Pope John Paul 11

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Dear All,

 

It seems that the Pope (also) is close to death. I have a tentative

chart with Leo lagna which certainly fits the recent and current

situation. Does anyone have more information on his T.O.B.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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Dear Mrs. Wendy and all...

 

I have been enjoying this list since I joined in the

past month. Thank you for making it available and for

all the great discourse.

 

I have extensively studied the chart of POPE JOHN PAUL

II, also known as Karol Jozef Wojtyla, 05/18/1920,

Place: Wadowice, Poland. There are many times given

for his birth but 13:00 seems to work the best for me.

However, Astrodatabank and Lois Rodden use 17:30 with

an A rating.

 

Re: time of birth, from Astrodatabank we have the

following source notes:

 

"Grazia Bordoni quotes [the Pope] on Italian TV

5/18/97, speaking to a group of kids, 'Today, I was

born between 5:00 and 6:00 PM.' Michael Munkasey sends

clipping on an interview with him in the Seattle Times

5/19/96 that gave "Today, about 5:00 PM. Alois Treindl

quotes the German newsgroup de.alt.astrologie for an

article by "Mag. Andreas Kersting"

<and.kersting where he writes that he has

asked the Pope in private audience about his birth

time, whereupon the pope replied 'at 17:00 exactly.'

Alex Vladimir Klouda writes on email, May 2000, "I

have heard it from Cardinal Miroslav Vlk, who was

present at the Pope's 80's birthday lunch, that the

Pope said, 'We are a little bit ahead with the

celebration because I was born around 6 pm.'Formerly,

Guy de Penguern gave 12:30 PM in Mercury Hour 4/1983

'from his birth data in Poland, rectified to 12:45

PM.' Dr. Hans-Jorg has 'about noon' reported by

'personal witnesses.' CAO Times Vol 6/1 gives 'Noon

generally accepted.' Penfield quotes Judith Gee in

Mercury Hour 10/1979 for 7:30 AM; in Mercury Hour

4/1982 he quotes a French horoscope magazine for 11:30

AM. Romeo Ferrao in Mercury Hour 1/1980 states, 'Born

at the exact hour of the eclipse, 6:25 AM GMT.'

Discepolo has 1:15 PM. Bogdan krusinski writes, April

2002, 'Biographies give details that pinpoint-if

possible at all-to 'before noon'.So there are at least

three birth times circulating-British

astrologers-17:00, German astrologers-13:00, and the

third based on biographies (quotes memories of other

persons) that give time as before noon (Polish

astrologers use between 10 and

11:00 AM)."

 

Of all the times, the most accurate seems to be ONE

O'CLOCK PM, and with Lahiri Ayanamsha that gives 15

degrees 56 min. Leo Lagna, which correlates well with

all the historical data about important events in his

life.

 

Best wishes,

Juliana

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Juliana,

 

Many thanks for that - much appreciated! I had (for some years) a

time of 17:00 which gave Virgo lagna. I think I got this from

Goravani Jyotish data bank if my memory serves me but can't be

certain of this...

 

Now with the Holy Father reportedly close to death I decided to take

another look and really knew that it wasn't reflecting the (recent)

past events and the grave situation of the moment. I snatched the

time of 12.20 out of the air, just to get an idea of Leo lagna, and

it certainly is more fitting than the (previous) Virgo lagna.

 

I probably won't be able to look too deeply at it until tomorrow as

I have a few other things to finish tonight (it's 9.45pm here). But

quickly if I can just point out one feature that led me to the Leo

chart...the transit of bhukti lord Jupiter (conjunct Ketu) in

relation to his recent tracheotomy and consequent inability to speak

etc.. Note exchange between transiting Jupiter in Virgo(2nd) and

transiting Mercury in Pisces(8th).

 

I'll have to leave it here for now though...looking forward to your

analysis if you have the time to spare :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___________________

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy and all...

 

I have been enjoying this list since I joined in the

past month. Thank you for making it available and for

all the great discourse.

 

I have extensively studied the chart of POPE JOHN PAUL

II, also known as Karol Jozef Wojtyla, 05/18/1920,

Place: Wadowice, Poland. There are many times given

for his birth but 13:00 seems to work the best for me.

However, Astrodatabank and Lois Rodden use 17:30 with

an A rating.

 

Re: time of birth, from Astrodatabank we have the

following source notes:

 

"Grazia Bordoni quotes [the Pope] on Italian TV

5/18/97, speaking to a group of kids, 'Today, I was

born between 5:00 and 6:00 PM.' Michael Munkasey sends

clipping on an interview with him in the Seattle Times

5/19/96 that gave "Today, about 5:00 PM. Alois Treindl

quotes the German newsgroup de.alt.astrologie for an

article by "Mag. Andreas Kersting"

<and.kersting where he writes that he has

asked the Pope in private audience about his birth

time, whereupon the pope replied 'at 17:00 exactly.'

Alex Vladimir Klouda writes on email, May 2000, "I

have heard it from Cardinal Miroslav Vlk, who was

present at the Pope's 80's birthday lunch, that the

Pope said, 'We are a little bit ahead with the

celebration because I was born around 6 pm.'Formerly,

Guy de Penguern gave 12:30 PM in Mercury Hour 4/1983

'from his birth data in Poland, rectified to 12:45

PM.' Dr. Hans-Jorg has 'about noon' reported by

'personal witnesses.' CAO Times Vol 6/1 gives 'Noon

generally accepted.' Penfield quotes Judith Gee in

Mercury Hour 10/1979 for 7:30 AM; in Mercury Hour

4/1982 he quotes a French horoscope magazine for 11:30

AM. Romeo Ferrao in Mercury Hour 1/1980 states, 'Born

at the exact hour of the eclipse, 6:25 AM GMT.'

Discepolo has 1:15 PM. Bogdan krusinski writes, April

2002, 'Biographies give details that pinpoint-if

possible at all-to 'before noon'.So there are at least

three birth times circulating-British

astrologers-17:00, German astrologers-13:00, and the

third based on biographies (quotes memories of other

persons) that give time as before noon (Polish

astrologers use between 10 and

11:00 AM)."

 

Of all the times, the most accurate seems to be ONE

O'CLOCK PM, and with Lahiri Ayanamsha that gives 15

degrees 56 min. Leo Lagna, which correlates well with

all the historical data about important events in his

life.

 

Best wishes,

Juliana