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Dear Friends,

 

I was reading this email below and the following doubt

occurred to me regarding atma karak because my Vedic

Astrology teacher in Galway told me my atma karak was

RAHU... Now, is Jiger Shag correct about rahu and ketu

never being a atma karak - i have always wondered why

my atma karak was rahu and not ketu... could someone

please explain whether the nodes can be atma karak or

not?

 

Thanks, Rui

 

--- jiger shah <jigershah wrote:

 

> what is the place of birth I need the name

>

> and rahu can never be an atma karak as ketu also

> has the same degree

>

> and cant have that only 7 karak scheme is

> acceptable

> -

>

> rakeshv_happy<rakeshv_happy

> To:

>

jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya>

>

> Friday, June 10, 2005 12:41 AM

> Help-URGENT :my sister

> absconded & married a widower!!!

>

>

> Respected gurus & members,

>

> I need help from you regarding this problem,

> My sister absconded from home on 17-may-2005 &

> informed us by phone

> that she married her colleague(who is a second

> marriage person).

>

> till date we dont know where she is, as she is

> unwilling to tell us

> as this act badly effecting my family reputation,

> my parents becoming

> weak day by day.

>

> *****as per her horoscope Is there any chance for

> her return to home

> & getting married once again?

>

> although I have some knowledge of astrology , I

> failed to predict

> such an event, my observations as her horoscope

> are:

>

> 1)exchange of houses between lords of 5,7

> houses(ven,jup) leading to

> love affair(whether it succeds/fails?)

> 2)dara karaka mercury weak

> 3)atmakaraka rahu weak & in dharma bhava

> 4)rasi belonging to mars in the trimsams of

> venus---as

> When Lagn, or Candr is in a Rashi, belonging to

> Mangal, the woman,

> born in a Trimsams of Mangal, will have illicit

> relations with a man

> before marriage. If she be born in Trimsams of

> Sukr, she will become

> unchaste after marriage;

>

>

> Birth data:

>

> date:26-11-81

> time:6:25 AM (INDIA)

> place:78.50E; 17.25N

>

> Rakesh.

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the right was is to follow 7 karak scheme and ignore ra ke

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Saturday, June 11, 2005 9:19 AM

Rahu atma karak ???

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

I was reading this email below and the following doubt

occurred to me regarding atma karak because my Vedic

Astrology teacher in Galway told me my atma karak was

RAHU... Now, is Jiger Shag correct about rahu and ketu

never being a atma karak - i have always wondered why

my atma karak was rahu and not ketu... could someone

please explain whether the nodes can be atma karak or

not?

 

Thanks, Rui

 

--- jiger shah <jigershah wrote:

 

> what is the place of birth I need the name

>

> and rahu can never be an atma karak as ketu also

> has the same degree

>

> and cant have that only 7 karak scheme is

> acceptable

> -

>

> rakeshv_happy<rakeshv_happy

> To:

>

jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya>

>

> Friday, June 10, 2005 12:41 AM

> Help-URGENT :my sister

> absconded & married a widower!!!

>

>

> Respected gurus & members,

>

> I need help from you regarding this problem,

> My sister absconded from home on 17-may-2005 &

> informed us by phone

> that she married her colleague(who is a second

> marriage person).

>

> till date we dont know where she is, as she is

> unwilling to tell us

> as this act badly effecting my family reputation,

> my parents becoming

> weak day by day.

>

> *****as per her horoscope Is there any chance for

> her return to home

> & getting married once again?

>

> although I have some knowledge of astrology , I

> failed to predict

> such an event, my observations as her horoscope

> are:

>

> 1)exchange of houses between lords of 5,7

> houses(ven,jup) leading to

> love affair(whether it succeds/fails?)

> 2)dara karaka mercury weak

> 3)atmakaraka rahu weak & in dharma bhava

> 4)rasi belonging to mars in the trimsams of

> venus---as

> When Lagn, or Candr is in a Rashi, belonging to

> Mangal, the woman,

> born in a Trimsams of Mangal, will have illicit

> relations with a man

> before marriage. If she be born in Trimsams of

> Sukr, she will become

> unchaste after marriage;

>

>

> Birth data:

>

> date:26-11-81

> time:6:25 AM (INDIA)

> place:78.50E; 17.25N

>

> Rakesh.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Links

>

>

>

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jyotish-vidya/<jyoti\

sh-vidya/><jyotish-vidya/</\

group/jyotish-vidya/>>

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Dear Rui,

Jaimini's Chara dasa takes into account the seven planets and Rahu, the north

node.

Shri K.N. Rao brought about a change in its use by excluding the use of the

nodes.

His "Predicting Through Jaimini's Chara Dasa" will give you a better

understanding of Chara Dasha as practised by Shri K. N. Rao and his followers.

I believe that Shri Jiger Shah is referring to Sri K.N. Rao's method of

prediction of Chara Dasa.

As per the Chara Dasa system as propounded by Sage Jaimini your atmakaraka could

be Rahu.

 

David

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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PM <rupamede wrote:

Dear Friends,

 

I was reading this email below and the following doubt

occurred to me regarding atma karak because my Vedic

Astrology teacher in Galway told me my atma karak was

RAHU... Now, is Jiger Shag correct about rahu and ketu

never being a atma karak - i have always wondered why

my atma karak was rahu and not ketu... could someone

please explain whether the nodes can be atma karak or

not?

 

Thanks, Rui

 

--- jiger shah <jigershah wrote:

 

> what is the place of birth I need the name

>

> and rahu can never be an atma karak as ketu also

> has the same degree

>

> and cant have that only 7 karak scheme is

> acceptable

> -

>

> rakeshv_happy<rakeshv_happy

> To:

>

jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya>

>

> Friday, June 10, 2005 12:41 AM

> Help-URGENT :my sister

> absconded & married a widower!!!

>

>

> Respected gurus & members,

>

> I need help from you regarding this problem,

> My sister absconded from home on 17-may-2005 &

> informed us by phone

> that she married her colleague(who is a second

> marriage person).

>

> till date we dont know where she is, as she is

> unwilling to tell us

> as this act badly effecting my family reputation,

> my parents becoming

> weak day by day.

>

> *****as per her horoscope Is there any chance for

> her return to home

> & getting married once again?

>

> although I have some knowledge of astrology , I

> failed to predict

> such an event, my observations as her horoscope

> are:

>

> 1)exchange of houses between lords of 5,7

> houses(ven,jup) leading to

> love affair(whether it succeds/fails?)

> 2)dara karaka mercury weak

> 3)atmakaraka rahu weak & in dharma bhava

> 4)rasi belonging to mars in the trimsams of

> venus---as

> When Lagn, or Candr is in a Rashi, belonging to

> Mangal, the woman,

> born in a Trimsams of Mangal, will have illicit

> relations with a man

> before marriage. If she be born in Trimsams of

> Sukr, she will become

> unchaste after marriage;

>

>

> Birth data:

>

> date:26-11-81

> time:6:25 AM (INDIA)

> place:78.50E; 17.25N

>

> Rakesh.

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

> Links

>

>

>

>

jyotish-vidya/<jyoti\

sh-vidya/>

>

> b.. To from this group, send an

> email to:

>

>

jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya-@\

groups.com?subject=Un>

>

> c.. Your use of is subject to the

> Terms of

> Service<>.

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear David and All,

 

It's appropriate to use the Jaimini chara karaka system along with

Jaimini chara dasas (sign/rasi based dasas) in conjunction with rasi

aspects...

 

IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO USE THESE IN CONJUNCTION WITH PARASHARA'S

VIMSOTTARI DASA SYSTEM, GRAHA ASPECTS, ETC..

 

What does it take to get through the simple fact that Jaimini and

Parashara are two entirely different methods of prediction?? Mixing

them together leads to endless confusions. The choice of whether to

use Jaimini or Parashara system is entirely up to each individual

but can we (here at least) try to resist the temptation of mixing

the two together.

 

The following article by Finn Wandahl mirrors my own opinion on this

issue...

 

"Basic features of Jaimini Astrology:

The knowledge that we have on Jaimini Astrology today is based on an

ancient text known as Jaimini Sutras, which is divided into four

chapters or Adhyayas, where this unique system of Hindu astrology

has been explained in about 1000 sutras. In many cases the meaning

of these sutras are very confusing and difficult to understand. The

sutras in themselves are very short and concise in composition and a

kind of coded language has been used. Naturally, this has lead to

some errors and misunderstandings in the different translations and

commentaries.

 

However, a deep and serious study leaves the impression that there

is a huge and superior intelligence behind these sutras. But since

Jaimini-astrology is so much different from the usual

Parasari-concept some further explanation is needed.

 

The Jaimini Aspects:

Normally we would say that all planets aspects the 7th house and

further Mars aspects the 4th and 8th, Jupiter aspects the 5th and

9th and Saturn aspects the 3rd and 10th house from their location.

But in Jaimini Astrology there is a completely different concept,

since the aspects are connected to the Cardinal,

 

Fixed and Common signs:

a) Cardinal signs: Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn.

b) Fixed signs: Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius.

c) Common signs: Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces.

 

The rules are very simple:

1) A planet in a Cardinal sign aspects all the Fixed signs, except

the sign located next to it.

2) A planet in a Fixed sign aspects all the Cardinal signs, except

the sign located previous to it,

3) A planet in a Common sign aspects the other three Common signs.

 

If a planet is placed in say Aries, a Cardinal sign, then it will

aspect Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius, but NOT Taurus, since Taurus is

next to it.

 

On the other hand, if we take a planet placed in Leo, which is a

Fixed sign, then it will aspect Libra, Capricorn and Aries, but NOT

Cancer, which is the previous sign.

 

When a planet is placed in say Gemini, which a Common sign, then it

will aspect Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces, since they are the other

three Common signs.

 

The Karakas:

Normally, we consider karakatwa or significations to be always the

same in case of each planet. We use the Sun for father, the Moon for

mother, Mars for brothers, Jupiter for children, Venus for wife etc.

etc. This kind of Karakas is known as Sthira-Karakas, meaning fixed

significators.

 

This is also the case in Jaimini Astrology, and the karakas are also

to some extent the same. But Jaimini additionally suggest the use of

the following seven Chara-Karakas, meaning the seven changeable

significators:

 

1) Atmakaraka (Own self, considered the strongest planet)

2) Amatyakaraka (Career)

3) Bhratrukaraka (Brothers and sisters)

4) Matrukaraka (Mother)

5) Putrakaraka (Children)

6) Gnatikaraka (Cousins and relations)

7) Darakaraka (Husband, wife)

 

These seven Karakas are simply identified from the precise degree,

minutes and seconds obtained by the different planets. This way a

planet at 29 degrees in any sign is considered to be stronger than a

planet, which is only at 25 degrees in any sign.

 

Except for Rahu and Ketu, the planet having most degrees in the sign

occupied by him is considered to be the strongest planet in the

horoscope and therefore it become the Atmakaraka.

 

Following the same principle, the second strongest planet becomes

Amatyakaraka, then comes Bhratrukaraka followed by Matrukaraka,

Putrakaraka, Gnatikara and finally the Darakaraka, which is the

planet having least degrees, minutes and seconds in the sign

occupied by him.

 

The special Lagnas:

In Jaimini astrology a number of different Ascendants or Lagnas are

involved obviously for a lot of different purposes. There are

Arudha-Lagna, Upapada-Lagna, Chandra-Lagna, Bhava-Lagna, Hora-Lagna,

Ghatika-Lagna, Nisheka-Lagna, Karakamsha-Lagna and Varada-Lagna just

to mention some of them. I have found some of these Lagnas to be

highly useful.

 

Upapada:

The Upapada-Lagna is found by counting as many signs from the

12th-lord as the 12th-lord is removed from the 12th house. This way,

if the 12th house falls in Libra and Venus is in Capricorn, the 4th

house from the 12th, then Upapada will be in Aries, which is the 4th

from Capricorn.

 

Upapada works like a kind of relationship-axis. It can be used in

cooperation with the normal Ascendant to get a second opinion about

elder and younger coborns from the 3rd and 11th house and about

children from the 5th and 9th houses. In the same way the 2nd and

7th houses from Upapada can be used profitably in connection to

marriage and family.

 

The 5th and 9th house can be used as a second opinion on children by

employing Jaimini's special system of children-planets from both

Ascendant and Upapada:

 

1) Bahuputra grahas: Sun, Jupiter and Rahu (children producing

planets)

2) Ekaputra grahas: Moon (Giver of only one son - meaning mostly

daughters)

3) Anapatya grahas: Mercury, Venus, Saturn, Mars (Not children

producing)

 

However, I only think Upapada should be used in connection to

relations like marriage, sibling and children. To find out about

profession, educations, land and house etc., I would use the

Karakamsha.

 

Karakamsha:

The Karakamsha-Lagna is simply identified from the Navamsa occupied

by the Atmakaraka. But the Karakamsha is used in the birth-chart

(Rasi Chakra) rather than the Navamsa-Chart.

 

This was clearly explained for the very first time in Mr. K. N.

Rao's book Karakamsha and Jaimini's Mandooka Dasha, and this

information opened a whole new dimension to me, since a number of

important predictions can be given based on Karakamsha.

 

Jaimini himself is very specific about this and has explained about

the meaning of the planets in the 12 houses from Karakamsha in a

very elaborate manner covering almost a complete chapter in his

Jaimini Sutras.

 

The Jaimini Dashas:

In Jaimini-astrology the Dasa-systems are based on Rasis or signs

and not on Nakshatras and planets like in Vimsottari Dasa etc. There

are many different Dasas in Jaimini like Chara-Dasa, Sthira-Dasa,

Trikona-Dasa, Shoola-Dasa, Varnada-Dasa, Navamsa-Dasa, Brahma-Dasa,

Yogardha-Dasa, Drig-Dasa and Mandooka-dasa just to mention a few of

them.

 

However, with many of these Dasas there seem to be certain

conditions like planetary patterns that have to be fulfilled,

meaning that many of the Dasa-systems should not be used unless

their particular conditions are present in the horoscope under

consideration.

 

Only four of these Dasa-systems seem to be for universal use for all

horoscopes:

1) Chara-Dasa

2) Sthira-Dasa

3) Niryana-Shoola-Dasa

4) Navamsa-Dasa.

 

These unique sign-based Dasa-systems are the backbone of the timing

of the events in Jaimini Astrology, and if used together with the

transits it is possible to make fairly accurate predictions from

them simply by following the predictive rules given in Jaimini

Sutras combined with good judgement and practical experience."

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

 

Dear Rui,

Jaimini's Chara dasa takes into account the seven planets and Rahu,

the north node.

Shri K.N. Rao brought about a change in its use by excluding the

use of the nodes.

His "Predicting Through Jaimini's Chara Dasa" will give you a better

understanding of Chara Dasha as practised by Shri K. N. Rao and his

followers.

I believe that Shri Jiger Shah is referring to Sri K.N. Rao's method

of prediction of Chara Dasa.

As per the Chara Dasa system as propounded by Sage Jaimini your

atmakaraka could be Rahu.

 

David

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