Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Respected members, How do planets on the edges behave. 1.On the verge of crossing into the next house and directional 2.On the verge of crossing into the next house and retro 3.Just entered the house and directional 4.Just entered the house and retro 5.Exactly on the edge. I have a horoscope here with Date of Birth: 22-06-1999 Time of Birth: 11 : 48 Place of Birth: Mumbai Country: India Latitude: 18° 58' N Longitude: 72° 50' E and mercury is at 00.57 in Cancer ( 12th house) just crossing the 11th house - the own house of gains by 00.57 What would the results be with this crossover for this horoscope? Best Regards Nilesh Joshi --- Wendy Vasicek <wenvas wrote: Dear Rajesh, Having your mail preference set to "individual mail" indicates that you wish all group mails to be forwarded to your email address. To change this preference to "no mail" means that you can select which mails you read from the jyotish-vidya group page (at ) when it's convenient for you to do so and none will be sent to your email address. I have changed your preference to "no mail" for you. Should you wish to alter this (or read the mail on line): go to jyotish-vidya Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com - "RAJESH MANWANI" <simrajesh <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:22 PM Re: Re: Combust Jupiter? DEAR PLS DONT SEND ALL THIS MAIL TO MY EMAIL ADDRESES REGARDS RAJESH Sponsor Children International Would you give Hope to a Child in need? · Click Here to meet a Girl And Give Her Hope · Click Here to meet a Boy And Change His Life Learn More jyotish-vidya/ jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. ______________________ India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Bhava Sandhi planets - i.e. planets in the last or first degree of a sign - are supposed to be very weak and incapable of giving their results. I have seen one ot two horoscopes where this is the only factor to which I could relate the troubles of the native. Regards, Venkat jyotish-vidya, nilesh joshi <niljoshi27> wrote: > Respected members, > > How do planets on the edges behave. > > 1.On the verge of crossing into the next house and > directional > 2.On the verge of crossing into the next house and > retro > 3.Just entered the house and directional > 4.Just entered the house and retro > 5.Exactly on the edge. > > I have a horoscope here with > Date of Birth: 22-06-1999 > Time of Birth: 11 : 48 > Place of Birth: Mumbai > Country: India > Latitude: 18° 58' N > Longitude: 72° 50' E > > and mercury is at 00.57 in Cancer ( 12th house) just > crossing the 11th house - the own house of gains by > 00.57 > > What would the results be with this crossover for this > horoscope? > > Best Regards > > Nilesh Joshi > > > > --- Wendy Vasicek <wenvas@j...> wrote: > > > Dear Rajesh, > > Having your mail preference set to "individual mail" > indicates that > you wish all group mails to be forwarded to your email > address. To > change this preference to "no mail" means that you can > select which > mails you read from the jyotish-vidya group page (at > ) > when it's convenient for you to do so and none will be > sent to your > email address. > > I have changed your preference to "no mail" for you. > Should you wish > to alter this (or read the mail on line): > > go to jyotish-vidya > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > - > "RAJESH MANWANI" <simrajesh> > <jyotish-vidya> > Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:22 PM > Re: Re: Combust Jupiter? > > > DEAR > PLS DONT SEND ALL THIS MAIL TO MY > EMAIL ADDRESES > REGARDS RAJESH > > > > Sponsor > Children > International Would you give > Hope to a Child in need? > > > · Click Here to meet a Girl > And Give Her Hope > · > Click Here to meet a Boy > And Change His Life > > > Learn More > > > Links > > > jyotish-vidya/ > > > jyotish-vidya > > > Terms of Service. > > > ___________________ ___ > India Matrimony: Find your life partner online > Go to: http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 hello members, we r concerned more with results of specific bhavas like carreer(X),Education(V) and spouse(VII). If planets in these bahvas are on the edges then previous/next bhavas work well. For ex:if lagna is in 29 deg10mts,it reflects more on 2nd to lagna speech and communication if my mars is in VI and is in 3 degrees it reflects V etc also those planets if tey are karakas for those bhavas no problem otherwise results will be to increase/decresae influence on the bahva krishnan "S. Venkatraman" <svenkat52 wrote: Bhava Sandhi planets - i.e. planets in the last or first degree of a sign - are supposed to be very weak and incapable of giving their results. I have seen one ot two horoscopes where this is the only factor to which I could relate the troubles of the native. Regards, Venkat jyotish-vidya, nilesh joshi <niljoshi27> wrote: > Respected members, > > How do planets on the edges behave. > > 1.On the verge of crossing into the next house and > directional > 2.On the verge of crossing into the next house and > retro > 3.Just entered the house and directional > 4.Just entered the house and retro > 5.Exactly on the edge. > > I have a horoscope here with > Date of Birth: 22-06-1999 > Time of Birth: 11 : 48 > Place of Birth: Mumbai > Country: India > Latitude: 18° 58' N > Longitude: 72° 50' E > > and mercury is at 00.57 in Cancer ( 12th house) just > crossing the 11th house - the own house of gains by > 00.57 > > What would the results be with this crossover for this > horoscope? > > Best Regards > > Nilesh Joshi > > > > --- Wendy Vasicek <wenvas@j...> wrote: > > > Dear Rajesh, > > Having your mail preference set to "individual mail" > indicates that > you wish all group mails to be forwarded to your email > address. To > change this preference to "no mail" means that you can > select which > mails you read from the jyotish-vidya group page (at > ) > when it's convenient for you to do so and none will be > sent to your > email address. > > I have changed your preference to "no mail" for you. > Should you wish > to alter this (or read the mail on line): > > go to jyotish-vidya > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > - > "RAJESH MANWANI" <simrajesh> > <jyotish-vidya> > Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:22 PM > Re: Re: Combust Jupiter? > > > DEAR > PLS DONT SEND ALL THIS MAIL TO MY > EMAIL ADDRESES > REGARDS RAJESH > > > > Sponsor > Children > International Would you give > Hope to a Child in need? > > > · Click Here to meet a Girl > And Give Her Hope > · > Click Here to meet a Boy > And Change His Life > > > Learn More > > > Links > > > jyotish-vidya/ > > > jyotish-vidya > > > Terms of Service. > > > ___________________ ___ > India Matrimony: Find your life partner online > Go to: http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony jyotish-vidya/ jyotish-vidya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Dear Nilesh, Venkat, and Krishnan, Thanks Venkat for this response and your experiences, and Krishnan as well. Nilesh, I did cast this original chart you offered to ask your question. I am very interested in studying Jyotish with respect to health of the native, and what measures can then be taken. Having planets in sandhi is a blemish for the chart. The Gandanta ('End-of-the-Cheek') portions of the nakshatras where both the nakshatra and sign begin or end, form another class of sandhi which Jyotish finds inauspicious. Both sandhi and gandanta planets then need to be strengthened or propitiated by appropriate measures. De Fouw and Svoboda, in Light on Life, describe these sandhi (juncture points) as "weak and ill-defined due to the forced intermingling of two differing energies. A 'sangama' (the junction of two rivers) is auspicious because the two energies merge completely on meeting, but a 'sandhi' (literally a 'joint') is merely a zone of transition between two energies which retain their own individual characteristics." They go on to say, "While most sandhis are inauspicious for worldly matters, becasue the free flow of prosperity becomes obstructed at such zones of transition, they are often auspicious for certain spiritual endeavors." As I use KP ayanamsa, in this chart Mercury is then at 1:02 degrees, not in sandhi, but still Mercury not strong by degree. As Venkat has said this makes it more difficult to then give their results. All best wishes, Patrice __________ Bhava Sandhi planets - i.e. planets in the last or first degree of a sign - are supposed to be very weak and incapable of giving their results. I have seen one ot two horoscopes where this is the only factor to which I could relate the troubles of the native. Regards, Venkat jyotish-vidya, nilesh joshi <niljoshi27> wrote: > Respected members, > > How do planets on the edges behave. > > 1.On the verge of crossing into the next house and > directional > 2.On the verge of crossing into the next house and > retro > 3.Just entered the house and directional > 4.Just entered the house and retro > 5.Exactly on the edge. > > I have a horoscope here with > Date of Birth: 22-06-1999 > Time of Birth: 11 : 48 > Place of Birth: Mumbai > Country: India > Latitude: 18° 58' N > Longitude: 72° 50' E > > and mercury is at 00.57 in Cancer ( 12th house) just > crossing the 11th house - the own house of gains by > 00.57 > > What would the results be with this crossover for this > horoscope? > > Best Regards > > Nilesh Joshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Dear Patrice and All, Using Lahiri, I get Mercury 1* 12. This is a very interesting chart! But, rather than question one planet's directional strength - I have a question for all. Is it not true that most if not all Eastern calculated charts follow the rule that the planet is not based on its position itself but rather from its middle strength of degree value? So, in other words this chart's planets that mostly fall on a boundary cusp of division between signs is in actually placed at its most strength in the middle of the two signs. Given that - it would seem too that any planet hovering between two signs on a 0* or up to a 4* either way is weak even in the middle of two signs. I am not familiar with the rules of KP - but doesn't KP follow eastern principals? Thanks Patrice for this very interesting chart. I have several charts where more than one planet hovers on the 0 -4* sign and it is always baffling to try and figure out what is correct for the client. Especially if one does not know the client and is doing a cold reading. Even so, I have clients that I do know who have significant planets (Sun, moon, or ASC) on the 0* to 4* cusp that can be read either way - depending on their mood of the day or time period. The 0* - 1* or 29* is the most baffling of all. Again though, I am looking at first where everything falls without taking into consideration that 0* to 4* often fall in the middle of two signs by eastern/Vedic rules. Still... I too look forward to answers from those who can shed some light on this very important calculated measurement. Health wise and other. Uttara Patrice Curry <patricecurry wrote: Dear Nilesh, Venkat, and Krishnan, Thanks Venkat for this response and your experiences, and Krishnan as well. Nilesh, I did cast this original chart you offered to ask your question. I am very interested in studying Jyotish with respect to health of the native, and what measures can then be taken. Having planets in sandhi is a blemish for the chart. The Gandanta ('End-of-the-Cheek') portions of the nakshatras where both the nakshatra and sign begin or end, form another class of sandhi which Jyotish finds inauspicious. Both sandhi and gandanta planets then need to be strengthened or propitiated by appropriate measures. De Fouw and Svoboda, in Light on Life, describe these sandhi (juncture points) as "weak and ill-defined due to the forced intermingling of two differing energies. A 'sangama' (the junction of two rivers) is auspicious because the two energies merge completely on meeting, but a 'sandhi' (literally a 'joint') is merely a zone of transition between two energies which retain their own individual characteristics." They go on to say, "While most sandhis are inauspicious for worldly matters, becasue the free flow of prosperity becomes obstructed at such zones of transition, they are often auspicious for certain spiritual endeavors." As I use KP ayanamsa, in this chart Mercury is then at 1:02 degrees, not in sandhi, but still Mercury not strong by degree. As Venkat has said this makes it more difficult to then give their results. All best wishes, Patrice __________ Bhava Sandhi planets - i.e. planets in the last or first degree of a sign - are supposed to be very weak and incapable of giving their results. I have seen one ot two horoscopes where this is the only factor to which I could relate the troubles of the native. Regards, Venkat jyotish-vidya, nilesh joshi wrote: > Respected members, > > How do planets on the edges behave. > > 1.On the verge of crossing into the next house and > directional > 2.On the verge of crossing into the next house and > retro > 3.Just entered the house and directional > 4.Just entered the house and retro > 5.Exactly on the edge. > > I have a horoscope here with > Date of Birth: 22-06-1999 > Time of Birth: 11 : 48 > Place of Birth: Mumbai > Country: India > Latitude: 18° 58' N > Longitude: 72° 50' E > > and mercury is at 00.57 in Cancer ( 12th house) just > crossing the 11th house - the own house of gains by > 00.57 > > What would the results be with this crossover for this > horoscope? > > Best Regards > > Nilesh Joshi Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us......As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. from A Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson Make your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Hello Uttara, Such questions need also to be looked from shadbala of these planets as well as divisional charts before answer in tits and bitter. How is the lagna raising and what degrees ?Planets close to the degree of ascendent will not have health problems.otherwise significance of the planets with referene to those bhavas need careful observation before delineation krishnan Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote: Dear Patrice and All, Using Lahiri, I get Mercury 1* 12. This is a very interesting chart! But, rather than question one planet's directional strength - I have a question for all. Is it not true that most if not all Eastern calculated charts follow the rule that the planet is not based on its position itself but rather from its middle strength of degree value? So, in other words this chart's planets that mostly fall on a boundary cusp of division between signs is in actually placed at its most strength in the middle of the two signs. Given that - it would seem too that any planet hovering between two signs on a 0* or up to a 4* either way is weak even in the middle of two signs. I am not familiar with the rules of KP - but doesn't KP follow eastern principals? Thanks Patrice for this very interesting chart. I have several charts where more than one planet hovers on the 0 -4* sign and it is always baffling to try and figure out what is correct for the client. Especially if one does not know the client and is doing a cold reading. Even so, I have clients that I do know who have significant planets (Sun, moon, or ASC) on the 0* to 4* cusp that can be read either way - depending on their mood of the day or time period. The 0* - 1* or 29* is the most baffling of all. Again though, I am looking at first where everything falls without taking into consideration that 0* to 4* often fall in the middle of two signs by eastern/Vedic rules. Still... I too look forward to answers from those who can shed some light on this very important calculated measurement. Health wise and other. Uttara Patrice Curry wrote: Dear Nilesh, Venkat, and Krishnan, Thanks Venkat for this response and your experiences, and Krishnan as well. Nilesh, I did cast this original chart you offered to ask your question. I am very interested in studying Jyotish with respect to health of the native, and what measures can then be taken. Having planets in sandhi is a blemish for the chart. The Gandanta ('End-of-the-Cheek') portions of the nakshatras where both the nakshatra and sign begin or end, form another class of sandhi which Jyotish finds inauspicious. Both sandhi and gandanta planets then need to be strengthened or propitiated by appropriate measures. De Fouw and Svoboda, in Light on Life, describe these sandhi (juncture points) as "weak and ill-defined due to the forced intermingling of two differing energies. A 'sangama' (the junction of two rivers) is auspicious because the two energies merge completely on meeting, but a 'sandhi' (literally a 'joint') is merely a zone of transition between two energies which retain their own individual characteristics." They go on to say, "While most sandhis are inauspicious for worldly matters, becasue the free flow of prosperity becomes obstructed at such zones of transition, they are often auspicious for certain spiritual endeavors." As I use KP ayanamsa, in this chart Mercury is then at 1:02 degrees, not in sandhi, but still Mercury not strong by degree. As Venkat has said this makes it more difficult to then give their results. All best wishes, Patrice __________ Bhava Sandhi planets - i.e. planets in the last or first degree of a sign - are supposed to be very weak and incapable of giving their results. I have seen one ot two horoscopes where this is the only factor to which I could relate the troubles of the native. Regards, Venkat jyotish-vidya, nilesh joshi wrote: > Respected members, > > How do planets on the edges behave. > > 1.On the verge of crossing into the next house and > directional > 2.On the verge of crossing into the next house and > retro > 3.Just entered the house and directional > 4.Just entered the house and retro > 5.Exactly on the edge. > > I have a horoscope here with > Date of Birth: 22-06-1999 > Time of Birth: 11 : 48 > Place of Birth: Mumbai > Country: India > Latitude: 18° 58' N > Longitude: 72° 50' E > > and mercury is at 00.57 in Cancer ( 12th house) just > crossing the 11th house - the own house of gains by > 00.57 > > What would the results be with this crossover for this > horoscope? > > Best Regards > > Nilesh Joshi Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us......As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. from A Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson Make your home page Make your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Hello everybody, Many Thanks for all the replies.I also have one more query - do we not see the BHAV CHALIT CHART position in such cases as in this native moon has shifted to lagna from 2nd house and mercury,shukra,rahu shift to 11th house,sun to tenth and so on. About the native - she is a girl child,keeping fairly good health, no major problems so far (running MArs dasha ( lord of the 4th and the 9th). Has problem related to her milk teeth, Very energtic, playful typically does not like to study but shoes interest in stories etc, very lady like - loves to play with dolls ,interested in dresses,cosmetics spends time in front of the mirror. Other health issue seems to be of being very emotional wants to be close to mother and dislikes creche. Best Regards Nilesh --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Hello Uttara, > Such questions need also to be looked from shadbala > of these planets as well as divisional charts before > answer in tits and bitter. > How is the lagna raising and what degrees ?Planets > close to the degree of ascendent will not have > health problems.otherwise significance of the > planets with referene to those bhavas need careful > observation before delineation > krishnan > > Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote: > > Dear Patrice and All, > > Using Lahiri, I get Mercury 1* 12. > > This is a very interesting chart! But, rather than > question one planet's directional strength - I have > a question for all. > > Is it not true that most if not all Eastern > calculated charts follow the rule that the planet is > not based on its position itself but rather from its > middle strength of degree value? > > So, in other words this chart's planets that mostly > fall on a boundary cusp of division between signs is > in actually placed at its most strength in the > middle of the two signs. Given that - it would seem > too that any planet hovering between two signs on a > 0* or up to a 4* either way is weak even in the > middle of two signs. > > I am not familiar with the rules of KP - but doesn't > KP follow eastern principals? > > Thanks Patrice for this very interesting chart. I > have several charts where more than one planet > hovers on the 0 -4* sign and it is always baffling > to try and figure out what is correct for the > client. Especially if one does not know the client > and is doing a cold reading. Even so, I have clients > that I do know who have significant planets (Sun, > moon, or ASC) on the 0* to 4* cusp that can be read > either way - depending on their mood of the day or > time period. The 0* - 1* or 29* is the most baffling > of all. > > Again though, I am looking at first where everything > falls without taking into consideration that 0* to > 4* often fall in the middle of two signs by > eastern/Vedic rules. Still... > > I too look forward to answers from those who can > shed some light on this very important calculated > measurement. Health wise and other. > > Uttara > > > Patrice Curry > wrote: > > Dear Nilesh, Venkat, and Krishnan, > > Thanks Venkat for this response and your > experiences, and Krishnan as well. > Nilesh, I did cast this original chart you offered > to ask your question. > > I am very interested in studying Jyotish with > respect to health of the > native, and what measures can then be taken. Having > planets in sandhi is a > blemish for the chart. The Gandanta > ('End-of-the-Cheek') portions of the > nakshatras where both the nakshatra and sign begin > or end, form another > class of sandhi which Jyotish finds inauspicious. > Both sandhi and gandanta > planets then need to be strengthened or propitiated > by appropriate measures. > > De Fouw and Svoboda, in Light on Life, describe > these sandhi (juncture > points) as "weak and ill-defined due to the forced > intermingling of two > differing energies. A 'sangama' (the junction of two > rivers) is auspicious > because the two energies merge completely on > meeting, but a 'sandhi' > (literally a 'joint') is merely a zone of transition > between two energies > which retain their own individual characteristics." > > They go on to say, "While most sandhis are > inauspicious for worldly matters, > becasue the free flow of prosperity becomes > obstructed at such zones of > transition, they are often auspicious for certain > spiritual endeavors." > > As I use KP ayanamsa, in this chart Mercury is then > at 1:02 degrees, not in > sandhi, but still Mercury not strong by degree. As > Venkat has said this > makes it more difficult to then give their results. > > All best wishes, > Patrice > > > __________ > > Bhava Sandhi planets - i.e. planets in the last or > first degree of a > sign - are supposed to be very weak and incapable of > giving their > results. I have seen one ot two horoscopes where > this is the only > factor to which I could relate the troubles of the > native. > > Regards, > Venkat > jyotish-vidya, nilesh joshi > wrote: > > Respected members, > > > > How do planets on the edges behave. > > > > 1.On the verge of crossing into the next house and > > directional > > 2.On the verge of crossing into the next house and > > retro > > 3.Just entered the house and directional > > 4.Just entered the house and retro > > 5.Exactly on the edge. > > > > I have a horoscope here with > > Date of Birth: 22-06-1999 > > Time of Birth: 11 : 48 > > Place of Birth: Mumbai > > Country: India > > Latitude: 18° 58' N > > Longitude: 72° 50' E > > > > and mercury is at 00.57 in Cancer ( 12th house) > just > > crossing the 11th house - the own house of gains > by > > 00.57 > > > > What would the results be with this crossover for > this > > horoscope? > > > > Best Regards > > > > Nilesh Joshi > > > > > > Links > > > > Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our > deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. > It is our light, not our darkness, that most > frightens us......As we let our own light shine, we > unconsciously give other people permission to do the > same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our > presence automatically liberates others. > > from A Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson > > > > > Make your home page > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > Links > === message truncated === ______________________ India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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