Guest guest Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 Very good post - thanks. Sateesh. ======= - Learner Wednesday, July 23, 2003 2:32 PM Married Life Hi, My knowledge in this area is limited. Marriage /Married Life can be inferred from :- 1>. 7th House and 7th Lord 2>. Venus 3>. 4th House and 4th Lord 1. 7th House and Lord Related :- In general, if the 7th house is aspected or occupied by benefic planets (Jupiter, Venus) the marriage will be happy. If the 7th house is occupied by malefic planets (Mars, Saturn, Ketu, Rahu, Sun), there will be conflict and unhappiness. 2. Venus Venus is the next indicator (Karaka) of marriage and spouse after the 7th house and its Lord. As with the 7th house and its lord, if Venus is strong and well aspected, the spouse and marriage will be strong. If Venus is badly placed or aspected, trouble is indicated for the spouse, and possibly also for the marriage. 3. 4th House and Lord The fourth house is the indicator of, among other things, happiness in the home and marital harmony. If the fourth house is occupied and aspected by malefic planets, or if the 4th lord is badly placed, it will indicate a lack of harmony between the husband and wife, which may result in separation. Now we need to know the role of aspects and special yogas etc etc. Some of the things to look for :- 1. Venus should not be combined with enemy planet. 2. 7th lord and house should not be badly placed. 3. 4th lord and house should not be badly placed. I do not know how to find out more about the spouse's career(profession) and behaviuor (nature) and looks etc etc. Whatever I have written is very primitive and I will post one/two examples from which we can study on this basis and infer. But I request others to come forward anf give valuable input. Thanxs Learner SMS using the Messenger; Download latest version. ~! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 18/07/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 hello, this is a good initiative. i am not sure about the role of 4th house and lord about marriage. but yes it is the general happiness. how much sure are you about the 4th house's role in married life? this might add to my knowledge... another thing that 4th house and lord rules "family life" and "home environment". disturbs to 4th lord will disturb family life but not necessary problem in married life. the disturb might come as any form like even problem from kids, or parents, or any1 you live with in the home... and as one of the matters married life is a probable answer... not so? you are right, that in short, any affliction to the 7th house / lord / venus will disturb marital / romantic matters. also look for the 2nd house for second marriage etc. sani there might give 2nd marriage... :-( [i have this] to know more about the spouse, see any planet situated in the 7th, or aspecting 7th. or planets joining 7th lord and venus etc. who is strong among them? etc etc. also see the 7th lord's own nature and his position... also see where is the 7th lord from his own house? like, 7th lord is in 3rd = 7th lord is 9th from own house. th is for teachers, religious. the wife might be involved in teaching or religous. this matches in my father's life. i also have the same. now if the 7th lord is wel placed and unafflicted then the wife will be virtuous since 9th house is the house of virtue. if the planet is exalted or own house then wife will make great prosper and will also help the hus since 9th is the house of prosperity. also 3rd house matters will come. well placed - good initiative in married life. ill placed, married life suffers for lack of initiatives. this i find true. again, if the 7th lord in 3rd is afflicted, esp by cruel 3rd lord, or rahu, or sani - then 3rd house ppl (siblings) will distrub marital life. even union between wife and sibling is possible. sani joining / aspecting ve will give separation from wife (being away). for aspect, sani has to be strong like it is exalted in my case - LOL ! sani in 7th might make a too much formal marriage by guardians, conservative marriage against ur wish, or a conservative wife, hard owrking or sick health wife. there may be age problems in the couple. this is what i see. always remember the planets own nature. etc etc. best wishes, tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Learner Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:32 PM Married Life Hi, My knowledge in this area is limited. Marriage /Married Life can be inferred from :- 1>. 7th House and 7th Lord 2>. Venus 3>. 4th House and 4th Lord 1. 7th House and Lord Related :- In general, if the 7th house is aspected or occupied by benefic planets (Jupiter, Venus) the marriage will be happy. If the 7th house is occupied by malefic planets (Mars, Saturn, Ketu, Rahu, Sun), there will be conflict and unhappiness. 2. Venus Venus is the next indicator (Karaka) of marriage and spouse after the 7th house and its Lord. As with the 7th house and its lord, if Venus is strong and well aspected, the spouse and marriage will be strong. If Venus is badly placed or aspected, trouble is indicated for the spouse, and possibly also for the marriage. 3. 4th House and Lord The fourth house is the indicator of, among other things, happiness in the home and marital harmony. If the fourth house is occupied and aspected by malefic planets, or if the 4th lord is badly placed, it will indicate a lack of harmony between the husband and wife, which may result in separation. Now we need to know the role of aspects and special yogas etc etc. Some of the things to look for :- 1. Venus should not be combined with enemy planet. 2. 7th lord and house should not be badly placed. 3. 4th lord and house should not be badly placed. I do not know how to find out more about the spouse's career(profession) and behaviuor (nature) and looks etc etc. Whatever I have written is very primitive and I will post one/two examples from which we can study on this basis and infer. But I request others to come forward anf give valuable input. Thanxs Learner SMS using the Messenger; Download latest version. ~! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 Dear Learner and members, It's really very informative mail about marriage and related matters. I always wonder on one point. Many time we have seen that some people suffers like hell in first marriage and in second time their marriage life becomes like heaven. Some time suffering continue in 2nd and in special cases 3rd time also.I could not get any explaination of such situation. Being more clear suppose Mars has damaged one's married life being in 7th. (Here let's assume Mars is the only reason) then it is going to be stay there for entire life then why it does not affect 2nd time. I have 3 case of such type in my circle and out of 3 I have birth details of one case. If anybody want to study further then I will provide birth details and details of what was happen in his life keeping his privacy. regards, Tushar --- Tanvir <tanvir wrote: > hello, > > this is a good initiative. > > i am not sure about the role of 4th house and lord > about marriage. but yes it is the general happiness. > how much sure are you about the 4th house's role in > married life? this might add to my knowledge... > > another thing that 4th house and lord rules "family > life" and "home environment". disturbs to 4th lord > will disturb family life but not necessary problem > in married life. the disturb might come as any form > like even problem from kids, or parents, or any1 you > live with in the home... and as one of the matters > married life is a probable answer... not so? > > you are right, that in short, any affliction to the > 7th house / lord / venus will disturb marital / > romantic matters. > > also look for the 2nd house for second marriage etc. > sani there might give 2nd marriage... :-( > [i have this] > > to know more about the spouse, see any planet > situated in the 7th, or aspecting 7th. or planets > joining 7th lord and venus etc. who is strong among > them? etc etc. also see the 7th lord's own nature > and his position... > > also see where is the 7th lord from his own house? > like, 7th lord is in 3rd = 7th lord is 9th from own > house. th is for teachers, religious. the wife might > be involved in teaching or religous. this matches in > my father's life. i also have the same. > > now if the 7th lord is wel placed and unafflicted > then the wife will be virtuous since 9th house is > the house of virtue. > > if the planet is exalted or own house then wife will > make great prosper and will also help the hus since > 9th is the house of prosperity. > > also 3rd house matters will come. well placed - good > initiative in married life. ill placed, married life > suffers for lack of initiatives. this i find true. > > again, if the 7th lord in 3rd is afflicted, esp by > cruel 3rd lord, or rahu, or sani - then 3rd house > ppl (siblings) will distrub marital life. even union > between wife and sibling is possible. > > sani joining / aspecting ve will give separation > from wife (being away). for aspect, sani has to be > strong like it is exalted in my case - LOL ! sani in > 7th might make a too much formal marriage by > guardians, conservative marriage against ur wish, or > a conservative wife, hard owrking or sick health > wife. there may be age problems in the couple. this > is what i see. always remember the planets own > nature. > > etc etc. > > best wishes, > tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > > - > Learner > > Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:32 PM > Married Life > > > Hi, > > My knowledge in this area is limited. > > Marriage /Married Life can be inferred from :- > 1>. 7th House and 7th Lord > 2>. Venus > 3>. 4th House and 4th Lord > > > 1. 7th House and Lord Related :- > In general, if the 7th house is aspected or > occupied by benefic planets (Jupiter, Venus) the > marriage will be happy. If the 7th house is occupied > by malefic planets (Mars, Saturn, Ketu, Rahu, Sun), > there will be conflict and unhappiness. > > 2. Venus > Venus is the next indicator (Karaka) of marriage > and spouse after the 7th house and its Lord. As > with the 7th house and its lord, if Venus is strong > and well aspected, the spouse and marriage will be > strong. If Venus is badly placed or aspected, > trouble is indicated for the spouse, and possibly > also for the marriage. > > 3. 4th House and Lord > The fourth house is the indicator of, among other > things, happiness in the home and marital harmony. > If the fourth house is occupied and aspected by > malefic planets, or if the 4th lord is badly placed, > it will indicate a lack of harmony between the > husband and wife, which may result in separation. > > > Now we need to know the role of aspects and > special yogas etc etc. > > Some of the things to look for :- > 1. Venus should not be combined with enemy planet. > 2. 7th lord and house should not be badly placed. > 3. 4th lord and house should not be badly placed. > > I do not know how to find out more about the > spouse's career(profession) and behaviuor (nature) > and looks etc etc. > > Whatever I have written is very primitive and I > will post one/two examples from which we can study > on this basis and infer. But I request others to > come forward anf give valuable input. > > Thanxs > Learner > SMS using the Messenger; Download latest > version. > Sponsor > > > > > > ~! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ > > > Terms of Service. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 Hi, I have learned that family life and domestic hapiness is ruled bij the 2nd house in jyotish, in western astrology it is ruled by the 4th house. The second house should be observed for family life, it surely affects marriage. I will give example from my life. I was married for 12 years without problems, untill transit Saturn entered my second house (empty) with Libra in it, its exaltation sign, causing exalted problems in domestic harmony and family life. My marriage did not survive those two and a half years and end up in divorce (indicated by Rahu in the 7th). - Tanvir Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:14 PM Re: Married Life hello, this is a good initiative. i am not sure about the role of 4th house and lord about marriage. but yes it is the general happiness. how much sure are you about the 4th house's role in married life? this might add to my knowledge... another thing that 4th house and lord rules "family life" and "home environment". disturbs to 4th lord will disturb family life but not necessary problem in married life. the disturb might come as any form like even problem from kids, or parents, or any1 you live with in the home... and as one of the matters married life is a probable answer... not so? you are right, that in short, any affliction to the 7th house / lord / venus will disturb marital / romantic matters. also look for the 2nd house for second marriage etc. sani there might give 2nd marriage... :-( [i have this] to know more about the spouse, see any planet situated in the 7th, or aspecting 7th. or planets joining 7th lord and venus etc. who is strong among them? etc etc. also see the 7th lord's own nature and his position... also see where is the 7th lord from his own house? like, 7th lord is in 3rd = 7th lord is 9th from own house. th is for teachers, religious. the wife might be involved in teaching or religous. this matches in my father's life. i also have the same. now if the 7th lord is wel placed and unafflicted then the wife will be virtuous since 9th house is the house of virtue. if the planet is exalted or own house then wife will make great prosper and will also help the hus since 9th is the house of prosperity. also 3rd house matters will come. well placed - good initiative in married life. ill placed, married life suffers for lack of initiatives. this i find true. again, if the 7th lord in 3rd is afflicted, esp by cruel 3rd lord, or rahu, or sani - then 3rd house ppl (siblings) will distrub marital life. even union between wife and sibling is possible. sani joining / aspecting ve will give separation from wife (being away). for aspect, sani has to be strong like it is exalted in my case - LOL ! sani in 7th might make a too much formal marriage by guardians, conservative marriage against ur wish, or a conservative wife, hard owrking or sick health wife. there may be age problems in the couple. this is what i see. always remember the planets own nature. etc etc. best wishes, tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Learner Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:32 PM Married Life Hi, My knowledge in this area is limited. Marriage /Married Life can be inferred from :- 1>. 7th House and 7th Lord 2>. Venus 3>. 4th House and 4th Lord 1. 7th House and Lord Related :- In general, if the 7th house is aspected or occupied by benefic planets (Jupiter, Venus) the marriage will be happy. If the 7th house is occupied by malefic planets (Mars, Saturn, Ketu, Rahu, Sun), there will be conflict and unhappiness. 2. Venus Venus is the next indicator (Karaka) of marriage and spouse after the 7th house and its Lord. As with the 7th house and its lord, if Venus is strong and well aspected, the spouse and marriage will be strong. If Venus is badly placed or aspected, trouble is indicated for the spouse, and possibly also for the marriage. 3. 4th House and Lord The fourth house is the indicator of, among other things, happiness in the home and marital harmony. If the fourth house is occupied and aspected by malefic planets, or if the 4th lord is badly placed, it will indicate a lack of harmony between the husband and wife, which may result in separation. Now we need to know the role of aspects and special yogas etc etc. Some of the things to look for :- 1. Venus should not be combined with enemy planet. 2. 7th lord and house should not be badly placed. 3. 4th lord and house should not be badly placed. I do not know how to find out more about the spouse's career(profession) and behaviuor (nature) and looks etc etc. Whatever I have written is very primitive and I will post one/two examples from which we can study on this basis and infer. But I request others to come forward anf give valuable input. 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Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 Hello, >From different sources, we get that 2nd and 4th houses rules "Family". On the other hand some say that they rule "relatives". I was very confused with them... But now, from my part I am sure that 4th house rules "Private Family", or "General Family" ie family with wife, kids, parents, siblings or in straight, the people you live in the same house with. And 2nd house shows "Relatives" ie the "Bigger family". When classics say that 2nd house rules family, they mean the bigger family circle of relatives. This is clear from my part since whenever I do any Sani remedy, there are some effects from my relatives. (Sani is in 2nd in my chart.) Always note down the things you are confused / not sure about... and when you look charts, always look from those views and try to understand which is correct... The TR Sat in 2nd house may be bad for marriage since 2nd house rules 2nd marriage. On the other hand it would be big mistake to overlook the dasha bhukti you were running that time. TR Sat would come to your 2nd house 3 times in life (May be) but would it always break marriage? Maha Dasa + Anter Dasa plays the biggest role while PD shows the timing and also TR shows the timing. Rahu is the disguised / cheater and with Rahu in 7th, you might discover that your husband did hide manythings from you and it took you years to discover his true nature. Watch for Rahu periods... If you have no problem you can send your chart in JHD format with the events then we can discuss. Best wishes,Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Clara Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:05 PM Re: Married Life Hi, I have learned that family life and domestic hapiness is ruled bij the 2nd house in jyotish, in western astrology it is ruled by the 4th house. The second house should be observed for family life, it surely affects marriage. I will give example from my life. I was married for 12 years without problems, untill transit Saturn entered my second house (empty) with Libra in it, its exaltation sign, causing exalted problems in domestic harmony and family life. My marriage did not survive those two and a half years and end up in divorce (indicated by Rahu in the 7th). - Tanvir Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:14 PM Re: Married Life hello, this is a good initiative. i am not sure about the role of 4th house and lord about marriage. but yes it is the general happiness. how much sure are you about the 4th house's role in married life? this might add to my knowledge... another thing that 4th house and lord rules "family life" and "home environment". disturbs to 4th lord will disturb family life but not necessary problem in married life. the disturb might come as any form like even problem from kids, or parents, or any1 you live with in the home... and as one of the matters married life is a probable answer... not so? you are right, that in short, any affliction to the 7th house / lord / venus will disturb marital / romantic matters. also look for the 2nd house for second marriage etc. sani there might give 2nd marriage... :-( [i have this] to know more about the spouse, see any planet situated in the 7th, or aspecting 7th. or planets joining 7th lord and venus etc. who is strong among them? etc etc. also see the 7th lord's own nature and his position... also see where is the 7th lord from his own house? like, 7th lord is in 3rd = 7th lord is 9th from own house. th is for teachers, religious. the wife might be involved in teaching or religous. this matches in my father's life. i also have the same. now if the 7th lord is wel placed and unafflicted then the wife will be virtuous since 9th house is the house of virtue. if the planet is exalted or own house then wife will make great prosper and will also help the hus since 9th is the house of prosperity. also 3rd house matters will come. well placed - good initiative in married life. ill placed, married life suffers for lack of initiatives. this i find true. again, if the 7th lord in 3rd is afflicted, esp by cruel 3rd lord, or rahu, or sani - then 3rd house ppl (siblings) will distrub marital life. even union between wife and sibling is possible. sani joining / aspecting ve will give separation from wife (being away). for aspect, sani has to be strong like it is exalted in my case - LOL ! sani in 7th might make a too much formal marriage by guardians, conservative marriage against ur wish, or a conservative wife, hard owrking or sick health wife. there may be age problems in the couple. this is what i see. always remember the planets own nature. etc etc. best wishes, tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Learner Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:32 PM Married Life Hi, My knowledge in this area is limited. Marriage /Married Life can be inferred from :- 1>. 7th House and 7th Lord 2>. Venus 3>. 4th House and 4th Lord 1. 7th House and Lord Related :- In general, if the 7th house is aspected or occupied by benefic planets (Jupiter, Venus) the marriage will be happy. If the 7th house is occupied by malefic planets (Mars, Saturn, Ketu, Rahu, Sun), there will be conflict and unhappiness. 2. Venus Venus is the next indicator (Karaka) of marriage and spouse after the 7th house and its Lord. As with the 7th house and its lord, if Venus is strong and well aspected, the spouse and marriage will be strong. If Venus is badly placed or aspected, trouble is indicated for the spouse, and possibly also for the marriage. 3. 4th House and Lord The fourth house is the indicator of, among other things, happiness in the home and marital harmony. If the fourth house is occupied and aspected by malefic planets, or if the 4th lord is badly placed, it will indicate a lack of harmony between the husband and wife, which may result in separation. Now we need to know the role of aspects and special yogas etc etc. Some of the things to look for :- 1. Venus should not be combined with enemy planet. 2. 7th lord and house should not be badly placed. 3. 4th lord and house should not be badly placed. I do not know how to find out more about the spouse's career(profession) and behaviuor (nature) and looks etc etc. Whatever I have written is very primitive and I will post one/two examples from which we can study on this basis and infer. But I request others to come forward anf give valuable input. 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Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 Hello, OK, enclosed here is my chart. Also with two divorces. Met my first husband shortly before my 16th birthday at my job. Marriage 21 april 1970 Two planned children in 1973 and 1974 One unplanned child born 5 april 1984, which ruined the marriage Husband left december 1984 New relation in 1987 unwanted pregnancy (again!) Second marriage 9 oktober 1987 Fourth child born in 1988 Third child also ruined this marriage, (he is a very difficult child) Second husband left 10 may 1995 19 march 2003 first husband died In 1995 after divorce I visited a pandit who adviced me for wearing gemstones and having yagya's done I am wearing blue saphire, emerald and diamond (small) and had done a 2 days yagya for Saturn as wel as for Jupiter. These remedies do not change the problems I am facing in the outer world, they are still there, remedies help heal inner wounds, they are a matter of spiritual growth kind regards, Clara -- These calculations were made using "Jagannatha Hora Lite". It is a free software from Sri Jagannath Vedic Centre. You can download it from http://www.geocities.com/~astrowhiz or http://www.sjvc.net.-- Date of Birth: September 3, 1949Time of Birth: 7:55:00 amTime Zone of Birth: 1:00 East of GMTLongitude of Birth: 5 E 17Latitude of Birth: 52 N 42Lunar month (maasa): Bhadrapada Lunar day (tithi): Sukla DwadasiTithi balance: 0.9318Nakshatra balance: 0.7422Sun-Moon Yoga: SoubhagyaSun-Moon Karana: BavaVara (weekday): Saturday Sunrise = 5:52 am (Apparent rise - upper limb)Ayanamsa = 23-09-10Dasa year length chosen = 365.2425 days Planet Position Pada CharaK Ascdt 7 Vi 37 U.Pha. 4 - Sun 17 Le 17 Poo.Pha. 2 BKMoon 0 Cp 06 U.Shaa. 2 DKMars 4 Cn 22 Pushyami 1 GKMercury 13 Vi 46 Hastha 2 PiKJupiter ® 29 Sg 33 U.Shaa. 1 AKVenus 23 Vi 17 Hastha 4 AmKSaturn 16 Le 31 Poo.Pha. 1 MKRahu 25 Pi 17 Revathi 3 PKKetu 25 Vi 17 Chitra 1 - BhavaLg 17 Vi 45 Hastha 3 - HoraLg 18 Li 19 Swathi 4 - GhatiLg 20 Cp 00 Sravanam 4 - Dhooma 0 Cp 37 U.Shaa. 2 - Vyati 29 Ge 22 Punarvasu 3 - Pari 29 Sg 22 U.Shaa. 1 - I.Chapa 0 Cn 37 Punarvasu 4 - Upaketu 17 Cn 17 Aasresha 1 - Kaala 26 Li 16 Visakha 2 - Mrityu 4 Sg 30 Moola 2 - ArthaPr 1 Cp 45 U.Shaa. 2 - YamaGha 16 Le 22 Poo.Pha. 1 - Mandi 0 Li 09 Chitra 3 - Gulika 21 Vi 25 Hastha 4 - +----------------------+| | | | || | | | || Rah | | | || | | | || | | | ||-------------|---------------------------|-------------|| | | || | | || | | Mar || | | || | | ||-------------| R A S I |-------------|| | | || Moo | | Sat || | | || GL | | Sun || | | ||-------------|---------------------------|-------------|| | | | Asc Mer || | | Mnd | || JupR | | | BL Glk || | | HL | || | | | Ven Ket |+----------------------+ +----------------------+| | | | || Asc | | | || | | Mer | BL || HL | | | || | | | ||-------------|---------------------------|-------------|| | | Glk || | | || Rah | | Ven || | | || | | GL ||-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------|| | | Mar || | | || Moo | | Sat || | | || | | Ket ||-------------|---------------------------|-------------|| | | | || | | | || JupR | | Mnd | Sun || | | | || | | | |+----------------------+ Vimsottari Dasa: Sun 1949-09-03 Jupi 1950-03-05 Satu 1950-12-22 Merc 1951-12-04 Ketu 1952-10-10 Venu 1953-02-15Moon 1954-02-15 Mars 1954-12-16 Rahu 1955-07-17 Jupi 1957-01-15 Satu 1958-05-17 Merc 1959-12-17 Ketu 1961-05-17 Venu 1961-12-16 Sun 1963-08-17Mars 1964-02-15 Rahu 1964-07-13 Jupi 1965-08-01 Satu 1966-07-08 Merc 1967-08-17 Ketu 1968-08-13 Venu 1969-01-09 Sun 1970-03-11 Moon 1970-07-17Rahu 1971-02-15 Jupi 1973-10-28 Satu 1976-03-23 Merc 1979-01-28 Ketu 1981-08-16 Venu 1982-09-04 Sun 1985-09-03 Moon 1986-07-29 Mars 1988-01-28Jupi 1989-02-14 Satu 1991-04-05 Merc 1993-10-16 Ketu 1996-01-22 Venu 1996-12-28 Sun 1999-08-29 Moon 2000-06-16 Mars 2001-10-16 Rahu 2002-09-22Satu 2005-02-14 Merc 2008-02-18 Ketu 2010-10-28 Venu 2011-12-07 Sun 2015-02-06 Moon 2016-01-19 Mars 2017-08-19 Rahu 2018-09-28 Jupi 2021-08-04Merc 2024-02-15 Ketu 2026-07-14 Venu 2027-07-11 Sun 2030-05-11 Moon 2031-03-17 Mars 2032-08-15 Rahu 2033-08-13 Jupi 2036-03-01 Satu 2038-06-07Ketu 2041-02-14 Venu 2041-07-13 Sun 2042-09-12 Moon 2043-01-18 Mars 2043-08-19 Rahu 2044-01-15 Jupi 2045-02-02 Satu 2046-01-09 Merc 2047-02-18Venu 2048-02-15 Sun 2051-06-16 Moon 2052-06-15 Mars 2054-02-14 Rahu 2055-04-16 Jupi 2058-04-16 Satu 2060-12-15 Merc 2064-02-15 Ketu 2066-12-15 - Tanvir Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:05 PM Re: Married Life Hello, >From different sources, we get that 2nd and 4th houses rules "Family". On the other hand some say that they rule "relatives". I was very confused with them... But now, from my part I am sure that 4th house rules "Private Family", or "General Family" ie family with wife, kids, parents, siblings or in straight, the people you live in the same house with. And 2nd house shows "Relatives" ie the "Bigger family". When classics say that 2nd house rules family, they mean the bigger family circle of relatives. This is clear from my part since whenever I do any Sani remedy, there are some effects from my relatives. (Sani is in 2nd in my chart.) Always note down the things you are confused / not sure about... and when you look charts, always look from those views and try to understand which is correct... The TR Sat in 2nd house may be bad for marriage since 2nd house rules 2nd marriage. On the other hand it would be big mistake to overlook the dasha bhukti you were running that time. TR Sat would come to your 2nd house 3 times in life (May be) but would it always break marriage? Maha Dasa + Anter Dasa plays the biggest role while PD shows the timing and also TR shows the timing. Rahu is the disguised / cheater and with Rahu in 7th, you might discover that your husband did hide manythings from you and it took you years to discover his true nature. Watch for Rahu periods... If you have no problem you can send your chart in JHD format with the events then we can discuss. Best wishes,Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Clara Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:05 PM Re: Married Life Hi, I have learned that family life and domestic hapiness is ruled bij the 2nd house in jyotish, in western astrology it is ruled by the 4th house. The second house should be observed for family life, it surely affects marriage. I will give example from my life. I was married for 12 years without problems, untill transit Saturn entered my second house (empty) with Libra in it, its exaltation sign, causing exalted problems in domestic harmony and family life. My marriage did not survive those two and a half years and end up in divorce (indicated by Rahu in the 7th). - Tanvir Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:14 PM Re: Married Life hello, this is a good initiative. i am not sure about the role of 4th house and lord about marriage. but yes it is the general happiness. how much sure are you about the 4th house's role in married life? this might add to my knowledge... another thing that 4th house and lord rules "family life" and "home environment". disturbs to 4th lord will disturb family life but not necessary problem in married life. the disturb might come as any form like even problem from kids, or parents, or any1 you live with in the home... and as one of the matters married life is a probable answer... not so? you are right, that in short, any affliction to the 7th house / lord / venus will disturb marital / romantic matters. also look for the 2nd house for second marriage etc. sani there might give 2nd marriage... :-( [i have this] to know more about the spouse, see any planet situated in the 7th, or aspecting 7th. or planets joining 7th lord and venus etc. who is strong among them? etc etc. also see the 7th lord's own nature and his position... also see where is the 7th lord from his own house? like, 7th lord is in 3rd = 7th lord is 9th from own house. th is for teachers, religious. the wife might be involved in teaching or religous. this matches in my father's life. i also have the same. now if the 7th lord is wel placed and unafflicted then the wife will be virtuous since 9th house is the house of virtue. if the planet is exalted or own house then wife will make great prosper and will also help the hus since 9th is the house of prosperity. also 3rd house matters will come. well placed - good initiative in married life. ill placed, married life suffers for lack of initiatives. this i find true. again, if the 7th lord in 3rd is afflicted, esp by cruel 3rd lord, or rahu, or sani - then 3rd house ppl (siblings) will distrub marital life. even union between wife and sibling is possible. sani joining / aspecting ve will give separation from wife (being away). for aspect, sani has to be strong like it is exalted in my case - LOL ! sani in 7th might make a too much formal marriage by guardians, conservative marriage against ur wish, or a conservative wife, hard owrking or sick health wife. there may be age problems in the couple. this is what i see. always remember the planets own nature. etc etc. best wishes, tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Learner Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:32 PM Married Life Hi, My knowledge in this area is limited. Marriage /Married Life can be inferred from :- 1>. 7th House and 7th Lord 2>. Venus 3>. 4th House and 4th Lord 1. 7th House and Lord Related :- In general, if the 7th house is aspected or occupied by benefic planets (Jupiter, Venus) the marriage will be happy. If the 7th house is occupied by malefic planets (Mars, Saturn, Ketu, Rahu, Sun), there will be conflict and unhappiness. 2. Venus Venus is the next indicator (Karaka) of marriage and spouse after the 7th house and its Lord. As with the 7th house and its lord, if Venus is strong and well aspected, the spouse and marriage will be strong. If Venus is badly placed or aspected, trouble is indicated for the spouse, and possibly also for the marriage. 3. 4th House and Lord The fourth house is the indicator of, among other things, happiness in the home and marital harmony. If the fourth house is occupied and aspected by malefic planets, or if the 4th lord is badly placed, it will indicate a lack of harmony between the husband and wife, which may result in separation. Now we need to know the role of aspects and special yogas etc etc. Some of the things to look for :- 1. Venus should not be combined with enemy planet. 2. 7th lord and house should not be badly placed. 3. 4th lord and house should not be badly placed. I do not know how to find out more about the spouse's career(profession) and behaviuor (nature) and looks etc etc. Whatever I have written is very primitive and I will post one/two examples from which we can study on this basis and infer. But I request others to come forward anf give valuable input. 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Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 Dear All, I am a learner and i want to post one thing in this matter. The 4 th house plays a important role for the female. The fourth house or the placement of 4 lord in a female horoscope has to be seen to judge the marital bliss between her and the husband.That is all i know..about the case of clara...can anyone clarify why she is not able to achive marital harmony thanks saiganesh , "Clara" <myst3949@h...> wrote: > Hello, > > OK, enclosed here is my chart. Also with two divorces. > > Met my first husband shortly before my 16th birthday at my job. > Marriage 21 april 1970 > Two planned children in 1973 and 1974 > One unplanned child born 5 april 1984, which ruined the marriage > Husband left december 1984 > > New relation in 1987 > unwanted pregnancy (again!) > Second marriage 9 oktober 1987 > Fourth child born in 1988 > Third child also ruined this marriage, (he is a very difficult child) > Second husband left 10 may 1995 > > 19 march 2003 first husband died > > In 1995 after divorce I visited a pandit who adviced me for wearing gemstones and having yagya's done > I am wearing blue saphire, emerald and diamond (small) > and had done a 2 days yagya for Saturn as wel as for Jupiter. > > These remedies do not change the problems I am facing in the outer world, they are still there, remedies help heal inner wounds, they are a matter of spiritual growth > > kind regards, > > Clara > > > > > -- > These calculations were made using "Jagannatha Hora Lite". It is a > free software from Sri Jagannath Vedic Centre. You can download it > from http://www.geocities.com/~astrowhiz or http://www.sjvc.net. > -- > > Date of Birth: September 3, 1949 > Time of Birth: 7:55:00 am > Time Zone of Birth: 1:00 East of GMT > Longitude of Birth: 5 E 17 > Latitude of Birth: 52 N 42 > Lunar month (maasa): Bhadrapada > Lunar day (tithi): Sukla Dwadasi > Tithi balance: 0.9318 > Nakshatra balance: 0.7422 > Sun-Moon Yoga: Soubhagya > Sun-Moon Karana: Bava > Vara (weekday): Saturday > > Sunrise = 5:52 am (Apparent rise - upper limb) > Ayanamsa = 23-09-10 > Dasa year length chosen = 365.2425 days > > Planet Position Pada CharaK > > Ascdt 7 Vi 37 U.Pha. 4 - > Sun 17 Le 17 Poo.Pha. 2 BK > Moon 0 Cp 06 U.Shaa. 2 DK > Mars 4 Cn 22 Pushyami 1 GK > Mercury 13 Vi 46 Hastha 2 PiK > Jupiter ® 29 Sg 33 U.Shaa. 1 AK > Venus 23 Vi 17 Hastha 4 AmK > Saturn 16 Le 31 Poo.Pha. 1 MK > Rahu 25 Pi 17 Revathi 3 PK > Ketu 25 Vi 17 Chitra 1 - > BhavaLg 17 Vi 45 Hastha 3 - > HoraLg 18 Li 19 Swathi 4 - > GhatiLg 20 Cp 00 Sravanam 4 - > Dhooma 0 Cp 37 U.Shaa. 2 - > Vyati 29 Ge 22 Punarvasu 3 - > Pari 29 Sg 22 U.Shaa. 1 - > I.Chapa 0 Cn 37 Punarvasu 4 - > Upaketu 17 Cn 17 Aasresha 1 - > Kaala 26 Li 16 Visakha 2 - > Mrityu 4 Sg 30 Moola 2 - > ArthaPr 1 Cp 45 U.Shaa. 2 - > YamaGha 16 Le 22 Poo.Pha. 1 - > Mandi 0 Li 09 Chitra 3 - > Gulika 21 Vi 25 Hastha 4 - > > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | | | | | > | Rah | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | | | Mar | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------| R A S I |-------------| > | | | | > | Moo | | Sat | > | | | | > | GL | | Sun | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | Asc Mer | > | | | Mnd | | > | JupR | | | BL Glk | > | | | HL | | > | | | | Ven Ket | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | Asc | | | | > | | | Mer | BL | > | HL | | | | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | Glk | > | | | | > | Rah | | Ven | > | | | | > | | | GL | > |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------| > | | | Mar | > | | | | > | Moo | | Sat | > | | | | > | | | Ket | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | | > | | | | | > | JupR | | Mnd | Sun | > | | | | | > | | | | | > +----------------------+ > > > Vimsottari Dasa: > > Sun 1949-09-03 Jupi 1950-03-05 > Satu 1950-12-22 Merc 1951-12-04 Ketu 1952-10-10 Venu 1953-02-15 > Moon 1954-02-15 Mars 1954-12-16 Rahu 1955-07-17 Jupi 1957-01-15 Satu 1958-05-17 > Merc 1959-12-17 Ketu 1961-05-17 Venu 1961-12-16 Sun 1963-08-17 > Mars 1964-02-15 Rahu 1964-07-13 Jupi 1965-08-01 Satu 1966-07-08 Merc 1967-08-17 > Ketu 1968-08-13 Venu 1969-01-09 Sun 1970-03-11 Moon 1970-07-17 > Rahu 1971-02-15 Jupi 1973-10-28 Satu 1976-03-23 Merc 1979-01-28 Ketu 1981-08-16 > Venu 1982-09-04 Sun 1985-09-03 Moon 1986-07-29 Mars 1988-01-28 > Jupi 1989-02-14 Satu 1991-04-05 Merc 1993-10-16 Ketu 1996-01-22 Venu 1996-12-28 > Sun 1999-08-29 Moon 2000-06-16 Mars 2001-10-16 Rahu 2002-09-22 > Satu 2005-02-14 Merc 2008-02-18 Ketu 2010-10-28 Venu 2011-12-07 Sun 2015-02-06 > Moon 2016-01-19 Mars 2017-08-19 Rahu 2018-09-28 Jupi 2021-08-04 > Merc 2024-02-15 Ketu 2026-07-14 Venu 2027-07-11 Sun 2030-05-11 Moon 2031-03-17 > Mars 2032-08-15 Rahu 2033-08-13 Jupi 2036-03-01 Satu 2038-06-07 > Ketu 2041-02-14 Venu 2041-07-13 Sun 2042-09-12 Moon 2043-01-18 Mars 2043-08-19 > Rahu 2044-01-15 Jupi 2045-02-02 Satu 2046-01-09 Merc 2047-02-18 > Venu 2048-02-15 Sun 2051-06-16 Moon 2052-06-15 Mars 2054-02-14 Rahu 2055-04-16 > Jupi 2058-04-16 Satu 2060-12-15 Merc 2064-02-15 Ketu 2066-12-15 > > > - > Tanvir > > Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:05 PM > Re: Married Life > > > Hello, > From different sources, we get that 2nd and 4th houses rules "Family". On the other hand some say that they rule "relatives". > > I was very confused with them... > > But now, from my part I am sure that 4th house rules "Private Family", or "General Family" ie family with wife, kids, parents, siblings or in straight, the people you live in the same house with. > > And 2nd house shows "Relatives" ie the "Bigger family". When classics say that 2nd house rules family, they mean the bigger family circle of relatives. > > This is clear from my part since whenever I do any Sani remedy, there are some effects from my relatives. (Sani is in 2nd in my chart.) > > Always note down the things you are confused / not sure about... and when you look charts, always look from those views and try to understand which is correct... > > The TR Sat in 2nd house may be bad for marriage since 2nd house rules 2nd marriage. On the other hand it would be big mistake to overlook the dasha bhukti you were running that time. TR Sat would come to your 2nd house 3 times in life (May be) but would it always break marriage? Maha Dasa + Anter Dasa plays the biggest role while PD shows the timing and also TR shows the timing. > > Rahu is the disguised / cheater and with Rahu in 7th, you might discover that your husband did hide manythings from you and it took you years to discover his true nature. Watch for Rahu periods... > > If you have no problem you can send your chart in JHD format with the events then we can discuss. > > Best wishes, > Tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > tanvir@s... > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > - > Clara > > Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:05 PM > Re: Married Life > > > Hi, > I have learned that family life and domestic hapiness is ruled bij the 2nd house in jyotish, in western astrology it is ruled by the 4th house. > > The second house should be observed for family life, it surely affects marriage. > I will give example from my life. > I was married for 12 years without problems, untill transit Saturn entered my second house (empty) with Libra in it, its exaltation sign, causing exalted problems in domestic harmony and family life. My marriage did not survive those two and a half years and end up in divorce (indicated by Rahu in the 7th). > > > - > Tanvir > > Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:14 PM > Re: Married Life > > > hello, > > this is a good initiative. > > i am not sure about the role of 4th house and lord about marriage. but yes it is the general happiness. how much sure are you about the 4th house's role in married life? this might add to my knowledge... > > another thing that 4th house and lord rules "family life" and "home environment". disturbs to 4th lord will disturb family life but not necessary problem in married life. the disturb might come as any form like even problem from kids, or parents, or any1 you live with in the home... and as one of the matters married life is a probable answer... not so? > > you are right, that in short, any affliction to the 7th house / lord / venus will disturb marital / romantic matters. > > also look for the 2nd house for second marriage etc. sani there might give 2nd marriage... :-( > [i have this] > > to know more about the spouse, see any planet situated in the 7th, or aspecting 7th. or planets joining 7th lord and venus etc. who is strong among them? etc etc. also see the 7th lord's own nature and his position... > > also see where is the 7th lord from his own house? like, 7th lord is in 3rd = 7th lord is 9th from own house. th is for teachers, religious. the wife might be involved in teaching or religous. this matches in my father's life. i also have the same. > > now if the 7th lord is wel placed and unafflicted then the wife will be virtuous since 9th house is the house of virtue. > > if the planet is exalted or own house then wife will make great prosper and will also help the hus since 9th is the house of prosperity. > > also 3rd house matters will come. well placed - good initiative in married life. ill placed, married life suffers for lack of initiatives. this i find true. > > again, if the 7th lord in 3rd is afflicted, esp by cruel 3rd lord, or rahu, or sani - then 3rd house ppl (siblings) will distrub marital life. even union between wife and sibling is possible. > > sani joining / aspecting ve will give separation from wife (being away). for aspect, sani has to be strong like it is exalted in my case - LOL ! sani in 7th might make a too much formal marriage by guardians, conservative marriage against ur wish, or a conservative wife, hard owrking or sick health wife. there may be age problems in the couple. this is what i see. always remember the planets own nature. > > etc etc. > > best wishes, > tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > tanvir@s... > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > > - > Learner > > Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:32 PM > Married Life > > > Hi, > > My knowledge in this area is limited. > > Marriage /Married Life can be inferred from :- > 1>. 7th House and 7th Lord > 2>. Venus > 3>. 4th House and 4th Lord > > > 1. 7th House and Lord Related :- > In general, if the 7th house is aspected or occupied by benefic planets (Jupiter, Venus) the marriage will be happy. If the 7th house is occupied by malefic planets (Mars, Saturn, Ketu, Rahu, Sun), there will be conflict and unhappiness. > > 2. Venus > Venus is the next indicator (Karaka) of marriage and spouse after the 7th house and its Lord. As with the 7th house and its lord, if Venus is strong and well aspected, the spouse and marriage will be strong. If Venus is badly placed or aspected, trouble is indicated for the spouse, and possibly also for the marriage. > > 3. 4th House and Lord > The fourth house is the indicator of, among other things, happiness in the home and marital harmony. If the fourth house is occupied and aspected by malefic planets, or if the 4th lord is badly placed, it will indicate a lack of harmony between the husband and wife, which may result in separation. > > > Now we need to know the role of aspects and special yogas etc etc. > > Some of the things to look for :- > 1. Venus should not be combined with enemy planet. > 2. 7th lord and house should not be badly placed. > 3. 4th lord and house should not be badly placed. > > I do not know how to find out more about the spouse's career (profession) and behaviuor (nature) and looks etc etc. > > Whatever I have written is very primitive and I will post one/two examples from which we can study on this basis and infer. But I request others to come forward anf give valuable input. > > Thanxs > Learner > SMS using the Messenger; Download latest version. > > ~! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ > > Terms of Service. > > > > > ~! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ > > Terms of Service. > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 One observation which is correct in some cases seen :- If 7th lord is present in 10th then spouse of the person and the profession have some relation. May be spouse is also in the same professoin. But the doubt is : If 10th lord (which leads profession affairs) is in 7th house then also the above conclusion can be drawn. But these should mean different things ? Please clarify. Its more logical question. Thanxs Learner , "saiganesh_h" <saiganesh_h> wrote: > Dear All, > > I am a learner and i want to post one thing in this matter. The 4 th > house plays a important role for the female. The fourth house or the > placement of 4 lord in a female horoscope has to be seen to judge the > marital bliss between her and the husband.That is all i know..about > the case of clara...can anyone clarify why she is not able to achive > marital harmony > > thanks > > saiganesh > > > , "Clara" <myst3949@h...> > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > OK, enclosed here is my chart. Also with two divorces. > > > > Met my first husband shortly before my 16th birthday at my job. > > Marriage 21 april 1970 > > Two planned children in 1973 and 1974 > > One unplanned child born 5 april 1984, which ruined the marriage > > Husband left december 1984 > > > > New relation in 1987 > > unwanted pregnancy (again!) > > Second marriage 9 oktober 1987 > > Fourth child born in 1988 > > Third child also ruined this marriage, (he is a very difficult > child) > > Second husband left 10 may 1995 > > > > 19 march 2003 first husband died > > > > In 1995 after divorce I visited a pandit who adviced me for wearing > gemstones and having yagya's done > > I am wearing blue saphire, emerald and diamond (small) > > and had done a 2 days yagya for Saturn as wel as for Jupiter. > > > > These remedies do not change the problems I am facing in the outer > world, they are still there, remedies help heal inner wounds, they > are a matter of spiritual growth > > > > kind regards, > > > > Clara > > > > > > > > > > -- > > These calculations were made using "Jagannatha Hora Lite". It is a > > free software from Sri Jagannath Vedic Centre. You can download it > > from http://www.geocities.com/~astrowhiz or http://www.sjvc.net. > > -- > > > > Date of Birth: September 3, 1949 > > Time of Birth: 7:55:00 am > > Time Zone of Birth: 1:00 East of GMT > > Longitude of Birth: 5 E 17 > > Latitude of Birth: 52 N 42 > > Lunar month (maasa): Bhadrapada > > Lunar day (tithi): Sukla Dwadasi > > Tithi balance: 0.9318 > > Nakshatra balance: 0.7422 > > Sun-Moon Yoga: Soubhagya > > Sun-Moon Karana: Bava > > Vara (weekday): Saturday > > > > Sunrise = 5:52 am (Apparent rise - upper limb) > > Ayanamsa = 23-09-10 > > Dasa year length chosen = 365.2425 days > > > > Planet Position Pada CharaK > > > > Ascdt 7 Vi 37 U.Pha. 4 - > > Sun 17 Le 17 Poo.Pha. 2 BK > > Moon 0 Cp 06 U.Shaa. 2 DK > > Mars 4 Cn 22 Pushyami 1 GK > > Mercury 13 Vi 46 Hastha 2 PiK > > Jupiter ® 29 Sg 33 U.Shaa. 1 AK > > Venus 23 Vi 17 Hastha 4 AmK > > Saturn 16 Le 31 Poo.Pha. 1 MK > > Rahu 25 Pi 17 Revathi 3 PK > > Ketu 25 Vi 17 Chitra 1 - > > BhavaLg 17 Vi 45 Hastha 3 - > > HoraLg 18 Li 19 Swathi 4 - > > GhatiLg 20 Cp 00 Sravanam 4 - > > Dhooma 0 Cp 37 U.Shaa. 2 - > > Vyati 29 Ge 22 Punarvasu 3 - > > Pari 29 Sg 22 U.Shaa. 1 - > > I.Chapa 0 Cn 37 Punarvasu 4 - > > Upaketu 17 Cn 17 Aasresha 1 - > > Kaala 26 Li 16 Visakha 2 - > > Mrityu 4 Sg 30 Moola 2 - > > ArthaPr 1 Cp 45 U.Shaa. 2 - > > YamaGha 16 Le 22 Poo.Pha. 1 - > > Mandi 0 Li 09 Chitra 3 - > > Gulika 21 Vi 25 Hastha 4 - > > > > > > +----------------------+ > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | Rah | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | | Mar | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > |-------------| R A S I |-------------| > > | | | | > > | Moo | | Sat | > > | | | | > > | GL | | Sun | > > | | | | > > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > > | | | | Asc Mer | > > | | | Mnd | | > > | JupR | | | BL Glk | > > | | | HL | | > > | | | | Ven Ket | > > +----------------------+ > > > > +----------------------+ > > | | | | | > > | Asc | | | | > > | | | Mer | BL | > > | HL | | | | > > | | | | | > > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > > | | | Glk | > > | | | | > > | Rah | | Ven | > > | | | | > > | | | GL | > > |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------| > > | | | Mar | > > | | | | > > | Moo | | Sat | > > | | | | > > | | | Ket | > > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | JupR | | Mnd | Sun | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > +----------------------+ > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa: > > > > Sun 1949-09-03 Jupi 1950-03-05 > > Satu 1950-12-22 Merc 1951-12-04 Ketu 1952-10- 10 > Venu 1953-02-15 > > Moon 1954-02-15 Mars 1954-12-16 Rahu 1955-07-17 Jupi 1957-01- 15 > Satu 1958-05-17 > > Merc 1959-12-17 Ketu 1961-05-17 Venu 1961-12- 16 > Sun 1963-08-17 > > Mars 1964-02-15 Rahu 1964-07-13 Jupi 1965-08-01 Satu 1966-07- 08 > Merc 1967-08-17 > > Ketu 1968-08-13 Venu 1969-01-09 Sun 1970-03- 11 > Moon 1970-07-17 > > Rahu 1971-02-15 Jupi 1973-10-28 Satu 1976-03-23 Merc 1979-01- 28 > Ketu 1981-08-16 > > Venu 1982-09-04 Sun 1985-09-03 Moon 1986-07- 29 > Mars 1988-01-28 > > Jupi 1989-02-14 Satu 1991-04-05 Merc 1993-10-16 Ketu 1996-01- 22 > Venu 1996-12-28 > > Sun 1999-08-29 Moon 2000-06-16 Mars 2001-10- 16 > Rahu 2002-09-22 > > Satu 2005-02-14 Merc 2008-02-18 Ketu 2010-10-28 Venu 2011-12- 07 > Sun 2015-02-06 > > Moon 2016-01-19 Mars 2017-08-19 Rahu 2018-09- 28 > Jupi 2021-08-04 > > Merc 2024-02-15 Ketu 2026-07-14 Venu 2027-07-11 Sun 2030-05- 11 > Moon 2031-03-17 > > Mars 2032-08-15 Rahu 2033-08-13 Jupi 2036-03- 01 > Satu 2038-06-07 > > Ketu 2041-02-14 Venu 2041-07-13 Sun 2042-09-12 Moon 2043-01- 18 > Mars 2043-08-19 > > Rahu 2044-01-15 Jupi 2045-02-02 Satu 2046-01- 09 > Merc 2047-02-18 > > Venu 2048-02-15 Sun 2051-06-16 Moon 2052-06-15 Mars 2054-02- 14 > Rahu 2055-04-16 > > Jupi 2058-04-16 Satu 2060-12-15 Merc 2064-02- 15 > Ketu 2066-12-15 > > > > > > - > > Tanvir > > > > Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:05 PM > > Re: Married Life > > > > > > Hello, > > From different sources, we get that 2nd and 4th houses > rules "Family". On the other hand some say that they rule "relatives". > > > > I was very confused with them... > > > > But now, from my part I am sure that 4th house rules "Private > Family", or "General Family" ie family with wife, kids, parents, > siblings or in straight, the people you live in the same house with. > > > > And 2nd house shows "Relatives" ie the "Bigger family". When > classics say that 2nd house rules family, they mean the bigger family > circle of relatives. > > > > This is clear from my part since whenever I do any Sani remedy, > there are some effects from my relatives. (Sani is in 2nd in my > chart.) > > > > Always note down the things you are confused / not sure about... > and when you look charts, always look from those views and try to > understand which is correct... > > > > The TR Sat in 2nd house may be bad for marriage since 2nd house > rules 2nd marriage. On the other hand it would be big mistake to > overlook the dasha bhukti you were running that time. TR Sat would > come to your 2nd house 3 times in life (May be) but would it always > break marriage? Maha Dasa + Anter Dasa plays the biggest role while > PD shows the timing and also TR shows the timing. > > > > Rahu is the disguised / cheater and with Rahu in 7th, you might > discover that your husband did hide manythings from you and it took > you years to discover his true nature. Watch for Rahu periods... > > > > If you have no problem you can send your chart in JHD format with > the events then we can discuss. > > > > Best wishes, > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > Tanvir Chowdhury > > tanvir@s... > > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > > > > - > > Clara > > > > Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:05 PM > > Re: Married Life > > > > > > Hi, > > I have learned that family life and domestic hapiness is ruled > bij the 2nd house in jyotish, in western astrology it is ruled by the > 4th house. > > > > The second house should be observed for family life, it surely > affects marriage. > > I will give example from my life. > > I was married for 12 years without problems, untill transit > Saturn entered my second house (empty) with Libra in it, its > exaltation sign, causing exalted problems in domestic harmony and > family life. My marriage did not survive those two and a half years > and end up in divorce (indicated by Rahu in the 7th). > > > > > > - > > Tanvir > > > > Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:14 PM > > Re: Married Life > > > > > > hello, > > > > this is a good initiative. > > > > i am not sure about the role of 4th house and lord about > marriage. but yes it is the general happiness. how much sure are you > about the 4th house's role in married life? this might add to my > knowledge... > > > > another thing that 4th house and lord rules "family life" > and "home environment". disturbs to 4th lord will disturb family life > but not necessary problem in married life. the disturb might come as > any form like even problem from kids, or parents, or any1 you live > with in the home... and as one of the matters married life is a > probable answer... not so? > > > > you are right, that in short, any affliction to the 7th > house / lord / venus will disturb marital / romantic matters. > > > > also look for the 2nd house for second marriage etc. sani > there might give 2nd marriage... :-( > > [i have this] > > > > to know more about the spouse, see any planet situated in the > 7th, or aspecting 7th. or planets joining 7th lord and venus etc. who > is strong among them? etc etc. also see the 7th lord's own nature and > his position... > > > > also see where is the 7th lord from his own house? like, 7th > lord is in 3rd = 7th lord is 9th from own house. th is for teachers, > religious. the wife might be involved in teaching or religous. this > matches in my father's life. i also have the same. > > > > now if the 7th lord is wel placed and unafflicted then the > wife will be virtuous since 9th house is the house of virtue. > > > > if the planet is exalted or own house then wife will make > great prosper and will also help the hus since 9th is the house of > prosperity. > > > > also 3rd house matters will come. well placed - good > initiative in married life. ill placed, married life suffers for lack > of initiatives. this i find true. > > > > again, if the 7th lord in 3rd is afflicted, esp by cruel 3rd > lord, or rahu, or sani - then 3rd house ppl (siblings) will distrub > marital life. even union between wife and sibling is possible. > > > > sani joining / aspecting ve will give separation from wife > (being away). for aspect, sani has to be strong like it is exalted in > my case - LOL ! sani in 7th might make a too much formal marriage by > guardians, conservative marriage against ur wish, or a conservative > wife, hard owrking or sick health wife. there may be age problems in > the couple. this is what i see. always remember the planets own > nature. > > > > etc etc. > > > > best wishes, > > tanvir > > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > Tanvir Chowdhury > > tanvir@s... > > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > > > > > > - > > Learner > > > > Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:32 PM > > Married Life > > > > > > Hi, > > > > My knowledge in this area is limited. > > > > Marriage /Married Life can be inferred from :- > > 1>. 7th House and 7th Lord > > 2>. Venus > > 3>. 4th House and 4th Lord > > > > > > 1. 7th House and Lord Related :- > > In general, if the 7th house is aspected or occupied by > benefic planets (Jupiter, Venus) the marriage will be happy. If the > 7th house is occupied by malefic planets (Mars, Saturn, Ketu, Rahu, > Sun), there will be conflict and unhappiness. > > > > 2. Venus > > Venus is the next indicator (Karaka) of marriage and spouse > after the 7th house and its Lord. As with the 7th house and its > lord, if Venus is strong and well aspected, the spouse and marriage > will be strong. If Venus is badly placed or aspected, trouble is > indicated for the spouse, and possibly also for the marriage. > > > > 3. 4th House and Lord > > The fourth house is the indicator of, among other things, > happiness in the home and marital harmony. If the fourth house is > occupied and aspected by malefic planets, or if the 4th lord is badly > placed, it will indicate a lack of harmony between the husband and > wife, which may result in separation. > > > > > > Now we need to know the role of aspects and special yogas > etc etc. > > > > Some of the things to look for :- > > 1. Venus should not be combined with enemy planet. > > 2. 7th lord and house should not be badly placed. > > 3. 4th lord and house should not be badly placed. > > > > I do not know how to find out more about the spouse's career > (profession) and behaviuor (nature) and looks etc etc. > > > > Whatever I have written is very primitive and I will post > one/two examples from which we can study on this basis and infer. But > I request others to come forward anf give valuable input. > > > > Thanxs > > Learner > > SMS using the Messenger; Download latest version. > > > > ~! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 The individuality is highly developed because of the other planets in the first house besides Ketu. But the seventh has nothing in it but Rahu -- I read chaotic marriage partners, and unwanted pregnancy is par for this. The birth family is strong, because the ruler of the fourth, Jupiter, is swakshetra in Sag. in the fourth. The career is happening, because the ruler of the 10 is in the first. In my opinion, the destruction of the marriage when Saturn transited the second house was after the fact. To get to the second, Saturn first had to transit the first house containing the ascendant, Mercury (the chart ruler), Venus (the ruler of the second), and Ketu! There is often a time lag with Saturn's effects. Om Tryambakam YajamaheHoraku saiganesh_h <saiganesh_h > wrote: Dear All,I am a learner and i want to post one thing in this matter. The 4 th house plays a important role for the female. The fourth house or the placement of 4 lord in a female horoscope has to be seen to judge the marital bliss between her and the husband.That is all i know..about the case of clara...can anyone clarify why she is not able to achive marital harmonythankssaiganesh--- In , "Clara" <myst3949@h...> wrote:> Hello,> > OK, enclosed here is my chart. Also with two divorces.> > Met my first husband shortly before my 16th birthday at my job.> Marriage 21 april 1970> Two planned children in 1973 and 1974> One unplanned child born 5 april 1984, which ruined the marriage> Husband left december 1984> > New relation in 1987> unwanted pregnancy (again!)> Second marriage 9 oktober 1987> Fourth child born in 1988> Third child also ruined this marriage, (he is a very difficult child)> Second husband left 10 may 1995> > 19 march 2003 first husband died> > In 1995 after divorce I visited a pandit who adviced me for wearing gemstones and having yagya's done> I am wearing blue saphire, emerald and diamond (small)> and had done a 2 days yagya for Saturn as wel as for Jupiter. > > These remedies do not change the problems I am facing in the outer world, they are still there, remedies help heal inner wounds, they are a matter of spiritual growth> > kind regards,> > Clara> > > > > --> These calculations were made using "Jagannatha Hora Lite". It is a> free software from Sri Jagannath Vedic Centre. You can download it> from http://www.geocities.com/~astrowhiz or http://www.sjvc.net.> --> > Date of Birth: September 3, 1949> Time of Birth: 7:55:00 am> Time Zone of Birth: 1:00 East of GMT> Longitude of Birth: 5 E 17> Latitude of Birth: 52 N 42> Lunar month (maasa): Bhadrapada > Lunar day (tithi): Sukla Dwadasi> Tithi balance: 0.9318> Nakshatra balance: 0.7422> Sun-Moon Yoga: Soubhagya> Sun-Moon Karana: Bava> Vara (weekday): Saturday> > Sunrise = 5:52 am (Apparent rise - upper limb)> Ayanamsa = 23-09-10> Dasa year length chosen = 365.2425 days> > Planet Position Pada CharaK > > Ascdt 7 Vi 37 U.Pha. 4 - > Sun 17 Le 17 Poo.Pha. 2 BK> Moon 0 Cp 06 U.Shaa. 2 DK> Mars 4 Cn 22 Pushyami 1 GK> Mercury 13 Vi 46 Hastha 2 PiK> Jupiter ® 29 Sg 33 U.Shaa. 1 AK> Venus 23 Vi 17 Hastha 4 AmK> Saturn 16 Le 31 Poo.Pha. 1 MK> Rahu 25 Pi 17 Revathi 3 PK> Ketu 25 Vi 17 Chitra 1 - > BhavaLg 17 Vi 45 Hastha 3 - > HoraLg 18 Li 19 Swathi 4 - > GhatiLg 20 Cp 00 Sravanam 4 - > Dhooma 0 Cp 37 U.Shaa. 2 - > Vyati 29 Ge 22 Punarvasu 3 - > Pari 29 Sg 22 U.Shaa. 1 - > I.Chapa 0 Cn 37 Punarvasu 4 - > Upaketu 17 Cn 17 Aasresha 1 - > Kaala 26 Li 16 Visakha 2 - > Mrityu 4 Sg 30 Moola 2 - > ArthaPr 1 Cp 45 U.Shaa. 2 - > YamaGha 16 Le 22 Poo.Pha. 1 - > Mandi 0 Li 09 Chitra 3 - > Gulika 21 Vi 25 Hastha 4 - > > > +----------------------+> | | | | |> | | | | |> | Rah | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | |> | | | |> | | | Mar |> | | | |> | | | |> |-------------| R A S I |-------------|> | | | |> | Moo | | Sat |> | | | |> | GL | | Sun |> | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | | Asc Mer |> | | | Mnd | |> | JupR | | | BL Glk |> | | | HL | |> | | | | Ven Ket |> +----------------------+> > +----------------------+> | | | | |> | Asc | | | |> | | | Mer | BL |> | HL | | | |> | | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | Glk |> | | | |> | Rah | | Ven |> | | | |> | | | GL |> |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------|> | | | Mar |> | | | |> | Moo | | Sat |> | | | |> | | | Ket |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | | |> | | | | |> | JupR | | Mnd | Sun |> | | | | |> | | | | |> +----------------------+> > > Vimsottari Dasa:> > Sun 1949-09-03 Jupi 1950-03-05> Satu 1950-12-22 Merc 1951-12-04 Ketu 1952-10-10 Venu 1953-02-15> Moon 1954-02-15 Mars 1954-12-16 Rahu 1955-07-17 Jupi 1957-01-15 Satu 1958-05-17> Merc 1959-12-17 Ketu 1961-05-17 Venu 1961-12-16 Sun 1963-08-17> Mars 1964-02-15 Rahu 1964-07-13 Jupi 1965-08-01 Satu 1966-07-08 Merc 1967-08-17> Ketu 1968-08-13 Venu 1969-01-09 Sun 1970-03-11 Moon 1970-07-17> Rahu 1971-02-15 Jupi 1973-10-28 Satu 1976-03-23 Merc 1979-01-28 Ketu 1981-08-16> Venu 1982-09-04 Sun 1985-09-03 Moon 1986-07-29 Mars 1988-01-28> Jupi 1989-02-14 Satu 1991-04-05 Merc 1993-10-16 Ketu 1996-01-22 Venu 1996-12-28> Sun 1999-08-29 Moon 2000-06-16 Mars 2001-10-16 Rahu 2002-09-22> Satu 2005-02-14 Merc 2008-02-18 Ketu 2010-10-28 Venu 2011-12-07 Sun 2015-02-06> Moon 2016-01-19 Mars 2017-08-19 Rahu 2018-09-28 Jupi 2021-08-04> Merc 2024-02-15 Ketu 2026-07-14 Venu 2027-07-11 Sun 2030-05-11 Moon 2031-03-17> Mars 2032-08-15 Rahu 2033-08-13 Jupi 2036-03-01 Satu 2038-06-07> Ketu 2041-02-14 Venu 2041-07-13 Sun 2042-09-12 Moon 2043-01-18 Mars 2043-08-19> Rahu 2044-01-15 Jupi 2045-02-02 Satu 2046-01-09 Merc 2047-02-18> Venu 2048-02-15 Sun 2051-06-16 Moon 2052-06-15 Mars 2054-02-14 Rahu 2055-04-16> Jupi 2058-04-16 Satu 2060-12-15 Merc 2064-02-15 Ketu 2066-12-15> > > - > Tanvir > To: > Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:05 PM> Re: Married Life> > > Hello,> From different sources, we get that 2nd and 4th houses rules "Family". On the other hand some say that they rule "relatives".> > I was very confused with them...> > But now, from my part I am sure that 4th house rules "Private Family", or "General Family" ie family with wife, kids, parents, siblings or in straight, the people you live in the same house with.> > And 2nd house shows "Relatives" ie the "Bigger family". When classics say that 2nd house rules family, they mean the bigger family circle of relatives.> > This is clear from my part since whenever I do any Sani remedy, there are some effects from my relatives. (Sani is in 2nd in my chart.)> > Always note down the things you are confused / not sure about... and when you look charts, always look from those views and try to understand which is correct...> > The TR Sat in 2nd house may be bad for marriage since 2nd house rules 2nd marriage. On the other hand it would be big mistake to overlook the dasha bhukti you were running that time. TR Sat would come to your 2nd house 3 times in life (May be) but would it always break marriage? Maha Dasa + Anter Dasa plays the biggest role while PD shows the timing and also TR shows the timing.> > Rahu is the disguised / cheater and with Rahu in 7th, you might discover that your husband did hide manythings from you and it took you years to discover his true nature. Watch for Rahu periods...> > If you have no problem you can send your chart in JHD format with the events then we can discuss.> > Best wishes,> Tanvir> > > > What can not happen, can never happen.> Which is mine, is forever mine.> > Tanvir Chowdhury> tanvir@s...> http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir> http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro> > > - > Clara > To: > Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:05 PM> Re: Married Life> > > Hi,> I have learned that family life and domestic hapiness is ruled bij the 2nd house in jyotish, in western astrology it is ruled by the 4th house.> > The second house should be observed for family life, it surely affects marriage. > I will give example from my life.> I was married for 12 years without problems, untill transit Saturn entered my second house (empty) with Libra in it, its exaltation sign, causing exalted problems in domestic harmony and family life. My marriage did not survive those two and a half years and end up in divorce (indicated by Rahu in the 7th).> > > - > Tanvir > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:14 PM> Re: Married Life> > > hello,> > this is a good initiative.> > i am not sure about the role of 4th house and lord about marriage. but yes it is the general happiness. how much sure are you about the 4th house's role in married life? this might add to my knowledge...> > another thing that 4th house and lord rules "family life" and "home environment". disturbs to 4th lord will disturb family life but not necessary problem in married life. the disturb might come as any form like even problem from kids, or parents, or any1 you live with in the home... and as one of the matters married life is a probable answer... not so?> > you are right, that in short, any affliction to the 7th house / lord / venus will disturb marital / romantic matters.> > also look for the 2nd house for second marriage etc. sani there might give 2nd marriage... :-(> [i have this]> > to know more about the spouse, see any planet situated in the 7th, or aspecting 7th. or planets joining 7th lord and venus etc. who is strong among them? etc etc. also see the 7th lord's own nature and his position...> > also see where is the 7th lord from his own house? like, 7th lord is in 3rd = 7th lord is 9th from own house. th is for teachers, religious. the wife might be involved in teaching or religous. this matches in my father's life. i also have the same.> > now if the 7th lord is wel placed and unafflicted then the wife will be virtuous since 9th house is the house of virtue.> > if the planet is exalted or own house then wife will make great prosper and will also help the hus since 9th is the house of prosperity.> > also 3rd house matters will come. well placed - good initiative in married life. ill placed, married life suffers for lack of initiatives. this i find true.> > again, if the 7th lord in 3rd is afflicted, esp by cruel 3rd lord, or rahu, or sani - then 3rd house ppl (siblings) will distrub marital life. even union between wife and sibling is possible.> > sani joining / aspecting ve will give separation from wife (being away). for aspect, sani has to be strong like it is exalted in my case - LOL ! sani in 7th might make a too much formal marriage by guardians, conservative marriage against ur wish, or a conservative wife, hard owrking or sick health wife. there may be age problems in the couple. this is what i see. always remember the planets own nature.> > etc etc.> > best wishes,> tanvir> > > > What can not happen, can never happen.> Which is mine, is forever mine.> > Tanvir Chowdhury> tanvir@s...> http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir> http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Learner > To: > Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:32 PM> Married Life> > > Hi,> > My knowledge in this area is limited.> > Marriage /Married Life can be inferred from :-> 1>. 7th House and 7th Lord> 2>. Venus > 3>. 4th House and 4th Lord> > > 1. 7th House and Lord Related :-> In general, if the 7th house is aspected or occupied by benefic planets (Jupiter, Venus) the marriage will be happy. If the 7th house is occupied by malefic planets (Mars, Saturn, Ketu, Rahu, Sun), there will be conflict and unhappiness.> > 2. Venus> Venus is the next indicator (Karaka) of marriage and spouse after the 7th house and its Lord. As with the 7th house and its lord, if Venus is strong and well aspected, the spouse and marriage will be strong. If Venus is badly placed or aspected, trouble is indicated for the spouse, and possibly also for the marriage.> > 3. 4th House and Lord> The fourth house is the indicator of, among other things, happiness in the home and marital harmony. If the fourth house is occupied and aspected by malefic planets, or if the 4th lord is badly placed, it will indicate a lack of harmony between the husband and wife, which may result in separation.> > > Now we need to know the role of aspects and special yogas etc etc.> > Some of the things to look for :-> 1. Venus should not be combined with enemy planet.> 2. 7th lord and house should not be badly placed.> 3. 4th lord and house should not be badly placed.> > I do not know how to find out more about the spouse's career(profession) and behaviuor (nature) and looks etc etc. > > Whatever I have written is very primitive and I will post one/two examples from which we can study on this basis and infer. But I request others to come forward anf give valuable input.> > Thanxs> Learner> SMS using the Messenger; Download latest version. > > ~! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > ~! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Horaku, You are right that what happens, always arises from what precedes. In fact the transit of Saturn in the first house gave the two most important and happy years of my life and in my marriage. I enjoyed life in those two years, which I cannot say about the rest of my life. But this was a total reverse, when Saturn changed houses. - shakuhoraku Friday, July 25, 2003 1:28 AM Re: Married Life In my opinion, Clara has trouble with her marriages because of the strength of the moksha karakas in the chart, and the nodal axis in the first and seventh houses. (Ketu in first, and Rahu in seventh) The ruler of the 12th, the Sun, is swakshetra in the twelfth, with Saturn. Saturn in the 12th is a moksha karaka in a moksha house. The individuality is highly developed because of the other planets in the first house besides Ketu. But the seventh has nothing in it but Rahu -- I read chaotic marriage partners, and unwanted pregnancy is par for this. The birth family is strong, because the ruler of the fourth, Jupiter, is swakshetra in Sag. in the fourth. The career is happening, because the ruler of the 10 is in the first. In my opinion, the destruction of the marriage when Saturn transited the second house was after the fact. To get to the second, Saturn first had to transit the first house containing the ascendant, Mercury (the chart ruler), Venus (the ruler of the second), and Ketu! There is often a time lag with Saturn's effects. Om Tryambakam YajamaheHoraku saiganesh_h <saiganesh_h > wrote: Dear All,I am a learner and i want to post one thing in this matter. The 4 th house plays a important role for the female. The fourth house or the placement of 4 lord in a female horoscope has to be seen to judge the marital bliss between her and the husband.That is all i know..about the case of clara...can anyone clarify why she is not able to achive marital harmonythankssaiganesh--- In , "Clara" <myst3949@h...> wrote:> Hello,> > OK, enclosed here is my chart. Also with two divorces.> > Met my first husband shortly before my 16th birthday at my job.> Marriage 21 april 1970> Two planned children in 1973 and 1974> One unplanned child born 5 april 1984, which ruined the marriage> Husband left december 1984> > New relation in 1987> unwanted pregnancy (again!)> Second marriage 9 oktober 1987> Fourth child born in 1988> Third child also ruined this marriage, (he is a very difficult child)> Second husband left 10 may 1995> > 19 march 2003 first husband died> > In 1995 after divorce I visited a pandit who adviced me for wearing gemstones and having yagya's done> I am wearing blue saphire, emerald and diamond (small)> and had done a 2 days yagya for Saturn as wel as for Jupiter. > > These remedies do not change the problems I am facing in the outer world, they are still there, remedies help heal inner wounds, they are a matter of spiritual growth> > kind regards,> > Clara> > > > > --> These calculations were made using "Jagannatha Hora Lite". It is a> free software from Sri Jagannath Vedic Centre. You can download it> from http://www.geocities.com/~astrowhiz or http://www.sjvc.net.> --> > Date of Birth: September 3, 1949> Time of Birth: 7:55:00 am> Time Zone of Birth: 1:00 East of GMT> Longitude of Birth: 5 E 17> Latitude of Birth: 52 N 42> Lunar month (maasa): Bhadrapada > Lunar day (tithi): Sukla Dwadasi> Tithi balance: 0.9318> Nakshatra balance: 0.7422> Sun-Moon Yoga: Soubhagya> Sun-Moon Karana: Bava> Vara (weekday): Saturday> > Sunrise = 5:52 am (Apparent rise - upper limb)> Ayanamsa = 23-09-10> Dasa year length chosen = 365.2425 days> > Planet Position Pada CharaK > > Ascdt 7 Vi 37 U.Pha. 4 - > Sun 17 Le 17 Poo.Pha. 2 BK> Moon 0 Cp 06 U.Shaa. 2 DK> Mars 4 Cn 22 Pushyami 1 GK> Mercury 13 Vi 46 Hastha 2 PiK> Jupiter ® 29 Sg 33 U.Shaa. 1 AK> Venus 23 Vi 17 Hastha 4 AmK> Saturn 16 Le 31 Poo.Pha. 1 MK> Rahu 25 Pi 17 Revathi 3 PK> Ketu 25 Vi 17 Chitra 1 - > BhavaLg 17 Vi 45 Hastha 3 - > HoraLg 18 Li 19 Swathi 4 - > GhatiLg 20 Cp 00 Sravanam 4 - > Dhooma 0 Cp 37 U.Shaa. 2 - > Vyati 29 Ge 22 Punarvasu 3 - > Pari 29 Sg 22 U.Shaa. 1 - > I.Chapa 0 Cn 37 Punarvasu 4 - > Upaketu 17 Cn 17 Aasresha 1 - > Kaala 26 Li 16 Visakha 2 - > Mrityu 4 Sg 30 Moola 2 - > ArthaPr 1 Cp 45 U.Shaa. 2 - > YamaGha 16 Le 22 Poo.Pha. 1 - > Mandi 0 Li 09 Chitra 3 - > Gulika 21 Vi 25 Hastha 4 - > > > +----------------------+> | | | | |> | | | | |> | Rah | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | |> | | | |> | | | Mar |> | | | |> | | | |> |-------------| R A S I |-------------|> | | | |> | Moo | | Sat |> | | | |> | GL | | Sun |> | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | | Asc Mer |> | | | Mnd | |> | JupR | | | BL Glk |> | | | HL | |> | | | | Ven Ket |> +----------------------+> > +----------------------+> | | | | |> | Asc | | | |> | | | Mer | BL |> | HL | | | |> | | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | Glk |> | | | |> | Rah | | Ven |> | | | |> | | | GL |> |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------|> | | | Mar |> | | | |> | Moo | | Sat |> | | | |> | | | Ket |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | | |> | | | | |> | JupR | | Mnd | Sun |> | | | | |> | | | | |> +----------------------+> > > Vimsottari Dasa:> > Sun 1949-09-03 Jupi 1950-03-05> Satu 1950-12-22 Merc 1951-12-04 Ketu 1952-10-10 Venu 1953-02-15> Moon 1954-02-15 Mars 1954-12-16 Rahu 1955-07-17 Jupi 1957-01-15 Satu 1958-05-17> Merc 1959-12-17 Ketu 1961-05-17 Venu 1961-12-16 Sun 1963-08-17> Mars 1964-02-15 Rahu 1964-07-13 Jupi 1965-08-01 Satu 1966-07-08 Merc 1967-08-17> Ketu 1968-08-13 Venu 1969-01-09 Sun 1970-03-11 Moon 1970-07-17> Rahu 1971-02-15 Jupi 1973-10-28 Satu 1976-03-23 Merc 1979-01-28 Ketu 1981-08-16> Venu 1982-09-04 Sun 1985-09-03 Moon 1986-07-29 Mars 1988-01-28> Jupi 1989-02-14 Satu 1991-04-05 Merc 1993-10-16 Ketu 1996-01-22 Venu 1996-12-28> Sun 1999-08-29 Moon 2000-06-16 Mars 2001-10-16 Rahu 2002-09-22> Satu 2005-02-14 Merc 2008-02-18 Ketu 2010-10-28 Venu 2011-12-07 Sun 2015-02-06> Moon 2016-01-19 Mars 2017-08-19 Rahu 2018-09-28 Jupi 2021-08-04> Merc 2024-02-15 Ketu 2026-07-14 Venu 2027-07-11 Sun 2030-05-11 Moon 2031-03-17> Mars 2032-08-15 Rahu 2033-08-13 Jupi 2036-03-01 Satu 2038-06-07> Ketu 2041-02-14 Venu 2041-07-13 Sun 2042-09-12 Moon 2043-01-18 Mars 2043-08-19> Rahu 2044-01-15 Jupi 2045-02-02 Satu 2046-01-09 Merc 2047-02-18> Venu 2048-02-15 Sun 2051-06-16 Moon 2052-06-15 Mars 2054-02-14 Rahu 2055-04-16> Jupi 2058-04-16 Satu 2060-12-15 Merc 2064-02-15 Ketu 2066-12-15> > > - > Tanvir > > Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:05 PM> Re: Married Life> > > Hello,> From different sources, we get that 2nd and 4th houses rules "Family". On the other hand some say that they rule "relatives".> > I was very confused with them...> > But now, from my part I am sure that 4th house rules "Private Family", or "General Family" ie family with wife, kids, parents, siblings or in straight, the people you live in the same house with.> > And 2nd house shows "Relatives" ie the "Bigger family". When classics say that 2nd house rules family, they mean the bigger family circle of relatives.> > This is clear from my part since whenever I do any Sani remedy, there are some effects from my relatives. (Sani is in 2nd in my chart.)> > Always note down the things you are confused / not sure about... and when you look charts, always look from those views and try to understand which is correct...> > The TR Sat in 2nd house may be bad for marriage since 2nd house rules 2nd marriage. On the other hand it would be big mistake to overlook the dasha bhukti you were running that time. TR Sat would come to your 2nd house 3 times in life (May be) but would it always break marriage? Maha Dasa + Anter Dasa plays the biggest role while PD shows the timing and also TR shows the timing.> > Rahu is the disguised / cheater and with Rahu in 7th, you might discover that your husband did hide manythings from you and it took you years to discover his true nature. Watch for Rahu periods...> > If you have no problem you can send your chart in JHD format with the events then we can discuss.> > Best wishes,> Tanvir> > > > What can not happen, can never happen.> Which is mine, is forever mine.> > Tanvir Chowdhury> tanvir@s...> http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir> http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro> > > ----- Original Message ----- > Clara > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:05 PM> Re: Married Life> > > Hi,> I have learned that family life and domestic hapiness is ruled bij the 2nd house in jyotish, in western astrology it is ruled by the 4th house.> > The second house should be observed for family life, it surely affects marriage. > I will give example from my life.> I was married for 12 years without problems, untill transit Saturn entered my second house (empty) with Libra in it, its exaltation sign, causing exalted problems in domestic harmony and family life. My marriage did not survive those two and a half years and end up in divorce (indicated by Rahu in the 7th).> > > ----- Original Message ----- > Tanvir > > Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:14 PM> Re: Married Life> > > hello,> > this is a good initiative.> > i am not sure about the role of 4th house and lord about marriage. but yes it is the general happiness. how much sure are you about the 4th house's role in married life? this might add to my knowledge...> > another thing that 4th house and lord rules "family life" and "home environment". disturbs to 4th lord will disturb family life but not necessary problem in married life. the disturb might come as any form like even problem from kids, or parents, or any1 you live with in the home... and as one of the matters married life is a probable answer... not so?> > you are right, that in short, any affliction to the 7th house / lord / venus will disturb marital / romantic matters.> > also look for the 2nd house for second marriage etc. sani there might give 2nd marriage... :-(> [i have this]> > to know more about the spouse, see any planet situated in the 7th, or aspecting 7th. or planets joining 7th lord and venus etc. who is strong among them? etc etc. also see the 7th lord's own nature and his position...> > also see where is the 7th lord from his own house? like, 7th lord is in 3rd = 7th lord is 9th from own house. th is for teachers, religious. the wife might be involved in teaching or religous. this matches in my father's life. i also have the same.> > now if the 7th lord is wel placed and unafflicted then the wife will be virtuous since 9th house is the house of virtue.> > if the planet is exalted or own house then wife will make great prosper and will also help the hus since 9th is the house of prosperity.> > also 3rd house matters will come. well placed - good initiative in married life. ill placed, married life suffers for lack of initiatives. this i find true.> > again, if the 7th lord in 3rd is afflicted, esp by cruel 3rd lord, or rahu, or sani - then 3rd house ppl (siblings) will distrub marital life. even union between wife and sibling is possible.> > sani joining / aspecting ve will give separation from wife (being away). for aspect, sani has to be strong like it is exalted in my case - LOL ! sani in 7th might make a too much formal marriage by guardians, conservative marriage against ur wish, or a conservative wife, hard owrking or sick health wife. there may be age problems in the couple. this is what i see. always remember the planets own nature.> > etc etc.> > best wishes,> tanvir> > > > What can not happen, can never happen.> Which is mine, is forever mine.> > Tanvir Chowdhury> tanvir@s...> http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir> http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Learner > To: > Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:32 PM> Married Life> > > Hi,> > My knowledge in this area is limited.> > Marriage /Married Life can be inferred from :-> 1>. 7th House and 7th Lord> 2>. Venus > 3>. 4th House and 4th Lord> > > 1. 7th House and Lord Related :-> In general, if the 7th house is aspected or occupied by benefic planets (Jupiter, Venus) the marriage will be happy. If the 7th house is occupied by malefic planets (Mars, Saturn, Ketu, Rahu, Sun), there will be conflict and unhappiness.> > 2. Venus> Venus is the next indicator (Karaka) of marriage and spouse after the 7th house and its Lord. As with the 7th house and its lord, if Venus is strong and well aspected, the spouse and marriage will be strong. If Venus is badly placed or aspected, trouble is indicated for the spouse, and possibly also for the marriage.> > 3. 4th House and Lord> The fourth house is the indicator of, among other things, happiness in the home and marital harmony. If the fourth house is occupied and aspected by malefic planets, or if the 4th lord is badly placed, it will indicate a lack of harmony between the husband and wife, which may result in separation.> > > Now we need to know the role of aspects and special yogas etc etc.> > Some of the things to look for :-> 1. Venus should not be combined with enemy planet.> 2. 7th lord and house should not be badly placed.> 3. 4th lord and house should not be badly placed.> > I do not know how to find out more about the spouse's career(profession) and behaviuor (nature) and looks etc etc. > > Whatever I have written is very primitive and I will post one/two examples from which we can study on this basis and infer. But I request others to come forward anf give valuable input.> > Thanxs> Learner> SMS using the Messenger; Download latest version. > > ~! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > ~! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ > > Terms of Service. > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 from your chart its quiote obvious what you suffred and all this can be seen from d9 charts i assume u r a chrisitian to propergate the correct devata's for moon (moon=mind rules )you shud pray to Virgin mary.or in hindhu tenents Mata Gauri.this will give you almost instnat relief from your predictment. Dont undrstnd why you were asked to wear emrald on little finger.... W.SharmaClara <myst3949 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Horaku, You are right that what happens, always arises from what precedes. In fact the transit of Saturn in the first house gave the two most important and happy years of my life and in my marriage. I enjoyed life in those two years, which I cannot say about the rest of my life. But this was a total reverse, when Saturn changed houses. - shakuhoraku Friday, July 25, 2003 1:28 AM Re: Married Life In my opinion, Clara has trouble with her marriages because of the strength of the moksha karakas in the chart, and the nodal axis in the first and seventh houses. (Ketu in first, and Rahu in seventh) The ruler of the 12th, the Sun, is swakshetra in the twelfth, with Saturn. Saturn in the 12th is a moksha karaka in a moksha house. The individuality is highly developed because of the other planets in the first house besides Ketu. But the seventh has nothing in it but Rahu -- I read chaotic marriage partners, and unwanted pregnancy is par for this. The birth family is strong, because the ruler of the fourth, Jupiter, is swakshetra in Sag. in the fourth. The career is happening, because the ruler of the 10 is in the first. In my opinion, the destruction of the marriage when Saturn transited the second house was after the fact. To get to the second, Saturn first had to transit the first house containing the ascendant, Mercury (the chart ruler), Venus (the ruler of the second), and Ketu! There is often a time lag with Saturn's effects. Om Tryambakam YajamaheHoraku saiganesh_h <saiganesh_h > wrote: Dear All,I am a learner and i want to post one thing in this matter. The 4 th house plays a important role for the female. The fourth house or the placement of 4 lord in a female horoscope has to be seen to judge the marital bliss between her and the husband.That is all i know..about the case of clara...can anyone clarify why she is not able to achive marital harmonythankssaiganesh--- In , "Clara" <myst3949@h...> wrote:> Hello,> > OK, enclosed here is my chart. Also with two divorces.> > Met my first husband shortly before my 16th birthday at my job.> Marriage 21 april 1970> Two planned children in 1973 and 1974> One unplanned child born 5 april 1984, which ruined the marriage> Husband left december 1984> > New relation in 1987> unwanted pregnancy (again!)> Second marriage 9 oktober 1987> Fourth child born in 1988> Third child also ruined this marriage, (he is a very difficult child)> Second husband left 10 may 1995> > 19 march 2003 first husband died> > In 1995 after divorce I visited a pandit who adviced me for wearing gemstones and having yagya's done> I am wearing blue saphire, emerald and diamond (small)> and had done a 2 days yagya for Saturn as wel as for Jupiter. > > These remedies do not change the problems I am facing in the outer world, they are still there, remedies help heal inner wounds, they are a matter of spiritual growth> > kind regards,> > Clara> > > > > --> These calculations were made using "Jagannatha Hora Lite". It is a> free software from Sri Jagannath Vedic Centre. You can download it> from http://www.geocities.com/~astrowhiz or http://www.sjvc.net.> --> > Date of Birth: September 3, 1949> Time of Birth: 7:55:00 am> Time Zone of Birth: 1:00 East of GMT> Longitude of Birth: 5 E 17> Latitude of Birth: 52 N 42> Lunar month (maasa): Bhadrapada > Lunar day (tithi): Sukla Dwadasi> Tithi balance: 0.9318> Nakshatra balance: 0.7422> Sun-Moon Yoga: Soubhagya> Sun-Moon Karana: Bava> Vara (weekday): Saturday> > Sunrise = 5:52 am (Apparent rise - upper limb)> Ayanamsa = 23-09-10> Dasa year length chosen = 365.2425 days> > Planet Position Pada CharaK > > Ascdt 7 Vi 37 U.Pha. 4 - > Sun 17 Le 17 Poo.Pha. 2 BK> Moon 0 Cp 06 U.Shaa. 2 DK> Mars 4 Cn 22 Pushyami 1 GK> Mercury 13 Vi 46 Hastha 2 PiK> Jupiter ® 29 Sg 33 U.Shaa. 1 AK> Venus 23 Vi 17 Hastha 4 AmK> Saturn 16 Le 31 Poo.Pha. 1 MK> Rahu 25 Pi 17 Revathi 3 PK> Ketu 25 Vi 17 Chitra 1 - > BhavaLg 17 Vi 45 Hastha 3 - > HoraLg 18 Li 19 Swathi 4 - > GhatiLg 20 Cp 00 Sravanam 4 - > Dhooma 0 Cp 37 U.Shaa. 2 - > Vyati 29 Ge 22 Punarvasu 3 - > Pari 29 Sg 22 U.Shaa. 1 - > I.Chapa 0 Cn 37 Punarvasu 4 - > Upaketu 17 Cn 17 Aasresha 1 - > Kaala 26 Li 16 Visakha 2 - > Mrityu 4 Sg 30 Moola 2 - > ArthaPr 1 Cp 45 U.Shaa. 2 - > YamaGha 16 Le 22 Poo.Pha. 1 - > Mandi 0 Li 09 Chitra 3 - > Gulika 21 Vi 25 Hastha 4 - > > > +----------------------+> | | | | |> | | | | |> | Rah | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | |> | | | |> | | | Mar |> | | | |> | | | |> |-------------| R A S I |-------------|> | | | |> | Moo | | Sat |> | | | |> | GL | | Sun |> | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | | Asc Mer |> | | | Mnd | |> | JupR | | | BL Glk |> | | | HL | |> | | | | Ven Ket |> +----------------------+> > +----------------------+> | | | | |> | Asc | | | |> | | | Mer | BL |> | HL | | | |> | | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | Glk |> | | | |> | Rah | | Ven |> | | | |> | | | GL |> |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------|> | | | Mar |> | | | |> | Moo | | Sat |> | | | |> | | | Ket |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | | |> | | | | |> | JupR | | Mnd | Sun |> | | | | |> | | | | |> +----------------------+> > > Vimsottari Dasa:> > Sun 1949-09-03 Jupi 1950-03-05> Satu 1950-12-22 Merc 1951-12-04 Ketu 1952-10-10 Venu 1953-02-15> Moon 1954-02-15 Mars 1954-12-16 Rahu 1955-07-17 Jupi 1957-01-15 Satu 1958-05-17> Merc 1959-12-17 Ketu 1961-05-17 Venu 1961-12-16 Sun 1963-08-17> Mars 1964-02-15 Rahu 1964-07-13 Jupi 1965-08-01 Satu 1966-07-08 Merc 1967-08-17> Ketu 1968-08-13 Venu 1969-01-09 Sun 1970-03-11 Moon 1970-07-17> Rahu 1971-02-15 Jupi 1973-10-28 Satu 1976-03-23 Merc 1979-01-28 Ketu 1981-08-16> Venu 1982-09-04 Sun 1985-09-03 Moon 1986-07-29 Mars 1988-01-28> Jupi 1989-02-14 Satu 1991-04-05 Merc 1993-10-16 Ketu 1996-01-22 Venu 1996-12-28> Sun 1999-08-29 Moon 2000-06-16 Mars 2001-10-16 Rahu 2002-09-22> Satu 2005-02-14 Merc 2008-02-18 Ketu 2010-10-28 Venu 2011-12-07 Sun 2015-02-06> Moon 2016-01-19 Mars 2017-08-19 Rahu 2018-09-28 Jupi 2021-08-04> Merc 2024-02-15 Ketu 2026-07-14 Venu 2027-07-11 Sun 2030-05-11 Moon 2031-03-17> Mars 2032-08-15 Rahu 2033-08-13 Jupi 2036-03-01 Satu 2038-06-07> Ketu 2041-02-14 Venu 2041-07-13 Sun 2042-09-12 Moon 2043-01-18 Mars 2043-08-19> Rahu 2044-01-15 Jupi 2045-02-02 Satu 2046-01-09 Merc 2047-02-18> Venu 2048-02-15 Sun 2051-06-16 Moon 2052-06-15 Mars 2054-02-14 Rahu 2055-04-16> Jupi 2058-04-16 Satu 2060-12-15 Merc 2064-02-15 Ketu 2066-12-15> > > - > Tanvir > To: > Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:05 PM> Re: Married Life> > > Hello,> From different sources, we get that 2nd and 4th houses rules "Family". On the other hand some say that they rule "relatives".> > I was very confused with them...> > But now, from my part I am sure that 4th house rules "Private Family", or "General Family" ie family with wife, kids, parents, siblings or in straight, the people you live in the same house with.> > And 2nd house shows "Relatives" ie the "Bigger family". When classics say that 2nd house rules family, they mean the bigger family circle of relatives.> > This is clear from my part since whenever I do any Sani remedy, there are some effects from my relatives. (Sani is in 2nd in my chart.)> > Always note down the things you are confused / not sure about... and when you look charts, always look from those views and try to understand which is correct...> > The TR Sat in 2nd house may be bad for marriage since 2nd house rules 2nd marriage. On the other hand it would be big mistake to overlook the dasha bhukti you were running that time. TR Sat would come to your 2nd house 3 times in life (May be) but would it always break marriage? Maha Dasa + Anter Dasa plays the biggest role while PD shows the timing and also TR shows the timing.> > Rahu is the disguised / cheater and with Rahu in 7th, you might discover that your husband did hide manythings from you and it took you years to discover his true nature. Watch for Rahu periods...> > If you have no problem you can send your chart in JHD format with the events then we can discuss.> > Best wishes,> Tanvir> > > > What can not happen, can never happen.> Which is mine, is forever mine.> > Tanvir Chowdhury> tanvir@s...> http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir> http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro> > > - > Clara > To: > Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:05 PM> Re: Married Life> > > Hi,> I have learned that family life and domestic hapiness is ruled bij the 2nd house in jyotish, in western astrology it is ruled by the 4th house.> > The second house should be observed for family life, it surely affects marriage. > I will give example from my life.> I was married for 12 years without problems, untill transit Saturn entered my second house (empty) with Libra in it, its exaltation sign, causing exalted problems in domestic harmony and family life. My marriage did not survive those two and a half years and end up in divorce (indicated by Rahu in the 7th).> > > - > Tanvir > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:14 PM> Re: Married Life> > > hello,> > this is a good initiative.> > i am not sure about the role of 4th house and lord about marriage. but yes it is the general happiness. how much sure are you about the 4th house's role in married life? this might add to my knowledge...> > another thing that 4th house and lord rules "family life" and "home environment". disturbs to 4th lord will disturb family life but not necessary problem in married life. the disturb might come as any form like even problem from kids, or parents, or any1 you live with in the home... and as one of the matters married life is a probable answer... not so?> > you are right, that in short, any affliction to the 7th house / lord / venus will disturb marital / romantic matters.> > also look for the 2nd house for second marriage etc. sani there might give 2nd marriage... :-(> [i have this]> > to know more about the spouse, see any planet situated in the 7th, or aspecting 7th. or planets joining 7th lord and venus etc. who is strong among them? etc etc. also see the 7th lord's own nature and his position...> > also see where is the 7th lord from his own house? like, 7th lord is in 3rd = 7th lord is 9th from own house. th is for teachers, religious. the wife might be involved in teaching or religous. this matches in my father's life. i also have the same.> > now if the 7th lord is wel placed and unafflicted then the wife will be virtuous since 9th house is the house of virtue.> > if the planet is exalted or own house then wife will make great prosper and will also help the hus since 9th is the house of prosperity.> > also 3rd house matters will come. well placed - good initiative in married life. ill placed, married life suffers for lack of initiatives. this i find true.> > again, if the 7th lord in 3rd is afflicted, esp by cruel 3rd lord, or rahu, or sani - then 3rd house ppl (siblings) will distrub marital life. even union between wife and sibling is possible.> > sani joining / aspecting ve will give separation from wife (being away). for aspect, sani has to be strong like it is exalted in my case - LOL ! sani in 7th might make a too much formal marriage by guardians, conservative marriage against ur wish, or a conservative wife, hard owrking or sick health wife. there may be age problems in the couple. this is what i see. always remember the planets own nature.> > etc etc.> > best wishes,> tanvir> > > > What can not happen, can never happen.> Which is mine, is forever mine.> > Tanvir Chowdhury> tanvir@s...> http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir> http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Learner > To: > Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:32 PM> Married Life> > > Hi,> > My knowledge in this area is limited.> > Marriage /Married Life can be inferred from :-> 1>. 7th House and 7th Lord> 2>. Venus > 3>. 4th House and 4th Lord> > > 1. 7th House and Lord Related :-> In general, if the 7th house is aspected or occupied by benefic planets (Jupiter, Venus) the marriage will be happy. If the 7th house is occupied by malefic planets (Mars, Saturn, Ketu, Rahu, Sun), there will be conflict and unhappiness.> > 2. Venus> Venus is the next indicator (Karaka) of marriage and spouse after the 7th house and its Lord. As with the 7th house and its lord, if Venus is strong and well aspected, the spouse and marriage will be strong. If Venus is badly placed or aspected, trouble is indicated for the spouse, and possibly also for the marriage.> > 3. 4th House and Lord> The fourth house is the indicator of, among other things, happiness in the home and marital harmony. If the fourth house is occupied and aspected by malefic planets, or if the 4th lord is badly placed, it will indicate a lack of harmony between the husband and wife, which may result in separation.> > > Now we need to know the role of aspects and special yogas etc etc.> > Some of the things to look for :-> 1. Venus should not be combined with enemy planet.> 2. 7th lord and house should not be badly placed.> 3. 4th lord and house should not be badly placed.> > I do not know how to find out more about the spouse's career(profession) and behaviuor (nature) and looks etc etc. > > Whatever I have written is very primitive and I will post one/two examples from which we can study on this basis and infer. But I request others to come forward anf give valuable input.> > Thanxs> Learner> SMS using the Messenger; Download latest version. > > ~! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > ~! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Dear Clara, This is really interesting work pattern of Saturn. There is one case in my knowledge also where marriage was predicted for a person when Saturn was in Taurus. It happens also and they seperated as soon as Saturn leave the sign. Their relation live for 1 year only. I'm really amazed. Tushar --- Clara <myst3949 wrote: > Horaku, > > You are right that what happens, always arises from > what precedes. > > In fact the transit of Saturn in the first house > gave the two most important and happy years of my > life and in my marriage. I enjoyed life in those two > years, which I cannot say about the rest of my life. > > But this was a total reverse, when Saturn changed > houses. > - > shakuhoraku > > Friday, July 25, 2003 1:28 AM > Re: Married Life > > > In my opinion, Clara has trouble with her > marriages because of the strength of the moksha > karakas in the chart, and the nodal axis in the > first and seventh houses. (Ketu in first, and Rahu > in seventh) The ruler of the 12th, the Sun, is > swakshetra in the twelfth, with Saturn. Saturn in > the 12th is a moksha karaka in a moksha house. > > The individuality is highly developed because of > the other planets in the first house besides Ketu. > But the seventh has nothing in it but Rahu -- I read > chaotic marriage partners, and unwanted pregnancy is > par for this. The birth family is strong, because > the ruler of the fourth, Jupiter, is swakshetra in > Sag. in the fourth. The career is happening, > because the ruler of the 10 is in the first. > > In my opinion, the destruction of the marriage > when Saturn transited the second house was after the > fact. To get to the second, Saturn first had to > transit the first house containing the ascendant, > Mercury (the chart ruler), Venus (the ruler of the > second), and Ketu! There is often a time lag with > Saturn's effects. > > > > > Om Tryambakam Yajamahe > Horaku > > saiganesh_h <saiganesh_h wrote: > Dear All, > > I am a learner and i want to post one thing in > this matter. The 4 th > house plays a important role for the female. The > fourth house or the > placement of 4 lord in a female horoscope has to > be seen to judge the > marital bliss between her and the husband.That > is all i know..about > the case of clara...can anyone clarify why she > is not able to achive > marital harmony > > thanks > > saiganesh > > > , "Clara" > <myst3949@h...> > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > OK, enclosed here is my chart. Also with two > divorces. > > > > Met my first husband shortly before my 16th > birthday at my job. > > Marriage 21 april 1970 > > Two planned children in 1973 and 1974 > > One unplanned child born 5 april 1984, which > ruined the marriage > > Husband left december 1984 > > > > New relation in 1987 > > unwanted pregnancy (again!) > > Second marriage 9 oktober 1987 > > Fourth child born in 1988 > > Third child also ruined this marriage, (he is > a very difficult > child) > > Second husband left 10 may 1995 > > > > 19 march 2003 first husband died > > > > In 1995 after divorce I visited a pandit who > adviced me for wearing > gemstones and having yagya's done > > I am wearing blue saphire, emerald and diamond > (small) > > and had done a 2 days yagya for Saturn as wel > as for Jupiter. > > > > These remedies do not change the problems I am > facing in the outer > world, they are still there, remedies help heal > inner wounds, they > are a matter of spiritual growth > > > > kind regards, > > > > Clara > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > These calculations were made using > "Jagannatha Hora Lite". It is a > > free software from Sri Jagannath Vedic > Centre. You can download it > > from http://www.geocities.com/~astrowhiz or > http://www.sjvc.net. > > > -- > > > > Date of Birth: September 3, 1949 > > Time of Birth: 7:55:00 am > > Time Zone of Birth: 1:00 East of GMT > > Longitude of Birth: 5 E 17 > > Latitude of Birth: 52 N 42 > > Lunar month (maasa): Bhadrapada > > Lunar day (tithi): Sukla Dwadasi > > Tithi balance: 0.9318 > > Nakshatra balance: 0.7422 > > Sun-Moon Yoga: Soubhagya > > Sun-Moon Karana: Bava > > Vara (weekday): Saturday > > > > Sunrise = 5:52 am (Apparent rise - upper limb) > > Ayanamsa = 23-09-10 > > Dasa year length chosen = 365.2425 days > > > > Planet Position Pada CharaK > > > > Ascdt 7 Vi 37 U.Pha. 4 - > > Sun 17 Le 17 Poo.Pha. 2 BK > > Moon 0 Cp 06 U.Shaa. 2 DK > > Mars 4 Cn 22 Pushyami 1 GK > > Mercury 13 Vi 46 Hastha 2 PiK > > Jupiter ® 29 Sg 33 U.Shaa. 1 AK > > Venus 23 Vi 17 Hastha 4 AmK > > Saturn 16 Le 31 Poo.Pha. 1 MK > > Rahu 25 Pi 17 Revathi 3 PK > > Ketu 25 Vi 17 Chitra 1 - > > BhavaLg 17 Vi 45 Hastha 3 - > > HoraLg 18 Li 19 Swathi 4 - > > GhatiLg 20 Cp 00 Sravanam 4 - > > Dhooma 0 Cp 37 U.Shaa. 2 - > > Vyati 29 Ge 22 Punarvasu 3 - > > Pari 29 Sg 22 U.Shaa. 1 - > > I.Chapa 0 Cn 37 Punarvasu 4 - > > Upaketu 17 Cn 17 Aasresha 1 - > > Kaala 26 Li 16 Visakha 2 - > > Mrityu 4 Sg 30 Moola 2 - > > ArthaPr 1 Cp 45 U.Shaa. 2 - > > YamaGha 16 Le 22 Poo.Pha. 1 - > > Mandi 0 Li 09 Chitra 3 - > > Gulika 21 Vi 25 Hastha 4 - > > > > > > > +----------------------+ > > | | | | > | > > | | | | > | > > | Rah | | | > | > > | | | | > | > > | | | | > | > > > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > > | | | > | > > | | | > | > > | | | > Mar | > > | | | > | > > | | | > | > > |-------------| R A S I > |-------------| > > | | | > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 W.Sharma, I cannot read D9 chart, is that navamsa? It is never clear to me what my navamsa tells me about my marriage, as is it a marriage chart. Can you explain to me what you read in it? regards, Clara - Washdev Sharma Friday, July 25, 2003 11:07 AM Re: Married Life Dear Clara, from your chart its quiote obvious what you suffred and all this can be seen from d9 charts i assume u r a chrisitian to propergate the correct devata's for moon (moon=mind rules )you shud pray to Virgin mary.or in hindhu tenents Mata Gauri.this will give you almost instnat relief from your predictment. Dont undrstnd why you were asked to wear emrald on little finger.... W.SharmaClara <myst3949 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Horaku, You are right that what happens, always arises from what precedes. In fact the transit of Saturn in the first house gave the two most important and happy years of my life and in my marriage. I enjoyed life in those two years, which I cannot say about the rest of my life. But this was a total reverse, when Saturn changed houses. - shakuhoraku Friday, July 25, 2003 1:28 AM Re: Married Life In my opinion, Clara has trouble with her marriages because of the strength of the moksha karakas in the chart, and the nodal axis in the first and seventh houses. (Ketu in first, and Rahu in seventh) The ruler of the 12th, the Sun, is swakshetra in the twelfth, with Saturn. Saturn in the 12th is a moksha karaka in a moksha house. The individuality is highly developed because of the other planets in the first house besides Ketu. But the seventh has nothing in it but Rahu -- I read chaotic marriage partners, and unwanted pregnancy is par for this. The birth family is strong, because the ruler of the fourth, Jupiter, is swakshetra in Sag. in the fourth. The career is happening, because the ruler of the 10 is in the first. In my opinion, the destruction of the marriage when Saturn transited the second house was after the fact. To get to the second, Saturn first had to transit the first house containing the ascendant, Mercury (the chart ruler), Venus (the ruler of the second), and Ketu! There is often a time lag with Saturn's effects. Om Tryambakam YajamaheHoraku saiganesh_h <saiganesh_h > wrote: Dear All,I am a learner and i want to post one thing in this matter. The 4 th house plays a important role for the female. The fourth house or the placement of 4 lord in a female horoscope has to be seen to judge the marital bliss between her and the husband.That is all i know..about the case of clara...can anyone clarify why she is not able to achive marital harmonythankssaiganesh--- In , "Clara" <myst3949@h...> wrote:> Hello,> > OK, enclosed here is my chart. Also with two divorces.> > Met my first husband shortly before my 16th birthday at my job.> Marriage 21 april 1970> Two planned children in 1973 and 1974> One unplanned child born 5 april 1984, which ruined the marriage> Husband left december 1984> > New relation in 1987> unwanted pregnancy (again!)> Second marriage 9 oktober 1987> Fourth child born in 1988> Third child also ruined this marriage, (he is a very difficult child)> Second husband left 10 may 1995> > 19 march 2003 first husband died> > In 1995 after divorce I visited a pandit who adviced me for wearing gemstones and having yagya's done> I am wearing blue saphire, emerald and diamond (small)> and had done a 2 days yagya for Saturn as wel as for Jupiter. > > These remedies do not change the problems I am facing in the outer world, they are still there, remedies help heal inner wounds, they are a matter of spiritual growth> > kind regards,> > Clara> > > > > --> These calculations were made using "Jagannatha Hora Lite". It is a> free software from Sri Jagannath Vedic Centre. You can download it> from http://www.geocities.com/~astrowhiz or http://www.sjvc.net.> --> > Date of Birth: September 3, 1949> Time of Birth: 7:55:00 am> Time Zone of Birth: 1:00 East of GMT> Longitude of Birth: 5 E 17> Latitude of Birth: 52 N 42> Lunar month (maasa): Bhadrapada > Lunar day (tithi): Sukla Dwadasi> Tithi balance: 0.9318> Nakshatra balance: 0.7422> Sun-Moon Yoga: Soubhagya> Sun-Moon Karana: Bava> Vara (weekday): Saturday> > Sunrise = 5:52 am (Apparent rise - upper limb)> Ayanamsa = 23-09-10> Dasa year length chosen = 365.2425 days> > Planet Position Pada CharaK > > Ascdt 7 Vi 37 U.Pha. 4 - > Sun 17 Le 17 Poo.Pha. 2 BK> Moon 0 Cp 06 U.Shaa. 2 DK> Mars 4 Cn 22 Pushyami 1 GK> Mercury 13 Vi 46 Hastha 2 PiK> Jupiter ® 29 Sg 33 U.Shaa. 1 AK> Venus 23 Vi 17 Hastha 4 AmK> Saturn 16 Le 31 Poo.Pha. 1 MK> Rahu 25 Pi 17 Revathi 3 PK> Ketu 25 Vi 17 Chitra 1 - > BhavaLg 17 Vi 45 Hastha 3 - > HoraLg 18 Li 19 Swathi 4 - > GhatiLg 20 Cp 00 Sravanam 4 - > Dhooma 0 Cp 37 U.Shaa. 2 - > Vyati 29 Ge 22 Punarvasu 3 - > Pari 29 Sg 22 U.Shaa. 1 - > I.Chapa 0 Cn 37 Punarvasu 4 - > Upaketu 17 Cn 17 Aasresha 1 - > Kaala 26 Li 16 Visakha 2 - > Mrityu 4 Sg 30 Moola 2 - > ArthaPr 1 Cp 45 U.Shaa. 2 - > YamaGha 16 Le 22 Poo.Pha. 1 - > Mandi 0 Li 09 Chitra 3 - > Gulika 21 Vi 25 Hastha 4 - > > > +----------------------+> | | | | |> | | | | |> | Rah | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | |> | | | |> | | | Mar |> | | | |> | | | |> |-------------| R A S I |-------------|> | | | |> | Moo | | Sat |> | | | |> | GL | | Sun |> | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | | Asc Mer |> | | | Mnd | |> | JupR | | | BL Glk |> | | | HL | |> | | | | Ven Ket |> +----------------------+> > +----------------------+> | | | | |> | Asc | | | |> | | | Mer | BL |> | HL | | | |> | | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | Glk |> | | | |> | Rah | | Ven |> | | | |> | | | GL |> |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------|> | | | Mar |> | | | |> | Moo | | Sat |> | | | |> | | | Ket |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | | |> | | | | |> | JupR | | Mnd | Sun |> | | | | |> | | | | |> +----------------------+> > > Vimsottari Dasa:> > Sun 1949-09-03 Jupi 1950-03-05> Satu 1950-12-22 Merc 1951-12-04 Ketu 1952-10-10 Venu 1953-02-15> Moon 1954-02-15 Mars 1954-12-16 Rahu 1955-07-17 Jupi 1957-01-15 Satu 1958-05-17> Merc 1959-12-17 Ketu 1961-05-17 Venu 1961-12-16 Sun 1963-08-17> Mars 1964-02-15 Rahu 1964-07-13 Jupi 1965-08-01 Satu 1966-07-08 Merc 1967-08-17> Ketu 1968-08-13 Venu 1969-01-09 Sun 1970-03-11 Moon 1970-07-17> Rahu 1971-02-15 Jupi 1973-10-28 Satu 1976-03-23 Merc 1979-01-28 Ketu 1981-08-16> Venu 1982-09-04 Sun 1985-09-03 Moon 1986-07-29 Mars 1988-01-28> Jupi 1989-02-14 Satu 1991-04-05 Merc 1993-10-16 Ketu 1996-01-22 Venu 1996-12-28> Sun 1999-08-29 Moon 2000-06-16 Mars 2001-10-16 Rahu 2002-09-22> Satu 2005-02-14 Merc 2008-02-18 Ketu 2010-10-28 Venu 2011-12-07 Sun 2015-02-06> Moon 2016-01-19 Mars 2017-08-19 Rahu 2018-09-28 Jupi 2021-08-04> Merc 2024-02-15 Ketu 2026-07-14 Venu 2027-07-11 Sun 2030-05-11 Moon 2031-03-17> Mars 2032-08-15 Rahu 2033-08-13 Jupi 2036-03-01 Satu 2038-06-07> Ketu 2041-02-14 Venu 2041-07-13 Sun 2042-09-12 Moon 2043-01-18 Mars 2043-08-19> Rahu 2044-01-15 Jupi 2045-02-02 Satu 2046-01-09 Merc 2047-02-18> Venu 2048-02-15 Sun 2051-06-16 Moon 2052-06-15 Mars 2054-02-14 Rahu 2055-04-16> Jupi 2058-04-16 Satu 2060-12-15 Merc 2064-02-15 Ketu 2066-12-15> > > - > Tanvir > > Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:05 PM> Re: Married Life> > > Hello,> From different sources, we get that 2nd and 4th houses rules "Family". On the other hand some say that they rule "relatives".> > I was very confused with them...> > But now, from my part I am sure that 4th house rules "Private Family", or "General Family" ie family with wife, kids, parents, siblings or in straight, the people you live in the same house with.> > And 2nd house shows "Relatives" ie the "Bigger family". When classics say that 2nd house rules family, they mean the bigger family circle of relatives.> > This is clear from my part since whenever I do any Sani remedy, there are some effects from my relatives. (Sani is in 2nd in my chart.)> > Always note down the things you are confused / not sure about... and when you look charts, always look from those views and try to understand which is correct...> > The TR Sat in 2nd house may be bad for marriage since 2nd house rules 2nd marriage. On the other hand it would be big mistake to overlook the dasha bhukti you were running that time. TR Sat would come to your 2nd house 3 times in life (May be) but would it always break marriage? Maha Dasa + Anter Dasa plays the biggest role while PD shows the timing and also TR shows the timing.> > Rahu is the disguised / cheater and with Rahu in 7th, you might discover that your husband did hide manythings from you and it took you years to discover his true nature. Watch for Rahu periods...> > If you have no problem you can send your chart in JHD format with the events then we can discuss.> > Best wishes,> Tanvir> > > > What can not happen, can never happen.> Which is mine, is forever mine.> > Tanvir Chowdhury> tanvir@s...> http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir> http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro> > > ----- Original Message ----- > Clara > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:05 PM> Re: Married Life> > > Hi,> I have learned that family life and domestic hapiness is ruled bij the 2nd house in jyotish, in western astrology it is ruled by the 4th house.> > The second house should be observed for family life, it surely affects marriage. > I will give example from my life.> I was married for 12 years without problems, untill transit Saturn entered my second house (empty) with Libra in it, its exaltation sign, causing exalted problems in domestic harmony and family life. My marriage did not survive those two and a half years and end up in divorce (indicated by Rahu in the 7th).> > > ----- Original Message ----- > Tanvir > > Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:14 PM> Re: Married Life> > > hello,> > this is a good initiative.> > i am not sure about the role of 4th house and lord about marriage. but yes it is the general happiness. how much sure are you about the 4th house's role in married life? this might add to my knowledge...> > another thing that 4th house and lord rules "family life" and "home environment". disturbs to 4th lord will disturb family life but not necessary problem in married life. the disturb might come as any form like even problem from kids, or parents, or any1 you live with in the home... and as one of the matters married life is a probable answer... not so?> > you are right, that in short, any affliction to the 7th house / lord / venus will disturb marital / romantic matters.> > also look for the 2nd house for second marriage etc. sani there might give 2nd marriage... :-(> [i have this]> > to know more about the spouse, see any planet situated in the 7th, or aspecting 7th. or planets joining 7th lord and venus etc. who is strong among them? etc etc. also see the 7th lord's own nature and his position...> > also see where is the 7th lord from his own house? like, 7th lord is in 3rd = 7th lord is 9th from own house. th is for teachers, religious. the wife might be involved in teaching or religous. this matches in my father's life. i also have the same.> > now if the 7th lord is wel placed and unafflicted then the wife will be virtuous since 9th house is the house of virtue.> > if the planet is exalted or own house then wife will make great prosper and will also help the hus since 9th is the house of prosperity.> > also 3rd house matters will come. well placed - good initiative in married life. ill placed, married life suffers for lack of initiatives. this i find true.> > again, if the 7th lord in 3rd is afflicted, esp by cruel 3rd lord, or rahu, or sani - then 3rd house ppl (siblings) will distrub marital life. even union between wife and sibling is possible.> > sani joining / aspecting ve will give separation from wife (being away). for aspect, sani has to be strong like it is exalted in my case - LOL ! sani in 7th might make a too much formal marriage by guardians, conservative marriage against ur wish, or a conservative wife, hard owrking or sick health wife. there may be age problems in the couple. this is what i see. always remember the planets own nature.> > etc etc.> > best wishes,> tanvir> > > > What can not happen, can never happen.> Which is mine, is forever mine.> > Tanvir Chowdhury> tanvir@s...> http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir> http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Learner > To: > Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:32 PM> Married Life> > > Hi,> > My knowledge in this area is limited.> > Marriage /Married Life can be inferred from :-> 1>. 7th House and 7th Lord> 2>. Venus > 3>. 4th House and 4th Lord> > > 1. 7th House and Lord Related :-> In general, if the 7th house is aspected or occupied by benefic planets (Jupiter, Venus) the marriage will be happy. If the 7th house is occupied by malefic planets (Mars, Saturn, Ketu, Rahu, Sun), there will be conflict and unhappiness.> > 2. Venus> Venus is the next indicator (Karaka) of marriage and spouse after the 7th house and its Lord. As with the 7th house and its lord, if Venus is strong and well aspected, the spouse and marriage will be strong. If Venus is badly placed or aspected, trouble is indicated for the spouse, and possibly also for the marriage.> > 3. 4th House and Lord> The fourth house is the indicator of, among other things, happiness in the home and marital harmony. If the fourth house is occupied and aspected by malefic planets, or if the 4th lord is badly placed, it will indicate a lack of harmony between the husband and wife, which may result in separation.> > > Now we need to know the role of aspects and special yogas etc etc.> > Some of the things to look for :-> 1. Venus should not be combined with enemy planet.> 2. 7th lord and house should not be badly placed.> 3. 4th lord and house should not be badly placed.> > I do not know how to find out more about the spouse's career(profession) and behaviuor (nature) and looks etc etc. > > Whatever I have written is very primitive and I will post one/two examples from which we can study on this basis and infer. But I request others to come forward anf give valuable input.> > Thanxs> Learner> SMS using the Messenger; Download latest version. > > ~! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > ~! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ > > Terms of Service. > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 || Salam || First of all, difficulties in your married life and more than one marriage is not anything surprising since your 7th house has Rahu (This again means first house has Ketu, twin problems) and First house has total 3 planets who all aspect the 7th house. Including a fallen Venus (Natural karaka of love and marriage) who gets Neecha Bhanga but even then there would be trouble regarding being in fall. 3 planets in first house and Rahu in 7th very clearly tells the problems. If we look it from another side then we find that Venus is again afflicted by Rahu and Ketu. On the other hand your 7th lord Jupiter is troubled for being on the 29th degree of the sign. Again, it is retro and your atmakaraka, so it will teach you important lessons in life. Jupiter being 4th and 7th lord, the lessons wil be related to family life and marriage, spouse etc. All Rahu, Ketu etc. also influence this Jupiter by sign aspect. Can you see something? You have mentioned that both the marriages were ruined by your child. Now tell me who rules the child in natural significations? Jupiter!!! Now this should be more clear. Most clear indication, the child ruined your married lives were born in your Jupiter PD !!! So now see the things clearly. And with due repstect to all, I do not know what is the reason of prescribing blue sapphire here? Saturn is your 6th lord which strictly opposes married life. No wonder a strong 6th lord would oppose marital harmony esp. if anyhoe it influience 7H / 7L / Venus etc... so why strengthening it? Again, you should also be very careful wearing an emerald. Remember Mercury is an neuter planet, his influence will generally make unhappiness from children and spouse. Virgos should be careful about romance and children while wearing emerald, though for other matters it would do good. And in your chart Mercury is enough strong who aspects the 7th house and joins Venus, the planet of love and marriage. Q. Do you have / ever had any debt problem? Unwanted pregnancy can be indicated by Moon in 5th house. Moon is your 11th lord (desire and wish) and she being veeeeeery weak and troubled in 5th can very clearly indicated unwanted pregnancy. (Pregnancy against of desire / wish.) Notive that your first marriage broke in Ve AD (fallen) and 2nd marriage broke in Merc AD (Neuter one influencing 7L, 7H and Ve.) The PDs were Sat (6L) and Ra/Ju respectively... So if it was me I would leave the emerald and sapphire. (Leaving emerald would stop giving good on health and career but for marriage it's extremely important.) I would only wear the diamond. I might be asking you some questions later (about the exact dates etc. to know the PDs) if it is okay for you. May be I'd ask in private mail so that you feel more comfortable in answering. Best wishes, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Clara Thursday, July 24, 2003 5:32 PM Re: Married Life Hello, OK, enclosed here is my chart. Also with two divorces. Met my first husband shortly before my 16th birthday at my job. Marriage 21 april 1970 Two planned children in 1973 and 1974 One unplanned child born 5 april 1984, which ruined the marriage Husband left december 1984 New relation in 1987 unwanted pregnancy (again!) Second marriage 9 oktober 1987 Fourth child born in 1988 Third child also ruined this marriage, (he is a very difficult child) Second husband left 10 may 1995 19 march 2003 first husband died In 1995 after divorce I visited a pandit who adviced me for wearing gemstones and having yagya's done I am wearing blue saphire, emerald and diamond (small) and had done a 2 days yagya for Saturn as wel as for Jupiter. These remedies do not change the problems I am facing in the outer world, they are still there, remedies help heal inner wounds, they are a matter of spiritual growth kind regards, Clara -- These calculations were made using "Jagannatha Hora Lite". It is a free software from Sri Jagannath Vedic Centre. You can download it from http://www.geocities.com/~astrowhiz or http://www.sjvc.net.-- Date of Birth: September 3, 1949Time of Birth: 7:55:00 amTime Zone of Birth: 1:00 East of GMTLongitude of Birth: 5 E 17Latitude of Birth: 52 N 42Lunar month (maasa): Bhadrapada Lunar day (tithi): Sukla DwadasiTithi balance: 0.9318Nakshatra balance: 0.7422Sun-Moon Yoga: SoubhagyaSun-Moon Karana: BavaVara (weekday): Saturday Sunrise = 5:52 am (Apparent rise - upper limb)Ayanamsa = 23-09-10Dasa year length chosen = 365.2425 days Planet Position Pada CharaK Ascdt 7 Vi 37 U.Pha. 4 - Sun 17 Le 17 Poo.Pha. 2 BKMoon 0 Cp 06 U.Shaa. 2 DKMars 4 Cn 22 Pushyami 1 GKMercury 13 Vi 46 Hastha 2 PiKJupiter ® 29 Sg 33 U.Shaa. 1 AKVenus 23 Vi 17 Hastha 4 AmKSaturn 16 Le 31 Poo.Pha. 1 MKRahu 25 Pi 17 Revathi 3 PKKetu 25 Vi 17 Chitra 1 - BhavaLg 17 Vi 45 Hastha 3 - HoraLg 18 Li 19 Swathi 4 - GhatiLg 20 Cp 00 Sravanam 4 - Dhooma 0 Cp 37 U.Shaa. 2 - Vyati 29 Ge 22 Punarvasu 3 - Pari 29 Sg 22 U.Shaa. 1 - I.Chapa 0 Cn 37 Punarvasu 4 - Upaketu 17 Cn 17 Aasresha 1 - Kaala 26 Li 16 Visakha 2 - Mrityu 4 Sg 30 Moola 2 - ArthaPr 1 Cp 45 U.Shaa. 2 - YamaGha 16 Le 22 Poo.Pha. 1 - Mandi 0 Li 09 Chitra 3 - Gulika 21 Vi 25 Hastha 4 - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 It will depend on some issues - Some charts which are really bad for marriage, will give unhappiness through out the whole life. MD plays a real important role here. MDs of 6L and other malefics afflicting married life would be always bad. It creates a boundary of unhappiness where the good ADs can only give some happiness. Whereas, if there is a very good MD running, a worst AD can not totally break the marriage. ADs are under MDs. Actually to my mind it depends on the MD mostly. In general, MDs greatly influence the life, it sets the pattern of life. Still, there are matters for only one marriage break etc. They are pretty advanced, like 2nd from Upa pada being afflicted etc. But for an intermediate student the MD study would tell most. You can surely post the datas you have (With details). However I can not promiss when I will be able to look at them. Other learned members might come forward :-) Practicing with practical charts is the best way to understand these what I learnt from my little experience. Best wishes, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Tushar Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:18 AM Re: Married Life Dear Learner and members,It's really very informative mail about marriage andrelated matters.I always wonder on one point. Many time we have seenthat some people suffers like hell in first marriageand in second time their marriage life becomes likeheaven. Some time suffering continue in 2nd and inspecial cases 3rd time also.I could not get anyexplaination of such situation. Being more clear suppose Mars has damaged one'smarried life being in 7th. (Here let's assume Mars isthe only reason) then it is going to be stay there forentire life then why it does not affect 2nd time.I have 3 case of such type in my circle and out of 3 Ihave birth details of one case. If anybody want tostudy further then I will provide birth details anddetails of what was happen in his life keeping hisprivacy.regards,Tushar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ Dear Clara, D-9 is short form or an abbreviation for Navamasa. So D-9 is Navamasa. Kind regards, Neeraj Gupta --- Clara <myst3949 wrote: > W.Sharma, > > I cannot read D9 chart, is that navamsa? > It is never clear to me what my navamsa tells me > about my marriage, as is it a marriage chart. > Can you explain to me what you read in it? > > regards, Clara > > - > Washdev Sharma > > Friday, July 25, 2003 11:07 AM > Re: Married Life > > > Dear Clara, > from your chart its quiote obvious what you > suffred and all this can be seen from d9 charts i > assume u r a chrisitian to propergate the correct > devata's for moon (moon=mind rules )you shud pray to > Virgin mary.or in hindhu tenents Mata Gauri.this > will give you almost instnat relief from your > predictment. > Dont undrstnd why you were asked to wear emrald on > little finger.... > W.Sharma > > Clara <myst3949 wrote: > Horaku, > > You are right that what happens, always arises > from what precedes. > > In fact the transit of Saturn in the first house > gave the two most important and happy years of my > life and in my marriage. I enjoyed life in those two > years, which I cannot say about the rest of my life. > > But this was a total reverse, when Saturn > changed houses. > - > shakuhoraku > > Friday, July 25, 2003 1:28 AM > Re: Married Life > > > In my opinion, Clara has trouble with her > marriages because of the strength of the moksha > karakas in the chart, and the nodal axis in the > first and seventh houses. (Ketu in first, and Rahu > in seventh) The ruler of the 12th, the Sun, is > swakshetra in the twelfth, with Saturn. Saturn in > the 12th is a moksha karaka in a moksha house. > > The individuality is highly developed because > of the other planets in the first house besides > Ketu. But the seventh has nothing in it but Rahu -- > I read chaotic marriage partners, and unwanted > pregnancy is par for this. The birth family is > strong, because the ruler of the fourth, Jupiter, is > swakshetra in Sag. in the fourth. The career is > happening, because the ruler of the 10 is in the > first. > > In my opinion, the destruction of the marriage > when Saturn transited the second house was after the > fact. To get to the second, Saturn first had to > transit the first house containing the ascendant, > Mercury (the chart ruler), Venus (the ruler of the > second), and Ketu! There is often a time lag with > Saturn's effects. > > > > > Om Tryambakam Yajamahe > Horaku > > saiganesh_h <saiganesh_h wrote: > Dear All, > > I am a learner and i want to post one thing > in this matter. The 4 th > house plays a important role for the female. > The fourth house or the > placement of 4 lord in a female horoscope > has to be seen to judge the > marital bliss between her and the > husband.That is all i know..about > the case of clara...can anyone clarify why > she is not able to achive > marital harmony > > thanks > > saiganesh > > > , > "Clara" <myst3949@h...> > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > OK, enclosed here is my chart. Also with > two divorces. > > > > Met my first husband shortly before my > 16th birthday at my job. > > Marriage 21 april 1970 > > Two planned children in 1973 and 1974 > > One unplanned child born 5 april 1984, > which ruined the marriage > > Husband left december 1984 > > > > New relation in 1987 > > unwanted pregnancy (again!) > > Second marriage 9 oktober 1987 > > Fourth child born in 1988 > > Third child also ruined this marriage, (he > is a very difficult > child) > > Second husband left 10 may 1995 > > > > 19 march 2003 first husband died > > > > In 1995 after divorce I visited a pandit > who adviced me for wearing > gemstones and having yagya's done > > I am wearing blue saphire, emerald and > diamond (small) > > and had done a 2 days yagya for Saturn as > wel as for Jupiter. > > > > These remedies do not change the problems > I am facing in the outer > world, they are still there, remedies help > heal inner wounds, they > are a matter of spiritual growth > > > > kind regards, > > > > Clara > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > These calculations were made using > "Jagannatha Hora Lite". It is a > > free software from Sri Jagannath Vedic > Centre. You can download it > > from http://www.geocities.com/~astrowhiz > or http://www.sjvc.net. > > > -- > > > > Date of Birth: September 3, 1949 > > Time of Birth: 7:55:00 am > > Time Zone of Birth: 1:00 East of GMT > > Longitude of Birth: 5 E 17 > > Latitude of Birth: 52 N 42 > > Lunar month (maasa): Bhadrapada > > Lunar day (tithi): Sukla Dwadasi > > Tithi balance: 0.9318 > > Nakshatra balance: 0.7422 > > Sun-Moon Yoga: Soubhagya > > Sun-Moon Karana: Bava > > Vara (weekday): Saturday > > > > Sunrise = 5:52 am (Apparent rise - upper > limb) > > Ayanamsa = 23-09-10 > > Dasa year length chosen = 365.2425 days > > > > Planet Position Pada CharaK > > > > Ascdt 7 Vi 37 U.Pha. 4 - > > Sun 17 Le 17 Poo.Pha. 2 BK > > Moon 0 Cp 06 U.Shaa. 2 DK > > Mars 4 Cn 22 Pushyami 1 GK > > Mercury 13 Vi 46 Hastha 2 PiK > > Jupiter ® 29 Sg 33 U.Shaa. 1 AK > > Venus 23 Vi 17 Hastha 4 AmK > > Saturn 16 Le 31 Poo.Pha. 1 MK > > Rahu 25 Pi 17 Revathi 3 PK > > Ketu 25 Vi 17 Chitra 1 - > > BhavaLg 17 Vi 45 Hastha 3 - > > HoraLg 18 Li 19 Swathi 4 - > > GhatiLg 20 Cp 00 Sravanam 4 - > > Dhooma 0 Cp 37 U.Shaa. 2 - > > Vyati 29 Ge 22 Punarvasu 3 - > > Pari 29 Sg 22 U.Shaa. 1 - > > I.Chapa 0 Cn 37 Punarvasu 4 - > > Upaketu 17 Cn 17 Aasresha 1 - > > Kaala 26 Li 16 Visakha 2 - > > Mrityu 4 Sg 30 Moola 2 - > > ArthaPr 1 Cp 45 U.Shaa. 2 - > > YamaGha 16 Le 22 Poo.Pha. 1 - > === message truncated === ===== http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 There was a Jupiter-Saturn conjunction at about 19 deg. Virgo on or about July 24, 1981. This was previous to the period of the Saturn transit to your second house, but I think this affected your life, since you have the lunar nodes in the one-seven axis. The Jupiter-Saturn synodal cylces run for 20 years, and affect the financial, governmental, and social infrastructure of the planet. Traditionally, American presidents elected near this conjunction are assasinated. Reagan was an exception to that, but there was an attempt on his life. Peope with prominent nodes are closer to the mass mind, and so they get affected more directly by something like a Shani-Guru conjunction. The beginning of these cycles are the calm before the storm. Everybody knows, somewere, that something big is changing, but they don't know what. It takes time to come down. Usually it takes several years. In your chart, it came down when Saturn entered the second house. When Saturn entered your second house, Jupiter, the ruler of the fourth, was also there, and so that neutralized Saturn's effect. But when Saturn entered the third house, he joined Ketu and Mercury, and so again started to cause trouble for your marriage. Om Tryambakam Yajamahe HorakuClara <myst3949 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Horaku, You are right that what happens, always arises from what precedes. In fact the transit of Saturn in the first house gave the two most important and happy years of my life and in my marriage. I enjoyed life in those two years, which I cannot say about the rest of my life. But this was a total reverse, when Saturn changed houses. - shakuhoraku Friday, July 25, 2003 1:28 AM Re: Married Life In my opinion, Clara has trouble with her marriages because of the strength of the moksha karakas in the chart, and the nodal axis in the first and seventh houses. (Ketu in first, and Rahu in seventh) The ruler of the 12th, the Sun, is swakshetra in the twelfth, with Saturn. Saturn in the 12th is a moksha karaka in a moksha house. The individuality is highly developed because of the other planets in the first house besides Ketu. But the seventh has nothing in it but Rahu -- I read chaotic marriage partners, and unwanted pregnancy is par for this. The birth family is strong, because the ruler of the fourth, Jupiter, is swakshetra in Sag. in the fourth. The career is happening, because the ruler of the 10 is in the first. In my opinion, the destruction of the marriage when Saturn transited the second house was after the fact. To get to the second, Saturn first had to transit the first house containing the ascendant, Mercury (the chart ruler), Venus (the ruler of the second), and Ketu! There is often a time lag with Saturn's effects. Om Tryambakam YajamaheHoraku saiganesh_h <saiganesh_h > wrote: Dear All,I am a learner and i want to post one thing in this matter. The 4 th house plays a important role for the female. The fourth house or the placement of 4 lord in a female horoscope has to be seen to judge the marital bliss between her and the husband.That is all i know..about the case of clara...can anyone clarify why she is not able to achive marital harmonythankssaiganesh--- In , "Clara" <myst3949@h...> wrote:> Hello,> > OK, enclosed here is my chart. Also with two divorces.> > Met my first husband shortly before my 16th birthday at my job.> Marriage 21 april 1970> Two planned children in 1973 and 1974> One unplanned child born 5 april 1984, which ruined the marriage> Husband left december 1984> > New relation in 1987> unwanted pregnancy (again!)> Second marriage 9 oktober 1987> Fourth child born in 1988> Third child also ruined this marriage, (he is a very difficult child)> Second husband left 10 may 1995> > 19 march 2003 first husband died> > In 1995 after divorce I visited a pandit who adviced me for wearing gemstones and having yagya's done> I am wearing blue saphire, emerald and diamond (small)> and had done a 2 days yagya for Saturn as wel as for Jupiter. > > These remedies do not change the problems I am facing in the outer world, they are still there, remedies help heal inner wounds, they are a matter of spiritual growth> > kind regards,> > Clara> > > > > --> These calculations were made using "Jagannatha Hora Lite". It is a> free software from Sri Jagannath Vedic Centre. You can download it> from http://www.geocities.com/~astrowhiz or http://www.sjvc.net.> --> > Date of Birth: September 3, 1949> Time of Birth: 7:55:00 am> Time Zone of Birth: 1:00 East of GMT> Longitude of Birth: 5 E 17> Latitude of Birth: 52 N 42> Lunar month (maasa): Bhadrapada > Lunar day (tithi): Sukla Dwadasi> Tithi balance: 0.9318> Nakshatra balance: 0.7422> Sun-Moon Yoga: Soubhagya> Sun-Moon Karana: Bava> Vara (weekday): Saturday> > Sunrise = 5:52 am (Apparent rise - upper limb)> Ayanamsa = 23-09-10> Dasa year length chosen = 365.2425 days> > Planet Position Pada CharaK > > Ascdt 7 Vi 37 U.Pha. 4 - > Sun 17 Le 17 Poo.Pha. 2 BK> Moon 0 Cp 06 U.Shaa. 2 DK> Mars 4 Cn 22 Pushyami 1 GK> Mercury 13 Vi 46 Hastha 2 PiK> Jupiter ® 29 Sg 33 U.Shaa. 1 AK> Venus 23 Vi 17 Hastha 4 AmK> Saturn 16 Le 31 Poo.Pha. 1 MK> Rahu 25 Pi 17 Revathi 3 PK> Ketu 25 Vi 17 Chitra 1 - > BhavaLg 17 Vi 45 Hastha 3 - > HoraLg 18 Li 19 Swathi 4 - > GhatiLg 20 Cp 00 Sravanam 4 - > Dhooma 0 Cp 37 U.Shaa. 2 - > Vyati 29 Ge 22 Punarvasu 3 - > Pari 29 Sg 22 U.Shaa. 1 - > I.Chapa 0 Cn 37 Punarvasu 4 - > Upaketu 17 Cn 17 Aasresha 1 - > Kaala 26 Li 16 Visakha 2 - > Mrityu 4 Sg 30 Moola 2 - > ArthaPr 1 Cp 45 U.Shaa. 2 - > YamaGha 16 Le 22 Poo.Pha. 1 - > Mandi 0 Li 09 Chitra 3 - > Gulika 21 Vi 25 Hastha 4 - > > > +----------------------+> | | | | |> | | | | |> | Rah | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | |> | | | |> | | | Mar |> | | | |> | | | |> |-------------| R A S I |-------------|> | | | |> | Moo | | Sat |> | | | |> | GL | | Sun |> | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | | Asc Mer |> | | | Mnd | |> | JupR | | | BL Glk |> | | | HL | |> | | | | Ven Ket |> +----------------------+> > +----------------------+> | | | | |> | Asc | | | |> | | | Mer | BL |> | HL | | | |> | | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | Glk |> | | | |> | Rah | | Ven |> | | | |> | | | GL |> |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------|> | | | Mar |> | | | |> | Moo | | Sat |> | | | |> | | | Ket |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | | |> | | | | |> | JupR | | Mnd | Sun |> | | | | |> | | | | |> +----------------------+> > > Vimsottari Dasa:> > Sun 1949-09-03 Jupi 1950-03-05> Satu 1950-12-22 Merc 1951-12-04 Ketu 1952-10-10 Venu 1953-02-15> Moon 1954-02-15 Mars 1954-12-16 Rahu 1955-07-17 Jupi 1957-01-15 Satu 1958-05-17> Merc 1959-12-17 Ketu 1961-05-17 Venu 1961-12-16 Sun 1963-08-17> Mars 1964-02-15 Rahu 1964-07-13 Jupi 1965-08-01 Satu 1966-07-08 Merc 1967-08-17> Ketu 1968-08-13 Venu 1969-01-09 Sun 1970-03-11 Moon 1970-07-17> Rahu 1971-02-15 Jupi 1973-10-28 Satu 1976-03-23 Merc 1979-01-28 Ketu 1981-08-16> Venu 1982-09-04 Sun 1985-09-03 Moon 1986-07-29 Mars 1988-01-28> Jupi 1989-02-14 Satu 1991-04-05 Merc 1993-10-16 Ketu 1996-01-22 Venu 1996-12-28> Sun 1999-08-29 Moon 2000-06-16 Mars 2001-10-16 Rahu 2002-09-22> Satu 2005-02-14 Merc 2008-02-18 Ketu 2010-10-28 Venu 2011-12-07 Sun 2015-02-06> Moon 2016-01-19 Mars 2017-08-19 Rahu 2018-09-28 Jupi 2021-08-04> Merc 2024-02-15 Ketu 2026-07-14 Venu 2027-07-11 Sun 2030-05-11 Moon 2031-03-17> Mars 2032-08-15 Rahu 2033-08-13 Jupi 2036-03-01 Satu 2038-06-07> Ketu 2041-02-14 Venu 2041-07-13 Sun 2042-09-12 Moon 2043-01-18 Mars 2043-08-19> Rahu 2044-01-15 Jupi 2045-02-02 Satu 2046-01-09 Merc 2047-02-18> Venu 2048-02-15 Sun 2051-06-16 Moon 2052-06-15 Mars 2054-02-14 Rahu 2055-04-16> Jupi 2058-04-16 Satu 2060-12-15 Merc 2064-02-15 Ketu 2066-12-15> > > - > Tanvir > To: > Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:05 PM> Re: Married Life> > > Hello,> From different sources, we get that 2nd and 4th houses rules "Family". On the other hand some say that they rule "relatives".> > I was very confused with them...> > But now, from my part I am sure that 4th house rules "Private Family", or "General Family" ie family with wife, kids, parents, siblings or in straight, the people you live in the same house with.> > And 2nd house shows "Relatives" ie the "Bigger family". When classics say that 2nd house rules family, they mean the bigger family circle of relatives.> > This is clear from my part since whenever I do any Sani remedy, there are some effects from my relatives. (Sani is in 2nd in my chart.)> > Always note down the things you are confused / not sure about... and when you look charts, always look from those views and try to understand which is correct...> > The TR Sat in 2nd house may be bad for marriage since 2nd house rules 2nd marriage. On the other hand it would be big mistake to overlook the dasha bhukti you were running that time. TR Sat would come to your 2nd house 3 times in life (May be) but would it always break marriage? Maha Dasa + Anter Dasa plays the biggest role while PD shows the timing and also TR shows the timing.> > Rahu is the disguised / cheater and with Rahu in 7th, you might discover that your husband did hide manythings from you and it took you years to discover his true nature. Watch for Rahu periods...> > If you have no problem you can send your chart in JHD format with the events then we can discuss.> > Best wishes,> Tanvir> > > > What can not happen, can never happen.> Which is mine, is forever mine.> > Tanvir Chowdhury> tanvir@s...> http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir> http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro> > > - > Clara > To: > Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:05 PM> Re: Married Life> > > Hi,> I have learned that family life and domestic hapiness is ruled bij the 2nd house in jyotish, in western astrology it is ruled by the 4th house.> > The second house should be observed for family life, it surely affects marriage. > I will give example from my life.> I was married for 12 years without problems, untill transit Saturn entered my second house (empty) with Libra in it, its exaltation sign, causing exalted problems in domestic harmony and family life. My marriage did not survive those two and a half years and end up in divorce (indicated by Rahu in the 7th).> > > - > Tanvir > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:14 PM> Re: Married Life> > > hello,> > this is a good initiative.> > i am not sure about the role of 4th house and lord about marriage. but yes it is the general happiness. how much sure are you about the 4th house's role in married life? this might add to my knowledge...> > another thing that 4th house and lord rules "family life" and "home environment". disturbs to 4th lord will disturb family life but not necessary problem in married life. the disturb might come as any form like even problem from kids, or parents, or any1 you live with in the home... and as one of the matters married life is a probable answer... not so?> > you are right, that in short, any affliction to the 7th house / lord / venus will disturb marital / romantic matters.> > also look for the 2nd house for second marriage etc. sani there might give 2nd marriage... :-(> [i have this]> > to know more about the spouse, see any planet situated in the 7th, or aspecting 7th. or planets joining 7th lord and venus etc. who is strong among them? etc etc. also see the 7th lord's own nature and his position...> > also see where is the 7th lord from his own house? like, 7th lord is in 3rd = 7th lord is 9th from own house. th is for teachers, religious. the wife might be involved in teaching or religous. this matches in my father's life. i also have the same.> > now if the 7th lord is wel placed and unafflicted then the wife will be virtuous since 9th house is the house of virtue.> > if the planet is exalted or own house then wife will make great prosper and will also help the hus since 9th is the house of prosperity.> > also 3rd house matters will come. well placed - good initiative in married life. ill placed, married life suffers for lack of initiatives. this i find true.> > again, if the 7th lord in 3rd is afflicted, esp by cruel 3rd lord, or rahu, or sani - then 3rd house ppl (siblings) will distrub marital life. even union between wife and sibling is possible.> > sani joining / aspecting ve will give separation from wife (being away). for aspect, sani has to be strong like it is exalted in my case - LOL ! sani in 7th might make a too much formal marriage by guardians, conservative marriage against ur wish, or a conservative wife, hard owrking or sick health wife. there may be age problems in the couple. this is what i see. always remember the planets own nature.> > etc etc.> > best wishes,> tanvir> > > > What can not happen, can never happen.> Which is mine, is forever mine.> > Tanvir Chowdhury> tanvir@s...> http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir> http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Learner > To: > Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:32 PM> Married Life> > > Hi,> > My knowledge in this area is limited.> > Marriage /Married Life can be inferred from :-> 1>. 7th House and 7th Lord> 2>. Venus > 3>. 4th House and 4th Lord> > > 1. 7th House and Lord Related :-> In general, if the 7th house is aspected or occupied by benefic planets (Jupiter, Venus) the marriage will be happy. If the 7th house is occupied by malefic planets (Mars, Saturn, Ketu, Rahu, Sun), there will be conflict and unhappiness.> > 2. Venus> Venus is the next indicator (Karaka) of marriage and spouse after the 7th house and its Lord. As with the 7th house and its lord, if Venus is strong and well aspected, the spouse and marriage will be strong. If Venus is badly placed or aspected, trouble is indicated for the spouse, and possibly also for the marriage.> > 3. 4th House and Lord> The fourth house is the indicator of, among other things, happiness in the home and marital harmony. If the fourth house is occupied and aspected by malefic planets, or if the 4th lord is badly placed, it will indicate a lack of harmony between the husband and wife, which may result in separation.> > > Now we need to know the role of aspects and special yogas etc etc.> > Some of the things to look for :-> 1. Venus should not be combined with enemy planet.> 2. 7th lord and house should not be badly placed.> 3. 4th lord and house should not be badly placed.> > I do not know how to find out more about the spouse's career(profession) and behaviuor (nature) and looks etc etc. > > Whatever I have written is very primitive and I will post one/two examples from which we can study on this basis and infer. But I request others to come forward anf give valuable input.> > Thanxs> Learner> SMS using the Messenger; Download latest version. > > ~! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > ~! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 Dear Tanvir, Thank you very much for this eye-opener. It greatly contributes to my jyotish knowledge. See for my comments below. kind regards, Clara - Tanvir Friday, July 25, 2003 6:24 PM Re: Married Life || Salam || First of all, difficulties in your married life and more than one marriage is not anything surprising since your 7th house has Rahu (This again means first house has Ketu, twin problems) and First house has total 3 planets who all aspect the 7th house. Including a fallen Venus (Natural karaka of love and marriage) who gets Neecha Bhanga but even then there would be trouble regarding being in fall. 3 planets in first house and Rahu in 7th very clearly tells the problems. If we look it from another side then we find that Venus is again afflicted by Rahu and Ketu. On the other hand your 7th lord Jupiter is troubled for being on the 29th degree of the sign. Again, it is retro and your atmakaraka, so it will teach you important lessons in life. Jupiter being 4th and 7th lord, the lessons wil be related to family life and marriage, spouse etc. Q. Is that what an atmakaraka does? Teaching you the most important lessons in your life? The word soul-indicator did not tell me that. All Rahu, Ketu etc. also influence this Jupiter by sign aspect. Can you see something? You have mentioned that both the marriages were ruined by your child. Now tell me who rules the child in natural significations? Jupiter!!! Now this should be more clear. Most clear indication, the child ruined your married lives were born in your Jupiter PD !!! So now see the things clearly. You made it very clear to me. I thank you very much for that. I never considered Jupiter, I just looked at the fifth lord Saturn. I am not yet very familiar with karakas, but now I can see how they work. And with due repstect to all, I do not know what is the reason of prescribing blue sapphire here? Saturn is your 6th lord which strictly opposes married life. No wonder a strong 6th lord would oppose marital harmony esp. if anyhoe it influience 7H / 7L / Venus etc... so why strengthening it? Again, you should also be very careful wearing an emerald. Remember Mercury is an neuter planet, his influence will generally make unhappiness from children and spouse. Virgos should be careful about romance and children while wearing emerald, though for other matters it would do good. And in your chart Mercury is enough strong who aspects the 7th house and joins Venus, the planet of love and marriage. Q. Do you have / ever had any debt problem? 1] My son, 2nd child, (born in my Ra/Ju) choose to live with his father when he remarried in 1987. But this marriage divorced 3 years later en left his father bankrupt. Lives of father and son went downhill. I could not face this any longer so I travelled there and we agreed I would take our son home with me for a short period, (but he still lives with me up till now). He came home with me on 26 october 1993 (Ju/Me/Me) and in the months following, the bills came in, and it became clear that he had a large debt, no job, was mentally ill, so I had to pay for it. It took me a couple of years to get him back on his feet again, but he paid me back multifold in the years after my divorce by supporting me with extra money until we could move from the expensive house to a cheaper one. 2] The second debt problem is very recent and is caused by my 'problem' son, 3rd child. I do not exactly remember when it started, somewhere in 2002 he received by mistake two payments of salary, which he spend, had to pay back, had no money, so I paid for it and wrote it down for him to pay back in the future. He quit his job end of december 2002 and had no new job, no money, but he could spend much more money than was on his bankaccount till a certain limit, which he indeed did. So his debt kept on growing and than came out there was another mistake made with taxes so he had to pay back a large some of money. High bills from the dentist, and so on and on....It seemed endless. No fun in the house. But then his father died in march 2003 and it turned out he had good insurence. So my son receives money every month untill he is 21 years old and when the house is sold there will come more money. He went back to his old job, spend very little money on drugs and worked really hard for payback. Last week he paid me back the last portion of his debt to me. Unwanted pregnancy can be indicated by Moon in 5th house. Moon is your 11th lord (desire and wish) and she being veeeeeery weak and troubled in 5th can very clearly indicated unwanted pregnancy. (Pregnancy against of desire / wish.) Notive that your first marriage broke in Ve AD (fallen) and 2nd marriage broke in Merc AD (Neuter one influencing 7L, 7H and Ve.) The PDs were Sat (6L) and Ra/Ju respectively... So if it was me I would leave the emerald and sapphire. (Leaving emerald would stop giving good on health and career but for marriage it's extremely important.) I would only wear the diamond. I highly respect your opinion on this, so I removed emerald and saphire. I might be asking you some questions later (about the exact dates etc. to know the PDs) if it is okay for you. May be I'd ask in private mail so that you feel more comfortable in answering. Best wishes, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Clara Thursday, July 24, 2003 5:32 PM Re: Married Life Hello, OK, enclosed here is my chart. Also with two divorces. Met my first husband shortly before my 16th birthday at my job. Marriage 21 april 1970 Two planned children in 1973 and 1974 One unplanned child born 5 april 1984, which ruined the marriage Husband left december 1984 New relation in 1987 unwanted pregnancy (again!) Second marriage 9 oktober 1987 Fourth child born in 1988 Third child also ruined this marriage, (he is a very difficult child) Second husband left 10 may 1995 19 march 2003 first husband died In 1995 after divorce I visited a pandit who adviced me for wearing gemstones and having yagya's done I am wearing blue saphire, emerald and diamond (small) and had done a 2 days yagya for Saturn as wel as for Jupiter. These remedies do not change the problems I am facing in the outer world, they are still there, remedies help heal inner wounds, they are a matter of spiritual growth kind regards, Clara -- These calculations were made using "Jagannatha Hora Lite". It is a free software from Sri Jagannath Vedic Centre. You can download it from http://www.geocities.com/~astrowhiz or http://www.sjvc.net.-- Date of Birth: September 3, 1949Time of Birth: 7:55:00 amTime Zone of Birth: 1:00 East of GMTLongitude of Birth: 5 E 17Latitude of Birth: 52 N 42Lunar month (maasa): Bhadrapada Lunar day (tithi): Sukla DwadasiTithi balance: 0.9318Nakshatra balance: 0.7422Sun-Moon Yoga: SoubhagyaSun-Moon Karana: BavaVara (weekday): Saturday Sunrise = 5:52 am (Apparent rise - upper limb)Ayanamsa = 23-09-10Dasa year length chosen = 365.2425 days Planet Position Pada CharaK Ascdt 7 Vi 37 U.Pha. 4 - Sun 17 Le 17 Poo.Pha. 2 BKMoon 0 Cp 06 U.Shaa. 2 DKMars 4 Cn 22 Pushyami 1 GKMercury 13 Vi 46 Hastha 2 PiKJupiter ® 29 Sg 33 U.Shaa. 1 AKVenus 23 Vi 17 Hastha 4 AmKSaturn 16 Le 31 Poo.Pha. 1 MKRahu 25 Pi 17 Revathi 3 PKKetu 25 Vi 17 Chitra 1 - BhavaLg 17 Vi 45 Hastha 3 - HoraLg 18 Li 19 Swathi 4 - GhatiLg 20 Cp 00 Sravanam 4 - Dhooma 0 Cp 37 U.Shaa. 2 - Vyati 29 Ge 22 Punarvasu 3 - Pari 29 Sg 22 U.Shaa. 1 - I.Chapa 0 Cn 37 Punarvasu 4 - Upaketu 17 Cn 17 Aasresha 1 - Kaala 26 Li 16 Visakha 2 - Mrityu 4 Sg 30 Moola 2 - ArthaPr 1 Cp 45 U.Shaa. 2 - YamaGha 16 Le 22 Poo.Pha. 1 - Mandi 0 Li 09 Chitra 3 - Gulika 21 Vi 25 Hastha 4 - ~! 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Guest guest Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 Hello, I am glad that you liked my views :-))) Actually predictions based on a rashi chart is strictly unscienctific since many thousand people are born in the same two hours with same rashi charts. In that logic there should be many copies of this 'Tanvir' who are doing exactly same in Jyotish with same skill and same class website and groups, since all other people born in my two hours have the same Rashi charts. There should be many other Bill Gates owning same big companies like Microsoft and owning same huge wealth. Rashi chart is not logical (Only D charts are) and the real Jyotish is working with D charts. However, most of the time Rashi charts match exactly and that is a DIVINITY just like a 'Prashna' Chart. (A prashna chart has no visible logic so far.) To my mind the divinity is that, "Only people who's Rashi chart will tell about them correctly have their charts done" or something like this. This is just a divinity... Atma Karaka does not mean 'Soul-indicator' but does mean 'Self-indicator'. The word 'Atma' has different meanings like soul, self etc. Here it means self. Like Atma-hatya does not mean soul-killing but means self-killing, ie suicide. It has been said that the AK (Atma karaka) shows the cause of birth. To me, it does not always give sufferings but if it is ill placed, it will give suffering like other planets. A lagna lord (self indicator) will cause much suffering if afflicted, since he deals with 'self' or 'overall life' and the same rule applies to AK since the effects will be directly on 'self' and 'life'. And like any other planets the effects will be related to the lordship and placement etc. I hope this is clear now. Learned members might correct me if I am wrong... About karakas, both natural and particular karakas are important. After the mail I wil paste a portion of my article on loneliness to make it even more clear how natural and particular karakas work. 12th L in 12th house gives debts, I saw two charts like this. When I got the third chart, I said he must have debts, and it was true. You are the fourth person with this :-) I was startting to believe that 12H tules debts but then I could see it correctly that the 12L from 12H aspects the 6H (debts) fully. Since he is strong giver of losses and expenditure from 12H, aspecting debts, he gives debts. Both your cases the debts are from your children and that is for the Sat (5L) being there in 12H joining 12L. I think removing sapphire will lessen the prob to some degree. Telling again, removing emerald will stop giving you some benefit related to health and career. But for happiness from marital life and kids it's extremely important. A part is copied below, you can read the full article by going to my site > Articles > Loneliness. Focus on my hart in the article, you would get more examples how planets work as per their own nature and lordships. Best wishes, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro =================== Example for Karaka 8L gives loneliness most among other lords. My Mars (3,8 lord) and Saturn both are exalted. Both natural and particular significators of loneliness are very strong. I first felt loneliness during whole of my Me-Mars. Right after starting of Mars AD, loneliness started, and right after the AD was over, loneliness was gone, too. Mars did not cause accidents being non afflicted and strong, but gave me loneliness. A major part of the day I used to pass in lonely places sitting alone for hours. I was lonely even in home for all the day and time. Had almost no one to talk to. Well, I had people to "talk to", but talks only related to work, studies etc.The only people I had to share my feelings were the servatns we had, i.e., the driver of our car and the cook of our home. Also, a great help were the private tutors I had. I used to gossip them to some extent and share my feelings and have a little better time.Now when we see the chart carefully, help from servants and teachers against loneliness becomes clear.There is a well placed Jupiter in my chart in the 3rd house. Jupiter is the most benefic planet in nature, and is a mild malefic for my ascendant. Again, for being well placed and virtuous in nature, he will work good for me most of the times.This Jupiter exchanges mutual aspect with Mars, the 8th lord of loneliness. That is why he lessens some of the pains Mars gives me.Jupiter is from the 3rd house, the house ruling servants. And, he is the natural ruler of teachers. So in my case, he rules servants and teachers. That is why, Jupiter cooling down Mars (loneliness) did that from the servants (3rd house) and teachers (Jupiter itself). ================================ - Clara Sunday, July 27, 2003 5:31 PM Re: Married Life Dear Tanvir, Thank you very much for this eye-opener. It greatly contributes to my jyotish knowledge. See for my comments below. kind regards, Clara - Tanvir Friday, July 25, 2003 6:24 PM Re: Married Life || Salam || First of all, difficulties in your married life and more than one marriage is not anything surprising since your 7th house has Rahu (This again means first house has Ketu, twin problems) and First house has total 3 planets who all aspect the 7th house. Including a fallen Venus (Natural karaka of love and marriage) who gets Neecha Bhanga but even then there would be trouble regarding being in fall. 3 planets in first house and Rahu in 7th very clearly tells the problems. If we look it from another side then we find that Venus is again afflicted by Rahu and Ketu. On the other hand your 7th lord Jupiter is troubled for being on the 29th degree of the sign. Again, it is retro and your atmakaraka, so it will teach you important lessons in life. Jupiter being 4th and 7th lord, the lessons wil be related to family life and marriage, spouse etc. Q. Is that what an atmakaraka does? Teaching you the most important lessons in your life? The word soul-indicator did not tell me that. All Rahu, Ketu etc. also influence this Jupiter by sign aspect. Can you see something? You have mentioned that both the marriages were ruined by your child. Now tell me who rules the child in natural significations? Jupiter!!! Now this should be more clear. Most clear indication, the child ruined your married lives were born in your Jupiter PD !!! So now see the things clearly. You made it very clear to me. I thank you very much for that. I never considered Jupiter, I just looked at the fifth lord Saturn. I am not yet very familiar with karakas, but now I can see how they work. And with due repstect to all, I do not know what is the reason of prescribing blue sapphire here? Saturn is your 6th lord which strictly opposes married life. No wonder a strong 6th lord would oppose marital harmony esp. if anyhoe it influience 7H / 7L / Venus etc... so why strengthening it? Again, you should also be very careful wearing an emerald. Remember Mercury is an neuter planet, his influence will generally make unhappiness from children and spouse. Virgos should be careful about romance and children while wearing emerald, though for other matters it would do good. And in your chart Mercury is enough strong who aspects the 7th house and joins Venus, the planet of love and marriage. Q. Do you have / ever had any debt problem? 1] My son, 2nd child, (born in my Ra/Ju) choose to live with his father when he remarried in 1987. But this marriage divorced 3 years later en left his father bankrupt. Lives of father and son went downhill. I could not face this any longer so I travelled there and we agreed I would take our son home with me for a short period, (but he still lives with me up till now). He came home with me on 26 october 1993 (Ju/Me/Me) and in the months following, the bills came in, and it became clear that he had a large debt, no job, was mentally ill, so I had to pay for it. It took me a couple of years to get him back on his feet again, but he paid me back multifold in the years after my divorce by supporting me with extra money until we could move from the expensive house to a cheaper one. 2] The second debt problem is very recent and is caused by my 'problem' son, 3rd child. I do not exactly remember when it started, somewhere in 2002 he received by mistake two payments of salary, which he spend, had to pay back, had no money, so I paid for it and wrote it down for him to pay back in the future. He quit his job end of december 2002 and had no new job, no money, but he could spend much more money than was on his bankaccount till a certain limit, which he indeed did. So his debt kept on growing and than came out there was another mistake made with taxes so he had to pay back a large some of money. High bills from the dentist, and so on and on....It seemed endless. No fun in the house. But then his father died in march 2003 and it turned out he had good insurence. So my son receives money every month untill he is 21 years old and when the house is sold there will come more money. He went back to his old job, spend very little money on drugs and worked really hard for payback. Last week he paid me back the last portion of his debt to me. Unwanted pregnancy can be indicated by Moon in 5th house. Moon is your 11th lord (desire and wish) and she being veeeeeery weak and troubled in 5th can very clearly indicated unwanted pregnancy. (Pregnancy against of desire / wish.) Notive that your first marriage broke in Ve AD (fallen) and 2nd marriage broke in Merc AD (Neuter one influencing 7L, 7H and Ve.) The PDs were Sat (6L) and Ra/Ju respectively... So if it was me I would leave the emerald and sapphire. (Leaving emerald would stop giving good on health and career but for marriage it's extremely important.) I would only wear the diamond. I highly respect your opinion on this, so I removed emerald and saphire. I might be asking you some questions later (about the exact dates etc. to know the PDs) if it is okay for you. May be I'd ask in private mail so that you feel more comfortable in answering. Best wishes, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 Hello Tanvir, Thank you very much for your explanations. It is not easy to learn jyotish, because the books are in english (not my native language) and one has to learn lots of sanskriet words too. In the glossary of my jyotish book the word atmakara was explained as indicator of the soul without further explanation and I could not make much of it by looking at charts. It was said to be the planet in the highest degree. Now I can see how it works. It is the centerpoint of what you come to do or learn here on earth by incarnating. The atma karaka of my 'problem-child' is of course the 8th lord (the Sun) ... could not have been anything else... But when it comes to Rahu as atmakaraka I meet with problems. Rahu is the atmakaraka of one of my other children, but is not in the highest degree, so there must also be rules of exception I guess, because Rahu is at 00.40 Sagittarius in the 3rd house of travel - short journeys. In my jyotish book Rahu is not assigned anything as a karaka. I assume this narrows down the area of life experiences to only the house in which Rahu is placed. He is a driver, all day driving a car (short journeys), and all his free time on the internet (communication). No other activities but the 3rd house activities. kind regards, Clara - Tanvir Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:05 AM Re: Married Life Hello, I am glad that you liked my views :-))) Actually predictions based on a rashi chart is strictly unscienctific since many thousand people are born in the same two hours with same rashi charts. In that logic there should be many copies of this 'Tanvir' who are doing exactly same in Jyotish with same skill and same class website and groups, since all other people born in my two hours have the same Rashi charts. There should be many other Bill Gates owning same big companies like Microsoft and owning same huge wealth. Rashi chart is not logical (Only D charts are) and the real Jyotish is working with D charts. However, most of the time Rashi charts match exactly and that is a DIVINITY just like a 'Prashna' Chart. (A prashna chart has no visible logic so far.) To my mind the divinity is that, "Only people who's Rashi chart will tell about them correctly have their charts done" or something like this. This is just a divinity... Atma Karaka does not mean 'Soul-indicator' but does mean 'Self-indicator'. The word 'Atma' has different meanings like soul, self etc. Here it means self. Like Atma-hatya does not mean soul-killing but means self-killing, ie suicide. It has been said that the AK (Atma karaka) shows the cause of birth. To me, it does not always give sufferings but if it is ill placed, it will give suffering like other planets. A lagna lord (self indicator) will cause much suffering if afflicted, since he deals with 'self' or 'overall life' and the same rule applies to AK since the effects will be directly on 'self' and 'life'. And like any other planets the effects will be related to the lordship and placement etc. I hope this is clear now. Learned members might correct me if I am wrong... About karakas, both natural and particular karakas are important. After the mail I wil paste a portion of my article on loneliness to make it even more clear how natural and particular karakas work. 12th L in 12th house gives debts, I saw two charts like this. When I got the third chart, I said he must have debts, and it was true. You are the fourth person with this :-) I was startting to believe that 12H tules debts but then I could see it correctly that the 12L from 12H aspects the 6H (debts) fully. Since he is strong giver of losses and expenditure from 12H, aspecting debts, he gives debts. Both your cases the debts are from your children and that is for the Sat (5L) being there in 12H joining 12L. I think removing sapphire will lessen the prob to some degree. Telling again, removing emerald will stop giving you some benefit related to health and career. But for happiness from marital life and kids it's extremely important. A part is copied below, you can read the full article by going to my site > Articles > Loneliness. Focus on my hart in the article, you would get more examples how planets work as per their own nature and lordships. Best wishes, Tanvir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 Oh, I see :-( I am sure the books of PVR jee and Sanjay Jee would make these clear. The AK is not always the planet of highest degree. Some consider 8 scheme karakas and then Rahu can be AK too by having the lowest degree, since it moves back words. Actually there are a lot of different opinions. Some say AK is the self indicator, some say it is the soul indicator. From my experience and understanding I go for the self indicator, for the meaning and also considering other facts. You will see that Jaimini stresses on AK just like Parasara stressed on Asc. lord. That is brilliant of you how you figured out the 3rd house matters. The house where Asc lord is placed is of prime importance, sine Asc. lord is self/life. Same to AK. But AK is of Jaimini system actually. NB A very good way to learn jyotish is to collect as many charts as you can and also collect as many events of those natives as you can. This can be done from your clients, from astro friends from net etc. This is best from your relatives since you know every single details of them. In books/websites sometimes charts are wrong. Well, you can learn how rules apply in charts from a good book, but for personal research, use first hand data. Then study each chart in depth and try to figure out why what happened? You will see many events are not suppossed to happen, but with deep thinking and analyzing, you will find the answer why they happened, and will learn a lot. I highly recommend this method and learnt a lot by this but now have no time for this actually... Also, see the PD cycle, they will look a lot similar, and thus describe the effects accordingly of AD and MD... Best wishes, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Clara Wednesday, July 30, 2003 6:03 PM Re: Married Life Hello Tanvir, Thank you very much for your explanations. It is not easy to learn jyotish, because the books are in english (not my native language) and one has to learn lots of sanskriet words too. In the glossary of my jyotish book the word atmakara was explained as indicator of the soul without further explanation and I could not make much of it by looking at charts. It was said to be the planet in the highest degree. Now I can see how it works. It is the centerpoint of what you come to do or learn here on earth by incarnating. The atma karaka of my 'problem-child' is of course the 8th lord (the Sun) ... could not have been anything else... But when it comes to Rahu as atmakaraka I meet with problems. Rahu is the atmakaraka of one of my other children, but is not in the highest degree, so there must also be rules of exception I guess, because Rahu is at 00.40 Sagittarius in the 3rd house of travel - short journeys. In my jyotish book Rahu is not assigned anything as a karaka. I assume this narrows down the area of life experiences to only the house in which Rahu is placed. He is a driver, all day driving a car (short journeys), and all his free time on the internet (communication). No other activities but the 3rd house activities. kind regards, Clara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Dear Mr. Hirani and Mr. vishwanathamji, I have not performed any remedies for amavasya tithi dosa...and my husband's birth was on chaurthi tithi . I have attached the charts for your verification. I am reminded of Mr. Hirani's warning to me about the koota points which I just ignored...so whatever has to happen has to happen... My final question is whether things will improve or deteriorate in my life?how should I be prepared for life ahead?Is the relationship too shaky to survive or can it withstand some tough times....Do you learned ones see any chances for my husband to change his business.....since shani is in his fourth house aspecting his own tenth house of workplace...also jupiter is aspecting the tenth house from the sixth... Should I fast for saturdays or thursdays?RegardsShreeyaH S Viswanadham <vishwanatham (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com> wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Shreeya & Ashwin, Pls check if the male native is born on Panchami, dasami ,pournima or amavasya. Also check if the Lagna is Virgo and also the rasi (moon sign) is Scorpio. If anyone of the later are present then physical abuse is possible. Second is in the female native's chart AL & UL ar in 6-8th position - shows lack of physical compatibility. LL in the 7th is that spouse will dominate. Female native has Mars (debilitated) in AL, which means lots of fumes and no fire power, at the end! Fasting on Thursday (UL in SG) is advised to improve marriage. Anything done aboutAmavasya tithi dosha? Sorry i could not cast the charts; happy to look at them if jhd are attached. regards viswanadham venusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Respected Gurus, Its been an year since my marriage and I am already facing lots of problems....be it my husbands business,his family,adjustment problems ....My husband even threatens to beat me up and leave me.I just pray to God that anything of this sort doesnt happen with me.Can senior gurus please advise me how my married life will be in the coming years or months.What remedies should I undertake to improve my married life??Any chances of my husband leaving his present business and changing his residence and work? My date of birth -19th june 1974place-muktsartime 16 34 hours My husbands date of birth-18th oct 1975time 18 45 hoursplace-kanpur I hope that someone will answer my queries. RegardsShreeya - Shreeya ashviyn (AT) lycos (DOT) com Monday, July 14, 2003 11:11 AM Re: hello.. Hello Ashwin, Thanks for mailing me about the matching.I consulted some eminent pandits for the kuta matching.I couldnt understand the technical point but the nadi dosa does get cancelled due to some reason....couldnt understand that....was very technical.....so the total points that two three pandits told me were 24 which is more than 19...I matched 19 points in the computer but due to the dosa getting cancelled there were more than 19 points. Thanks and take care ShreeyaAshwin Hirani <ashviyn (AT) lycos (DOT) com> wrote: Hi Shreeya, I was delighted to read your mail of getting engaged. Nice to know that things are turning for better @ ur end. I have your chart. Read your mail in the office while i was in the night shift ( we have free Internet Access which we can surf during break timings ) and it made my rest of the day wonderful. Today is my Weekly-Off and hence replying back today. Yes, dealings with Bulbs come under the list of Rahu. Rest of your reading is also correct. But, you mentioned below that "I have just 19 points of similarity with him ". Have you checked properly. From my analysis i get only 10 points. I paste below the Guna matching. Varna 1 1 Degree of spiritual development and caste Vashya 0 2 Degree of control over each other, peace and harmony Tara 1.5 3 Star compatibility to each other regarding maturity and adjustibility Yoni 2 4 Degree of physical compatibility Graha maitri 0.5 5 Degree of affinity to each other Rashi koota 0 7 Strength of marital bond Gana 5 6 Temperament compatibility Nadi 0 8 Intimacy 10 36 =D10/2,"Match is OK","Match is not OK")"> Dosha Ek Nadi Dosha Exhists The Koota matching shows only 10 Points which is less than 18 considered for matching of horoscope. 1. Ur UL lies in Sagittarius where as his Lagna is Aries which is in Trines to each other and very good. His UL lies in Sagittarius and Ur Lagna is Libra which is not trines to each other but 11 th from his UL and not bad for matching. 2. Your Ak is Venus in Aries and his Dk is Rahu in Libra which are in 1:7 position to each other which is Ok. His Ak is Jupiter in Pisces and your Dk is Sun in Gemini and they are trine to each other which is very good. 3. Your moon lies in Taurus and his moon lies in Pisces. From the male-moon the female-moon is in 3rd and forms Suklapaksha-Yoga which is conducive towards happiness of marraige. 4. In Male Chart there is no Planet in the 2nd house of Gotra. Rahu, Sun, Saturn aspect from rasi-drishti. So, the Female Chart must have association with any one of them. In the Female Chart Rahu resides in 2nd house. 5. Male Chart UL lies in Sagittarius and Ketu, Venus resides in it Trines. Female chart has Libra as the Lagna and Venus resides in it trines and hence match is conducive. From Female Chart UL lies in Sagittarius and Venus, resides in trines and Venus resides in trines in the Male Chart. Hence, the match is conducive. >From the above analysis, all other points match except for the Koota Matching which is very less than the required - 18 points. Also, Ek Nadi Dosha exhists which is not a sign of Intimacy between the partners giving a zero point out of the 8 required. As Guna matching forms an important criteria for horoscope matching, this chart as per Guna-matching does not match. Hence, i would recommend to kindly check again how you got 19 points from the Guna-matching. The above is my opinion and may not match with everybody. As i had replied to your mail "Yes, all of us have our own approach towards analysing a chart & it depends how you look at different aspects of a chart." Hope the above will be helpful. With Best Wishes, Ashwin Hirani Disclaimer : Any advice / remedy given by me must be confirmed from a Professional Astrologer and then implemented upon. Any suggestion given by me and implemented / taken by you is done at your own-risk and i will not be responsible in any manner whatsoever kind for its outcome. All decisions taken by you on the above analysis will be at the sole responsibility of your own. Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:38:09 +0100 (BST) Shreeya <venusgaal2003 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: hello.. Ashwin <ashviyn (AT) lycos (DOT) com> Hi Ashwin, He is dealing in bulbs and tubes which I think deals with Rahu related industry ...sani and rahu are together in my navamsa.He is short heighted since mars is the lagna lord and also my seventh lord...anyway I will wait for your analysis. Regards ShreeyaAshwin Hirani <ashviyn (AT) lycos (DOT) com> wrote: Hi Shreeya, Am so glad, joyous & happy to read this mail. I am right now in Office & will get back after my night shift finishes. Will get back to you after matching the UL's. This message made my day :-) Ashwin-- --------- DATE: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:16:37 Shreeya <venusgaal2003 (AT) (DOT) co.in> ashviyn (AT) lycos (DOT) com Cc: Dear Ashvin, I thought of telling you that I have got engaged and yes he is an industrialist by profession...I hope you remember my horoscope. According to the matching of the horoscopes I have just 19 points of similarity with him though I think that other points match..but you can take a look at his horoscope if you wish to.DOb-18th oct 1975time 6-45 pmplace - kanpur RegardsShreeya Dear Venusgaal, No one is more learned or less learned. All of us are students of thisgreat science - Astrology. I have not read that book so, i cant commentupon it, but yes, you are correct about Pushkar Navamsa but plz. keep in mindthat Venus is a asura guru & Jupiter a deva guru and both of them do notgo along with each other. Thats why placement of Jupiter in sign of venusis not considered conducive for marraige purpose, hence creates hurdles.Also, Venus is the natural significator / karka ( called Kalatrakakara )for Marraige and his placement in the 8 th is seen in the charts of Saints.But it does not mean that this will happen in every chart or with everyperson who has venus in the 8 th house. It depends on various other factors. But during my various conversations / interactions with people who have Venusin the 8 th house they have confirmed me that they had a mind-block / negativethinking reagrding marraige and as placements in your charts were of such nature, i brought out this point. Yes, all of us have our own approach towards analysing a chart & it dependshow you look at different aspects of a chart. Hope this solves your query. Regards,Ashwin Hirani (A student of Astrology)--- ---------DATE: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:32:47 Shreeya <venusgaal2003 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Vedic Astrology@com Cc: Dear Ashwin, I think you are more learned than me so correct me if I am wrong but as I read in a book -Secret Of Vargas by Krishan Kant that for airy signs 6th and 8th Navamansh is Pushkar navamansh,which is pisces and taurus, and jupiter placed in a pushkar navmansh is said to give excllent effects.It makes the person learned,wealthy and propserous.So I think that that jupiter 8th lordship must not be taken here.though probably venus is badly placed in the 8th but its in a good sign nevertheless. So I think that we have a different approach to the divisionals.What do u say to it? RegardsShreeyaAshwin Hirani <ashviyn (AT) lycos (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Veenusgal, Good point you took out. Where is Venus placed in navamsa - in the 8th house which shows obstructions in life. And Jupiter is lord of 8th house placed in the lagna. Hope this clarifies your point & what i wanted to tell you about connection with the 8th house. Regards,Ashwin Hirani(A student of Astrology)--- --------- DATE: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 04:11:51 Shreeya <venusgaal2003 (AT) (DOT) co.in> To: Vedic Astrology@com Cc: Dear Ashwin, Its nice to see your reply.what do you think about the sign exchange in the navamasa between jupiter and venus? I would like to add that I am quite positive about marriage and I dont have any negative feelings about it. Regards,ShreeyaAshwin Hirani <ashviyn (AT) lycos (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Venusgaal, Welcome. I hope my analysis will make you start thinking +Ve towards marraige. It is really difficult to predict the kind of profession or status of the husband but let me make an attempt. Navamsa Lagna defines the kind of person one will marry. The lagna rising in Navamsa is Taurus. Its lorded by Jupiter showing a person who is satvik, beliver in rituals as well as Ambitious. Sun is aspecting it from the 7th. Sun is the natural karaka for the soul & Sun is situated in the friends sign of Mars. Mars also gives Rasi-Drishti on Jupiter. Lagna lord falls in the 8th house. Hence, the husband will be strict by nature(Mars), follower of Rituals & Ambitious(Jupiter), Spiritual (Sun) and anger in nature(lagna lord in 8th). Rahu & Saturn both lie in the 10th house Rahu showing a profession which is related to abroad / Exports & Saturn relating it to Industrial field / traditional or being followed by a long time. A mantra when given by a Guru(which i am not) has more power & a guru is entitled / designated to give it. Now as the Moderator has recommended to join vedic astrology list, you can join there & ask any guru to give you a mantra for the moon. Hope the above will be helpful. Guru's / Senior Members may kindly correct me if i am wrong & give their valuable comments. With Best Wishes,Ashwin Hirani(A student of Astrology)-- Vedic Astrology@com, "venusgaal2003" <venusgaal2003 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Respected Ashwin Hirani,Thanks for the detailed analysis...I would also like to know what kind of profession or status of the future husband would you delineate for this chart. Also please tell the remedies besides fasts on thursday...What mantra of moon should be done?Thanks in anticipation,Shallu Vedic Astrology@com, "Ashwin Hirani" <ashviyn (AT) lycos (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Venusgaal, 7th lord mars is debiliated in 10th & is being aspected by Rahu. There has been a lot of troubles in fixing up marraige. Lord of 8 th house[obstructions] Venus is situated in 7 th house. Mars also happens to be the 2nd lord & 7th lord of Navamsa also. Venus the occupant of 7 th house in D-1 falls in 8th house in D-9. There have been hassles regarding marraige. Moon lies in the marankaraka sthan though exalted. Exit Out your negative thoughts about marriage / Ur mind-block regarding marraige. Keep a +ve mind & things will start moving +ve regarding marraige prospects. --------------------- June 19, 1974 Time: 16:34:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Longitude: 74 E 24' 00" Latitude: 30 N 30' 00" Lunar Year: Ananda Lunar Month: Jyeshtha Tithi: Amavasya Weekday: Wednesday Nakshatra: Mrigasira -------------------------------- Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa ChKarak -------------------------------- Lagna 25 Li 53' Visakha 2 Li Ta - Sun 4 Ge 17' Mrigasira 4 Ge Sc DK Moon 24 Ta 01' Mrigasira 1 Ta Le AmK Mars 12 Cn 53' Pushyami 3 Cn Li PK Mercury ® 20 Ge 03' Punarvasu 1 Ge Ar MK Jupiter 23 Aq 50' Poo.Bhaa. 2 Aq Ta BK Venus 28 Ar 49' Krittika 1 Ar Sg AK Saturn 13 Ge 23' Aardra 3 Ge Aq PiK Rahu 25 Sc 26' Jyeshtha 3 Sc Aq GK Ketu 25 Ta 26' Mrigasira 1 Ta Le - -------------------------------- Rasi +--------------+ | \ / \ / | | \ Rah / \ GL / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | x Asc x Glk Mnd | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ 7 / AL \ | | / \ / \ | | x Mar | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / Sat | |Jup x Ven x MerR Sun | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / Moo \ | | / \ / Ket HL \ | +--------------+ Navamsa +--------------+ | \ / \ / | | \ / \ MerR / | | \ / \ / | | \ / Jup \ / | |AL \ / \ / | |GL Glk x Asc x | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Ket \ 2 / Rah \ | | / \ / \ | | Moo x Sat | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ HL / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | x Sun x | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Mar \ / Ven \ | | / Mnd \ / \ | +--------------+ Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Mar Mar 1974-02-08 Rah 1974-07-07 Jup 1975-07-26 Sat 1976-07-01 Mer 1977-08-09 Ket 1978-08-07 Ven 1979-01-03 Sun 1980-03-04 Moo 1980-07-10 Rah Rah 1981-02-08 Jup 1983-10-22 Sat 1986-03-16 Mer 1989-01- 20 Ket 1991-08-10 Ven 1992-08-27 Sun 1995-08-28 Moo 1996-07-22 Mar 1998-01-21 Jup Jup 1999-02-08 Sat 2001-03-28 Mer 2003-10-10 Ket 2006-01-14 Ven 2006-12-21 Sun 2009-08-21 Moo 2010-06-10 Mar 2011-10-10 Rah 2012-09-14 Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Jup MD: 1999-02-08 (14:43:46) - 2015-02-08 (11:50:58) Sat AD: 2001-03-28 (19:08:43) - 2003-10-10 (01:53:22) Pratyantardasas in this AD: Sat: 2001-03-28 (19:08:43) - 2001-08-22 (07:12:47) Mer: 2001-08-22 (07:12:47) - 2001-12-31 (09:10:07) Ket: 2001-12-31 (09:10:07) - 2002-02-23 (08:33:43) Ven: 2002-02-23 (08:33:43) - 2002-07-27 (13:41:09) Sun: 2002-07-27 (13:41:09) - 2002-09-11 (20:01:23) Moo: 2002-09-11 (20:01:23) - 2002-11-27 (22:35:07) Mar: 2002-11-27 (22:35:07) - 2003-01-20 (21:58:43) Rah: 2003-01-20 (21:58:43) - 2003-06-08 (16:59:25) Jup: 2003-06-08 (16:59:25) - 2003-10-10 (01:53:22) --------------------- Now looking into Vim.Dasha there is still a good chance for marraige in this year as Jupiter is crossing over 7th lord Mars. The current dasha is Jup/Sat. Sat is the yogakaraka and in transit has come over the natal saturn. Also, joins the natal 9 th lord Mercury & is the natal 9 th lord in D-9 in 10 th house. Mars is debiliated but gets neechbhanga from Moon who is in kendra in 4 th house in D-9. Moon requires strength in order to bring in marraige. I will re commend gurus on the list to recommend a suita ble mantra for moon, as moon lies in the natal 8 th house in D-1 for which stone should not be worn. UL lies in Saggitarius and hence start keeping a fast on Thursdays. There are extremely good chances in Jup/Sat/Jup between 6/2003 to 10/2003. At this time Jupiter will be in Cancer & also leave Cancer to go to Leo & then it will aspect 2nd from UL which is very auspicious for getting married. During this period Saturn will also cross over the exact degress over natal Saturn & will be within 5 degress of your natal Saturn. Hence, the time between 6/2003 to 10/2003 is the time as per my interpretation for your marraige. Guru's / Senior Members may kindly correct me if i am wrong & give their valuable comments. With Best Wishes, Ashwin Hirani (A student of Astrology) -- On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:23:26 ven usgaal2003 wrote: Respected Jyotishis, Namaskar!! I would like you all to please comment on the marriage date of this chart...also what kind of groom since this belongs to a girl. Date of birth 19th june 1974 time 1634 hrs place-30° 30' N 74D 24' E waiting for your response, Thanks in anticipation, venusgaal India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Attachment: (application/octet-stream) shreeya.jhd [not stored] Attachment: (application/octet-stream) abhi.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 hello friend, As per prasna lagna divorce is not foreseen due to the benifics veekay201301 <maheshwari_v wrote: Dear All Respected Gurus, I am male,dob-Jan.8,68;tob-01:32AM;Longi-78*05'E, Lati-27*53'N I am passing through a very bad marriage. Did you see chance of betterment or divorce. As i am so frustated and depessed that i want my life back. Thank you, Vijay Mahehswari ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Dear Vijay.. I get Libra Ascendant.. 5th lord saturn is housed in th 6th, gives disputive inclinations, utterly weak mercury resulting in harsh speech and prime signifactor of spouse mars in the 5th whose dispositer saturn in the 6th is the problem, venus is in strength. Moon another signifactor for spouse is also in the 6th giving similar disputive and incompatible propensities. Present subperiod is of malefic 12th lord mercury, loss of sleep , peace at home and bed pleasures due to argumentive situations etc, tranist nodes will pass over natal nodes hence the situaion apparently will remain the same for sometime to come also jupiter is in ur 12th now plus saturn will be weak on and off till july05, have patience which is a must , and strengthen moon saturn and sun. period after july 2005 things will start improving specially after sep05. But Strengthing Moon Saturn and Sun is a must. Regards Amit Patnaik Rockville MD , "veekay201301" <maheshwari_v@v...> wrote: > > Dear All Respected Gurus, > I am male,dob-Jan.8,68;tob-01:32AM;Longi-78*05'E, Lati-27*53'N > I am passing through a very bad marriage. Did you see chance of > betterment or divorce. As i am so frustated and depessed that i want > my life back. > Thank you, > Vijay Mahehswari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Dear Shreya, Yes, we cannot save the destiny but we can certainly reduce the pain / degree of trouble to a great extent by correct decision making. Things will not improve for another 5 months(may detoriate as Jup-Mer-Rah is running) till June 2005 after which you will enter Jup-Mer-Jup and Jup is 3rd from UL aspecting Mars who is 8th from UL & Venus who is Ak providing breathing space in marraige. 8th from UL lies Mars and is aspected by Moon + Ketu and Rahu along with Jupiter. Mars is getting neechbhanga from Saturn (that is why some elderly person will put off the fire currently there though he would have been the person from whom you might be facing opposition ) who joins Sun (9th lord which would represent protection) and Mercury who is friend of Saturn. Mars is also aspected by Rahu + Ketu and Moon + Jup out of which Moon & Jupiter are benefic though both are not very powerful to avert troubles in marraige but will sail through Rough-Waters. Your husbands business seem to be difficult from march-2004 onwards. Ketu mahadasha ends in March 2005 and your husband would think to change business after may 2005 ( around October 2005 ) as Ven-Ven-Sun would start whereby Ven is 5th Occupant(8th to 10th House) & lord of 7th house aspecting 10 th house. Sun is occupant of 7th house of business and lord of 8th house from 10th. Also, after May 2006 the situation would be good in business. Hope that helps. ===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---=== Dear Vishwanatham, I beg to differ. As per my(little) knowledge, its UL who brings the spoue & 2nd lord from UL which sustains it. It is this reason why on the day ruled by UL lord the fasting i kept so that the person can get married. Now, Lord of AL & A7 is moon and Lord of UL is Jupiter who are quadrants to each other which rules out physical compatibility issue (guru's / senior's may correct me if i am wrong). Can you mention which people so many planets would represent ? Also, kindly let me know how did you arrive at stammering as Rahu joins Saturn the yogakaraka in Navamsa in its own sign i.e. Aq. Its aspected by Mars + Mercury & hence Arguments of severe nature that gets strectched for long time could be a major problem in the marraige. Regarding worshipping - Maheshwara would it be same as shiva ? as Shiva is indicated in her chart as Ishta-Devta which can remove the experiences of AK. Yes, there is a lot to discuss Vishwanadham & its sad to know you are not joining us in the mumbai-conference. Let me know when you are back. ===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---=== Best Regards, Ashwin Hirani 7/D-13, Chandralok Co-op. Hsg. Soc., Sector-10, KoperKhairane, Navi-Mumbai - 400 709. - Shreeya vishwanatham (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com ; ashviyn (AT) lycos (DOT) com ; Vedic Astrology Sunday, January 09, 2005 4:25 PM Re: married life Dear Mr. Hirani and Mr. vishwanathamji, I have not performed any remedies for amavasya tithi dosa...and my husband's birth was on chaurthi tithi . I have attached the charts for your verification. I am reminded of Mr. Hirani's warning to me about the koota points which I just ignored...so whatever has to happen has to happen... My final question is whether things will improve or deteriorate in my life?how should I be prepared for life ahead?Is the relationship too shaky to survive or can it withstand some tough times....Do you learned ones see any chances for my husband to change his business.....since shani is in his fourth house aspecting his own tenth house of workplace...also jupiter is aspecting the tenth house from the sixth... Should I fast for saturdays or thursdays?RegardsShreeya - H S Viswanadham Ashwin Hirani Cc: aarceemastro2002 (AT) (DOT) co.in ; makara (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com ; 'vinay patwardhan' ; Shreeya Monday, January 10, 2005 9:46 AM married life Hare Rama Krishna Dear Ashwin & Shreya Ji, Fasting on the day of Lord of UL for sustenance of marriage. 2nd lord from UL brings the spouse, so you *worship* 2L from UL for getting married. UL-AL, 6-8 is incompatibility, though not physical in that sense. Even Al & A7 show the attitude only. Actual, is shown from the lord of A7. Infact she has a Srimatha yoga with AL & A7being together. See the planets opposing her marriage (Mer retro, Sun & Sat) in the 7th from UL, indicate the people opposing marriage. Rahu in the 12th from UL.Shreya Ji, your husband has teeth protruding (or does he stammer)? Shreya Ji nothing to worry. When you fasted on Thursdays, you marriage did take place. So once again you start fasting. Take the vrata till your marriage improves. referring to the Venus dasa in your spouse's chart is separate. From your AK, Venus, you can expect the experiences you are undergoing. Go ahead and worship Maheswara to your best ability. As it can be seen, your husband's sarpa dosha is operating. Hopefully it'll be over soon. Some changes you can expect, when venus mahadasa starts. Ashwin, there is lot to discuss. Presently i am out of town till 20th. Once i am back, we can discuss. Thanks & regards viswanadham - Shreeya Ashwin Hirani Sunday, January 09, 2005 10:45 PM Re: married life Hare Krishna!! Dear Ashvin, Till now there has been no physical abuse but he has threatened to do that so many times that I am afraid that he may not do so....btw I am really getting confused whether to fast on thursday or saturday... Rahu as darakaraka shows a sudden marriage....thats what i am aware of could you pls enlighten me more about what are the effects of rahu as darakaraka in seventh. Hoping to hear more from your end. RegardsShreeya Ashwin Hirani <ashwiyn (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: || Jai Shri Ram || Dear Vishwanatham, The male is born on Chaturdasi and the Lagna is Aries with Moon in Pisces !! Hence no physical abuse as per your below mail. The female native may comment if it is so ? I think UL & A7 in 6/8 will show lack of physical compatibility & not UL & AL. Aso, pls. observe both of them have UL in Saggi & UL of Wife & A7 of Husband are 1:7 to each other which is +ve whereas UL of Wife & AL of Husband are trines to each other !!! To Improve marraige why fasting on UL ?? It should be Lord of 2nd to UL as 2nd to UL shows sustenance of Marriage. Kindly reconsider. Yes the female is born on Amavasya, but moon is exalted and looses in the planetary war with Ketu. Any comments on this ? What would be the remedy of Amavasya tithi dosha ? Also, kindly observe that Husbands chart has Debiliated Sun joining Rahu in Libra in Natal-Chart in 7th House while exchanging signs with Venus who is 5th house occupant where Rahu is Darakaraka !! Attaching Charts in .jhd format of both the natives. Lookikng forward to Views / Comments from Guru's / Learned Members. Kind Regards, Ashwin H S Viswanadham <vishwanatham (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com> wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Shreeya & Ashwin, Pls check if the male native is born on Panchami, dasami ,pournima or amavasya. Also check if the Lagna is Virgo and also the rasi (moon sign) is Scorpio. If anyone of the later are present then physical abuse is possible. Second is in the female native's chart AL & UL ar in 6-8th position - shows lack of physical compatibility. LL in the 7th is that spouse will dominate. Female native has Mars (debilitated) in AL, which means lots of fumes and no fire power, at the end! Fasting on Thursday (UL in SG) is advised to improve marriage. Anything done aboutAmavasya tithi dosha? Sorry i could not cast the charts; happy to look at them if jhd are attached. regards viswanadham venusgaal2003 <venusgaal2003 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Respected Gurus, Its been an year since my marriage and I am already facing lots of problems....be it my husbands business,his family,adjustment problems ....My husband even threatens to beat me up and leave me.I just pray to God that anything of this sort doesnt happen with me.Can senior gurus please advise me how my married life will be in the coming years or months.What remedies should I undertake to improve my married life??Any chances of my husband leaving his present business and changing his residence and work? My date of birth -19th june 1974place-muktsartime 16 34 hours My husbands date of birth-18th oct 1975time 18 45 hoursplace-kanpur I hope that someone will answer my queries. RegardsShreeya - Shreeya ashviyn (AT) lycos (DOT) com Monday, July 14, 2003 11:11 AM Re: hello.. Hello Ashwin, Thanks for mailing me about the matching.I consulted some eminent pandits for the kuta matching.I couldnt understand the technical point but the nadi dosa does get cancelled due to some reason....couldnt understand that....was very technical.....so the total points that two three pandits told me were 24 which is more than 19...I matched 19 points in the computer but due to the dosa getting cancelled there were more than 19 points. Thanks and take care ShreeyaAshwin Hirani <ashviyn (AT) lycos (DOT) com> wrote: Hi Shreeya, I was delighted to read your mail of getting engaged. Nice to know that things are turning for better @ ur end. I have your chart. Read your mail in the office while i was in the night shift ( we have free Internet Access which we can surf during break timings ) and it made my rest of the day wonderful. Today is my Weekly-Off and hence replying back today. Yes, dealings with Bulbs come under the list of Rahu. Rest of your reading is also correct. But, you mentioned below that "I have just 19 points of similarity with him ". Have you checked properly. From my analysis i get only 10 points. I paste below the Guna matching. Varna 1 1 Degree of spiritual development and caste Vashya 0 2 Degree of control over each other, peace and harmony Tara 1.5 3 Star compatibility to each other regarding maturity and adjustibility Yoni 2 4 Degree of physical compatibility Graha maitri 0.5 5 Degree of affinity to each other Rashi koota 0 7 Strength of marital bond Gana 5 6 Temperament compatibility Nadi 0 8 Intimacy 10 36 =D10/2,"Match is OK","Match is not OK")"> Dosha Ek Nadi Dosha Exhists The Koota matching shows only 10 Points which is less than 18 considered for matching of horoscope. 1. Ur UL lies in Sagittarius where as his Lagna is Aries which is in Trines to each other and very good. His UL lies in Sagittarius and Ur Lagna is Libra which is not trines to each other but 11 th from his UL and not bad for matching. 2. Your Ak is Venus in Aries and his Dk is Rahu in Libra which are in 1:7 position to each other which is Ok. His Ak is Jupiter in Pisces and your Dk is Sun in Gemini and they are trine to each other which is very good. 3. Your moon lies in Taurus and his moon lies in Pisces. From the male-moon the female-moon is in 3rd and forms Suklapaksha-Yoga which is conducive towards happiness of marraige. 4. In Male Chart there is no Planet in the 2nd house of Gotra. Rahu, Sun, Saturn aspect from rasi-drishti. So, the Female Chart must have association with any one of them. In the Female Chart Rahu resides in 2nd house. 5. Male Chart UL lies in Sagittarius and Ketu, Venus resides in it Trines. Female chart has Libra as the Lagna and Venus resides in it trines and hence match is conducive. From Female Chart UL lies in Sagittarius and Venus, resides in trines and Venus resides in trines in the Male Chart. Hence, the match is conducive. >From the above analysis, all other points match except for the Koota Matching which is very less than the required - 18 points. Also, Ek Nadi Dosha exhists which is not a sign of Intimacy between the partners giving a zero point out of the 8 required. As Guna matching forms an important criteria for horoscope matching, this chart as per Guna-matching does not match. Hence, i would recommend to kindly check again how you got 19 points from the Guna-matching. The above is my opinion and may not match with everybody. As i had replied to your mail "Yes, all of us have our own approach towards analysing a chart & it depends how you look at different aspects of a chart." Hope the above will be helpful. With Best Wishes, Ashwin Hirani Disclaimer : Any advice / remedy given by me must be confirmed from a Professional Astrologer and then implemented upon. Any suggestion given by me and implemented / taken by you is done at your own-risk and i will not be responsible in any manner whatsoever kind for its outcome. All decisions taken by you on the above analysis will be at the sole responsibility of your own. Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:38:09 +0100 (BST) Shreeya <venusgaal2003 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: hello.. Ashwin <ashviyn (AT) lycos (DOT) com> Hi Ashwin, He is dealing in bulbs and tubes which I think deals with Rahu related industry ...sani and rahu are together in my navamsa.He is short heighted since mars is the lagna lord and also my seventh lord...anyway I will wait for your analysis. Regards ShreeyaAshwin Hirani <ashviyn (AT) lycos (DOT) com> wrote: Hi Shreeya, Am so glad, joyous & happy to read this mail. I am right now in Office & will get back after my night shift finishes. Will get back to you after matching the UL's. This message made my day :-) Ashwin-- --------- DATE: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:16:37 Shreeya <venusgaal2003 (AT) (DOT) co.in> ashviyn (AT) lycos (DOT) com Cc: Dear Ashvin, I thought of telling you that I have got engaged and yes he is an industrialist by profession...I hope you remember my horoscope. According to the matching of the horoscopes I have just 19 points of similarity with him though I think that other points match..but you can take a look at his horoscope if you wish to.DOb-18th oct 1975time 6-45 pmplace - kanpur RegardsShreeya Dear Venusgaal, No one is more learned or less learned. All of us are students of thisgreat science - Astrology. I have not read that book so, i cant commentupon it, but yes, you are correct about Pushkar Navamsa but plz. keep in mindthat Venus is a asura guru & Jupiter a deva guru and both of them do notgo along with each other. Thats why placement of Jupiter in sign of venusis not considered conducive for marraige purpose, hence creates hurdles.Also, Venus is the natural significator / karka ( called Kalatrakakara )for Marraige and his placement in the 8 th is seen in the charts of Saints.But it does not mean that this will happen in every chart or with everyperson who has venus in the 8 th house. It depends on various other factors. But during my various conversations / interactions with people who have Venusin the 8 th house they have confirmed me that they had a mind-block / negativethinking reagrding marraige and as placements in your charts were of such nature, i brought out this point. Yes, all of us have our own approach towards analysing a chart & it dependshow you look at different aspects of a chart. Hope this solves your query. Regards,Ashwin Hirani (A student of Astrology)--- ---------DATE: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:32:47 Shreeya <venusgaal2003 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Vedic Astrology@com Cc: Dear Ashwin, I think you are more learned than me so correct me if I am wrong but as I read in a book -Secret Of Vargas by Krishan Kant that for airy signs 6th and 8th Navamansh is Pushkar navamansh,which is pisces and taurus, and jupiter placed in a pushkar navmansh is said to give excllent effects.It makes the person learned,wealthy and propserous.So I think that that jupiter 8th lordship must not be taken here.though probably venus is badly placed in the 8th but its in a good sign nevertheless. So I think that we have a different approach to the divisionals.What do u say to it? RegardsShreeyaAshwin Hirani <ashviyn (AT) lycos (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Veenusgal, Good point you took out. Where is Venus placed in navamsa - in the 8th house which shows obstructions in life. And Jupiter is lord of 8th house placed in the lagna. Hope this clarifies your point & what i wanted to tell you about connection with the 8th house. Regards,Ashwin Hirani(A student of Astrology)--- --------- DATE: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 04:11:51 Shreeya <venusgaal2003 (AT) (DOT) co.in> To: Vedic Astrology@com Cc: Dear Ashwin, Its nice to see your reply.what do you think about the sign exchange in the navamasa between jupiter and venus? I would like to add that I am quite positive about marriage and I dont have any negative feelings about it. Regards,ShreeyaAshwin Hirani <ashviyn (AT) lycos (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Venusgaal, Welcome. I hope my analysis will make you start thinking +Ve towards marraige. It is really difficult to predict the kind of profession or status of the husband but let me make an attempt. Navamsa Lagna defines the kind of person one will marry. The lagna rising in Navamsa is Taurus. Its lorded by Jupiter showing a person who is satvik, beliver in rituals as well as Ambitious. Sun is aspecting it from the 7th. Sun is the natural karaka for the soul & Sun is situated in the friends sign of Mars. Mars also gives Rasi-Drishti on Jupiter. Lagna lord falls in the 8th house. Hence, the husband will be strict by nature(Mars), follower of Rituals & Ambitious(Jupiter), Spiritual (Sun) and anger in nature(lagna lord in 8th). Rahu & Saturn both lie in the 10th house Rahu showing a profession which is related to abroad / Exports & Saturn relating it to Industrial field / traditional or being followed by a long time. A mantra when given by a Guru(which i am not) has more power & a guru is entitled / designated to give it. Now as the Moderator has recommended to join vedic astrology list, you can join there & ask any guru to give you a mantra for the moon. Hope the above will be helpful. Guru's / Senior Members may kindly correct me if i am wrong & give their valuable comments. With Best Wishes,Ashwin Hirani(A student of Astrology)-- Vedic Astrology@com, "venusgaal2003" <venusgaal2003 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Respected Ashwin Hirani,Thanks for the detailed analysis...I would also like to know what kind of profession or status of the future husband would you delineate for this chart. Also please tell the remedies besides fasts on thursday...What mantra of moon should be done?Thanks in anticipation,Shallu Vedic Astrology@com, "Ashwin Hirani" <ashviyn (AT) lycos (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Venusgaal, 7th lord mars is debiliated in 10th & is being aspected by Rahu. There has been a lot of troubles in fixing up marraige. Lord of 8 th house[obstructions] Venus is situated in 7 th house. Mars also happens to be the 2nd lord & 7th lord of Navamsa also. Venus the occupant of 7 th house in D-1 falls in 8th house in D-9. There have been hassles regarding marraige. Moon lies in the marankaraka sthan though exalted. Exit Out your negative thoughts about marriage / Ur mind-block regarding marraige. Keep a +ve mind & things will start moving +ve regarding marraige prospects. --------------------- Ju ne 19, 1974 Time: 16:34:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Longitude: 74 E 24' 00" Latitude: 30 N 30' 00" Lunar Year: Ananda Lunar Month: Jyeshtha Tithi: Amavasya Weekday: Wednesday Nakshatra: Mrigasira -------------------------------- Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa ChKarak -------------------------------- Lagna 25 Li 53' Visakha 2 Li Ta - S un 4 Ge 17' Mrigasira 4 Ge Sc DK Moon 24 Ta 01' Mrigasira 1 Ta Le AmK Mars 12 Cn 53' Pushyami 3 Cn Li PK Mercury ® 20 Ge 03' Punarvasu 1 Ge Ar MK Jupiter 23 Aq 50' Poo.Bhaa. 2 Aq Ta BK Venus 28 Ar 49' Krittika 1 Ar Sg AK Saturn 13 Ge 23' Aardra 3 Ge Aq PiK Rahu 25 Sc 26' Jyeshtha 3 Sc Aq GK Ketu 25 Ta 26' Mrigasira 1 Ta Le - -------------------------------- Rasi +--------------+ | \ / \ / | | \ Rah / \ GL / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | x Asc x Glk Mnd | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ 7 / AL \ | | / \ / \ | | x Mar | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / Sat | |Jup x Ven x MerR Sun | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / Moo \ | | / \ / Ket HL \ | +--------------+ Navamsa +--------------+ | \ / \ / | | \ / \ MerR / | | \ / \ / | | \ / Jup \ / | |AL \ / \ / | |GL Glk x Asc x | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Ket \ 2 / Rah \ | | / \ / \ | | Moo x Sat | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ HL / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | x Sun x | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Mar \ / Ven \ | | / Mnd \ / \ | +--------------+ Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Mar Mar 1974-02-08 Rah 1974-07-07 Jup 1975-07-26 Sat 1976-07-01 Mer 1977-08-09 Ket 1978-08-07 Ven 1979-01-03 Sun 1980-03-04 Moo 1980-07-10 Rah Rah 1981-02-08 Jup 1983-10-22 Sat 1986-03-16 Mer 1989-01- 20 Ket 1991-08-10 Ven 1992-08-27 Sun 1995-08-28 Moo 1996-07-22 Mar 1998-01-21 Jup Jup 1999-02-08 Sat 2001-03-28 Mer 2003-10-10 Ket 2006-01-14 Ven 2006-12-21 Sun 2009-08-21 Moo 2010-06-10 Mar 2011-10-10 Rah 2012-09-14 Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Jup MD: 1999-02-08 (14:43:46) - 2015-02-08 (11:50:58) Sat AD: 2001-03-28 (19:08:43) - 2003-10-10 (01:53:22) Pratyantardasas in this AD: Sat: 2001-03-28 (19:08:43) - 2001-08-22 (07:12:47) Mer: 2001-08-22 (07:12:47) - 2001-12-31 (09:10:07) Ket: 2001-12-31 (09:10:07) - 2002-02-23 (08:33:43) Ven: 2002-02-23 (08:33:43) - 2002-07-27 (13:41:09) Sun: 2002-07-27 (13:41:09) - 2002-09-11 (20:01:23) Moo: 2002-09-11 (20:01:23) - 2002-11-27 (22:35:07) Mar: 2002-11-27 (22:35:07) - 2003-01-20 (21:58:43) Rah: 2003-01-20 (21:58:43) - 2003-06-08 (16:59:25) Jup: 2003-06-08 (16:59:25) - 2003-10-10 (01:53:22) --------------------- Now looking into Vim.Dasha there is still a good chance for marraige in this year as Jupiter is crossing over 7th lord Mars. The current dasha is Jup/Sat. Sat is the yogakaraka and in transit has come over the natal saturn. Also, joins the natal 9 th lord Mercury & is the natal 9 th lord in D-9 in 10 th house. Mars is debiliated but gets neechbhanga from Moon who is in kendra in 4 th house in D-9. Moon requires strength in order to bring in marraige. I will re commend gurus on the list to recommend a suita ble mantra for moon, as moon lies in the natal 8 th house in D-1 for which stone should not be worn. UL lies in Saggitarius and hence start keeping a fast on Thursdays. There are extremely good chances in Jup/Sat/Jup between 6/2003 to 10/2003. At this time Jupiter will be in Cancer & also leave Cancer to go to Leo & then it will aspect 2nd from UL which is very auspicious for getting married. During this period Saturn will also cross over the exact degress over natal Saturn & will be within 5 degress of your natal Saturn. Hence, the time between 6/2003 to 10/2003 is the time as per my interpretation for your marraige. Guru's / Senior Members may kindly cor rect me if i am wrong & give their valuable comments. With Best Wishes, Ashwin Hirani (A student of Astrology) -- On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:23:26 ven usgaal2003 wrote: Respected Jyotishis, Namaskar!! I would like you all to please comment on the marriage date of this chart...also what kind of groom since this belongs to a girl. Date of birth 19th june 1974 time 1634 hrs place-30° 30' N 74D 24' E waiting for your response, Thanks in anticipation, venusgaal -- _____________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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