Guest guest Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Dear Amar Puri, I'm sure you're aware that, as Saturn and Sun are natural enemies, B.Sapphire and Ruby should never be worn together. This is a basic rule that all qualified PGA's (planetary gem advisors) should be aware of. Prescribing gems carries a huge responsibility as undoubtedly they have a significant effect. The first rule of thumb should always be "When in doubt don't". Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com/gems.htm ____________________ valist, "fas fas" <foreignersassistance@h...> wrote: Hello dear Smita, Hare Krishna. It is very important that one must wear the gem stones only at auspicious time. As soon as you have all these stones put in a pendent and ready to wear, please let me know which place you live and I shall advise you the appropriate time accordingly. Yes, Blue Sapphire 4.65 carat or above, same weight for Yellow Sapphire, Ruby and Emerald, Diamond 1 carat or a good quality Zircon 10 carat. If you are using substitude, the weight has to be more which please note. He has no problem wearing Blue Sapphire. Saturn being debilitated and combusted operating with weak combusted Mercury in the 9h of Mars controlling fortune needs to be strengthened because strong malefic unafflicted MOON occupies the weak 7h of Saturn which can harm both your health and happiness. However, a strong aspect of Mars to Moon does pacify the malefic effects of MOON. Any way carry on the propitiatory measurers for the malefics MOON, Rahu and Ketu as advised earlier, and the strengthening measurers for the better result. As you wrote that he has Ruby and Blue Sapphire, if the weight is correct and in a ring form, hopefully gold, I can work out to give you the auspicious time as soon as you let me know which place your husband lives and he can also begin to propitiate the malefics MOON, Rahu and Ketu. He should remove all the stones and wear it again on elected auspicious time. Hari BOL. With my best wishes..............AMAR PURI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Dear Mrs.Wendy, This message of mine may not be well accepted among "Gem" lovers, however daring to put up for my personal learning. I somehow don't favour wearing Gems primarily because of two reasons- 1. The principles of Jyotish find it's roots in Karma in individual life. One is supposed to receive the result of his/her past karma in the present incarnation. Planets are not result givers, they are indicators of the results one is going to get due to their past Karma. Hence i am not sure how "pacifying" planets by wearing gems really help. 2. Every planet represents a set of colours, fruits, grains, places etc along with individual gems. Why should one pay fortune for real gems inspite of recoursing to much less expensive means e.g. wearing clothes of the same colour more often etc. Best regards, Sumit jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@j...> wrote: > Dear Amar Puri, > > I'm sure you're aware that, as Saturn and Sun are natural enemies, > B.Sapphire and Ruby should never be worn together. This is a basic > rule that all qualified PGA's (planetary gem advisors) should be > aware of. > > Prescribing gems carries a huge responsibility as undoubtedly they > have a significant effect. The first rule of thumb should always be > "When in doubt don't". > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com/gems.htm > ____________________ > > valist, "fas fas" <foreignersassistance@h...> > wrote: > > Hello dear Smita, > > Hare Krishna. > > It is very important that one must wear the gem stones only at > auspicious > time. As soon as you have all these stones put in a pendent and > ready to > wear, please let me know which place you live and I shall advise > you the > appropriate time accordingly. > > Yes, Blue Sapphire 4.65 carat or above, same weight for Yellow > Sapphire, > Ruby and Emerald, Diamond 1 carat or a good quality Zircon 10 > carat. If > you are using substitude, the weight has to be more which please > note. > > He has no problem wearing Blue Sapphire. Saturn being debilitated > and > combusted operating with weak combusted Mercury in the 9h of Mars > controlling fortune needs to be strengthened because strong malefic > unafflicted MOON occupies the weak 7h of Saturn which can harm both > your > health and happiness. However, a strong aspect of Mars to Moon does > pacify > the malefic effects of MOON. Any way carry on the propitiatory > measurers > for the malefics MOON, Rahu and Ketu as advised earlier, and the > strengthening measurers for the better result. > > As you wrote that he has Ruby and Blue Sapphire, if the weight is > correct > and in a ring form, hopefully gold, I can work out to give you the > auspicious time as soon as you let me know which place your husband > lives > and he can also begin to propitiate the malefics MOON, Rahu and > Ketu. > He should remove all the stones and wear it again on elected > auspicious > time. > > Hari BOL. > > With my best wishes..............AMAR PURI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Dear Sumit, Yes, you're correct. Gems are a very powerful remedy but, as you say, there are other (less expensive) options. I for one could never afford a gem of Jyotish quality... and, as I'm sure you've observed, I rarely prescribe them for this very reason. Also of course, because their effect is so intense, one has to be absolutely certain that the gem is not going to conflict with any other planets (or dasa lords)...the relationship between the planets can be quite complicated. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com - "sumit_dasgupta" <sumit_dasgupta <jyotish-vidya> Monday, March 14, 2005 2:47 PM Re: Auspicious time......... Dear Mrs.Wendy, This message of mine may not be well accepted among "Gem" lovers, however daring to put up for my personal learning. I somehow don't favour wearing Gems primarily because of two reasons- 1. The principles of Jyotish find it's roots in Karma in individual life. One is supposed to receive the result of his/her past karma in the present incarnation. Planets are not result givers, they are indicators of the results one is going to get due to their past Karma. Hence i am not sure how "pacifying" planets by wearing gems really help. 2. Every planet represents a set of colours, fruits, grains, places etc along with individual gems. Why should one pay fortune for real gems inspite of recoursing to much less expensive means e.g. wearing clothes of the same colour more often etc. Best regards, Sumit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Dear Ashutosh, Yes, you're correct. YogaKaraka Mars has the auspicious 9th bhava (solutions to problems, good-fortune, providence etc) as his moolatrikona sign and, if I'm not mistaken, occupying 10th from Moon (the only planet he aspects) his influence is as a friend. Life can be much smoother with the help of friends...we should be careful not to strengthen the influence of enemies. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com valist, "Astrologer Ashutosh" <astrologerashutosh> wrote: Mrs. Wendy, You are so right. By strengthening two mutually enemical planets one will get null effects. To my understanding, no planet is weak or strong but it gives either negative or positive results. It is like having nine children in a class out of whom some are disciplined, obedient and intelligent, while some are naughty, disobedient and poor in studies. If you have to give monitoring powers and authority to some of them, would you chose the good student or the bad one. The gems give powers to planetary influences in our horoscopes. Therefore, I suggested red coral to smita instead of blue sapphire and ruby. Ashutosh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Hi Dear Wendy, Nice to see you on this chart and giving your thoughts on gem recommendation. I had hoped for you to see the correspondence going on and could give your thoughts on this, many thanks. Interesting regarding strengthening Mars, and I see your thoughts and reasoning here. It's interesting also in seeing that Mars aspect onto Moon here is positive due to this Mars in this chart. I would not have thought of it in this way just due to it being Mars himself and this is enlightening for me to see this here. Separately, I'm guessing you did see my mails referring to you on this. For my understanding and learning more regarding strengthening with gems, what are your thoughts on the fact that Sun is such a strong significator of both 1st and 8th houses in this chart? Is this involving 8th house something that would stop you from using a gem for Sun although lord of this 1H Leo? This is really a general question in coming to understand the use of gems and in this chart there's such a perfect opportunity for really understanding this, being first it is the Sun here and in gandanta, and then even lord of 1H... and then this definite connection here with the 8th. Sweet wishes, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Dear Amar, I'm wondering here about the thoughts that he hasn't experienced any negative side effects by wearing these gems. From all Smita has written on the extreme difficulties he's been going through for over a year and her reasons for writing to the list during this time although he was wearing these gems. Also what she has mentioned regarding his thinking being out of his natural character, becoming bitter.. etc.. Best wishes, Patrice ______________ Smita's husband has been wearing Ruby and blue Sapphire long before without any negative side effects beside as per SA., SUN and Saturn are functional benefic planets for the Leo Asdt. of her husband's horoscope. ______ As it appears that her husband has been wearing the Ruby ring for some time, if I am not mistaken. So, Ruby is not giving any bad effect as you might have thought of otherwise. Smita: >He is a gem of a human being, kind, generous to a fault, understanding >and caring. From a long time now, he has been under a negative cloud, >one that is sapping his mental strength and energies. Being stabbed in >the back by the very same people he went out of his way to help, he is >also becoming very bitter and cynical about life, something thats >against his natural grain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Whoops, sent to wrong list. For those who are watching regarding gems and these posts, this was started on Das' list. _______ Dear Amar, I'm wondering here about the thoughts that he hasn't experienced any negative side effects by wearing these gems. From all Smita has written on the extreme difficulties he's been going through for over a year and her reasons for writing to the list during this time although he was wearing these gems. Also what she has mentioned regarding his thinking being out of his natural character, becoming bitter.. etc.. Best wishes, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Dear Patrice, Yes, I did eventually see your mail (on Valist). I don't always have time to visit other groups, unfortunately, and am more likely than not to miss mails addressed to me there. Lagnesh Sun in this chart is rather complicated with several planets suffering combustion. It's my opinion that, although lagnesh is charged with the duty to protect the native, this is not necessarily so for the significations of other planets. Sun is an enemy of Venus and Saturn and both are combust...burnt by the close proximity to the rays of Sun. Phala Deepika states that a combust planet becomes powerless and is similar to that in debilitation...what would be the effect on these (combust) planets if the native were to wear a Ruby? It's said that during the dasa of a combust planet one will suffer as indicated by its significations and house ownership unless it's beneficially aspected. In this case combust Venus is aspected by Jupiter who himself is afflicted and is a temporary enemy to Venus. The whole chart is very complicated and I'm not comfortable prescribing any remedy, save for increasing the strength of 9th lord. Even then Mars is a bitter enemy of dasa lord Saturn (natural enemy occupying 8th therefrom). Some charts are quite complicated and it's best to just leave well enough alone and advise the native to perform navagraha puja to bring harmony to all the grahas. In the same way the native can benefit by reciting the Navagraha Stotram. We have to acknowledge our limitations and not try vainly to come up with a remedy just for the sake of it. If you scroll down the page (following link) you'll see a link to a Navagraha Stotram audio file: http://jyotishvidya.com/gems.htm Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com - "Patrice Curry" <patricecurry <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:05 AM Re: RE: Auspicious time......... Hi Dear Wendy, Nice to see you on this chart and giving your thoughts on gem recommendation. I had hoped for you to see the correspondence going on and could give your thoughts on this, many thanks. Interesting regarding strengthening Mars, and I see your thoughts and reasoning here. It's interesting also in seeing that Mars aspect onto Moon here is positive due to this Mars in this chart. I would not have thought of it in this way just due to it being Mars himself and this is enlightening for me to see this here. Separately, I'm guessing you did see my mails referring to you on this. For my understanding and learning more regarding strengthening with gems, what are your thoughts on the fact that Sun is such a strong significator of both 1st and 8th houses in this chart? Is this involving 8th house something that would stop you from using a gem for Sun although lord of this 1H Leo? This is really a general question in coming to understand the use of gems and in this chart there's such a perfect opportunity for really understanding this, being first it is the Sun here and in gandanta, and then even lord of 1H... and then this definite connection here with the 8th. Sweet wishes, Patrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Dear Tanvir, You are absolutely correct and I do apologise for using such terminology. I should have realised that the term *PGA* would have absolutely no meaning for one who is unfamiliar with it...once again I do apologise for that. However let's put all loyalties, that may cloud our reasoning, aside for a moment and consider, with an open mind, why it is that Gems of planets that are inimical to each other should not be worn together...it doesn't take an Einstein to figure this one out :-) All traditional Jyotish, familiar with the tenets laid down in classic literature, agree that Gemstones of mutually inimical planets should never be used simultaneously as they will certainly prove to be very adverse. The natural animosity between the owners of the gemstones can be visible in the life of native, where we can witness; the native is caught between many undesirable circumstances without his fault. Parashara states: "Note the signs which are the 4th, 2nd, 12th, 5th, 9th, and the 8th from the Moolatrikona of a planet. The planets ruling such signs are its friends, apart from the lord of its exaltation sign. Lords other than these are its enemies. If a planet becomes its friend as well as its enemy (temporary relationship) then it is neutral or equal." I have neither the desire nor the time to get involved in a lengthy debate here so I'll let this be my last word on the topic, except to encourage all to put their prejudices/loyalties aside and study the scriptures with an open mind. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________ valist, "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> wrote: I do not think he is to listen to PGA standard rules (Or anything else) he already is well versed in System Approach, which for certain ascendants assigns all seven major planets as benefics and so as per SA all those seven planets can very safely be strengthened with gemstones :-D Tanvir ____________________ - Wendy Vasicek valist Cc: jyotish-vidya Monday, March 14, 2005 10:04 AM RE: Auspicious time......... Dear Amar Puri, I'm sure you're aware that, as Saturn and Sun are natural enemies, B.Sapphire and Ruby should never be worn together. This is a basic rule that all qualified PGA's (planetary gem advisors) should be aware of. Prescribing gems carries a huge responsibility as undoubtedly they have a significant effect. The first rule of thumb should always be "When in doubt don't". Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com/gems.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Some food for thought... Two enemies are in the uncomfortable position of having to live side-by side, then along comes a misguided arbitrator and hands them both a weapon... in order, supposedly, that each one may be strengthened. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com __________________________ Dear Tanvir, You are absolutely correct and I do apologise for using such terminology. I should have realised that the term *PGA* would have absolutely no meaning for one who is unfamiliar with it...once again I do apologise for that. However let's put all loyalties, that may cloud our reasoning, aside for a moment and consider, with an open mind, why it is that Gems of planets that are inimical to each other should not be worn together...it doesn't take an Einstein to figure this one out :-) All traditional Jyotish, familiar with the tenets laid down in classic literature, agree that Gemstones of mutually inimical planets should never be used simultaneously as they will certainly prove to be very adverse. The natural animosity between the owners of the gemstones can be visible in the life of native, where we can witness; the native is caught between many undesirable circumstances without his fault. Parashara states: "Note the signs which are the 4th, 2nd, 12th, 5th, 9th, and the 8th from the Moolatrikona of a planet. The planets ruling such signs are its friends, apart from the lord of its exaltation sign. Lords other than these are its enemies. If a planet becomes its friend as well as its enemy (temporary relationship) then it is neutral or equal." I have neither the desire nor the time to get involved in a lengthy debate here so I'll let this be my last word on the topic, except to encourage all to put their prejudices/loyalties aside and study the scriptures with an open mind. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________ valist, "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> wrote: I do not think he is to listen to PGA standard rules (Or anything else) he already is well versed in System Approach, which for certain ascendants assigns all seven major planets as benefics and so as per SA all those seven planets can very safely be strengthened with gemstones :-D Tanvir ____________________ - Wendy Vasicek valist Cc: jyotish-vidya Monday, March 14, 2005 10:04 AM RE: Auspicious time......... Dear Amar Puri, I'm sure you're aware that, as Saturn and Sun are natural enemies, B.Sapphire and Ruby should never be worn together. This is a basic rule that all qualified PGA's (planetary gem advisors) should be aware of. Prescribing gems carries a huge responsibility as undoubtedly they have a significant effect. The first rule of thumb should always be "When in doubt don't". Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com/gems.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Addendum: Would it not be a better idea, to look at the Dasas and wear a single gem at a time? I know a native who wears both, an emerald and a coral as pendants around her neck and is forever quarrelling. Another query I have is that why do we wear Navratna? Are we then assuming that the gems in the Navratna are balancing each other? Rgds., K On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:23:56 +0800, Wendy Vasicek <wenvas wrote: > > Some food for thought... > > Two enemies are in the uncomfortable position of having to live > side-by side, then along comes a misguided arbitrator and hands them > both a weapon... in order, supposedly, that each one may be > strengthened. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > __________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Dear Kundalika, It's said that the navaratna brings harmony to all the grahas and, with the cooperation of all, even if one (or two?) are not in a good position they will be balanced by the others...somewhat different to giving dominance to two inimical planets. I'm not (at all) sure but there may be some reference to this in Varahmihira. Of course some also have the opinion that navaratna should not be worn. I'll search my library when time permits and see what references I can come up with. Wearing the gem for dasa lord is often advised but the same considerations (nature of planet/effect of aspects etc) would apply. For instance if dasa lord was malefic to lagna and aspecting lagna lord one would rather propitiate the planet through prayer and fasting rather than increasing its maleficence by wearing a gem, don't you agree? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com - "Kundalika Shastri" <kundalika <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, March 16, 2005 5:48 PM Re: Auspicious time......... Addendum: Would it not be a better idea, to look at the Dasas and wear a single gem at a time? I know a native who wears both, an emerald and a coral as pendants around her neck and is forever quarrelling. Another query I have is that why do we wear Navratna? Are we then assuming that the gems in the Navratna are balancing each other? Rgds., K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Hi Dear Wendy, Thank you so much for your very clear thoughts here and taking the time to explain this fully. I too miss many posts on the VaList but had taken a look at that particular chart that night and I was interested to see the reasons for the specific response given for gems from someone on that list, and didn't feel it was correct information for this woman in seemingly such a desparate state. Interestingly, the native of chart has the exact degree lagna as mine, I'm sure contributing to my viewing this chart... I was hoping you would see it and didn't wish to write to you separately knowing how you are already busy and this from a different list. But, I was very intrigued and eager to hear your thoughts on the planetary gem recommendation if you were to see it. Also due to looking at this chart, I had gone to your website and browsed again and found yet more there! Your 'Vibrations of Our Universe' page article is very good Wendy... Also I did note and enjoy your Navagraha Stotram. Really great that you've offered it there along with so much more at this wonderful site of yours! Specifically to this chart: Yes, this is a very complicated chart in as far as selecting gems. This is VERY interesting what you've said with respect to lagnesh Sun being protective of native -- however not so with respect to the significations of the two combust planets. This more in depth thinking taking in these further results of this lagnesh Sun on these combust planests in this particular chart. Also my main question regarding the 1st and 8th houses I have wondered about often on simpler charts as well, just the fact that it is both 1st and 8th.. I was then thinking perhaps only doing propritiation via chanting, etc.. versus gems, which seems much safer and works also. In using medical astrology, a gandanta planet is a serious blemish and needs some help. - I am happy to see your thoughts on this and your recommendations on gem or no gem and then what planet and gem you've chosen and your reasons. Also with so much going on in this chart it does seem best with Navagraha Puja and Navagraha Stotram. Any of us living near temples where one can easily go and have this puja done are very fortunate. As well this can be done for those not within distance of a temple. Many thanks as always. Best thoughts, Patrice _________ Dear Patrice, Yes, I did eventually see your mail (on Valist). I don't always have time to visit other groups, unfortunately, and am more likely than not to miss mails addressed to me there. Lagnesh Sun in this chart is rather complicated with several planets suffering combustion. It's my opinion that, although lagnesh is charged with the duty to protect the native, this is not necessarily so for the significations of other planets. Sun is an enemy of Venus and Saturn and both are combust...burnt by the close proximity to the rays of Sun. Phala Deepika states that a combust planet becomes powerless and is similar to that in debilitation...what would be the effect on these (combust) planets if the native were to wear a Ruby? It's said that during the dasa of a combust planet one will suffer as indicated by its significations and house ownership unless it's beneficially aspected. In this case combust Venus is aspected by Jupiter who himself is afflicted and is a temporary enemy to Venus. The whole chart is very complicated and I'm not comfortable prescribing any remedy, save for increasing the strength of 9th lord. Even then Mars is a bitter enemy of dasa lord Saturn (natural enemy occupying 8th therefrom). Some charts are quite complicated and it's best to just leave well enough alone and advise the native to perform navagraha puja to bring harmony to all the grahas. In the same way the native can benefit by reciting the Navagraha Stotram. We have to acknowledge our limitations and not try vainly to come up with a remedy just for the sake of it. If you scroll down the page (following link) you'll see a link to a Navagraha Stotram audio file: http://jyotishvidya.com/gems.htm Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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