Guest guest Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Hi Everyone, I am fairly new to this group and I would like to start learning. I'm not sure where to start so I've kind of started with my own chart from what I've been told. I do have a question about a pukhraj ring. I've been trying to find an affordable yellow sapphire pukhraj ring but so far everything is way too expensive. I suppose if I could afford it my Jupiter wouldn't be combust, right? Do the members here give readings for other members? If so, I would love for someone to look at my chart and give suggestions as to what I can do to make things better. Also, what book or where should I go to get the very basics of jyotish? Will I still get benefits from wearing a yellow topaz ring and if so, where do I go to get it? Thanks in advance for any help/advice anyone can offer. Birth Info: January 11th, 1973 Lakenheath, England 5:25 A.M. Best Wishes, Nyree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 Hi Nyree, I was having a look at your charts (Rasi and Navamsa) and indeed your Jupiter is combust in both, however in Rasi it is placed in its own sign and it is one of your ascendants functional benefic planets. This should make it possible for your Jupiter to still do you some good. Since Jupiter is a natural benefic and one of your ascendant's functional benefic too, and it is placed in its own sign, I would go for a Jupiter gem in order to strenghten it. Rui. --- nyree <n8m8 wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I am fairly new to this group and I would like to > start learning. > I'm not sure where to start so I've kind of started > with my own > chart from what I've been told. > > I do have a question about a pukhraj ring. I've > been trying to find > an affordable yellow sapphire pukhraj ring but so > far everything is > way too expensive. I suppose if I could afford it > my Jupiter > wouldn't be combust, right? > > Do the members here give readings for other members? > If so, I would > love for someone to look at my chart and give > suggestions as to what > I can do to make things better. > > Also, what book or where should I go to get the very > basics of > jyotish? > > Will I still get benefits from wearing a yellow > topaz ring and if > so, where do I go to get it? > > Thanks in advance for any help/advice anyone can > offer. > > Birth Info: > > January 11th, 1973 > Lakenheath, England > 5:25 A.M. > > Best Wishes, > Nyree > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 Rui, Thank you very much for the reply. Do you have any suggestions as to what Jupiter gem I should go for? Also, the most affordable place? Are you talking about yellow sapphire, yellow topaz, or citrine when you say Jupiter gem? So, I am in my venus dasa right now? Is there anything else I can do to make life even a little better or will it gradually get better? Sorry for all the questions. This is just really interesting to me. I can't wait to start learning more so I can look at my own chart. Best Wishes, Nyree jyotish-vidya, RPM <rupamede> wrote: > Hi Nyree, > I was having a look at your charts (Rasi and Navamsa) > and indeed your Jupiter is combust in both, however in > Rasi it is placed in its own sign and it is one of > your ascendants functional benefic planets. This > should make it possible for your Jupiter to still do > you some good. > Since Jupiter is a natural benefic and one of your > ascendant's functional benefic too, and it is placed > in its own sign, I would go for a Jupiter gem in order > to strenghten it. > Rui. > > --- nyree <n8m8> wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I am fairly new to this group and I would like to > > start learning. > > I'm not sure where to start so I've kind of started > > with my own > > chart from what I've been told. > > > > I do have a question about a pukhraj ring. I've > > been trying to find > > an affordable yellow sapphire pukhraj ring but so > > far everything is > > way too expensive. I suppose if I could afford it > > my Jupiter > > wouldn't be combust, right? > > > > Do the members here give readings for other members? > > If so, I would > > love for someone to look at my chart and give > > suggestions as to what > > I can do to make things better. > > > > Also, what book or where should I go to get the very > > basics of > > jyotish? > > > > Will I still get benefits from wearing a yellow > > topaz ring and if > > so, where do I go to get it? > > > > Thanks in advance for any help/advice anyone can > > offer. > > > > Birth Info: > > > > January 11th, 1973 > > Lakenheath, England > > 5:25 A.M. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Nyree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 Dear Nyree, Before prescribing gems one needs to consider carefully the relationship (both permanent and temporary) between the planets. When you have several planets occupying the same house the very best they can ever be is neutral - not hostile/not friendly - indifferent, won't go out of their way to help but won't hinder either. This is the relationship Jupiter has towards Sun as Jupiter is both a permanent friend and a temporary enemy. Please read the basic rules (below) regarding the relationship between planets... IT IS IMPORTANT! RELATIONSHIPS OF PLANETS NATURAL RELATIONSHIPS: Note the signs which are the 4th, 2nd, 12th, 5th, 9th, and the 8th from the Moolatrikona of a planet. The planets ruling such signs are its friend, apart from the lord of its exaltation sign Lords other than these are its enemies. If a planet becomes its friend as well as its enemy (on account of the said two computations) then it is neutral or equal. TEMPORARY RELATIONSHIPS: The planet posited in the 10th, 4th, 11th, 3rd, 2nd, or the 12th from another becomes mutual friend. There is enmity otherwise. (This applies to a given horoscope.) 57-58. COMPOUND RELATIONSHIP: Should two planets be naturally and temporarily friendly, they become extremely friendly. Friendship on one count and neutrality on another count make them friendly. Enmity on one count combined with affinity on the other turns into equality. Enmity and neutralship cause only enmity. Should there be enmity in both manners, extreme enmity is obtained. The astrologer should consider these and declare horoscopic effect accordingly. More at: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch3.htm In your chart Jupiter is both a permanent neutral and a temporary enemy to DASA LORD VENUS which makes him Venus' enemy...please think about the possible consequences of this before prescribing a gem and let's try to find a better alternative. Combust Jupiter is karaka for the auspicious 9th house of good-fortune (solutions to problems etc) whilst 9th lord Moon, in sign of Jupiter, is isolated in the 5th. Moon, in 4th from 2nd, is neutral to Venus, neutral to Mercury, and a great friend to both Jupiter and Sun. My advice therefore would be to wear a Pearl to fortify the 9th house who's karaka is combust. You're currently running the bhukti of Moon and this would be a most appropriate time to purchase a Pearl. The purchase should be made on a Monday during the waxing phase of the Moon. Pearl should be worn on the ring finger of right hand. The following site might be a good place to start looking. However I should advise against purchasing the (moonstone) substitute. Many astrologers prescribe uparatnas (substitute gems) but I do not. In the words of Maharishi; "You know the difference (between a gem and a substitute) and so do the Planets". http://www.planetarygems.com/pearlpage.htm Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com _________________________ - "nyree" <n8m8 <jyotish-vidya> Saturday, March 19, 2005 7:55 AM Re: Combust Jupiter? Rui, Thank you very much for the reply. Do you have any suggestions as to what Jupiter gem I should go for? Also, the most affordable place? Are you talking about yellow sapphire, yellow topaz, or citrine when you say Jupiter gem? So, I am in my venus dasa right now? Is there anything else I can do to make life even a little better or will it gradually get better? Sorry for all the questions. This is just really interesting to me. I can't wait to start learning more so I can look at my own chart. Best Wishes, Nyree ________________________ jyotish-vidya, RPM <rupamede> wrote: > Hi Nyree, > I was having a look at your charts (Rasi and Navamsa) > and indeed your Jupiter is combust in both, however in > Rasi it is placed in its own sign and it is one of > your ascendants functional benefic planets. This > should make it possible for your Jupiter to still do > you some good. > Since Jupiter is a natural benefic and one of your > ascendant's functional benefic too, and it is placed > in its own sign, I would go for a Jupiter gem in order > to strenghten it. > Rui. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 Dear Wendy, Thank you so much for all of the information. I just left the gemstone website you listed for me. Some of the pearls are a much better price than saving up for a yellow sapphire. Does the pearl need to be made into a ring with silver or gold and does part of the pearl need to touch the finger? Also, I'll probably still need to save up to get a pearl but I have some little freshwater pearls. Actually, today I made a bracelet from freshwater pearls, a couple pieces of amber and five Rudrashka beads. Maybe while I'm waiting I could make a ring out of the little freshwater pearls and still get some benefits??? Also, could you tell me where I could go online or a book I could get that will teach me the basics of Jyotish? Thank you very much again for all your help. Best Wishes, Nyree jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@j...> wrote: > Dear Nyree, > > Before prescribing gems one needs to consider carefully the > relationship (both permanent and temporary) between the planets. > When you have several planets occupying the same house the very best > they can ever be is neutral - not hostile/not friendly - > indifferent, won't go out of their way to help but won't hinder > either. This is the relationship Jupiter has towards Sun as Jupiter > is both a permanent friend and a temporary enemy. Please read the > basic rules (below) regarding the relationship between planets... IT > IS IMPORTANT! > > RELATIONSHIPS OF PLANETS > NATURAL RELATIONSHIPS: > Note the signs which are the 4th, 2nd, 12th, 5th, 9th, and the 8th > from the Moolatrikona of a planet. The planets ruling such signs are > its friend, apart from the lord of its exaltation sign Lords other > than these are its enemies. If a planet becomes its friend as well > as its enemy (on account of the said two computations) then it is > neutral or equal. > > > TEMPORARY RELATIONSHIPS: > The planet posited in the 10th, 4th, 11th, 3rd, 2nd, or the 12th > from another becomes mutual friend. There is enmity otherwise. (This > applies to a given horoscope.) > > > 57-58. COMPOUND RELATIONSHIP: > Should two planets be naturally and temporarily friendly, they > become extremely friendly. Friendship on one count and neutrality on > another count make them friendly. Enmity on one count combined with > affinity on the other turns into equality. Enmity and neutralship > cause only enmity. Should there be enmity in both manners, extreme > enmity is obtained. The astrologer should consider these and declare > horoscopic effect accordingly. > More at: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch3.htm > > In your chart Jupiter is both a permanent neutral and a temporary > enemy to DASA LORD VENUS which makes him Venus' enemy...please think > about the possible consequences of this before prescribing a gem and > let's try to find a better alternative. > > Combust Jupiter is karaka for the auspicious 9th house of > good-fortune (solutions to problems etc) whilst 9th lord Moon, in > sign of Jupiter, is isolated in the 5th. Moon, in 4th from 2nd, is > neutral to Venus, neutral to Mercury, and a great friend to both > Jupiter and Sun. My advice therefore would be to wear a Pearl to > fortify the 9th house who's karaka is combust. You're currently > running the bhukti of Moon and this would be a most appropriate time > to purchase a Pearl. The purchase should be made on a Monday during > the waxing phase of the Moon. Pearl should be worn on the ring > finger of right hand. > > The following site might be a good place to start looking. However I > should advise against purchasing the (moonstone) substitute. Many > astrologers prescribe uparatnas (substitute gems) but I do not. In > the words of Maharishi; "You know the difference (between a gem and > a substitute) and so do the Planets". > http://www.planetarygems.com/pearlpage.htm > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > _________________________ > > - > "nyree" <n8m8> > <jyotish-vidya> > Saturday, March 19, 2005 7:55 AM > Re: Combust Jupiter? > > > Rui, > > Thank you very much for the reply. Do you have any suggestions as > to what Jupiter gem I should go for? Also, the most affordable > place? Are you talking about yellow sapphire, yellow topaz, or > citrine when you say Jupiter gem? So, I am in my venus dasa right > now? Is there anything else I can do to make life even a little > better or will it gradually get better? Sorry for all the > questions. This is just really interesting to me. I can't wait to > start learning more so I can look at my own chart. > > Best Wishes, > Nyree > ________________________ > > jyotish-vidya, RPM <rupamede> wrote: > > Hi Nyree, > > I was having a look at your charts (Rasi and Navamsa) > > and indeed your Jupiter is combust in both, however in > > Rasi it is placed in its own sign and it is one of > > your ascendants functional benefic planets. This > > should make it possible for your Jupiter to still do > > you some good. > > Since Jupiter is a natural benefic and one of your > > ascendant's functional benefic too, and it is placed > > in its own sign, I would go for a Jupiter gem in order > > to strenghten it. > > Rui. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Dear Nyree, Gems have to be chosen carefully as wearing defective gems can be of more harm than benefit. A Pearl, in which there is a noticable spot without luster is said to cause illness to the wearer. It's said that if there is a spot or sign looking like the eye of a fish, the wearer may suffer loss of children. The Pearl, devoid of luster is said to shorten life. The Pearl that is flat is said to bring a bad name to the wearer. The Pearl that is long instead of being round makes the wearer foolish and an idiot. If a side of the Pearl is broken, the wearer of such stones suffers the loss of his livelihood etc, etc.. The following flaws should be avoided:- Cracks on surface; Lines on the body of the Pearl; Joint like appearance; Mole of black colour, the wearing of such Pearl gives very inauspicious results. Without any luster; with spots; one with dirt inside. If the pearls you have are free from any of these blemishes then you can safely use them. I would reconsider including the Amber. We should rember that jyotish gems are a prescription and not to be taken lightly...you wouldn't entertain the idea of adding other ingredients to a pharmaceutical prescription...neither should you alter a jyotish prescription. As for which books are a good starting point for a beginner, I recommend James Braha's "Ancient Hindu Astrology for the Modern Western Astrologer". This, his first book, was transcribed from taped talks with renowned astrologers such as Sri R. Santhanam and Sri Poputlal M. Pandia. The book is very easy to read and understand. You will find a link to where you can purchase this and other books on my website: http://jyotishvidya.com/recommend.htm Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com _______________________ - "nyree" <n8m8 <jyotish-vidya> Saturday, March 19, 2005 1:24 PM Re: Combust Jupiter? Dear Wendy, Thank you so much for all of the information. I just left the gemstone website you listed for me. Some of the pearls are a much better price than saving up for a yellow sapphire. Does the pearl need to be made into a ring with silver or gold and does part of the pearl need to touch the finger? Also, I'll probably still need to save up to get a pearl but I have some little freshwater pearls. Actually, today I made a bracelet from freshwater pearls, a couple pieces of amber and five Rudrashka beads. Maybe while I'm waiting I could make a ring out of the little freshwater pearls and still get some benefits??? Also, could you tell me where I could go online or a book I could get that will teach me the basics of Jyotish? Thank you very much again for all your help. Best Wishes, Nyree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Dear Nyree, >>Does the pearl need to be made into a ring with silver or gold and does part of the pearl need to touch the finger?<< Pearl is normally set in silver with the pearl touching the skin. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 dear wendy mr finn from demark told me this about gems that charts are nothing but our karmas good and bad combined and no body can buy good karmas in form of this gems kind regs jiger shah >"Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas >jyotish-vidya ><jyotish-vidya> >Re: Re: Combust Jupiter? >Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:19:22 +0800 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Dear Jiger, Is having a pacemaker inserted to maintain normal heart rhythm (which otherwise wouldn't be possible) buying good karma? Was the worldwide programme of vaccinating people against polio myelitis (which saved tens of thousands from the worst consequences of this crippling disease) buying good karma? Perhaps your friend, Mr. Finn, should rewrite the scriptures which abound with knowledge of remedial gems... Obviously he also disagrees with the great yogi Patanjali who tells us most certainly that; "The pain which is yet to come can and should be avoided." In the "Garuda Puranam," chap. 68, verse 17 it is stated by Sri Suta Goswami: "Pure, flawless gems have auspicious powers which can protect one from demons, snakes, poisons, diseases, sinful reactions, and other dangers, while flawed stones have the opposite affect." And from the ancient "Agni Puranam" chap. 246, slokas 7 & 8: "A gem free from all impurities and radiating its characteristic internal luster should be looked upon as an escort of good luck; A gem which is cracked, fissured, devoid of luster, or appearing rough or sandy, should not be used at all." And again in the chapters of Sri Garuda Puranam, we find this quote on rubies by Sri Suta Goswami: "A ruby, although genuine, should not be worn if it has strong color banding, excessive inclusions within like numerous internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a rough surface, or is dull and lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of ignorance, will suffer from disease, or loss of fortune." I agree we cannot change our karma...what is to come will come in spite of our best efforts to avoid it. However there is no doubt we can lessen the impact...the person with a pacemaker will not suddenly have a healthy heart in spite of the fact that the impact that condition has on his life has been greatly improved...in the same way jyotish remedial measures can help to lessen the impact of karmic afflictions. The reasoning of yourself and Mr. Finn would deny any intervention that may improve the suffering of mankind. Over the years you have got to know my views on this and other topics, and I also am aware of your oscillating views. So let's just agree to disagree and not turn this into a long-winded debate which will serve no-one. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ____________________________ - "jiger shah" <jigershah <jyotish-vidya> Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:49 PM Re: Re: Combust Jupiter? dear wendy mr finn from demark told me this about gems that charts are nothing but our karmas good and bad combined and no body can buy good karmas in form of this gems kind regs jiger shah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Dear Wendy, Even though Jiger's statement was addressed to you, I hope you don't mind if I enter my two cents worth? I was reading an article a few day's before posting here along the same lines as Jiger's point of view. Here is the article incase anyone is interested: http://www.astrojyoti.com/articleongems.htm I read the article, let my thoughts settle for awhile and still came to the conclusion that saving up money to get a gem was worth it. Here's why: Even if a person is aware of what their life will consist of before an incarnation and agrees to enter that life and evolve as a spirit, wouldn't God have prepared safety nets? For example, I for one can see myself being completely excited and anxious to get started with my current lifetime. I've had to deal with a lot of stuff (like so many other people) that I would'nt wish on anyone. I can honestly say that I feel lucky I've been able to gain wisdom and grow from my life experiences. I can also say that I will NEVER again (if I have any say in it at all) enter into another lifetime that sucks as much as this one has. I hope I'm explaining clearly as it's late and I'm in kind of a hurry. It's just like my belief regarding health. I've done research from a very young age regarding what this planet has to offer and have come to the conclusion that for almost every disease in existence today, there is a cure that comes straight from the earth. I believe we have only just scratched the surface of what can be learned about life and this planet. We've only just begun to learn just how much intelligence exists in even our plant life, let alone our animals, and yes, the gems of the earth as well. These things have been spoken about in spiritual writings for quite awhile but only within the past several years have I been reading articles from actual scientist's. I guess the point I'm trying to make is, yes, we all have karma that we need to deal with but I'm sure there are many people out there like me who would do anything for even a little relief. I was even saying to myself the other day that if I had the choice to ease through the rest of this life and deal with whatever fate has in store for me later, I would do it in a second, lol . If there are remedies out there that hold even the possibility of cure or relief, I say try them out. I for one will never stop searching for answers, cures, remedies, etc. I don't think the creator of the universe would want it any other way! Sorry if my writing is a little scrambled. Hope I made atleast a little sense. Wendy, have you ever tried or do you take Coenzyme Q10? It's not going to cure anything but it's darn good for the heart and a very powerful antioxidant as well. jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@j...> wrote: > Dear Jiger, > > Is having a pacemaker inserted to maintain normal heart rhythm > (which otherwise wouldn't be possible) buying good karma? Was the > worldwide programme of vaccinating people against polio myelitis > (which saved tens of thousands from the worst consequences of this > crippling disease) buying good karma? > > Perhaps your friend, Mr. Finn, should rewrite the scriptures which > abound with knowledge of remedial gems... Obviously he also > disagrees with the great yogi Patanjali who tells us most certainly > that; "The pain which is yet to come can and should be avoided." > > In the "Garuda Puranam," chap. 68, verse 17 it is stated by Sri Suta > Goswami: > "Pure, flawless gems have auspicious powers which can protect one > from demons, snakes, poisons, diseases, sinful reactions, and other > dangers, while flawed stones have the opposite affect." > > And from the ancient "Agni Puranam" chap. 246, slokas 7 & 8: > "A gem free from all impurities and radiating its characteristic > internal luster should be looked upon as an escort of good luck; A > gem which is cracked, fissured, devoid of luster, or appearing rough > or sandy, should not be used at all." > > And again in the chapters of Sri Garuda Puranam, we find this quote > on rubies by Sri Suta Goswami: > "A ruby, although genuine, should not be worn if it has strong color > banding, excessive inclusions within like numerous internal cracks, > a sandy appearance, a rough surface, or is dull and lusterless. > Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of ignorance, will suffer > from disease, or loss of fortune." > > I agree we cannot change our karma...what is to come will come in > spite of our best efforts to avoid it. However there is no doubt we > can lessen the impact...the person with a pacemaker will not > suddenly have a healthy heart in spite of the fact that the impact > that condition has on his life has been greatly improved...in the > same way jyotish remedial measures can help to lessen the impact of > karmic afflictions. The reasoning of yourself and Mr. Finn would > deny any intervention that may improve the suffering of mankind. > > Over the years you have got to know my views on this and other > topics, and I also am aware of your oscillating views. So let's just > agree to disagree and not turn this into a long-winded debate which > will serve no-one. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ____________________________ > > - > "jiger shah" <jigershah@m...> > <jyotish-vidya> > Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:49 PM > Re: Re: Combust Jupiter? > > > dear wendy > > mr finn from demark told me this about gems > > that charts are nothing but our karmas good and bad combined > > and no body can buy good karmas in form of this gems > > kind regs jiger shah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Dear Nyree, I have read the article and, in respose to the below comments, I have to say that neither myself nor any right-minded astrologer (that I know of) would ever be motivated to prescribe gems for a commission...I might also add that I've never even been approached with such an offer; obviously Mr. Tata and I travel in different circles. Of course it's a well-known fact that medical practitioners do receive lucrative commissions from drug companies...does this render the drugs useless? MR. S.P. TATA's ARTICLE: "A lot of practicing astrologers get some very lucrative "offers" from gem-sellers, from cuts in prescriptions to promoting gem-cure books. I get quite a few offers!! The average Indian astrologer gets less than Rs.100/- for a prediction. But if he prescribes a "Pukhraj" or yellow topaz, which is the most prescribed stone, its worth Rs.15000/ to Rs.25000/- and his cut is a cool 10%. It is normally prescribed with a warning, like " The quality and colour must be right and it must be flawless". So you see, either the gullible man buys it through the prescribing astrologer or brings it for his "approval" and the astrologer is assured of his commission!" Like everyone else I have heard of the unscrupulous practices of some Indian astrologers...but there are unscrupulous people in every field, every walk of life. All I can say about Mr. S. P. Tata, in regards to remedial measures, is that he is grossly misinformed. I find it interesting that this same fellow is offering Poojas, Ayurveda products, Rudraksha etc through his "online shop"...obviously on a commission basis. [the only afilliation I have is with Amazon.com in regards to books...which by the way has not yet had one referral (that I know of)...I'm offended by the suggestion that it might be otherwise] MR. S.P. TATA: "In the olden days the pundits or purohits were taken care by the society. The king would give them a piece of land, the village/township head would give them a house to live and the people used to give them clothes and food as an offering (Dakshina) for teaching them the sastras and for performing the various poojas. So the pundits taught the knowledge of the Vedic sastras freely and performed the poojas and remedies also freely and accepted whatever the people offered them without any demands in cash or kind. With the decline of the Vedic way of life this system broke down. The rulers and the people became more and more materialistic and so did the pundits. Slowly the commercialism has spoiled the standards of purity and sincerity. Today the lure of money through astrology remedies and poojas is so strong that even some Muslim "Astrologers" from neighboring Islamic countries are offering to do "yagyas" for exorbitant prices!! The common man is at a loss to know who is genuine and who is fake." I personally make no money whatsoever from jyotish...what I give is given freely with absolutely no thought of remunneration...in spite of the objections from my family who think I'm the world's greatest fool to have worked so hard for so many years and nothing to show for it but failing health. I do it because it's my destiny to do so....my karma, no less than that, no more than that. I have no ulterior motive and many a-time I wish my karma was different; I wish I could just walk away from all of this and enjoy the stillness of 'being' whilst there's still a being here to enjoy it, but obviously NOW is not the time for that. I might add that I rarely (if ever) prescribe gems - for a myarid of reasons, not the least of which is the controversy that surrounds it...and of course the cost which is beyond the reach of most, myself included. The subject was recently raised on another list and I'm regretting now that I ever got involved.. For my part the discussion on gems is at an end. PS: No I haven't tried Coenzyme Q10, although I have heard a lot about it. Once again the cost of these over-the-counter medications is prohibitive and with my husband no longer working such things are a luxury I can't afford. But I thank you for the suggestion :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com - "nyree" <n8m8 <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:33 PM Re: Combust Jupiter? Dear Wendy, Even though Jiger's statement was addressed to you, I hope you don't mind if I enter my two cents worth? I was reading an article a few day's before posting here along the same lines as Jiger's point of view. Here is the article incase anyone is interested: http://www.astrojyoti.com/articleongems.htm I read the article, let my thoughts settle for awhile and still came to the conclusion that saving up money to get a gem was worth it. Here's why: Even if a person is aware of what their life will consist of before an incarnation and agrees to enter that life and evolve as a spirit, wouldn't God have prepared safety nets? For example, I for one can see myself being completely excited and anxious to get started with my current lifetime. I've had to deal with a lot of stuff (like so many other people) that I would'nt wish on anyone. I can honestly say that I feel lucky I've been able to gain wisdom and grow from my life experiences. I can also say that I will NEVER again (if I have any say in it at all) enter into another lifetime that sucks as much as this one has. I hope I'm explaining clearly as it's late and I'm in kind of a hurry. It's just like my belief regarding health. I've done research from a very young age regarding what this planet has to offer and have come to the conclusion that for almost every disease in existence today, there is a cure that comes straight from the earth. I believe we have only just scratched the surface of what can be learned about life and this planet. We've only just begun to learn just how much intelligence exists in even our plant life, let alone our animals, and yes, the gems of the earth as well. These things have been spoken about in spiritual writings for quite awhile but only within the past several years have I been reading articles from actual scientist's. I guess the point I'm trying to make is, yes, we all have karma that we need to deal with but I'm sure there are many people out there like me who would do anything for even a little relief. I was even saying to myself the other day that if I had the choice to ease through the rest of this life and deal with whatever fate has in store for me later, I would do it in a second, lol . If there are remedies out there that hold even the possibility of cure or relief, I say try them out. I for one will never stop searching for answers, cures, remedies, etc. I don't think the creator of the universe would want it any other way! Sorry if my writing is a little scrambled. Hope I made atleast a little sense. Wendy, have you ever tried or do you take Coenzyme Q10? It's not going to cure anything but it's darn good for the heart and a very powerful antioxidant as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 --it's interesting to see that Mr. Tata has now removed the major portion of his derogative article which cast a slur on all right-minded astrologers. Perhaps now he will put his preconceived ideas aside and study what the scriptures say about remedial gems with an open and clear mind...or perhaps he means to write something even more scathing? I heard someone say not so long ago; "The thing about opinions is that one doesn't actually have to know anything to have one". Truer words were never spoken! Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ____________________ I have read the article and, in response to the below comments, I have to say that neither myself nor any right-minded astrologer (that I know of) would ever be motivated to prescribe gems for a commission...I might also add that I've never even been approached with such an offer; obviously Mr. Tata and I travel in different circles. Of course it's a well-known fact that medical practitioners do receive lucrative commissions from drug companies...does this render the drugs useless? MR. S.P. TATA's ARTICLE: "A lot of practicing astrologers get some very lucrative "offers" from gem-sellers, from cuts in prescriptions to promoting gem-cure books. I get quite a few offers!! The average Indian astrologer gets less than Rs.100/- for a prediction. But if he prescribes a "Pukhraj" or yellow topaz, which is the most prescribed stone, its worth Rs.15000/ to Rs.25000/- and his cut is a cool 10%. It is normally prescribed with a warning, like " The quality and colour must be right and it must be flawless". So you see, either the gullible man buys it through the prescribing astrologer or brings it for his "approval" and the astrologer is assured of his commission!" Like everyone else I have heard of the unscrupulous practices of some Indian astrologers...but there are unscrupulous people in every field, every walk of life. All I can say about Mr. S. P. Tata, in regards to remedial measures, is that he is grossly misinformed. I find it interesting that this same fellow is offering Poojas, Ayurveda products, Rudraksha etc through his "online shop"...obviously on a commission basis. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Dear Wendy, I'm a little confused by your response to me regarding my own decision to purchase a gem for myself despite reading the article on that website. I posted that link as an example to you, Jiger and whoever else is reading, that it's a matter of opinion and ultimately it's up to each individual to decide what's right for them. I apologize if that wasn't made clear to you in anyway. It wasn't meant to ruffle anyone's feathers or to evoke any kind of explaination on your part. It's clearly obvious to me ( as I'm sure it is to others as well) that you are not running this group to gain financially in any way. I was simply offering some thoughts on my part as to how I decided gems were the right way to go for me. Nothing more, nothing less. Wishing You Well, Nyree jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@j...> wrote: > Dear Nyree, > > I have read the article and, in respose to the below comments, I > have to say that neither myself nor any right-minded astrologer > (that I know of) would ever be motivated to prescribe gems for a > commission...I might also add that I've never even been approached > with such an offer; obviously Mr. Tata and I travel in different > circles. Of course it's a well-known fact that medical practitioners > do receive lucrative commissions from drug companies...does this > render the drugs useless? > > MR. S.P. TATA's ARTICLE: > "A lot of practicing astrologers get some very lucrative "offers" > from gem-sellers, from cuts in prescriptions to promoting gem-cure > books. I get quite a few offers!! The average Indian astrologer gets > less than Rs.100/- for a prediction. But if he prescribes a > "Pukhraj" or yellow topaz, which is the most prescribed stone, its > worth Rs.15000/ to Rs.25000/- and his cut is a cool 10%. It is > normally prescribed with a warning, like " The quality and colour > must be right and it must be flawless". So you see, either the > gullible man buys it through the prescribing astrologer or brings it > for his "approval" and the astrologer is assured of his commission!" > > Like everyone else I have heard of the unscrupulous practices of > some Indian astrologers...but there are unscrupulous people in every > field, every walk of life. All I can say about Mr. S. P. Tata, in > regards to remedial measures, is that he is grossly misinformed. I > find it interesting that this same fellow is offering Poojas, > Ayurveda products, Rudraksha etc through his "online > shop"...obviously on a commission basis. > > [the only afilliation I have is with Amazon.com in regards to > books...which by the way has not yet had one referral (that I know > of)...I'm offended by the suggestion that it might be otherwise] > > MR. S.P. TATA: > "In the olden days the pundits or purohits were taken care by the > society. The king would give them a piece of land, the > village/township head would give them a house to live and the people > used to give them clothes and food as an offering (Dakshina) for > teaching them the sastras and for performing the various poojas. So > the pundits taught the knowledge of the Vedic sastras freely and > performed the poojas and remedies also freely and accepted whatever > the people offered them without any demands in cash or kind. With > the decline of the Vedic way of life this system broke down. The > rulers and the people became more and more materialistic and so did > the pundits. Slowly the commercialism has spoiled the standards of > purity and sincerity. Today the lure of money through astrology > remedies and poojas is so strong that even some Muslim "Astrologers" > from neighboring Islamic countries are offering to do "yagyas" for > exorbitant prices!! The common man is at a loss to know who is > genuine and who is fake." > > I personally make no money whatsoever from jyotish...what I give is > given freely with absolutely no thought of remunneration...in spite > of the objections from my family who think I'm the world's greatest > fool to have worked so hard for so many years and nothing to show > for it but failing health. I do it because it's my destiny to do > so....my karma, no less than that, no more than that. I have no > ulterior motive and many a-time I wish my karma was different; I > wish I could just walk away from all of this and enjoy the stillness > of 'being' whilst there's still a being here to enjoy it, but > obviously NOW is not the time for that. > > I might add that I rarely (if ever) prescribe gems - for a myarid of > reasons, not the least of which is the controversy that surrounds > it...and of course the cost which is beyond the reach of most, > myself included. The subject was recently raised on another list and > I'm regretting now that I ever got involved.. > > For my part the discussion on gems is at an end. > > PS: No I haven't tried Coenzyme Q10, although I have heard a lot > about it. Once again the cost of these over-the-counter medications > is prohibitive and with my husband no longer working such things are > a luxury I can't afford. But I thank you for the suggestion :-) > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > - > "nyree" <n8m8> > <jyotish-vidya> > Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:33 PM > Re: Combust Jupiter? > > Dear Wendy, > > Even though Jiger's statement was addressed to you, I hope you don't > mind if I enter my two cents worth? > > I was reading an article a few day's before posting here along the > same lines as Jiger's point of view. Here is the article incase > anyone is interested: > > http://www.astrojyoti.com/articleongems.htm > > I read the article, let my thoughts settle for awhile and still came > to the conclusion that saving up money to get a gem was worth it. > Here's why: > > Even if a person is aware of what their life will consist of before > an incarnation and agrees to enter that life and evolve as a spirit, > wouldn't God have prepared safety nets? > > For example, I for one can see myself being completely excited and > anxious to get started with my current lifetime. I've had to deal > with a lot of stuff (like so many other people) that I would'nt wish > on anyone. I can honestly say that I feel lucky I've been able to > gain wisdom and grow from my life experiences. I can also say that > I will NEVER again (if I have any say in it at all) enter into > another lifetime that sucks as much as this one has. I hope I'm > explaining clearly as it's late and I'm in kind of a hurry. > > It's just like my belief regarding health. I've done research from > a very young age regarding what this planet has to offer and have > come to the conclusion that for almost every disease in existence > today, there is a cure that comes straight from the earth. > > I believe we have only just scratched the surface of what can be > learned about life and this planet. We've only just begun to learn > just how much intelligence exists in even our plant life, let alone > our animals, and yes, the gems of the earth as well. These things > have been spoken about in spiritual writings for quite awhile but > only within the past several years have I been reading articles from > actual scientist's. > > I guess the point I'm trying to make is, yes, we all have karma that > we need to deal with but I'm sure there are many people out there > like me who would do anything for even a little relief. I was even > saying to myself the other day that if I had the choice to ease > through the rest of this life and deal with whatever fate has in > store for me later, I would do it in a second, lol . > > If there are remedies out there that hold even the possibility of > cure or relief, I say try them out. I for one will never stop > searching for answers, cures, remedies, etc. I don't think the > creator of the universe would want it any other way! > > Sorry if my writing is a little scrambled. Hope I made atleast a > little sense. > > Wendy, have you ever tried or do you take Coenzyme Q10? It's not > going to cure anything but it's darn good for the heart and a very > powerful antioxidant as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Dear Nyree, Yes, the thought quickly crossed my mind that I did take this matter far too personally and, no doubt, the fact that my feathers can be ruffled so easily is a sure sign that I'm very much in need of a break...all work and no play, as they say. But that's about to be rectified as I'm leaving tomorrow (Wednesday) for a 10 day Vipassana retreat. I'm quite amazed at how quickly and effortlessly it all came about. Yesterday was not a good day, particularly on the home front and at one stage I found myself crying out "Oh! Blessed Mother, HELP". Shortly after I saw a mention (elsewhere) about Vipassana. It resonated deeply within me and a quick search revealed that, not only was there a centre here in Perth, there was a 10 day retreat beginning tomorrow. I quickly filled out the online registration and within a few hours I'd received confirmation that I was accepted for the course. Ten glorious days in a magnificent country setting, immersed in silence and deep meditation is the greatest blessing at this time in my life...thank you blessed Mother for hearing my prayer and responding so quickly! I hope you will also be quick to forgive my unreasonable reaction to the 'Gems' discussion, Nyree. I'm sure I'll be in much better spirits when I return to the list (April 4). Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com - "nyree" <n8m8 <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:06 AM Re: Combust Jupiter? Dear Wendy, I'm a little confused by your response to me regarding my own decision to purchase a gem for myself despite reading the article on that website. I posted that link as an example to you, Jiger and whoever else is reading, that it's a matter of opinion and ultimately it's up to each individual to decide what's right for them. I apologize if that wasn't made clear to you in anyway. It wasn't meant to ruffle anyone's feathers or to evoke any kind of explaination on your part. It's clearly obvious to me ( as I'm sure it is to others as well) that you are not running this group to gain financially in any way. I was simply offering some thoughts on my part as to how I decided gems were the right way to go for me. Nothing more, nothing less. Wishing You Well, Nyree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 DEAR PLS DONT SEND ALL THIS MAIL TO MY EMAIL ADDRESES REGARDS RAJESH India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Dear Rajesh, Having your mail preference set to "individual mail" indicates that you wish all group mails to be forwarded to your email address. To change this preference to "no mail" means that you can select which mails you read from the jyotish-vidya group page (at ) when it's convenient for you to do so and none will be sent to your email address. I have changed your preference to "no mail" for you. Should you wish to alter this (or read the mail on line): go to jyotish-vidya Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com - "RAJESH MANWANI" <simrajesh <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:22 PM Re: Re: Combust Jupiter? DEAR PLS DONT SEND ALL THIS MAIL TO MY EMAIL ADDRESES REGARDS RAJESH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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