Chart Reflection of Two requested - SA Transit conflict

June 5, 2005

To all the learned Members of Jyotish Vidya,

I have in the past experienced when I request an answer or

explanation to a question/s that I have on this forum that I am

generously responded to.

I have below two charts that I would appreciate those so inclined to

take a look at for me.

The charts are of a young couple who married 8/14/2003.

Their charts are interesting in themselves because of how they

overlay each other. With Saturn now transiting the sign of Cancer

there is an extra tension on this marriage and their direction for

the future.

I am particularly drawn to the SU combustion on the male's three of

four planets and ASC in chart in his first house Cancer that is now

also being aspected by Saturn.

When I look at the female chart I am drawn to all the conjs then,

with Sun combust her Mercury.

Too, with Sa transiting Cancer it is right on top of Virgo (her

fifth house) as is the male's first house to this females fifth house

Virgo.(third house aspect) Also, Jupiter and Ketu are transisting

Virgo which is aggravating boh of them

On top of everything else the SA transit is the first Saturn return

of development for both.

Of course there are other conditions in each of these charts

including the ever so important JU being palced in both of their sign

Taurus - his 11th and her 1st.

Looking at the Nakshatra rulers say that these two are more similar

than oppoisite and this could be the problem - but I am not sure.

How their adverse sides of their Nakshatra rulers can really spoil

what drew them together in what was in the first place all their good

sides of their rulers and commonality.

There is significant disturbance in the relationship these last few

months with the added problem that they sold their home last November

to be separated in two different states for a fews weeks while they

changed their lives and work outlook. It is now June and a few weeks

has turned into almost seven months with no real solution in sight

that will be satisfactory for both.

I have counciled them that they are experiencing a tremendous

development maturity change in their lives and especially for the

male he is in the midst of trying to find himself. Also, I am

holding out hope that a decision will be made between the end of July

and middle of August right around their second anniversary. I don't

think it looks good for the couple for their future as a couple but

holding out for hope.

This is where I have come to this forum to receive some feedback on

where I am coming from and how to look at the situaton with different

eyes.

Its the transits that are setting off the changes.

Would appreciate any other prespective and feedback. THANKS

Uttara

Charts below:

FEMALE

Current Maha Dasa: VE VE RA ME

Natal Chart

September 19, 1976

Time: 21:49:00

Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"

Chicago, Illinois, USA

Ayanamsa: 23-32-04.70

Sidereal Time: 20:54:54

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

Lagna 12 Ta 32' 13.02" Rohi 1 Ta Ar

Sun - DK 3 Vi 44' 24.25" UPha 3 Vi Aq

Moon - PiK 14 Cn 06' 59.55" Push 4 Cn Sc

Mars - AmK 23 Vi 56' 46.93" Chit 1 Vi Le

Mercury ® - PK 7 Vi 44' 03.01" UPha 4 Vi Pi

Jupiter ® - GK 7 Ta 40' 23.34" Krit 4 Ta Pi

Venus - AK 29 Vi 02' 39.12" Chit 2 Vi Vi

Saturn - BK 19 Cn 22' 25.14" Asre 1 Cn Sg

Rahu - MK 11 Li 47' 56.34" Swat 2 Li Cp

Ketu 11 Ar 47' 56.34" Aswi 4 Ar Cn

Maandi 23 Ta 56' 10.39" Mrig 1 Ta Le

Gulika 11 Ta 45' 02.05" Rohi 1 Ta Ar

Uranus 11 Li 32' 22.37" Swat 2 Li Cp

Neptune 17 Sc 52' 38.96" Jye 1 Sc Sg

Pluto 17 Vi 30' 04.87" Hast 3 Vi Ge

Ghati Lagna 29 Li 55' 58.86" Visa 3 Li Ge

+--------------+

| |Ke |As JuR | |

| | | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

| | |Mo Sa |

| | | |

|-----------| Rasi |-----------|

|AL | | |

| | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

| | | | |

+--------------+

| | | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

|Su | |Ke |

| | | |

| | Navamsa | |

|-----------| |-----------|

|Ra | D-9 |Ma Md |

| | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

|Sa AL |Mo | |Ve |

| | | | |

+--------------+

MALE

Cuurent Maha Dasa: RA VE JU JU

Natal Chart

July 22, 1976

Time: 5:50:00

Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 90 W 02' 56", 35 N 08' 58"

Memphis, Tennesse, USA

Sunrise: 6:05:50 (July 21)

Sunset: 20:06:56 (July 21)

Janma Ghatis: 59.3400

Ayanamsa: 23-31-57.21

Sidereal Time: 0:51:04

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

Lagna 2 Cn 48' 27.20" Puna 4 Cn Cn

Sun - GK 6 Cn 12' 55.46" Push 1 Cn Le

Moon - PK 11 Ta 06' 01.94" Rohi 1 Ta Ar

Mars - AK 15 Le 54' 13.59" PPha 1 Le Le

Mercury - MK 13 Cn 56' 37.78" Push 4 Cn Sc

Jupiter - DK 2 Ta 25' 50.18" Krit 2 Ta Cp

Venus - AmK 15 Cn 40' 04.13" Push 4 Cn Sc

Saturn - PiK 12 Cn 06' 28.17" Push 3 Cn Li

Rahu - BK 14 Li 57' 39.75" Swat 3 Li Aq

Ketu 14 Ar 57' 39.75" Bhar 1 Ar Le

Maandi 12 Ge 20' 07.55" Ardr 2 Ge Cp

Gulika 3 Ge 47' 41.43" Mrig 4 Ge Sc

Uranus 9 Li 33' 24.30" Swat 1 Li Sg

Neptune ® 17 Sc 55' 10.38" Jye 1 Sc Sg

Pluto 15 Vi 42' 25.91" Hast 2 Vi Ta

Ghati Lagna 15 Ge 28' 11.52" Ardr 3 Ge Aq

+--------------+

|AL |Ke |Mo Ju |HL GL |

| | | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

| | |As Su |

| | |Me Ve |

| | |Sa |

| | | |

|-----------| Rasi |-----------|

| | |Ma |

| | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

| | |Ra | |

| | | | |

+--------------+

| |Mo | |HL |

| | | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

|Ra GL | |As |

| | | |

| | Navamsa | |

|-----------| |-----------|

|Ju Md | D-9 |Su Ma |

| | |Ke |

| | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

| |Gk | | |

| | | | |

+--------------+

June 5, 2005

Dear Uttara,

Please mention something about their bringing up. In

which country have they been brought up. "Desha" (country) is

important when we judge a chart as the social fabric and culture in

which an individual has been brought up, plays an important role.

Regards,

A N

jyotish-vidya, "muttaraphalguni"

<muttaraphalguni> wrote:

> To all the learned Members of Jyotish Vidya,

>

> I have in the past experienced when I request an answer or

> explanation to a question/s that I have on this forum that I am

> generously responded to.

>

> I have below two charts that I would appreciate those so inclined to

> take a look at for me.

>

> The charts are of a young couple who married 8/14/2003.

>

> Their charts are interesting in themselves because of how they

> overlay each other. With Saturn now transiting the sign of Cancer

> there is an extra tension on this marriage and their direction for

> the future.

>

> I am particularly drawn to the SU combustion on the male's three of

> four planets and ASC in chart in his first house Cancer that is now

> also being aspected by Saturn.

>

> When I look at the female chart I am drawn to all the conjs then,

> with Sun combust her Mercury.

>

> Too, with Sa transiting Cancer it is right on top of Virgo (her

> fifth house) as is the male's first house to this females fifth

house

> Virgo.(third house aspect) Also, Jupiter and Ketu are transisting

> Virgo which is aggravating boh of them

>

> On top of everything else the SA transit is the first Saturn return

> of development for both.

>

> Of course there are other conditions in each of these charts

> including the ever so important JU being palced in both of their

sign

> Taurus - his 11th and her 1st.

>

> Looking at the Nakshatra rulers say that these two are more similar

> than oppoisite and this could be the problem - but I am not sure.

> How their adverse sides of their Nakshatra rulers can really spoil

> what drew them together in what was in the first place all their

good

> sides of their rulers and commonality.

>

> There is significant disturbance in the relationship these last few

> months with the added problem that they sold their home last

November

> to be separated in two different states for a fews weeks while they

> changed their lives and work outlook. It is now June and a few

weeks

> has turned into almost seven months with no real solution in sight

> that will be satisfactory for both.

>

> I have counciled them that they are experiencing a tremendous

> development maturity change in their lives and especially for the

> male he is in the midst of trying to find himself. Also, I am

> holding out hope that a decision will be made between the end of

July

> and middle of August right around their second anniversary. I don't

> think it looks good for the couple for their future as a couple but

> holding out for hope.

>

> This is where I have come to this forum to receive some feedback on

> where I am coming from and how to look at the situaton with

different

> eyes.

>

> Its the transits that are setting off the changes.

>

> Would appreciate any other prespective and feedback. THANKS

>

> Uttara

>

> Charts below:

>

> FEMALE

>

> Current Maha Dasa: VE VE RA ME

>

> Natal Chart

>

> September 19, 1976

> Time: 21:49:00

> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

> Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"

> Chicago, Illinois, USA

>

> Ayanamsa: 23-32-04.70

> Sidereal Time: 20:54:54

>

> Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

>

> Lagna 12 Ta 32' 13.02" Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> Sun - DK 3 Vi 44' 24.25" UPha 3 Vi Aq

> Moon - PiK 14 Cn 06' 59.55" Push 4 Cn Sc

> Mars - AmK 23 Vi 56' 46.93" Chit 1 Vi Le

> Mercury ® - PK 7 Vi 44' 03.01" UPha 4 Vi Pi

> Jupiter ® - GK 7 Ta 40' 23.34" Krit 4 Ta Pi

> Venus - AK 29 Vi 02' 39.12" Chit 2 Vi Vi

> Saturn - BK 19 Cn 22' 25.14" Asre 1 Cn Sg

> Rahu - MK 11 Li 47' 56.34" Swat 2 Li Cp

> Ketu 11 Ar 47' 56.34" Aswi 4 Ar Cn

> Maandi 23 Ta 56' 10.39" Mrig 1 Ta Le

> Gulika 11 Ta 45' 02.05" Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> Uranus 11 Li 32' 22.37" Swat 2 Li Cp

> Neptune 17 Sc 52' 38.96" Jye 1 Sc Sg

> Pluto 17 Vi 30' 04.87" Hast 3 Vi Ge

> Ghati Lagna 29 Li 55' 58.86" Visa 3 Li Ge

>

> +--------------+

> | |Ke |As JuR | |

> | | |Md Gk | |

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> | | |Mo Sa |

> | | | |

> |-----------| Rasi |-----------|

> |AL | | |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |HL | |Ra GL |Su Ma |

> | | | |MeR Ve |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

>

> +--------------+

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |Su | |Ke |

> | | | |

> | | Navamsa | |

> |-----------| |-----------|

> |Ra | D-9 |Ma Md |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |Sa AL |Mo | |Ve |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

>

> MALE

>

> Cuurent Maha Dasa: RA VE JU JU

>

> Natal Chart

>

> July 22, 1976

> Time: 5:50:00

> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

> Place: 90 W 02' 56", 35 N 08' 58"

> Memphis, Tennesse, USA

>

> Sunrise: 6:05:50 (July 21)

> Sunset: 20:06:56 (July 21)

> Janma Ghatis: 59.3400

>

> Ayanamsa: 23-31-57.21

> Sidereal Time: 0:51:04

>

> Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

>

> Lagna 2 Cn 48' 27.20" Puna 4 Cn Cn

> Sun - GK 6 Cn 12' 55.46" Push 1 Cn Le

> Moon - PK 11 Ta 06' 01.94" Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> Mars - AK 15 Le 54' 13.59" PPha 1 Le Le

> Mercury - MK 13 Cn 56' 37.78" Push 4 Cn Sc

> Jupiter - DK 2 Ta 25' 50.18" Krit 2 Ta Cp

> Venus - AmK 15 Cn 40' 04.13" Push 4 Cn Sc

> Saturn - PiK 12 Cn 06' 28.17" Push 3 Cn Li

> Rahu - BK 14 Li 57' 39.75" Swat 3 Li Aq

> Ketu 14 Ar 57' 39.75" Bhar 1 Ar Le

> Maandi 12 Ge 20' 07.55" Ardr 2 Ge Cp

> Gulika 3 Ge 47' 41.43" Mrig 4 Ge Sc

> Uranus 9 Li 33' 24.30" Swat 1 Li Sg

> Neptune ® 17 Sc 55' 10.38" Jye 1 Sc Sg

> Pluto 15 Vi 42' 25.91" Hast 2 Vi Ta

> Ghati Lagna 15 Ge 28' 11.52" Ardr 3 Ge Aq

>

> +--------------+

> |AL |Ke |Mo Ju |HL GL |

> | | | |Md Gk |

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> | | |As Su |

> | | |Me Ve |

> | | |Sa |

> | | | |

> |-----------| Rasi |-----------|

> | | |Ma |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> | | |Ra | |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

>

> +--------------+

> | |Mo | |HL |

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |Ra GL | |As |

> | | | |

> | | Navamsa | |

> |-----------| |-----------|

> |Ju Md | D-9 |Su Ma |

> | | |Ke |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> | |Gk | | |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

June 5, 2005

Yes of course. Thank you for asking. Both were born and raised in the USA. She

a northern conservative Yankee with a modern Catholic upbringing from the

Chicago area. He a southern conservative Country Boy with a liberal Baptist

upbringing from Memphis.

She was raised in mostly private schools and University semesters with extensive

travel in Europe. She ballet, ice skated, piano and competed for nine years at

State and beyond in Gymnastics. Diving at State level one year. Honor student.

Double major in Midwestern university in international business and psychology,

a minor in Spanish. Management in Business corporation for 8 yrs. She is the

eldest of two - younger brother 9yrs her junior. Mother homemaker and community

volunteer. Father business Executive

He was raised in conservative public schools. He competed in sports for 11

years and self taught guitar in one yr. Above average student. Majored in

business in southern conservative university. Marketing background. He is

pursuing his MBA . He is the eldest of two - younger brother 6 yrs his junior.

Mother social worker. Father private lawyer.

They met after college graduation. No children

Might I also take this time to further explain that because these charts seem so

complex that I didn't reference any Planets rulers in houses or signs; turn the

chart for each house or sign nor did I use any Vedic terms.

The vedic area I am a little lost on how to describe and appropriately assign

with accuracy. Too, trying to describe both charts is a little overwhelming in

detail for my level of communicating in Jyotish. I see but often can't express

it in astro terms correctly - often when someone else points something out to me

or expresses something in a different way or brings my attention to something I

might have overlooked - then a light bulb goes on for better knowledge and I

practice in private writing how to be more proficient. Especially, like I said

with these two charts being so complex I kept it simple in explanation and

hopefully let the charts speak for themselves..

Also, I did forget to mention that the female's Moon and SA in third house is

critical in conj the male's 1st house of planets in Cancer with Moon ruler and

then current lengthy SA Transit with lst SA return etc.

Hope the information helps.

Thanks again.

Uttara

anshupriya_nayak <anshupriya_nayak wrote:

Dear Uttara,

Please mention something about their bringing up. In

which country have they been brought up. "Desha" (country) is

important when we judge a chart as the social fabric and culture in

which an individual has been brought up, plays an important role.

Regards,

A N

jyotish-vidya, "muttaraphalguni"

<muttaraphalguni> wrote:

> To all the learned Members of Jyotish Vidya,

>

> I have in the past experienced when I request an answer or

> explanation to a question/s that I have on this forum that I am

> generously responded to.

>

> I have below two charts that I would appreciate those so inclined to

> take a look at for me.

>

> The charts are of a young couple who married 8/14/2003.

>

> Their charts are interesting in themselves because of how they

> overlay each other. With Saturn now transiting the sign of Cancer

> there is an extra tension on this marriage and their direction for

> the future.

>

> I am particularly drawn to the SU combustion on the male's three of

> four planets and ASC in chart in his first house Cancer that is now

> also being aspected by Saturn.

>

> When I look at the female chart I am drawn to all the conjs then,

> with Sun combust her Mercury.

>

> Too, with Sa transiting Cancer it is right on top of Virgo (her

> fifth house) as is the male's first house to this females fifth

house

> Virgo.(third house aspect) Also, Jupiter and Ketu are transisting

> Virgo which is aggravating boh of them

>

> On top of everything else the SA transit is the first Saturn return

> of development for both.

>

> Of course there are other conditions in each of these charts

> including the ever so important JU being palced in both of their

sign

> Taurus - his 11th and her 1st.

>

> Looking at the Nakshatra rulers say that these two are more similar

> than oppoisite and this could be the problem - but I am not sure.

> How their adverse sides of their Nakshatra rulers can really spoil

> what drew them together in what was in the first place all their

good

> sides of their rulers and commonality.

>

> There is significant disturbance in the relationship these last few

> months with the added problem that they sold their home last

November

> to be separated in two different states for a fews weeks while they

> changed their lives and work outlook. It is now June and a few

weeks

> has turned into almost seven months with no real solution in sight

> that will be satisfactory for both.

>

> I have counciled them that they are experiencing a tremendous

> development maturity change in their lives and especially for the

> male he is in the midst of trying to find himself. Also, I am

> holding out hope that a decision will be made between the end of

July

> and middle of August right around their second anniversary. I don't

> think it looks good for the couple for their future as a couple but

> holding out for hope.

>

> This is where I have come to this forum to receive some feedback on

> where I am coming from and how to look at the situaton with

different

> eyes.

>

> Its the transits that are setting off the changes.

>

> Would appreciate any other prespective and feedback. THANKS

>

> Uttara

>

> Charts below:

>

> FEMALE

>

> Current Maha Dasa: VE VE RA ME

>

> Natal Chart

>

> September 19, 1976

> Time: 21:49:00

> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

> Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"

> Chicago, Illinois, USA

>

> Ayanamsa: 23-32-04.70

> Sidereal Time: 20:54:54

>

> Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

>

> Lagna 12 Ta 32' 13.02" Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> Sun - DK 3 Vi 44' 24.25" UPha 3 Vi Aq

> Moon - PiK 14 Cn 06' 59.55" Push 4 Cn Sc

> Mars - AmK 23 Vi 56' 46.93" Chit 1 Vi Le

> Mercury ® - PK 7 Vi 44' 03.01" UPha 4 Vi Pi

> Jupiter ® - GK 7 Ta 40' 23.34" Krit 4 Ta Pi

> Venus - AK 29 Vi 02' 39.12" Chit 2 Vi Vi

> Saturn - BK 19 Cn 22' 25.14" Asre 1 Cn Sg

> Rahu - MK 11 Li 47' 56.34" Swat 2 Li Cp

> Ketu 11 Ar 47' 56.34" Aswi 4 Ar Cn

> Maandi 23 Ta 56' 10.39" Mrig 1 Ta Le

> Gulika 11 Ta 45' 02.05" Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> Uranus 11 Li 32' 22.37" Swat 2 Li Cp

> Neptune 17 Sc 52' 38.96" Jye 1 Sc Sg

> Pluto 17 Vi 30' 04.87" Hast 3 Vi Ge

> Ghati Lagna 29 Li 55' 58.86" Visa 3 Li Ge

>

> +--------------+

> | |Ke |As JuR | |

> | | |Md Gk | |

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> | | |Mo Sa |

> | | | |

> |-----------| Rasi |-----------|

> |AL | | |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |HL | |Ra GL |Su Ma |

> | | | |MeR Ve |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

>

> +--------------+

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |Su | |Ke |

> | | | |

> | | Navamsa | |

> |-----------| |-----------|

> |Ra | D-9 |Ma Md |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |Sa AL |Mo | |Ve |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

>

> MALE

>

> Cuurent Maha Dasa: RA VE JU JU

>

> Natal Chart

>

> July 22, 1976

> Time: 5:50:00

> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

> Place: 90 W 02' 56", 35 N 08' 58"

> Memphis, Tennesse, USA

>

> Sunrise: 6:05:50 (July 21)

> Sunset: 20:06:56 (July 21)

> Janma Ghatis: 59.3400

>

> Ayanamsa: 23-31-57.21

> Sidereal Time: 0:51:04

>

> Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

>

> Lagna 2 Cn 48' 27.20" Puna 4 Cn Cn

> Sun - GK 6 Cn 12' 55.46" Push 1 Cn Le

> Moon - PK 11 Ta 06' 01.94" Rohi 1 Ta Ar

> Mars - AK 15 Le 54' 13.59" PPha 1 Le Le

> Mercury - MK 13 Cn 56' 37.78" Push 4 Cn Sc

> Jupiter - DK 2 Ta 25' 50.18" Krit 2 Ta Cp

> Venus - AmK 15 Cn 40' 04.13" Push 4 Cn Sc

> Saturn - PiK 12 Cn 06' 28.17" Push 3 Cn Li

> Rahu - BK 14 Li 57' 39.75" Swat 3 Li Aq

> Ketu 14 Ar 57' 39.75" Bhar 1 Ar Le

> Maandi 12 Ge 20' 07.55" Ardr 2 Ge Cp

> Gulika 3 Ge 47' 41.43" Mrig 4 Ge Sc

> Uranus 9 Li 33' 24.30" Swat 1 Li Sg

> Neptune ® 17 Sc 55' 10.38" Jye 1 Sc Sg

> Pluto 15 Vi 42' 25.91" Hast 2 Vi Ta

> Ghati Lagna 15 Ge 28' 11.52" Ardr 3 Ge Aq

>

> +--------------+

> |AL |Ke |Mo Ju |HL GL |

> | | | |Md Gk |

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> | | |As Su |

> | | |Me Ve |

> | | |Sa |

> | | | |

> |-----------| Rasi |-----------|

> | | |Ma |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> | | |Ra | |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

>

> +--------------+

> | |Mo | |HL |

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |Ra GL | |As |

> | | | |

> | | Navamsa | |

> |-----------| |-----------|

> |Ju Md | D-9 |Su Ma |

> | | |Ke |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> | |Gk | | |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

jyotish-vidya/

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that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us......As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give

other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear,

our presence automatically liberates others.

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