Recognition

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Dear List,

 

During this quiet time I've been led to ponder the fact that,

although there are many exceptionally talented people in this world,

very few receive recognition. According to the dictums of jyotish

one's ability to be recognised is seen from lagna. The

position/strength of lagna lord is paramount, as is the 10th bhava

paramount in terms of publicity/fame connected to one's activities

in this world. However, the level of recognition/publicity is not

(always) the best yardstick for ability/talent. Many great artists

remain hidden, many great thinkers are disregarded, many

accomplished jyotisha remain unrecognised.

 

The experienced jyotisha will see all this in the horoscope and the

wise will recognise that fame and ability are separate things

entirely. Few look deep enough into a chart to see the motives

behind the ambition...and so forth. Yet all these things are clearly

visible.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

[Guest guest]

Wendy ji,

 

You have bought out a very important point. In an English

translation of the Hitopadesa, one animal says to another:

 

I have seen the sun and the moon swallowed by deamons, I have

seen ignomy heaped on the intelligent, and honour on the

dull-witted, and from this I have divined that Fate is all

powerful.

 

I'm not putting the above in quotes because I'm not 100% sure if

this is exactly what I read.

 

> According to the dictums of jyotish one's ability to be

> recognised is seen from lagna. The position/strength of lagna

> lord is paramount, as is the 10th bhava

> paramount in terms of publicity/fame connected to one's

> activities in this world.

 

You are right, Wendy ji! Additionally, I think that the 5th and

the 9th are also crucial. The 5th represents "poorva punya" and

without the accumulated merits of past births, one cannot rise.

Similarly, without the luck of the 9th house, one cannot achieve

much.

 

Also, for recognition, maybe, destruction of the 6th house -

either by Sani's aspect, or by being occupied by a krura graha,

or by being occupied by a dushtana lord - helps in destroying

opposition.

 

Wendy ji, there is one question I have wanted to ask you, but

have hesitated. How do you explain poorva punya? I ask this,

because, as a Hindu, this is something I understand well. Once,

I told a friend of mine, an Indian Christian (Roman Catholic)

about Poorva Punya and the 5th house, and she was uncomfortable

with the whole idea. I think that you too are a Christian - so,

what do you feel about Poorva Punya?

 

 

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

In a chart, 11th lord too plays a vital role in brining recognition

to a person.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

 

 

Dear List,

 

During this quiet time I've been led to ponder the fact that,

although there are many exceptionally talented people in this world,

very few receive recognition. According to the dictums of jyotish

one's ability to be recognised is seen from lagna. The

position/strength of lagna lord is paramount, as is the 10th bhava

paramount in terms of publicity/fame connected to one's activities

in this world. However, the level of recognition/publicity is not

(always) the best yardstick for ability/talent. Many great artists

remain hidden, many great thinkers are disregarded, many

accomplished jyotisha remain unrecognised.

 

The experienced jyotisha will see all this in the horoscope and the

wise will recognise that fame and ability are separate things

entirely. Few look deep enough into a chart to see the motives

behind the ambition...and so forth. Yet all these things are clearly

visible.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

[Guest guest]

Dear Balaji and All,

 

Just a quick response whilst I'm still here...had planned to leave

today for a little break, but now can't go till tomorrow evening...I

expect to be away until next Monday.

 

You Wrote:

>>You have bought out a very important point. In an English

translation of the Hitopadesa, one animal says to another:

I have seen the sun and the moon swallowed by deamons, I have

seen ignomy heaped on the intelligent, and honour on the

dull-witted, and from this I have divined that Fate is all

powerful.<<

 

A good quote! Sums up my point beautifully.

 

>>You are right, Wendy ji! Additionally, I think that the 5th and

the 9th are also crucial. The 5th represents "poorva punya" and

without the accumulated merits of past births, one cannot rise.

Similarly, without the luck of the 9th house, one cannot achieve

much.<<

 

To the best of my knowledge both 5th and 9th represent "past life

credit" (poorva punya)...but this can manifest in many ways, not

necessarily in area of public recognition, wouldn't you say?

 

>>Wendy ji, there is one question I have wanted to ask you, but

have hesitated. How do you explain poorva punya? I ask this,

because, as a Hindu, this is something I understand well. Once,

I told a friend of mine, an Indian Christian (Roman Catholic)

about Poorva Punya and the 5th house, and she was uncomfortable

with the whole idea.<<

 

Roman Catholics are uncomfortable with jyotish period, as it goes

against the Church's teaching on reincarnation...a little hard to

fathom given that the birth of Christ was heralded by the "magi" who

foretold the birth of a messiah at a given time and place according

to their (astrological) calculations. See:

http://jyotishvidya.com/biblical.htm

 

I think one has to distinguish between the doctrine of the "church"

which denies the concept of reincarnation and Christ's teaching of

cause and effect - As ye sow, so shall ye reap...

 

>>I think that you too are a Christian - so,

what do you feel about Poorva Punya?<<

 

Yes, I am a Christian and I find there's nothing more uplifting for

me than to go to mass...when I can convince this lazy body to do so!

I've found many spiritual treasures in Christian prayer. At the same

time I have no trouble recognising the treasures contained in all

religious practices...and certainly no problem grasping the

principle of Poorva Punya. No doubt this is due to exalted 9th lord

Mercury in 9th...the intellect finds the same "Truth" in all.

 

I'm well aware however that there are many (of every religious

persuasion) who find it difficult to go beyond their own boundaries.

I believe however that exalted 12th lord Jupiter is of assistance

(for me) in this regard. 12th house of loss, as we know, indicates

ALL LOSSES including loss of boundaries - geographical boundaries,

boundaries of consciousness (moksha) etc, etc..

 

I read something recently on the Sri Vyuha site that, although the

terminology is distinctively Hindu, describes perfectly the faith

Christians have in the salvation of Christ...

 

Sri Vyuha:

"... However, if the jîva has appealed to an aspect of God for

salvation, it will be saved from this experience after the death of

the body and quickly ushered back to the blissful safety of the body

of Krishna."

 

>>Also, for recognition, maybe, destruction of the 6th house -

either by Sani's aspect, or by being occupied by a krura graha,

or by being occupied by a dushtana lord - helps in destroying

opposition.<<

 

Indeed one's ability to rise above their competitors/rivals is an

important factor...particularly for sportsmen and polititians. But

(again) I believe lagna lord should be strong enough that the native

himself doesn't go unnoticed, and that 10th house holds the promise

of success in the public arena. Of course there are varying degrees

of success...it's never just black and white...a person may gain

recognition after much struggle, public rise may be followed by a

fall, and not forgetting the subtleties of fame and infamy.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravindramani,

 

I agree certainly that a favourable 11th house can indicate

popularity within one's community, social group etc.. Community, of

course, encompassing such things as jyotish community and so forth.

 

But do we not know of those who have great popularity within their

own circles yet struggle to gain broader recognition...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

 

 

-

"ravindramani" <ravindramani

<jyotish-vidya>

Tuesday, February 22, 2005 6:24 PM

Re: Recognition

 

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

In a chart, 11th lord too plays a vital role in brining recognition

to a person.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

[Guest guest]

Dear Balaji and All,

 

>>I think one has to distinguish between the doctrine of the

>>"church"

which denies the concept of reincarnation and Christ's teaching of

cause and effect - As ye sow, so shall ye reap...<<

 

Actually I think the above statement is totally unfare to the

theologeans and short-sighted on my behalf. I feel that the

(church's) doctrine on reincarnation is less to do with denying

reincarnation per se and everything to do with Christ's sacrifice on

the cross for our sins and our salvation. The church teaches that

the debt of our sins (karma if you will) was paid on that

cross...the ultimate yagna (sacrifice)...hence freeing those who

believe in him from the endless cycle of birth and death. It's on

this basis, I believe, that reincarnation is not accepted in the

Christian faith...

 

Each religion is concerned with final liberation

(salvation/enlightenment) and each has its way of achieving

that...many paths, but the ultimate goal is the same :-)

 

The grahas have dictated the path I take in this life and through

their grace alone I see the goal, the one ultimate goal, of all

religions. I believe strongly that each one of us is on the path

that's right for him/her at this time. No doubt there are many

fanatical Christians just as there are fanatics in every religion,

unfortunately. I trust however that this group has the wisdom to

realise that all prejudice springs from ignorance...understanding

and respecting all religions is a great step towards enlightenment.

We can see, by the hasty reply I gave to Balaji's question on

Poorvapunya, how easy (and unwittingly) it is to contribute to the

collective misconceptions that, all too often, breed hatred.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

Yes the strength of the lagna / lagna lord is a necessary condition

for recognition. The 4th house and Cancer stands for mass appeal, the

10th house standing for action.A positive Rahu will increase our

connection with the masses . What about ill-fame? If when these houses

are in the control of strong malefic planets, will ill-fame result?

 

 

regards

 

arun

[Guest guest]

Wendy ji,

 

> A good quote! Sums up my point beautifully.

 

I had read Hitopadesa many years ago, before I picked up

Jyotish. But, when I read it again, I found several interesting

things. FOr example:

 

* A creature, even if pierced by a hundred arrows, will live if

the hour of its death has not approached. However, when the time

of death comes, even a blade of grass can ensure its

destruction.

 

* That which is protected by fate, though otherwise unguarded,

will survive, while that which is protected on all sides will

perish if it is smitten by fate.

 

I'm quoting from memory, so the words may not be exact.

 

> To the best of my knowledge both 5th and 9th represent "past

> life credit" (poorva punya)...but this can manifest in many

> ways, not necessarily in area of public recognition, wouldn't

> you say?

 

True, Wendy ji. I only meant that, without poorva punya, general

achievement - including recognition - is not possible.

 

Regarding, religion and Christianity, yes, you have made a

wonderful point!

 

> No doubt this is due to exalted 9th lord

> Mercury in 9th...the intellect finds the same "Truth" in all.

 

> I'm well aware however that there are many (of every religious

 

> persuasion) who find it difficult to go beyond their own

> boundaries.

 

Ironically, the person concerned has Guru as Lagnadipati in

Lagna, and Surya in own house Simha. I unfortunately can't share

the birth details without the concerned person's permission.

However, she is very religious, but, maybe, Surya - the king -

in his own house, a fixed sign, might not make her flexible. In

your case, 9th lord is in a common sign. Maybe, this is the

reason why you are willing to go beyond boundaries, and not she?

 

But, whatever the reason, I'm very happy to see that you have

accepted Jyotish, without any contradiction with Christianity.

Very few can do it. Many of my friends wonder how I remain so

devoted to both science and religion, but to me, God created

Science too!

 

As a Hindu who went to a convent school, I respect Christ, who

has a lot in common with Rama - forgiveness, compassion, etc.

 

> Indeed one's ability to rise above their competitors/rivals is

 

> an important factor...particularly for sportsmen and

> polititians.

 

> But (again) I believe lagna lord should be strong enough that

> the native himself doesn't go unnoticed, and that 10th house

> holds the promise of success in the public arena.

 

Very true! So, we need the following to be strong:

 

House/Reason

1 - General strength

5/9 - Luck

10 - success in Karma

6 - Destroyed!

 

Of course, for money, 2/11 also need to be strong.

 

 

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Editor, The Partial Art of Detection

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