Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Dear Wendy and List, While you were away Wendy, there were a couple of notes regarding the functional nature of planets in different lagnas. I am wondering if you could clarify the functional nature of Moon while it is in waxing/wanning degrees. The rule lists: "Planets that rule the kendra houses (4, 7, 10) are benefic if they are natural malefics. Natural benefics ruling kendra houses become malefic." Taking that Moon is considered a natural malefic if wanning, such as in my chart, in extremely wanning position, if Cancer were in a one of these kendras, would then Moon be considered functionally a benefic? And then the reverse if it were a waxing Moon which is considered a benefic - so if Cancer again were in one of the kendras, would this Moon then be considered a functional malefic? This seems so by the rule above but want to be sure of this. Moon only planet with this difference due to this changing nature.. Thanks for all patience with my detail oriented mind.. Best wishes, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Dear Patrice, To the best of my understanding Moon, as a natural benefic, becomes only slightly malefic when waning and never assumes the role of a full-on malefic such as SA, MA or the Nodes...or even as Mercury who can become a first rate malefic due to conjunction with a malefic. In regards to ownership of Kendra (as I understand) Moon should be considered a natural benefic regardless of whether waxing or waning. I might just try to clarify my point a little by saying that, unlike Mercury who is considered a malefic through malefic association, Moon is always a natural benefic even though his fading light limits his benefic status and he is therefore referred to as being slightly malefic, but I don't consider he's ever a natural malefic in the true sense. His functional nature, due to lordship is a separate issue. I would be interested to hear other's views on this... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___________________ Dear Wendy and List, While you were away Wendy, there were a couple of notes regarding the functional nature of planets in different lagnas. I am wondering if you could clarify the functional nature of Moon while it is in waxing/wanning degrees. The rule lists: "Planets that rule the kendra houses (4, 7, 10) are benefic if they are natural malefics. Natural benefics ruling kendra houses become malefic." Taking that Moon is considered a natural malefic if wanning, such as in my chart, in extremely wanning position, if Cancer were in a one of these kendras, would then Moon be considered functionally a benefic? And then the reverse if it were a waxing Moon which is considered a benefic - so if Cancer again were in one of the kendras, would this Moon then be considered a functional malefic? This seems so by the rule above but want to be sure of this. Moon only planet with this difference due to this changing nature.. Thanks for all patience with my detail oriented mind.. Best wishes, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Dear List, One may keep these following facts in view to understand how Moon could behave in a chart. 1. Full Moon, Mercury, Jupiter and venus are powerful, as natural benefics, in the above order. (Venus is most powerful and Full Moon is least powerful) 2. Dark Moon, Sun, Saturn and Mars are powerful, as natural malefics, in the above order. (Mars is most powerful and Dark Moon is least powerful) 3. The blemishness acquired by the planets (natural benefics) being owners of kendras, is increasingly powerful in ascending order thus Moon, Mercury, Jupiter and Venus. Hence, Venus is the planet which is going to lose its beneficiance most. Moon is the planet which is going to lose its beneficiance little. 4. Moon owns only one house. 5. Moon will own kendras only for 4 ascendants. (1,4,7,10) For Aries, Moon being the owner of the 4th house he becomes neutral only. (It is not to be considered that he has become malefic....i.e. he loses his propensity of doing good...) For Cancer, as Moon is the Asc. lord, this house is classified as Kendra and as well as trine, he becomes benefic. For Libra, Moon owns the 10th house, the most powerful kendra house in a zodiac, as becoming neutral because of the ownership of a Kendra. Still he can be a yoga karaka and he gives very good result, if he is in any way associated with Mercury, being the 9th lord for this lagna. For Capricorn, he becomes malefic, since he turns neutral as a kendra owner and that 7th house again classified as a "maraka" house. We know well, Moon needs support. It does not act on its own. He needs at the least a planet placed in the other house either behind him or before him. Now the phenomenon of waning and waxing gives him the inherent weakness.. it is the paksha bala that he loses in this process and is not able to deliver the benefic results which he is supposed to do and this does not have any connection with his Kendra owndership. This is my limited understanding and certainly not the gospel. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. jyotish-vidya, "Patrice Curry" <patricecurry@c...> wrote: > Dear Wendy and List, > > While you were away Wendy, there were a couple of notes regarding the functional nature of planets in different lagnas. I am wondering if you could clarify the functional nature of Moon while it is in waxing/wanning degrees. > > The rule lists: "Planets that rule the kendra houses (4, 7, 10) are benefic if they are natural malefics. Natural benefics ruling kendra houses become malefic." > > Taking that Moon is considered a natural malefic if wanning, such as in my chart, in extremely wanning position, if Cancer were in a one of these kendras, would then Moon be considered functionally a benefic? And then the reverse if it were a waxing Moon which is considered a benefic - so if Cancer again were in one of the kendras, would this Moon then be considered a functional malefic? This seems so by the rule above but want to be sure of this. Moon only planet with this difference due to this changing nature.. > > Thanks for all patience with my detail oriented mind.. > Best wishes, > Patrice > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Dear Ravindramani and Wendy, Thanks so much for your responses and time given this question and clarifying this for me. These are both excellent in gaining understanding of this view of the Moon in its functional nature. Also very helpful Ravindramani to see the order of, or increasing power of these planets given in clear example here. Wendy, it's good to be clear as well that the Moon, even when waning, although listed in books as a malefic, is not ever considered a first rate malefic. These excellent posts are very helpful. All best wishes to you both, Patrice _______ Dear List, One may keep these following facts in view to understand how Moon could behave in a chart. 1. Full Moon, Mercury, Jupiter and venus are powerful, as natural benefics, in the above order. (Venus is most powerful and Full Moon is least powerful) 2. Dark Moon, Sun, Saturn and Mars are powerful, as natural malefics, in the above order. (Mars is most powerful and Dark Moon is least powerful) 3. The blemishness acquired by the planets (natural benefics) being owners of kendras, is increasingly powerful in ascending order thus Moon, Mercury, Jupiter and Venus. Hence, Venus is the planet which is going to lose its beneficiance most. Moon is the planet which is going to lose its beneficiance little. 4. Moon owns only one house. 5. Moon will own kendras only for 4 ascendants. (1,4,7,10) For Aries, Moon being the owner of the 4th house he becomes neutral only. (It is not to be considered that he has become malefic....i.e. he loses his propensity of doing good...) For Cancer, as Moon is the Asc. lord, this house is classified as Kendra and as well as trine, he becomes benefic. For Libra, Moon owns the 10th house, the most powerful kendra house in a zodiac, as becoming neutral because of the ownership of a Kendra. Still he can be a yoga karaka and he gives very good result, if he is in any way associated with Mercury, being the 9th lord for this lagna. For Capricorn, he becomes malefic, since he turns neutral as a kendra owner and that 7th house again classified as a "maraka" house. We know well, Moon needs support. It does not act on its own. He needs at the least a planet placed in the other house either behind him or before him. Now the phenomenon of waning and waxing gives him the inherent weakness.. it is the paksha bala that he loses in this process and is not able to deliver the benefic results which he is supposed to do and this does not have any connection with his Kendra owndership. This is my limited understanding and certainly not the gospel. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. ____________ Dear Patrice, To the best of my understanding Moon, as a natural benefic, becomes only slightly malefic when waning and never assumes the role of a full-on malefic such as SA, MA or the Nodes...or even as Mercury who can become a first rate malefic due to conjunction with a malefic. In regards to ownership of Kendra (as I understand) Moon should be considered a natural benefic regardless of whether waxing or waning. I might just try to clarify my point a little by saying that, unlike Mercury who is considered a malefic through malefic association, Moon is always a natural benefic even though his fading light limits his benefic status and he is therefore referred to as being slightly malefic, but I don't consider he's ever a natural malefic in the true sense. His functional nature, due to lordship is a separate issue. I would be interested to hear other's views on this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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