Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Dear members, My name is Miklos Molnar and I am from Hungary. I have started to learn vedic astrology since two years, but my progress is very slow because I am very busy. I have some confusion about the debilitated planets and their effects in the horoscope. When we talk about debilitation or exaltation we talk about strength OR quality OR both? Regarding my studies Sad Bala shows the strength of a planet, and one factor of the Sad Bala is exaltation or debilitation. So a planet can be strong even it is debilitated, but mainly a planet is considered to be weak when debilitated. What kind of effect can be excepted in this case? How can you differ a strong exalted and a strong debilitated Saturn for example? I have seen charts with debilitated Mars and Saturn and they had very high Sad Bala 1.7 and 1.9 . Is it somehow true that natural malefic planets like Mars and Saturn show their wrong side when debilitated and when strong and debilitated it destroys the aspected factors in the horoscope? Or a debilitated planet is just weak and when afflicted by natal or transit they are going to cause problems because they cannot defend their significations? Thanks for the help. Regards, Miklos To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 balaji,wendy ji and other espected members, what happens if a retro debilitated planet(shani) is vargottam,does it enhances the bad caused by the planet.normally vargottam positions are supposed to be good but for a debilitated one it would mean that it remains debilitated in the navamsha too. regds..mukesh jyotish-vidya, Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: > > Mukesh ji, > > Chart for 04 Oct 1979; 11:20 PM; Delhi [28n40, 77e13] > > ///I have also noted that though Mars is debilitated > in 2nd house, but 2nd house's lord is in 10th house (a > kendra). Does it cause Neech-bhanga? or Neech-Bhanga > Rajyoga?/// > > According to some, Neecha Bhanga occurs when: > > a) Lord of concerned house is in kendra from > Chandra/Lagna. > b) Lord of concerned house is Uccha > c) Neecha Graha is with Uccha Graha > d) The Graha which would be Uccha in the sign is in a > kendra from Chandra/Lagna > e) Lord of the house aspects it > f) Neecha Graha is Vakra > > In this case, condition (a) is fulfilled, so we have > neecha bhanga for Kuja. None of these conditions are > met for Sukra, so Sukra doesn't get Neecha Bhanga. > > Note that, since Chandra causes Neecha Bhanga, the > dasa/bukti of Chandra will be good, while the periods > of Kuja will still be bad. > > ///Does debilated Venus mean that the native would not > be lucky from the perspective of material > happiness?/// > > What the graha represents is hurt. Sukra represents > marriage, and rules the 5th and the 12th. These will > be hurt. Sukra is also placed in Neecha Kuja's > nakshatra, and so the damage caused will be greater. > Note that, since Sukra is the dispositor of Budha, > matters pertaining to both the self and the 4th > [house, vehicles, happiness] are also bound to get > hit. > > Ditto for Kuja, who rules the 6th and the 11th. > However, neecha bhanga means that this effect will be > lesser than what is experienced with Sukra. > > ///Since debilitated Mars is in 2nd house, does she > suffers from Kuja Dosha?/// > > According to aryabhatt.com this is the definition of > Kuja Dosha: > > "Also known as Angaraka Dosha. An affliction caused by > the position of Mars in a horoscope. It is formed by > the position of Mars in 2nd, 4th, 7th, 8th, or 12th > from ascendant, Moon or Venus. It adversely affects > the longevity of the married partner. This malfeasance > is said to be reduced and sometimes eliminated by the > presence of similar affliction in the horoscope of > both the partners. The malfeasance of Mars does not > occur if the planet is situated in a movable sign. In > actual practice, this condition does not apply in > cases of Aries, Sagittarius or Pisces ascendants. The > affliction is also eliminated when Jupiter or Venus is > associated with Mars, or aspects it. > > Kuja Dosha is also said to occur if Mars is in 4th > house for Scorpio or Aries ascendant, 8th for Taurus, > for Sagittarius and Aquarius ascendants. Again, it > occurs if Mars is in 7th and the 7th house happens to > be in the sign or naves (q.v.) of Mars, or if Mars is > in the ascendant while planets in the 7th are either > debilitated or eclipsed by others. > > Kuja Dosha may not necessarily produce death of the > partner; it may make the physical union between them > not feasible; it may be so by one of the several > causes such as death, disease and illnesses, > separation which could be judicial or circumstantial." > > In this case, Kuja Dosha exists because Kuja is in the > 2nd from Lagna. However this is not a great drawback - > some say that, after the 28th year, the maturity year > of Kuja, Kuja Dosha doesn't cause much difficulty. > Also, Kuja Dosha is not a major drawback because it > anyway gets nullified when matched against another > person with Kuja Dosha! > > There are several conditions that cause Kuja Dosha to > get nullified. Maybe, some of the other learned > members can shed some light on this matter. > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > Balaji Narasimhan > Author & Editor > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 balaji,wendy ji and other espected members, what happens if a retro debilitated planet(shani) is vargottam,does it enhances the bad caused by the planet.normally vargottam positions are supposed to be good but for a debilitated one it would mean that it remains debilitated in the navamsha too. regds..mukesh jyotish-vidya, Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: > > Mukesh ji, > > Chart for 04 Oct 1979; 11:20 PM; Delhi [28n40, 77e13] > > ///I have also noted that though Mars is debilitated > in 2nd house, but 2nd house's lord is in 10th house (a > kendra). Does it cause Neech-bhanga? or Neech-Bhanga > Rajyoga?/// > > According to some, Neecha Bhanga occurs when: > > a) Lord of concerned house is in kendra from > Chandra/Lagna. > b) Lord of concerned house is Uccha > c) Neecha Graha is with Uccha Graha > d) The Graha which would be Uccha in the sign is in a > kendra from Chandra/Lagna > e) Lord of the house aspects it > f) Neecha Graha is Vakra > > In this case, condition (a) is fulfilled, so we have > neecha bhanga for Kuja. None of these conditions are > met for Sukra, so Sukra doesn't get Neecha Bhanga. > > Note that, since Chandra causes Neecha Bhanga, the > dasa/bukti of Chandra will be good, while the periods > of Kuja will still be bad. > > ///Does debilated Venus mean that the native would not > be lucky from the perspective of material > happiness?/// > > What the graha represents is hurt. Sukra represents > marriage, and rules the 5th and the 12th. These will > be hurt. Sukra is also placed in Neecha Kuja's > nakshatra, and so the damage caused will be greater. > Note that, since Sukra is the dispositor of Budha, > matters pertaining to both the self and the 4th > [house, vehicles, happiness] are also bound to get > hit. > > Ditto for Kuja, who rules the 6th and the 11th. > However, neecha bhanga means that this effect will be > lesser than what is experienced with Sukra. > > ///Since debilitated Mars is in 2nd house, does she > suffers from Kuja Dosha?/// > > According to aryabhatt.com this is the definition of > Kuja Dosha: > > "Also known as Angaraka Dosha. An affliction caused by > the position of Mars in a horoscope. It is formed by > the position of Mars in 2nd, 4th, 7th, 8th, or 12th > from ascendant, Moon or Venus. It adversely affects > the longevity of the married partner. This malfeasance > is said to be reduced and sometimes eliminated by the > presence of similar affliction in the horoscope of > both the partners. The malfeasance of Mars does not > occur if the planet is situated in a movable sign. In > actual practice, this condition does not apply in > cases of Aries, Sagittarius or Pisces ascendants. The > affliction is also eliminated when Jupiter or Venus is > associated with Mars, or aspects it. > > Kuja Dosha is also said to occur if Mars is in 4th > house for Scorpio or Aries ascendant, 8th for Taurus, > for Sagittarius and Aquarius ascendants. Again, it > occurs if Mars is in 7th and the 7th house happens to > be in the sign or naves (q.v.) of Mars, or if Mars is > in the ascendant while planets in the 7th are either > debilitated or eclipsed by others. > > Kuja Dosha may not necessarily produce death of the > partner; it may make the physical union between them > not feasible; it may be so by one of the several > causes such as death, disease and illnesses, > separation which could be judicial or circumstantial." > > In this case, Kuja Dosha exists because Kuja is in the > 2nd from Lagna. However this is not a great drawback - > some say that, after the 28th year, the maturity year > of Kuja, Kuja Dosha doesn't cause much difficulty. > Also, Kuja Dosha is not a major drawback because it > anyway gets nullified when matched against another > person with Kuja Dosha! > > There are several conditions that cause Kuja Dosha to > get nullified. Maybe, some of the other learned > members can shed some light on this matter. > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > Balaji Narasimhan > Author & Editor > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Dear Mukesh, To clear the confusion regarding vargottama just remember that vargottama duplicates the condition of the planet. If a planet is favourable in both rasi and navamsha it is doubly beneficial. If on the other hand a planet is debilitated in both rasi and navamsha it is doubly afflicted. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com _____________________ - "mukesh_vats9992" <mukesh_vats9992 (AT) (DOT) co.in> <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, August 30, 2006 6:29 PM Re: Debilitated Planets balaji,wendy ji and other espected members, what happens if a retro debilitated planet(shani) is vargottam,does it enhances the bad caused by the planet.normally vargottam positions are supposed to be good but for a debilitated one it would mean that it remains debilitated in the navamsha too. regds..mukesh jyotish-vidya, Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: > > Mukesh ji, > > Chart for 04 Oct 1979; 11:20 PM; Delhi [28n40, 77e13] > > ///I have also noted that though Mars is debilitated > in 2nd house, but 2nd house's lord is in 10th house (a > kendra). Does it cause Neech-bhanga? or Neech-Bhanga > Rajyoga?/// > > According to some, Neecha Bhanga occurs when: > > a) Lord of concerned house is in kendra from > Chandra/Lagna. > b) Lord of concerned house is Uccha > c) Neecha Graha is with Uccha Graha > d) The Graha which would be Uccha in the sign is in a > kendra from Chandra/Lagna > e) Lord of the house aspects it > f) Neecha Graha is Vakra > > In this case, condition (a) is fulfilled, so we have > neecha bhanga for Kuja. None of these conditions are > met for Sukra, so Sukra doesn't get Neecha Bhanga. > > Note that, since Chandra causes Neecha Bhanga, the > dasa/bukti of Chandra will be good, while the periods > of Kuja will still be bad. > > ///Does debilated Venus mean that the native would not > be lucky from the perspective of material > happiness?/// > > What the graha represents is hurt. Sukra represents > marriage, and rules the 5th and the 12th. These will > be hurt. Sukra is also placed in Neecha Kuja's > nakshatra, and so the damage caused will be greater. > Note that, since Sukra is the dispositor of Budha, > matters pertaining to both the self and the 4th > [house, vehicles, happiness] are also bound to get > hit. > > Ditto for Kuja, who rules the 6th and the 11th. > However, neecha bhanga means that this effect will be > lesser than what is experienced with Sukra. > > ///Since debilitated Mars is in 2nd house, does she > suffers from Kuja Dosha?/// > > According to aryabhatt.com this is the definition of > Kuja Dosha: > > "Also known as Angaraka Dosha. An affliction caused by > the position of Mars in a horoscope. It is formed by > the position of Mars in 2nd, 4th, 7th, 8th, or 12th > from ascendant, Moon or Venus. It adversely affects > the longevity of the married partner. This malfeasance > is said to be reduced and sometimes eliminated by the > presence of similar affliction in the horoscope of > both the partners. The malfeasance of Mars does not > occur if the planet is situated in a movable sign. In > actual practice, this condition does not apply in > cases of Aries, Sagittarius or Pisces ascendants. The > affliction is also eliminated when Jupiter or Venus is > associated with Mars, or aspects it. > > Kuja Dosha is also said to occur if Mars is in 4th > house for Scorpio or Aries ascendant, 8th for Taurus, > for Sagittarius and Aquarius ascendants. Again, it > occurs if Mars is in 7th and the 7th house happens to > be in the sign or naves (q.v.) of Mars, or if Mars is > in the ascendant while planets in the 7th are either > debilitated or eclipsed by others. > > Kuja Dosha may not necessarily produce death of the > partner; it may make the physical union between them > not feasible; it may be so by one of the several > causes such as death, disease and illnesses, > separation which could be judicial or circumstantial." > > In this case, Kuja Dosha exists because Kuja is in the > 2nd from Lagna. However this is not a great drawback - > some say that, after the 28th year, the maturity year > of Kuja, Kuja Dosha doesn't cause much difficulty. > Also, Kuja Dosha is not a major drawback because it > anyway gets nullified when matched against another > person with Kuja Dosha! > > There are several conditions that cause Kuja Dosha to > get nullified. Maybe, some of the other learned > members can shed some light on this matter. > > > ~~~~~~~~~ > Balaji Narasimhan > Author & Editor > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > ~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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