Guest guest Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Dear Friends, I was reading this email below and the following doubt occurred to me regarding atma karak because my Vedic Astrology teacher in Galway told me my atma karak was RAHU... Now, is Jiger Shag correct about rahu and ketu never being a atma karak - i have always wondered why my atma karak was rahu and not ketu... could someone please explain whether the nodes can be atma karak or not? Thanks, Rui --- jiger shah <jigershah wrote: > what is the place of birth I need the name > > and rahu can never be an atma karak as ketu also > has the same degree > > and cant have that only 7 karak scheme is > acceptable > - > > rakeshv_happy<rakeshv_happy > To: > jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya> > > Friday, June 10, 2005 12:41 AM > Help-URGENT :my sister > absconded & married a widower!!! > > > Respected gurus & members, > > I need help from you regarding this problem, > My sister absconded from home on 17-may-2005 & > informed us by phone > that she married her colleague(who is a second > marriage person). > > till date we dont know where she is, as she is > unwilling to tell us > as this act badly effecting my family reputation, > my parents becoming > weak day by day. > > *****as per her horoscope Is there any chance for > her return to home > & getting married once again? > > although I have some knowledge of astrology , I > failed to predict > such an event, my observations as her horoscope > are: > > 1)exchange of houses between lords of 5,7 > houses(ven,jup) leading to > love affair(whether it succeds/fails?) > 2)dara karaka mercury weak > 3)atmakaraka rahu weak & in dharma bhava > 4)rasi belonging to mars in the trimsams of > venus---as > When Lagn, or Candr is in a Rashi, belonging to > Mangal, the woman, > born in a Trimsams of Mangal, will have illicit > relations with a man > before marriage. If she be born in Trimsams of > Sukr, she will become > unchaste after marriage; > > > Birth data: > > date:26-11-81 > time:6:25 AM (INDIA) > place:78.50E; 17.25N > > Rakesh. > > > > > > > Links > > > > jyotish-vidya/<jyoti\ sh-vidya/> > > b.. To from this group, send an > email to: > > jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya-@\ groups.com?subject=Un> > > c.. Your use of is subject to the > Terms of > Service<>. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > _________ Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 the right was is to follow 7 karak scheme and ignore ra ke - RPM<rupamede jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya> Saturday, June 11, 2005 9:19 AM Rahu atma karak ??? Dear Friends, I was reading this email below and the following doubt occurred to me regarding atma karak because my Vedic Astrology teacher in Galway told me my atma karak was RAHU... Now, is Jiger Shag correct about rahu and ketu never being a atma karak - i have always wondered why my atma karak was rahu and not ketu... could someone please explain whether the nodes can be atma karak or not? Thanks, Rui --- jiger shah <jigershah wrote: > what is the place of birth I need the name > > and rahu can never be an atma karak as ketu also > has the same degree > > and cant have that only 7 karak scheme is > acceptable > - > > rakeshv_happy<rakeshv_happy > To: > jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya> > > Friday, June 10, 2005 12:41 AM > Help-URGENT :my sister > absconded & married a widower!!! > > > Respected gurus & members, > > I need help from you regarding this problem, > My sister absconded from home on 17-may-2005 & > informed us by phone > that she married her colleague(who is a second > marriage person). > > till date we dont know where she is, as she is > unwilling to tell us > as this act badly effecting my family reputation, > my parents becoming > weak day by day. > > *****as per her horoscope Is there any chance for > her return to home > & getting married once again? > > although I have some knowledge of astrology , I > failed to predict > such an event, my observations as her horoscope > are: > > 1)exchange of houses between lords of 5,7 > houses(ven,jup) leading to > love affair(whether it succeds/fails?) > 2)dara karaka mercury weak > 3)atmakaraka rahu weak & in dharma bhava > 4)rasi belonging to mars in the trimsams of > venus---as > When Lagn, or Candr is in a Rashi, belonging to > Mangal, the woman, > born in a Trimsams of Mangal, will have illicit > relations with a man > before marriage. If she be born in Trimsams of > Sukr, she will become > unchaste after marriage; > > > Birth data: > > date:26-11-81 > time:6:25 AM (INDIA) > place:78.50E; 17.25N > > Rakesh. > > > > > > > Links > > > > jyotish-vidya/<jyoti\ sh-vidya/><jyotish-vidya/</\ group/jyotish-vidya/>> > > b.. To from this group, send an > email to: > > jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya-@\ groups.com?subject=Un> > > c.. Your use of is subject to the > Terms of > Service<<>>. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > _________ Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.<http://uk.messenger./> Links jyotish-vidya/<jyoti\ sh-vidya/> b.. jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya-@\ groups.com?subject=Un> c.. Terms of Service<>. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Dear Rui, Jaimini's Chara dasa takes into account the seven planets and Rahu, the north node. Shri K.N. Rao brought about a change in its use by excluding the use of the nodes. His "Predicting Through Jaimini's Chara Dasa" will give you a better understanding of Chara Dasha as practised by Shri K. N. Rao and his followers. I believe that Shri Jiger Shah is referring to Sri K.N. Rao's method of prediction of Chara Dasa. As per the Chara Dasa system as propounded by Sage Jaimini your atmakaraka could be Rahu. David ' PM <rupamede wrote: Dear Friends, I was reading this email below and the following doubt occurred to me regarding atma karak because my Vedic Astrology teacher in Galway told me my atma karak was RAHU... Now, is Jiger Shag correct about rahu and ketu never being a atma karak - i have always wondered why my atma karak was rahu and not ketu... could someone please explain whether the nodes can be atma karak or not? Thanks, Rui --- jiger shah <jigershah wrote: > what is the place of birth I need the name > > and rahu can never be an atma karak as ketu also > has the same degree > > and cant have that only 7 karak scheme is > acceptable > - > > rakeshv_happy<rakeshv_happy > To: > jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya> > > Friday, June 10, 2005 12:41 AM > Help-URGENT :my sister > absconded & married a widower!!! > > > Respected gurus & members, > > I need help from you regarding this problem, > My sister absconded from home on 17-may-2005 & > informed us by phone > that she married her colleague(who is a second > marriage person). > > till date we dont know where she is, as she is > unwilling to tell us > as this act badly effecting my family reputation, > my parents becoming > weak day by day. > > *****as per her horoscope Is there any chance for > her return to home > & getting married once again? > > although I have some knowledge of astrology , I > failed to predict > such an event, my observations as her horoscope > are: > > 1)exchange of houses between lords of 5,7 > houses(ven,jup) leading to > love affair(whether it succeds/fails?) > 2)dara karaka mercury weak > 3)atmakaraka rahu weak & in dharma bhava > 4)rasi belonging to mars in the trimsams of > venus---as > When Lagn, or Candr is in a Rashi, belonging to > Mangal, the woman, > born in a Trimsams of Mangal, will have illicit > relations with a man > before marriage. If she be born in Trimsams of > Sukr, she will become > unchaste after marriage; > > > Birth data: > > date:26-11-81 > time:6:25 AM (INDIA) > place:78.50E; 17.25N > > Rakesh. > > > > > > > Links > > > > jyotish-vidya/<jyoti\ sh-vidya/> > > b.. To from this group, send an > email to: > > jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya-@\ groups.com?subject=Un> > > c.. Your use of is subject to the > Terms of > Service<>. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > _________ Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger. jyotish-vidya/ jyotish-vidya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Dear David and All, It's appropriate to use the Jaimini chara karaka system along with Jaimini chara dasas (sign/rasi based dasas) in conjunction with rasi aspects... IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO USE THESE IN CONJUNCTION WITH PARASHARA'S VIMSOTTARI DASA SYSTEM, GRAHA ASPECTS, ETC.. What does it take to get through the simple fact that Jaimini and Parashara are two entirely different methods of prediction?? Mixing them together leads to endless confusions. The choice of whether to use Jaimini or Parashara system is entirely up to each individual but can we (here at least) try to resist the temptation of mixing the two together. The following article by Finn Wandahl mirrors my own opinion on this issue... "Basic features of Jaimini Astrology: The knowledge that we have on Jaimini Astrology today is based on an ancient text known as Jaimini Sutras, which is divided into four chapters or Adhyayas, where this unique system of Hindu astrology has been explained in about 1000 sutras. In many cases the meaning of these sutras are very confusing and difficult to understand. The sutras in themselves are very short and concise in composition and a kind of coded language has been used. Naturally, this has lead to some errors and misunderstandings in the different translations and commentaries. However, a deep and serious study leaves the impression that there is a huge and superior intelligence behind these sutras. But since Jaimini-astrology is so much different from the usual Parasari-concept some further explanation is needed. The Jaimini Aspects: Normally we would say that all planets aspects the 7th house and further Mars aspects the 4th and 8th, Jupiter aspects the 5th and 9th and Saturn aspects the 3rd and 10th house from their location. But in Jaimini Astrology there is a completely different concept, since the aspects are connected to the Cardinal, Fixed and Common signs: a) Cardinal signs: Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn. b) Fixed signs: Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius. c) Common signs: Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces. The rules are very simple: 1) A planet in a Cardinal sign aspects all the Fixed signs, except the sign located next to it. 2) A planet in a Fixed sign aspects all the Cardinal signs, except the sign located previous to it, 3) A planet in a Common sign aspects the other three Common signs. If a planet is placed in say Aries, a Cardinal sign, then it will aspect Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius, but NOT Taurus, since Taurus is next to it. On the other hand, if we take a planet placed in Leo, which is a Fixed sign, then it will aspect Libra, Capricorn and Aries, but NOT Cancer, which is the previous sign. When a planet is placed in say Gemini, which a Common sign, then it will aspect Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces, since they are the other three Common signs. The Karakas: Normally, we consider karakatwa or significations to be always the same in case of each planet. We use the Sun for father, the Moon for mother, Mars for brothers, Jupiter for children, Venus for wife etc. etc. This kind of Karakas is known as Sthira-Karakas, meaning fixed significators. This is also the case in Jaimini Astrology, and the karakas are also to some extent the same. But Jaimini additionally suggest the use of the following seven Chara-Karakas, meaning the seven changeable significators: 1) Atmakaraka (Own self, considered the strongest planet) 2) Amatyakaraka (Career) 3) Bhratrukaraka (Brothers and sisters) 4) Matrukaraka (Mother) 5) Putrakaraka (Children) 6) Gnatikaraka (Cousins and relations) 7) Darakaraka (Husband, wife) These seven Karakas are simply identified from the precise degree, minutes and seconds obtained by the different planets. This way a planet at 29 degrees in any sign is considered to be stronger than a planet, which is only at 25 degrees in any sign. Except for Rahu and Ketu, the planet having most degrees in the sign occupied by him is considered to be the strongest planet in the horoscope and therefore it become the Atmakaraka. Following the same principle, the second strongest planet becomes Amatyakaraka, then comes Bhratrukaraka followed by Matrukaraka, Putrakaraka, Gnatikara and finally the Darakaraka, which is the planet having least degrees, minutes and seconds in the sign occupied by him. The special Lagnas: In Jaimini astrology a number of different Ascendants or Lagnas are involved obviously for a lot of different purposes. There are Arudha-Lagna, Upapada-Lagna, Chandra-Lagna, Bhava-Lagna, Hora-Lagna, Ghatika-Lagna, Nisheka-Lagna, Karakamsha-Lagna and Varada-Lagna just to mention some of them. I have found some of these Lagnas to be highly useful. Upapada: The Upapada-Lagna is found by counting as many signs from the 12th-lord as the 12th-lord is removed from the 12th house. This way, if the 12th house falls in Libra and Venus is in Capricorn, the 4th house from the 12th, then Upapada will be in Aries, which is the 4th from Capricorn. Upapada works like a kind of relationship-axis. It can be used in cooperation with the normal Ascendant to get a second opinion about elder and younger coborns from the 3rd and 11th house and about children from the 5th and 9th houses. In the same way the 2nd and 7th houses from Upapada can be used profitably in connection to marriage and family. The 5th and 9th house can be used as a second opinion on children by employing Jaimini's special system of children-planets from both Ascendant and Upapada: 1) Bahuputra grahas: Sun, Jupiter and Rahu (children producing planets) 2) Ekaputra grahas: Moon (Giver of only one son - meaning mostly daughters) 3) Anapatya grahas: Mercury, Venus, Saturn, Mars (Not children producing) However, I only think Upapada should be used in connection to relations like marriage, sibling and children. To find out about profession, educations, land and house etc., I would use the Karakamsha. Karakamsha: The Karakamsha-Lagna is simply identified from the Navamsa occupied by the Atmakaraka. But the Karakamsha is used in the birth-chart (Rasi Chakra) rather than the Navamsa-Chart. This was clearly explained for the very first time in Mr. K. N. Rao's book Karakamsha and Jaimini's Mandooka Dasha, and this information opened a whole new dimension to me, since a number of important predictions can be given based on Karakamsha. Jaimini himself is very specific about this and has explained about the meaning of the planets in the 12 houses from Karakamsha in a very elaborate manner covering almost a complete chapter in his Jaimini Sutras. The Jaimini Dashas: In Jaimini-astrology the Dasa-systems are based on Rasis or signs and not on Nakshatras and planets like in Vimsottari Dasa etc. There are many different Dasas in Jaimini like Chara-Dasa, Sthira-Dasa, Trikona-Dasa, Shoola-Dasa, Varnada-Dasa, Navamsa-Dasa, Brahma-Dasa, Yogardha-Dasa, Drig-Dasa and Mandooka-dasa just to mention a few of them. However, with many of these Dasas there seem to be certain conditions like planetary patterns that have to be fulfilled, meaning that many of the Dasa-systems should not be used unless their particular conditions are present in the horoscope under consideration. Only four of these Dasa-systems seem to be for universal use for all horoscopes: 1) Chara-Dasa 2) Sthira-Dasa 3) Niryana-Shoola-Dasa 4) Navamsa-Dasa. These unique sign-based Dasa-systems are the backbone of the timing of the events in Jaimini Astrology, and if used together with the transits it is possible to make fairly accurate predictions from them simply by following the predictive rules given in Jaimini Sutras combined with good judgement and practical experience." Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Dear Rui, Jaimini's Chara dasa takes into account the seven planets and Rahu, the north node. Shri K.N. Rao brought about a change in its use by excluding the use of the nodes. His "Predicting Through Jaimini's Chara Dasa" will give you a better understanding of Chara Dasha as practised by Shri K. N. Rao and his followers. I believe that Shri Jiger Shah is referring to Sri K.N. Rao's method of prediction of Chara Dasa. As per the Chara Dasa system as propounded by Sage Jaimini your atmakaraka could be Rahu. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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