Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Wendy ji, > Indeed it's a great boon having jyotish software to do all > those > tedious calculations for us. However there are some negatives > also. Very true. I have worked with computers since 1992, and if there is one thing I have learnt, they are buggy! But, there is one thing I like, from a personal angle. If there were no Jyotish softwares, I would never have ventured into Jyotish! > I also think that we become very lazy when we rely on the > computer solely and slowly we lose the skills that we once > had to calculate a chart by hand. I had once written about this, the negative enthropy of computers. A lot of skills - calligraphy, math ability, etc - have disappeared because of computers. My grandfather is so proficient at Math that he can recite the math tables up to 25 x 25! In school, I think that I learnt up to 13 or 14, and that too only up to x 12. > I think it's a good idea to consider both. A planet that fails > to > gain sufficient ShadBala may be extremely strong in Vimsopaka. I will definitely keep this point in mind. > (If > I'm not mistaken a planet with Vimsopaka strength exceeding 15 > will > give excellent results) Yes, this is what Parashara also says in BPHS. > The trouble with computers and particularly with these forums > is > that people feel the pressure to intuitively interpret a chart > after > only a few years practice...mostly it's a miss and hit > affair...for all of us! 100% right! I too am guilty of this! But, I try. I spend at least one hour with a chart, first studying it with a blank mind, with no preconcieved notions, and, only finally do I look at the math details. I don't want to directly look at Bhava Bala, and make a prediction solely on the Math. But, Wendy ji, one cannot progress without errors! So, one goes on, trying one's honest best, and leaves the rest to God. One last questions - Shri BV Raman has given some figures, in Shad Bala Pindas, beyond which a graha becomes powerful. I also know that Vimshopak above 15 is excellent, while above 10 is average, and below 10 will give poor results. But, what of the Bhavas? Shri BV Raman doesn't say what is the ideal score. Can you help me here? Just as we can say that Vimshopak above 15 is good, is there any number "x" (say, 10), which a Bhava needs to call itself powerful? ===== Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs Editor, The Partial Art of Detection ===== ______________________ Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Dear Balaji, >>But, what of the Bhavas? Shri BV Raman doesn't say what is the ideal score. Can you help me here? Just as we can say that Vimshopak above 15 is good, is there any number "x" (say, 10), which a Bhava needs to call itself powerful?<< To the best of my knowledge there is no precise mathematical formula to determine the strength of bhavas...perhaps other members may have more to offer on this. The following quotes from BPHS may be helpful: "The bhava whose lord is in a malefic Shashtiamsa will diminish, so say Garga and others. The bhava whose lord is in a benefic Shodasamsa (or Kalamsa) flourish." 14-16. PROSPERITY OR ANNIHILATION OF A HOUSE: Predict prosperity of the house which is conjunct or is aspected by a benefic. Also when its lord is in Yuvavastha or in Prabuddhavastha or in Kaumaravastha or in the 10th house, the bhava's well being is indicated. The bhava which is not aspect by its lord or whose lord is with a malefic planet or with one of the lords of evil and such other houses (i.e. 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, and 12th) or is defeated in a planetary war or is in one of the three Avasthas, viz. Vriddhavastha, Mritavastha, and Suptavastha. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Dear Wendy, The strength of bhava is beyond measurement.In our subject precise quantification of good and bad of house,signs and bhavas have to be intepreted only through Ishtaphalaand Kashta phala. To decipher strength of bhavas we have shadvarga.sapta and shodas vargas(divisional charts).These cross sections of the natal charts influence bahvas by way of promoting the or debilitating or weakening the bhavas The best approach to know the strength of the bhava/house is to go in for Ashtaka varga analysis.It is devised basically how planets at various stages of movements help the native integrally and keep up the morale of any native through his life. Again bahva chart/called usually as a chalit lagna throws some light as to the strength(mathematically) of a bhava. may be jaimini astrology be revealing the imptance of pada and upa pada with the cobination of of sevaral lagnas provides means to analyse the strength of bhavs. So the clarification to: "is there any number "x" (say, 10),which a Bhava needs to call itself powerful?" can never be precise.The tools provided to us in Ganit Jyotish(Mathematical Atrology) does not lead us to anywhere in delineating the results and harmonising the various effects. Whar ever we get from classicals is to encourage and provide the clarity on the subject by way of bringing out effects of placements of the bhava lords in various signs and houses. iam not sure how members will view and endorse the approach latent in our holy scriptures. Perhaps in this regard I may bring attention to a recent question posted in our group as under: "the effect of mars in seventh house makes a widower" Is it that our litterature says that the seventh house is weakened by way of mars placement and the result/effect is only on married life and nothing else? Bhava for purpose our subject has lot many things to convey from janma to Death.This journey includes a traverse from Dharma,Ardha Kama and moksha.These elements in the process or receiving support or loosing thier nature due to the signs and other things. sincerely krishnan Wendy Vasicek <wenvas wrote: Dear Balaji, >>But, what of the Bhavas? Shri BV Raman doesn't say what is the ideal score. Can you help me here? Just as we can say that Vimshopak above 15 is good, is there any number "x" (say, 10), which a Bhava needs to call itself powerful?<< To the best of my knowledge there is no precise mathematical formula to determine the strength of bhavas...perhaps other members may have more to offer on this. The following quotes from BPHS may be helpful: "The bhava whose lord is in a malefic Shashtiamsa will diminish, so say Garga and others. The bhava whose lord is in a benefic Shodasamsa (or Kalamsa) flourish." 14-16. PROSPERITY OR ANNIHILATION OF A HOUSE: Predict prosperity of the house which is conjunct or is aspected by a benefic. Also when its lord is in Yuvavastha or in Prabuddhavastha or in Kaumaravastha or in the 10th house, the bhava's well being is indicated. The bhava which is not aspect by its lord or whose lord is with a malefic planet or with one of the lords of evil and such other houses (i.e. 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, and 12th) or is defeated in a planetary war or is in one of the three Avasthas, viz. Vriddhavastha, Mritavastha, and Suptavastha. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com Sponsor Children InternationalWould you give Hope to a Child in need? ·Click Here to meet a Girl And Give Her Hope·Click Here to meet a Boy And Change His Life Learn More jyotish-vidya/ jyotish-vidya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Dear Krishnan, You're absolutely correct. There are many different methods of determining the strength of bhavas, including (as you say) ashtakavarga. But, as far as I know, these have not been grouped together to produce a precise mathematical graph that we can determine the overall strength of the bhava at a glance...I could be wrong on this?? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com - "vattem krishnan" <bursar_99 <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:58 AM Re: Re: Balas Dear Wendy, The strength of bhava is beyond measurement.In our subject precise quantification of good and bad of house,signs and bhavas have to be intepreted only through Ishtaphalaand Kashta phala. To decipher strength of bhavas we have shadvarga.sapta and shodas vargas(divisional charts).These cross sections of the natal charts influence bahvas by way of promoting the or debilitating or weakening the bhavas The best approach to know the strength of the bhava/house is to go in for Ashtaka varga analysis.It is devised basically how planets at various stages of movements help the native integrally and keep up the morale of any native through his life. Again bahva chart/called usually as a chalit lagna throws some light as to the strength(mathematically) of a bhava. may be jaimini astrology be revealing the imptance of pada and upa pada with the cobination of of sevaral lagnas provides means to analyse the strength of bhavs. So the clarification to: "is there any number "x" (say, 10),which a Bhava needs to call itself powerful?" can never be precise.The tools provided to us in Ganit Jyotish(Mathematical Atrology) does not lead us to anywhere in delineating the results and harmonising the various effects. Whar ever we get from classicals is to encourage and provide the clarity on the subject by way of bringing out effects of placements of the bhava lords in various signs and houses. iam not sure how members will view and endorse the approach latent in our holy scriptures. Perhaps in this regard I may bring attention to a recent question posted in our group as under: "the effect of mars in seventh house makes a widower" Is it that our litterature says that the seventh house is weakened by way of mars placement and the result/effect is only on married life and nothing else? Bhava for purpose our subject has lot many things to convey from janma to Death.This journey includes a traverse from Dharma,Ardha Kama and moksha.These elements in the process or receiving support or loosing thier nature due to the signs and other things. sincerely krishnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Dear Krishnan, >>The strength of bhava is beyond measurement<< I do apologise for not reading through your post more thoroughly before my hasty response... a huge fault of mine, I'm afraid :-( Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com - "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, February 01, 2005 1:42 PM Re: Re: Balas Dear Krishnan, You're absolutely correct. There are many different methods of determining the strength of bhavas, including (as you say) ashtakavarga. But, as far as I know, these have not been grouped together to produce a precise mathematical graph that we can determine the overall strength of the bhava at a glance...I could be wrong on this?? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com - "vattem krishnan" <bursar_99 <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:58 AM Re: Re: Balas Dear Wendy, The strength of bhava is beyond measurement. In our subject precise quantification of good and bad of house,signs and bhavas have to be intepreted only through Ishtaphalaand Kashta phala. To decipher strength of bhavas we have shadvarga.sapta and shodas vargas(divisional charts).These cross sections of the natal charts influence bahvas by way of promoting the or debilitating or weakening the bhavas The best approach to know the strength of the bhava/house is to go in for Ashtaka varga analysis.It is devised basically how planets at various stages of movements help the native integrally and keep up the morale of any native through his life. Again bahva chart/called usually as a chalit lagna throws some light as to the strength(mathematically) of a bhava. may be jaimini astrology be revealing the imptance of pada and upa pada with the cobination of of sevaral lagnas provides means to analyse the strength of bhavs. So the clarification to: "is there any number "x" (say, 10),which a Bhava needs to call itself powerful?" can never be precise.The tools provided to us in Ganit Jyotish(Mathematical Atrology) does not lead us to anywhere in delineating the results and harmonising the various effects. Whar ever we get from classicals is to encourage and provide the clarity on the subject by way of bringing out effects of placements of the bhava lords in various signs and houses. iam not sure how members will view and endorse the approach latent in our holy scriptures. Perhaps in this regard I may bring attention to a recent question posted in our group as under: "the effect of mars in seventh house makes a widower" Is it that our litterature says that the seventh house is weakened by way of mars placement and the result/effect is only on married life and nothing else? Bhava for purpose our subject has lot many things to convey from janma to Death.This journey includes a traverse from Dharma,Ardha Kama and moksha.These elements in the process or receiving support or loosing thier nature due to the signs and other things. sincerely krishnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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