Arudha-Lagna

June 12, 2005

Dear Wendy and all,

Thank you so much for your elaborate reply, I will

keep this email saved on a special folder, so I won't

lose it.

You mention a few lagnas: Arudha-Lagna, Upapada-Lagna,

Chandra-Lagna, Bhava-Lagna and Hora-Lagna.

I would be particularly interested in knowing how we

calculate the Arudha-Lagna because I have heard of 2

versions:

One that says we should do it like you exemplify for

the Upapada lagna;

Another that says Arudha-Lagna can never be in the 1st

or 7th house, so for example, in my case, since I am

Capricorn rising and Saturn is in Aries, my AL would

be Aries, not Cancer.

Could you please confirm the calculation above for AL

is correct?

Thanks a million and it is great to have Wendy back!

Regards, Rui.

--- Wendy Vasicek <wenvas wrote:

> Dear David and All,

>

> It's appropriate to use the Jaimini chara karaka

> system along with

> Jaimini chara dasas (sign/rasi based dasas) in

> conjunction with rasi

> aspects...

>

> IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO USE THESE IN CONJUNCTION

> WITH PARASHARA'S

> VIMSOTTARI DASA SYSTEM, GRAHA ASPECTS, ETC..

>

> What does it take to get through the simple fact

> that Jaimini and

> Parashara are two entirely different methods of

> prediction?? Mixing

> them together leads to endless confusions. The

> choice of whether to

> use Jaimini or Parashara system is entirely up to

> each individual

> but can we (here at least) try to resist the

> temptation of mixing

> the two together.

>

> The following article by Finn Wandahl mirrors my own

> opinion on this

> issue...

>

> "Basic features of Jaimini Astrology:

> The knowledge that we have on Jaimini Astrology

> today is based on an

> ancient text known as Jaimini Sutras, which is

> divided into four

> chapters or Adhyayas, where this unique system of

> Hindu astrology

> has been explained in about 1000 sutras. In many

> cases the meaning

> of these sutras are very confusing and difficult to

> understand. The

> sutras in themselves are very short and concise in

> composition and a

> kind of coded language has been used. Naturally,

> this has lead to

> some errors and misunderstandings in the different

> translations and

> commentaries.

>

> However, a deep and serious study leaves the

> impression that there

> is a huge and superior intelligence behind these

> sutras. But since

> Jaimini-astrology is so much different from the

> usual

> Parasari-concept some further explanation is needed.

>

> The Jaimini Aspects:

> Normally we would say that all planets aspects the

> 7th house and

> further Mars aspects the 4th and 8th, Jupiter

> aspects the 5th and

> 9th and Saturn aspects the 3rd and 10th house from

> their location.

> But in Jaimini Astrology there is a completely

> different concept,

> since the aspects are connected to the Cardinal,

>

> Fixed and Common signs:

> a) Cardinal signs: Aries, Cancer, Libra and

> Capricorn.

> b) Fixed signs: Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and

> Aquarius.

> c) Common signs: Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and

> Pisces.

>

> The rules are very simple:

> 1) A planet in a Cardinal sign aspects all the Fixed

> signs, except

> the sign located next to it.

> 2) A planet in a Fixed sign aspects all the Cardinal

> signs, except

> the sign located previous to it,

> 3) A planet in a Common sign aspects the other three

> Common signs.

>

> If a planet is placed in say Aries, a Cardinal sign,

> then it will

> aspect Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius, but NOT Taurus,

> since Taurus is

> next to it.

>

> On the other hand, if we take a planet placed in

> Leo, which is a

> Fixed sign, then it will aspect Libra, Capricorn and

> Aries, but NOT

> Cancer, which is the previous sign.

>

> When a planet is placed in say Gemini, which a

> Common sign, then it

> will aspect Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces, since

> they are the other

> three Common signs.

>

> The Karakas:

> Normally, we consider karakatwa or significations to

> be always the

> same in case of each planet. We use the Sun for

> father, the Moon for

> mother, Mars for brothers, Jupiter for children,

> Venus for wife etc.

> etc. This kind of Karakas is known as

> Sthira-Karakas, meaning fixed

> significators.

>

> This is also the case in Jaimini Astrology, and the

> karakas are also

> to some extent the same. But Jaimini additionally

> suggest the use of

> the following seven Chara-Karakas, meaning the seven

> changeable

> significators:

>

> 1) Atmakaraka (Own self, considered the strongest

> planet)

> 2) Amatyakaraka (Career)

> 3) Bhratrukaraka (Brothers and sisters)

> 4) Matrukaraka (Mother)

> 5) Putrakaraka (Children)

> 6) Gnatikaraka (Cousins and relations)

> 7) Darakaraka (Husband, wife)

>

> These seven Karakas are simply identified from the

> precise degree,

> minutes and seconds obtained by the different

> planets. This way a

> planet at 29 degrees in any sign is considered to be

> stronger than a

> planet, which is only at 25 degrees in any sign.

>

> Except for Rahu and Ketu, the planet having most

> degrees in the sign

> occupied by him is considered to be the strongest

> planet in the

> horoscope and therefore it become the Atmakaraka.

>

> Following the same principle, the second strongest

> planet becomes

> Amatyakaraka, then comes Bhratrukaraka followed by

> Matrukaraka,

> Putrakaraka, Gnatikara and finally the Darakaraka,

> which is the

> planet having least degrees, minutes and seconds in

> the sign

> occupied by him.

>

> The special Lagnas:

> In Jaimini astrology a number of different

> Ascendants or Lagnas are

> involved obviously for a lot of different purposes.

> There are

> Arudha-Lagna, Upapada-Lagna, Chandra-Lagna,

> Bhava-Lagna, Hora-Lagna,

> Ghatika-Lagna, Nisheka-Lagna, Karakamsha-Lagna and

> Varada-Lagna just

> to mention some of them. I have found some of these

> Lagnas to be

> highly useful.

>

> Upapada:

> The Upapada-Lagna is found by counting as many signs

> from the

> 12th-lord as the 12th-lord is removed from the 12th

> house. This way,

> if the 12th house falls in Libra and Venus is in

> Capricorn, the 4th

> house from the 12th, then Upapada will be in Aries,

> which is the 4th

> from Capricorn.

>

> Upapada works like a kind of relationship-axis. It

> can be used in

> cooperation with the normal Ascendant to get a

> second opinion about

> elder and younger coborns from the 3rd and 11th

> house and about

> children from the 5th and 9th houses. In the same

> way the 2nd and

> 7th houses from Upapada can be used profitably in

> connection to

> marriage and family.

>

> The 5th and 9th house can be used as a second

> opinion on children by

> employing Jaimini's special system of

> children-planets from both

> Ascendant and Upapada:

>

> 1) Bahuputra grahas: Sun, Jupiter and Rahu (children

> producing

> planets)

> 2) Ekaputra grahas: Moon (Giver of only one son -

> meaning mostly

>

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June 12, 2005

Dear Rui,

Actually I'm not "back" per se as my participation will be rather

limited for a little while longer...

In answer to your question. here is what Parashara has to say:

"4-5. SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS:

The same house or the 7th from it does not become its Pada. When the

Pada falls in the same house, the 10th therefrom be treated as its

Pada. Similarly when the 7th becomes the Pada of a house, the 4th

from the original house in question be treated as its Pada. If the

ruler of a bhava be in the 4th from the bhava, then the very house

occupied be noted as the Pada."

You can read more on this at: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch29.htm

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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