemstones.They may not seek fee for consulatations but

will have commission from the Gem traders.

Due to negative impact of Gems many people have become

ill and unexpectedly got in to tragic situations.let

me brief you one incident:

One of my Secretary,a young lady(around 30s) used to

wear Yellow saphire on her middle finguer(Saturn) and

I noticed one day abruptly and quipped her why she

was wearing the gem on her middle finguer and told her

that she should change it.She said that some

Astrologer told that she should wear on that

finguer.Then I kept quite.May be after 3rd or 4th day

(after my talk with her) all of a sudden some body

brought the news that her husband committed suicide at

a place far off from her work place.

When I just reviewed the whole thing intuitively,It

appeared to me that she must be belonging to virgo

sign and her fourth is sagittarus and 7th is

pisces.ofcourse I have not seen her chart

I think her mars is in libra in 12 th.

Her husband used to run a real easte business and was

well off.They had two young children in successive

years.

Apart from yellow saphire she used to wear a diamond

and a pearl.It was very striking to me something wrong

with these kind of supplimentaries and have not found

a need for all these Gems.Astrologers some how

prescribe and people out of innocence buy them hoping

for better things to happen in their lives.It is not

just one incident I came across but sevaral.

Some how I do not wear nor suggest the need for

wearing stones/Gems.Even if some body suggests also to

me i think twice.I believe simply in some some

chantings,prayers and worship besides normal way of

taking care of have nots.of course some colour codes

for dresses and in the environment where they live and

work.

These practices have helped me immensely and also to

others to whom I have given advise.So my faith in

these forms of remedies is immense than in Gems.

krishnan

 

Juliana Swanson <omhamsa wrote:

Dear Wendy,

 

I agree that "gems are capable of uplifting the

vibrations of weak

or afflicted benefic (functional benefic)

planets...[but that] it's

cruel to recommend them to those who cannot afford

them." I have

found what may be an interesting solution to this

dilemma, for

people who cannot afford Jyotish gems or do not wish

to wear them

for any reason.

 

For example, I have some combinations in my own chart

that have

caused me to lose and break expensive Jyotish

prescribed gems again

and again. Komilla Sutton told me that this is

ultimately a good

thing, because the gems are taking karmas with them

when

they "disappear." Swami Muktananda used to say

something

similar about japa/mala beads breaking. The breaking

and/or loss of

gems and malas can indicate the end of an old cycle of

karma and the

beginning of a new one, just as breaking clear glass

may signify the

appearance of a new paradigm in one's life.

 

Anyway, I have been using gem elixirs as a substitute

for gems, with

some success. I find that the elixirs have a lighter

vibration than

the actual gems, so they can even be used to harmonize

the energy of

temporal malefics, in certain cases.

 

For anyone interested, the gem elixirs I use are made

my Dr. Lilli

Botchis at:

http://www.absolutelythepurest.com/other%

20parts/gemelixershome.html

 

I am eager to hear of others' ideas and experiences

with gem elixirs.

 

Thanks,

Juliana Swanson

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Nilesh ji,

In fact classics say retrograde planets are very powerful and now if we link

with exaltation of the planets,they should be more powerful.But Astrology

subjected is very farsighted it does not go just by the avasthas of

palnets.Avasthas are meant for status of planets.Plents undergo several states

and of them are features of exaltation and retrogression.

Planets become retrograde as they go near to sun.Like wise exaltation a

particular planet at specific degrees in a particular sign reaches exaltation.

Now you have benific and malefic planets and also beinifc houses and malefic

houses and like wise signs also.

Take for example jupiter is in retrogression in 3rd house(considered normally as

malefic) and the sign is cancer.From there it aspects 7H,9th and 11th.All these

houses will definetely have better/excellent results.Also find where lord of 3rd

is placed.If he is not strong,the house can not be strong and the planet there

can not give strong positive results.

Then we have to find lords of these houses,their placement so on so forth to

conclude whether the planet exalted and retrograde planets"give the effect of

debility".

one thing can be safely concluded that normally retrograde planets may lead to

some illness and ailments.It is possible that the patient may be asthematic or

problem in shoulders etc.

It is not fair therfore to conclude that retrograde planets give the effect of

debility.

Krishnan

 

nilesh joshi <niljoshi27 wrote:

Respected members,

 

It is said that planets that are exalted but

retrograde give the effect of debility. Is it really

true and does it have a mention in any of the sacred

texts.

 

And if the above is true does it apply on nodes which

are always retrograde.

 

 

Best Regards

 

Nilesh

 

 

 

 

 

--- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Bala ji,

Though Gems are status symbols,it is not correct to

say:Gems are introduced only by english merchants"as

these were used later by women and then for astro

purpose.

These are contributions made through various

civilizations.Even our relics use of vajras and

vaidhurya have been mentiond and kings used to gift

them

Thanx

krishnan

 

"Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan

wrote:

Dear Krishnanji

 

I read your article and it is really true that gems

are mysteries of its own.

 

Belief..faith....expectations are the wheels of

life....People want to do something for something to

happen...You can see many north indians wearing white

stone or blue stone just for fancy or show and also

for fortune.

 

If gems can change anyone's life then it should have

relation to birth and death also.Planets and earth we

know and the influence of them on earth and people

have been proved by many scriptures,purana texts and

scientists(rishis/rajas also).

 

Gems are introduced only by english merchants recently

and rajas/kings wearing them only to show the status

and pride.They differentiated status through ownership

of various things including these gems,stones also.

 

Your example is very realistic and many people are

made like this because of the dasa/bukthi they are

undergoing.....FATE IS SUPREME.

 

Bye

Balaji G

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

Dear Juliana,

Apart from affordability,I have seen that many people

rush to only those Astrologers who will suggest for

gemstones.They may not seek fee for consulatations but

will have commission from the Gem traders.

Due to negative impact of Gems many people have become

ill and unexpectedly got in to tragic situations.let

me brief you one incident:

One of my Secretary,a young lady(around 30s) used to

wear Yellow saphire on her middle finguer(Saturn) and

I noticed one day abruptly and quipped her why she

was wearing the gem on her middle finguer and told her

that she should change it.She said that some

Astrologer told that she should wear on that

finguer.Then I kept quite.May be after 3rd or 4th day

(after my talk with her) all of a sudden some body

brought the news that her husband committed suicide at

a place far off from her work place.

When I just reviewed the whole thing intuitively,It

appeared to me that she must be belonging to virgo

sign and her fourth is sagittarus and 7th is

pisces.ofcourse I have not seen her chart

I think her mars is in libra in 12 th.

Her husband used to run a real easte business and was

well off.They had two young children in successive

years.

Apart from yellow saphire she used to wear a diamond

and a pearl.It was very striking to me something wrong

with these kind of supplimentaries and have not found

a need for all these Gems.Astrologers some how

prescribe and people out of innocence buy them hoping

for better things to happen in their lives.It is not

just one incident I came across but sevaral.

Some how I do not wear nor suggest the need for

wearing stones/Gems.Even if some body suggests also to

me i think twice.I believe simply in some some

chantings,prayers and worship besides normal way of

taking care of have nots.of course some colour codes

for dresses and in the environment where they live and

work.

These practices have helped me immensely and also to

others to whom I have given advise.So my faith in

these forms of remedies is immense than in Gems.

krishnan

 

Juliana Swanson <omhamsa wrote:

Dear Wendy,

 

I agree that "gems are capable of uplifting the

vibrations of weak

or afflicted benefic (functional benefic)

planets...[but that] it's

cruel to recommend them to those who cannot afford

them." I have

found what may be an interesting solution to this

dilemma, for

people who cannot afford Jyotish gems or do not wish

to wear them

for any reason.

 

For example, I have some combinations in my own chart

that have

caused me to lose and break expensive Jyotish

prescribed gems again

and again. Komilla Sutton told me that this is

ultimately a good

thing, because the gems are taking karmas with them

when

they "disappear." Swami Muktananda used to say

something

similar about japa/mala beads breaking. The breaking

and/or loss of

gems and malas can indicate the end of an old cycle of

karma and the

beginning of a new one, just as breaking clear glass

may signify the

appearance of a new paradigm in one's life.

 

Anyway, I have been using gem elixirs as a substitute

for gems, with

some success. I find that the elixirs have a lighter

vibration than

the actual gems, so they can even be used to harmonize

the energy of

temporal malefics, in certain cases.

 

For anyone interested, the gem elixirs I use are made

my Dr. Lilli

Botchis at:

http://www.absolutelythepurest.com/other%

20parts/gemelixershome.html

 

I am eager to hear of others' ideas and experiences

with gem elixirs.

 

Thanks,

Juliana Swanson

 

 

 

 

 

Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart

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nodes are always malefic and it is a matter of view about exaltation and

debility of nodes

krishnan

 

nilesh joshi <niljoshi27 wrote:

Respected members,

 

It is said that planets that are exalted but

retrograde give the effect of debility. Is it really

true and does it have a mention in any of the sacred

texts.

 

And if the above is true does it apply on nodes which

are always retrograde.

 

 

Best Regards

 

Nilesh

 

 

 

 

 

--- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Bala ji,

Though Gems are status symbols,it is not correct to

say:Gems are introduced only by english merchants"as

these were used later by women and then for astro

purpose.

These are contributions made through various

civilizations.Even our relics use of vajras and

vaidhurya have been mentiond and kings used to gift

them

Thanx

krishnan

 

"Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan

wrote:

Dear Krishnanji

 

I read your article and it is really true that gems

are mysteries of its own.

 

Belief..faith....expectations are the wheels of

life....People want to do something for something to

happen...You can see many north indians wearing white

stone or blue stone just for fancy or show and also

for fortune.

 

If gems can change anyone's life then it should have

relation to birth and death also.Planets and earth we

know and the influence of them on earth and people

have been proved by many scriptures,purana texts and

scientists(rishis/rajas also).

 

Gems are introduced only by english merchants recently

and rajas/kings wearing them only to show the status

and pride.They differentiated status through ownership

of various things including these gems,stones also.

 

Your example is very realistic and many people are

made like this because of the dasa/bukthi they are

undergoing.....FATE IS SUPREME.

 

Bye

Balaji G

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

Dear Juliana,

Apart from affordability,I have seen that many people

rush to only those Astrologers who will suggest for

gemstones.They may not seek fee for consulatations but

will have commission from the Gem traders.

Due to negative impact of Gems many people have become

ill and unexpectedly got in to tragic situations.let

me brief you one incident:

One of my Secretary,a young lady(around 30s) used to

wear Yellow saphire on her middle finguer(Saturn) and

I noticed one day abruptly and quipped her why she

was wearing the gem on her middle finguer and told her

that she should change it.She said that some

Astrologer told that she should wear on that

finguer.Then I kept quite.May be after 3rd or 4th day

(after my talk with her) all of a sudden some body

brought the news that her husband committed suicide at

a place far off from her work place.

When I just reviewed the whole thing intuitively,It

appeared to me that she must be belonging to virgo

sign and her fourth is sagittarus and 7th is

pisces.ofcourse I have not seen her chart

I think her mars is in libra in 12 th.

Her husband used to run a real easte business and was

well off.They had two young children in successive

years.

Apart from yellow saphire she used to wear a diamond

and a pearl.It was very striking to me something wrong

with these kind of supplimentaries and have not found

a need for all these Gems.Astrologers some how

prescribe and people out of innocence buy them hoping

for better things to happen in their lives.It is not

just one incident I came across but sevaral.

Some how I do not wear nor suggest the need for

wearing stones/Gems.Even if some body suggests also to

me i think twice.I believe simply in some some

chantings,prayers and worship besides normal way of

taking care of have nots.of course some colour codes

for dresses and in the environment where they live and

work.

These practices have helped me immensely and also to

others to whom I have given advise.So my faith in

these forms of remedies is immense than in Gems.

krishnan

 

Juliana Swanson <omhamsa wrote:

Dear Wendy,

 

I agree that "gems are capable of uplifting the

vibrations of weak

or afflicted benefic (functional benefic)

planets...[but that] it's

cruel to recommend them to those who cannot afford

them." I have

found what may be an interesting solution to this

dilemma, for

people who cannot afford Jyotish gems or do not wish

to wear them

for any reason.

 

For example, I have some combinations in my own chart

that have

caused me to lose and break expensive Jyotish

prescribed gems again

and again. Komilla Sutton told me that this is

ultimately a good

thing, because the gems are taking karmas with them

when

they "disappear." Swami Muktananda used to say

something

similar about japa/mala beads breaking. The breaking

and/or loss of

gems and malas can indicate the end of an old cycle of

karma and the

beginning of a new one, just as breaking clear glass

may signify the

appearance of a new paradigm in one's life.

 

Anyway, I have been using gem elixirs as a substitute

for gems, with

some success. I find that the elixirs have a lighter

vibration than

the actual gems, so they can even be used to harmonize

the energy of

temporal malefics, in certain cases.

 

For anyone interested, the gem elixirs I use are made

my Dr. Lilli

Botchis at:

http://www.absolutelythepurest.com/other%

20parts/gemelixershome.html

 

I am eager to hear of others' ideas and experiences

with gem elixirs.

 

Thanks,

Juliana Swanson

 

 

 

 

 

Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart

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Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web.

 

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Thanks Krishnan ji,

 

nilesh

--- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Nilesh ji,

In fact classics say retrograde planets are very

powerful and now if we link with exaltation of the

planets,they should be more powerful.But Astrology

subjected is very farsighted it does not go just by

the avasthas of palnets.Avasthas are meant for status

of planets.Plents undergo several states and of them

are features of exaltation and retrogression.

Planets become retrograde as they go near to sun.Like

wise exaltation a particular planet at specific

degrees in a particular sign reaches exaltation.

Now you have benific and malefic planets and also

beinifc houses and malefic houses and like wise signs

also.

Take for example jupiter is in retrogression in 3rd

house(considered normally as malefic) and the sign is

cancer.From there it aspects 7H,9th and 11th.All

these houses will definetely have better/excellent

results.Also find where lord of 3rd is placed.If he is

not strong,the house can not be strong and the planet

there can not give strong positive results.

Then we have to find lords of these houses,their

placement so on so forth to conclude whether the

planet exalted and retrograde planets"give the effect

of debility".

one thing can be safely concluded that normally

retrograde planets may lead to some illness and

ailments.It is possible that the patient may be

asthematic or problem in shoulders etc.

It is not fair therfore to conclude that retrograde

planets give the effect of debility.

Krishnan

 

nilesh joshi <niljoshi27 wrote:

Respected members,

 

It is said that planets that are exalted but

retrograde give the effect of debility. Is it really

true and does it have a mention in any of the sacred

texts.

 

And if the above is true does it apply on nodes which

are always retrograde.

 

 

Best Regards

 

Nilesh

 

 

 

 

 

--- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Bala ji,

Though Gems are status symbols,it is not correct to

say:Gems are introduced only by english merchants"as

these were used later by women and then for astro

purpose.

These are contributions made through various

civilizations.Even our relics use of vajras and

vaidhurya have been mentiond and kings used to gift

them

Thanx

krishnan

 

"Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan

wrote:

Dear Krishnanji

 

I read your article and it is really true that gems

are mysteries of its own.

 

Belief..faith....expectations are the wheels of

life....People want to do something for something to

happen...You can see many north indians wearing white

stone or blue stone just for fancy or show and also

for fortune.

 

If gems can change anyone's life then it should have

relation to birth and death also.Planets and earth we

know and the influence of them on earth and people

have been proved by many scriptures,purana texts and

scientists(rishis/rajas also).

 

Gems are introduced only by english merchants recently

and rajas/kings wearing them only to show the status

and pride.They differentiated status through ownership

of various things including these gems,stones also.

 

Your example is very realistic and many people are

made like this because of the dasa/bukthi they are

undergoing.....FATE IS SUPREME.

 

Bye

Balaji G

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

Dear Juliana,

Apart from affordability,I have seen that many people

rush to only those Astrologers who will suggest for

gemstones.They may not seek fee for consulatations but

will have commission from the Gem traders.

Due to negative impact of Gems many people have become

ill and unexpectedly got in to tragic situations.let

me brief you one incident:

One of my Secretary,a young lady(around 30s) used to

wear Yellow saphire on her middle finguer(Saturn) and

I noticed one day abruptly and quipped her why she

was wearing the gem on her middle finguer and told her

that she should change it.She said that some

Astrologer told that she should wear on that

finguer.Then I kept quite.May be after 3rd or 4th day

(after my talk with her) all of a sudden some body

brought the news that her husband committed suicide at

a place far off from her work place.

When I just reviewed the whole thing intuitively,It

appeared to me that she must be belonging to virgo

sign and her fourth is sagittarus and 7th is

pisces.ofcourse I have not seen her chart

I think her mars is in libra in 12 th.

Her husband used to run a real easte business and was

well off.They had two young children in successive

years.

Apart from yellow saphire she used to wear a diamond

and a pearl.It was very striking to me something wrong

with these kind of supplimentaries and have not found

a need for all these Gems.Astrologers some how

prescribe and people out of innocence buy them hoping

for better things to happen in their lives.It is not

just one incident I came across but sevaral.

Some how I do not wear nor suggest the need for

wearing stones/Gems.Even if some body suggests also to

me i think twice.I believe simply in some some

chantings,prayers and worship besides normal way of

taking care of have nots.of course some colour codes

for dresses and in the environment where they live and

work.

These practices have helped me immensely and also to

others to whom I have given advise.So my faith in

these forms of remedies is immense than in Gems.

krishnan

 

Juliana Swanson <omhamsa wrote:

Dear Wendy,

 

I agree that "gems are capable of uplifting the

vibrations of weak

or afflicted benefic (functional benefic)

planets...[but that] it's

cruel to recommend them to those who cannot afford

them." I have

found what may be an interesting solution to this

dilemma, for

people who cannot afford Jyotish gems or do not wish

to wear them

for any reason.

 

For example, I have some combinations in my own chart

that have

caused me to lose and break expensive Jyotish

prescribed gems again

and again. Komilla Sutton told me that this is

ultimately a good

thing, because the gems are taking karmas with them

when

they "disappear." Swami Muktananda used to say

something

similar about japa/mala beads breaking. The breaking

and/or loss of

gems and malas can indicate the end of an old cycle of

karma and the

beginning of a new one, just as breaking clear glass

may signify the

appearance of a new paradigm in one's life.

 

Anyway, I have been using gem elixirs as a substitute

for gems, with

some success. I find that the elixirs have a lighter

vibration than

the actual gems, so they can even be used to harmonize

the energy of

temporal malefics, in certain cases.

 

For anyone interested, the gem elixirs I use are made

my Dr. Lilli

Botchis at:

http://www.absolutelythepurest.com/other%

20parts/gemelixershome.html

 

I am eager to hear of others' ideas and experiences

with gem elixirs.

 

Thanks,

Juliana Swanson

 

 

 

 

 

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