Aspecting Rahu/Ketu - Wendy

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You're aspecting the houses from its rule, correct? So, for instances a 6th

house Aquarius - Rahu and a 12th house Leo - Ketu would be aspected by Aquarius

ruler Saturn (3, 7, 10) and the Leo ruler Sun (7)

 

Deb

 

Debra Mehren <dqm51 wrote:

Dear Wendy,

 

Thanks for the clarification. Also, too, I am reading the interesting exchange

between you and Babu on the subject.

 

Best,

Debra

 

Wendy Vasicek <wenvas wrote:

Dear Debra,

 

The nodes do not aspect nor are they aspected. The house they occupy

may of course be aspected but they themselves are not.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

 

 

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"Debra" <dqm51

<jyotish-vidya>

Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:02 AM

Aspecting Rahu/Ketu

 

 

 

Hi Everyone,

 

I have a couple of questions regarding Rahu/Ketu

 

I have seen others aspect these two nodes. I have never done that

accept recognized them in polar opposite of natal chart.

 

Does Rahu/Ketu who often are regarded also as a Mars and Saturn

affect get aspected and how is that down? Are they aspected as Mars

and Saturn would be?

 

Confused

Debra

 

 

 

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Dear Debra,

 

>>You're aspecting the houses from its rule, correct? So, for

>>instances a 6th house Aquarius - Rahu and a 12th house Leo - Ketu

>>would be aspected by Aquarius ruler Saturn (3, 7, 10) and the Leo

>>ruler Sun (7)<<

 

I'm not sure I understand your question (or even if it's adressed to

me?). However I'll answer it as I think it's related to my comment

below.

 

>>The nodes do not aspect nor are they aspected. The house they

>>occupy

may of course be aspected but they themselves are not.<<

 

I was referring to graha aspects and not the (Jaimini) sign aspects,

which in any case is interpreted differently to what you've stated

i.e. the sign, and any planets occupying that sign, aspect the other

sign. More information on sign aspects can be seen in the following

chapter of BPHS: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch8.htm I know just how

difficult it can be to differentiate between the two totally

different methods of prediction i.e. graha aspects/sign aspects and

so forth when we see both scattered through BPHS. However we must be

open to the fact that BPHS was not compiled by Parashara himself. If

I may be excused, I'd like to add the following comment of Mr. KN

Rao which verifies (partly) what I've been saying for a long time.

 

KN Rao Wrote:

>>I have visited so many museums in India where so many

manuscripts are available most of them unlisted even in

fifty years after independence. I saw some of them which

were copied down and even wrongly. Half-literate pandits

copying it down may have committed these mistakes.It will

also explain why Parasha text has so many variations.<<

 

I also read a comment by someone else argueing that, as the planets

themselves don't act any differently whether one follows Jaimini or

Parashara, we should not have any problem incorporating the two

systems. This is true, the planets are no different...what IS

different is the methods used, and mixing the two leads to endless

confusion. The result of this confusion has seen the emergence of

even more methods in an effort to bypass the (seeming)

contradictions. The following statement from the SA group is an

example of this:

 

"The Systems´ Approach, or SA, was developed by Mr VK Choudhry of

Gurgaon, India to help remove the confusions and contradictions

jyotish has accumulated over the centuries."

 

It's a shame because (in the SA) so much of Parashara has been

lost...

 

However, back to my comment in regards to graha aspects. As an

example, in the chart Babu put forward (Pravine Lad), 8th lord Mars

in 3rd aspects 10th house which is occupied by Rahu...naturally 10th

house will experience the effect of this Mars aspect but Rahu

himself is not aspected.

 

I (again) come back to the article I wrote a few years ago:

http://jyotishvidya.com/nodes.htm and draw your attention to the

postscript at the bottom of the page:

 

"Pundit Gopesh Kumar Ojha, in his book "Predictive Astrology of the

Hindus", states categorically that Rahu and Ketu neither aspect nor

are aspected. Certainly, if the house they occupy is aspected, the

quality of that house is influenced by the aspecting planet and, in

this way, according to traditional astrologers (of the old school),

we say that Rahu or Ketu are aspected by a benefic or malefic but

they do not themselves come under the realm of aspects as do the

other planets.

Strictly speaking Rahu and Ketu are affected by conjunction only.

They show their effect through their dispositor and via the

conjoined planet."

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

[Guest guest]

Dear Wendy,

 

Just one more clarification before we end this debate,

in addition to their sign dispositor and conjunction

don't Rahu/Ketu also show their effects through their

Nakshatra dispositor?

 

Thanks & best regards,

 

Sumit

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Wendy, you are so good! Your explanation in detail and effort clarifies what I

was trying to ask. In my question I was asking if aspecting the houses rather

than the graha was done from its ruler vs. the accurate answer by you - only the

house is aspected by other potential grahas from elsewhere in the chart

delineation.

 

I am not sure I translated that clearly in mirroring what you are putting forth

but I get it!!!

 

If you feel I am still off, be assured I will follow your lead in reference and

throughly read.

 

Thanks ever so much

Debra.

 

Wendy Vasicek <wenvas wrote:

Dear Debra,

 

>>You're aspecting the houses from its rule, correct? So, for

>>instances a 6th house Aquarius - Rahu and a 12th house Leo - Ketu

>>would be aspected by Aquarius ruler Saturn (3, 7, 10) and the Leo

>>ruler Sun (7)<<

 

I'm not sure I understand your question (or even if it's adressed to

me?). However I'll answer it as I think it's related to my comment

below.

 

>>The nodes do not aspect nor are they aspected. The house they

>>occupy

may of course be aspected but they themselves are not.<<

 

I was referring to graha aspects and not the (Jaimini) sign aspects,

which in any case is interpreted differently to what you've stated

i.e. the sign, and any planets occupying that sign, aspect the other

sign. More information on sign aspects can be seen in the following

chapter of BPHS: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch8.htm I know just how

difficult it can be to differentiate between the two totally

different methods of prediction i.e. graha aspects/sign aspects and

so forth when we see both scattered through BPHS. However we must be

open to the fact that BPHS was not compiled by Parashara himself. If

I may be excused, I'd like to add the following comment of Mr. KN

Rao which verifies (partly) what I've been saying for a long time.

 

KN Rao Wrote:

>>I have visited so many museums in India where so many

manuscripts are available most of them unlisted even in

fifty years after independence. I saw some of them which

were copied down and even wrongly. Half-literate pandits

copying it down may have committed these mistakes.It will

also explain why Parasha text has so many variations.<<

 

I also read a comment by someone else argueing that, as the planets

themselves don't act any differently whether one follows Jaimini or

Parashara, we should not have any problem incorporating the two

systems. This is true, the planets are no different...what IS

different is the methods used, and mixing the two leads to endless

confusion. The result of this confusion has seen the emergence of

even more methods in an effort to bypass the (seeming)

contradictions. The following statement from the SA group is an

example of this:

 

"The Systems´ Approach, or SA, was developed by Mr VK Choudhry of

Gurgaon, India to help remove the confusions and contradictions

jyotish has accumulated over the centuries."

 

It's a shame because (in the SA) so much of Parashara has been

lost...

 

However, back to my comment in regards to graha aspects. As an

example, in the chart Babu put forward (Pravine Lad), 8th lord Mars

in 3rd aspects 10th house which is occupied by Rahu...naturally 10th

house will experience the effect of this Mars aspect but Rahu

himself is not aspected.

 

I (again) come back to the article I wrote a few years ago:

http://jyotishvidya.com/nodes.htm and draw your attention to the

postscript at the bottom of the page:

 

"Pundit Gopesh Kumar Ojha, in his book "Predictive Astrology of the

Hindus", states categorically that Rahu and Ketu neither aspect nor

are aspected. Certainly, if the house they occupy is aspected, the

quality of that house is influenced by the aspecting planet and, in

this way, according to traditional astrologers (of the old school),

we say that Rahu or Ketu are aspected by a benefic or malefic but

they do not themselves come under the realm of aspects as do the

other planets.

Strictly speaking Rahu and Ketu are affected by conjunction only.

They show their effect through their dispositor and via the

conjoined planet."

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sumit,

 

Absolutely! The nature of the nodes is greatly influenced by their

nakshatra placement. For instance, if nakshatra lord is beneficial

(to lagna) and is well placed, unafflicted by aspect/conjunction,

with strength etc., this will have a positive influence on the nodes

themselves. Of course this is so for all planets, is it not :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

 

 

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"sumit dasgupta" <sumit_dasgupta

<jyotish-vidya>

Thursday, February 10, 2005 2:24 PM

Re: Aspecting Rahu/Ketu - Wendy

 

 

Dear Wendy,

 

Just one more clarification before we end this debate,

in addition to their sign dispositor and conjunction

don't Rahu/Ketu also show their effects through their

Nakshatra dispositor?

 

Thanks & best regards,

 

Sumit