Guest guest Posted June 30, 2002 Report Share Posted June 30, 2002 Dear Hari, Fantastic...!!!!! This is what i was looking for. A valuable comment from a learned memeber to expand my horizon and method of looking into the chart, to learn more and gain more knowledge. I have given my views after this sign => "Ashwin, Why 8th house? 8th house is where the marriage ends. Always remember that Rahu as Dk gives sudden and unconventional marriage. " => But 8 th house is the house of marital bond also. Dr. B.V.Raman in his book "How to Judge a Horoscope" had said " 8 th house rules "Mangalya" or the strength of the marital bond". Now, affliction to this house causes marital discord. To remind you it is the 8 th from the Up-pada lagna that the second marraige is seen. Why 8 th because the bondage has to be regained in the second marraige. Correct me if i am wrong. "No mention of Darakaraka? " => Yes, it should also be considered and has an important stand. Thnx for bringing this to my notice. " Navamsa Stands for Dharma. So obviously the 9th house in D9 should be afflicted. " => Not only in Navamsa but also in Rashi. "9th house rules "Saubhagya" or good fortune. Good Fortune covers not only material affluence but also a long-lived married partner." says the learned author in the book. "7th house afflicted in D9 gives a pointer to unhappiness in marriage. " => I agree with you. "What about the inter-relationships between AL, UL and A7. One can give a sure shot prediction about love marriage by seeing the connection between Al, UL and A7. => Thnx for the enlightment. But if you see in the chart (attached), AL & UL are in 2/12 relationship. A7 is the only one who has 9/5 relationship with AL but 6/8 with UL. Moon the Darakaraka is in 2/12 from A7 but 9/5 from UL. UL and AL are 6/8 from each other in Navamsa also. Now, in these conditions how can we say that the person will have love-marraige. Also, if i am not mistaken A7 is seen for partnership and not exactly for marraige though it does have its importance. Kindly throw more light on this. "However, what does Sc being afflicted in your friends chart mean?" => I think you forgot to see my see my next mail on this topic. In the next mail i have specifically mentioned that jupiter is afflicted in navamsa. The 8 th house is afflicted with Mars and mercury. The lord of the sign scorpio i.e. Mars is afflicted with Rahu and there is no benefic aspect on him in rashi. Also, he is in scorpio with moon being debiliated and aspected by afflicted 8 th house lord Saturn from the 12th. To add to this Jupiter the 7th lord is in enemical sign of Venus i.e. Libra in the 8 th hemmed between malefics Mars and Sun. "Not to forget that Up-pada lagna if gets afflicted with rahu in rashi, navamsa or its dispositor gets badly afflicted can cause terrible problems in marraige. " => Now, if we see this chart UL in the chart is not afflicted with Rahu. Its dispositor Jupiter is in his friends sign of mars - Scorpio. He is with his friend moon who is in his own sign of cancer in the 5th. Jupiter in navamsa is in 8th hemmed between mars and saturn. It does get aspect from Rahu(Graha Drishti) in navamsa but its dispositor venus is exalted in lagna and thus it will show the effects of its dispositor. Jupiter receives aspect(Graha Drishti) of Saturn who is the 9 th lord in the rashi from the 2nd in navamsa. Taking all this in context how can be inter-cast marraige be predicted. Is only aspect of rahu sufficient??? I have my doubts??? Kindly throw light on this. "Again, see UL-AL and A7 nexus" => Can you throw light on what does A7 Nexus means?. I am not able to get you. Kindly expand & explain more on this. "Each has a story to say." => What is that?? And how to interpret that & from where?? "Lastly, can we have the complete chart Please?" => I was trying to support my statement by giving an example and not discussing the chart. Yes, the whole chart is very important and i have attached it. Dear Hari, it has always been informative to discuss with you. I look forward to interact more with you, discuss different topics, aspect, concepts and in turn learning from you. Keep dropping in your comments like this so that i can gain more (definately from the mistakes). Looking forward to your response, With Best Wishes, Ashwin (A student of Astrology) -- > - > Ashwin Hirani > Vedic Astrology > Friday, June 28, 2002 7:22 PM > Re: [Vedic Astrology] intercaste marriage >On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 16:46:32 >Katti Narahari wrote: >Om Guruave Namah > >Dear Ashwin, > >My comments in Red > Dear Unknown, > > Yes, planet Rahu plays a very imporant role in bringing an intercaste marraige. > > Now, as i mentioned earlier that 8 th house plays a major role in unconventional marraige. if 8 th is afflicted by malefics (not only rahu but malefics as per lagna and natural both) and does not get any beneficial effect, its dispositor is afflicted also or holds in his sign any planet which is related with rahu then also this occurs. Again we should not forget 7 th house, his lord and aspects of all kinds on him. > Ashwin, Why 8th house? 8th house is where the marriage ends. No mention of Darakaraka? Always remember that Rahu as Dk gives sudden and unconventional marriage. > > The navamsa here again gains a very major role. If navamsa also has rahu in the 7th or afflicted with rahu or a malefic then also it gets blemished and gives intercast marraige. > Navamsa Stands for Dharma. So obviously the 9th house in D9 should be afflicted. 7th house afflicted in D9 gives a pointer to unhappiness in marriage. > > > I remember a colleague of mine who was working with me. The 7 th lord jupiter was in 6 th and 6 th lord dispositor Mars was badly afflicted with Rahu. She had in the 5 th house venus in its sign Libra. She had a love marraige recently - she was a maharashtrian & the boy was a christian. Of course the 7 th lord was also afflicted in Navamsa. > > What about the inter-relationships between AL, UL and A7. One can give a sure shot prediction about love marriage by seeing the connection between Al, UL and A7. However, what does Sc being afflicted in your friends chart mean? > > One point to note. A malefic will not hamper his own sign. For example - it is seen that when saturn is aspecting his own sign aquarius / capricon which is placed in the 7 th then his aspect will not dealy the marraige / afflict him. Also, planets of functional nature and as per moon & Venus should be assessed. > > Not to forget that Up-pada lagna if gets afflicted with rahu in rashi, navamsa or its dispositor gets badly afflicted can cause terrible problems in marraige. > > Again, see UL-AL and A7 nexus. Each has a story to say. Lastly, can we have the complete chart Please? > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > Ashwin > (A student of Astrology) > > Thanks > Hari > > -- __________ Win a first-class trip to New Orleans and vacation Elvis Style!. 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Guest guest Posted June 30, 2002 Report Share Posted June 30, 2002 Om Guruave Namah Dear Ashwin, Thanks for the mail and your inputs. My comments as usual are in Red - Ashwin Hirani Vedic Astrology Sunday, June 30, 2002 8:11 PM [Vedic Astrology] inter-caste marriage Dear Hari,Fantastic...!!!!!This is what i was looking for. A valuable comment from a learned memeber to expand my horizon and method of looking into the chart, to learn more and gain more knowledge. I have given my views after this sign => "Ashwin, Why 8th house? 8th house is where the marriage ends. Always remember that Rahu as Dk gives sudden and unconventional marriage. "=> But 8 th house is the house of marital bond also. Dr. B.V.Raman in his book "How to Judge a Horoscope" had said " 8 th house rules "Mangalya" or the strength of the marital bond". Now, affliction to this house causes marital discord. To remind you it is the 8 th from the Up-pada lagna that the second marraige is seen. Why 8 th because the bondage has to be regained in the second marraige. Correct me if i am wrong. Yes!.. But affliction to the 8th house does indeed cause martial discord in the sense that the marriage breaks. We are only talking of inter-caste marriage arent we? "No mention of Darakaraka? "=> Yes, it should also be considered and has an important stand. Thnx for bringing this to my notice. " Navamsa Stands for Dharma. So obviously the 9th house in D9 should be afflicted. "=> Not only in Navamsa but also in Rashi. "9th house rules "Saubhagya" or good fortune. Good Fortune covers not only material affluence but also a long-lived married partner." says the learned author in the book. Surely. The logical assumption of mine was that rasi is already afflicted. "7th house afflicted in D9 gives a pointer to unhappiness in marriage. "=> I agree with you. "What about the inter-relationships between AL, UL and A7. One can give a sure shot prediction about love marriage by seeing the connection between Al, UL and A7. => Thnx for the enlightment. But if you see in the chart (attached), AL & UL are in 2/12 relationship. A7 is the only one who has 9/5 relationship with AL but 6/8 with UL. Moon the Darakaraka is in 2/12 from A7 but 9/5 from UL. UL and AL are 6/8 from each other in Navamsa also. Now, in these conditions how can we say that the person will have love-marraige. I dint know a chart was attached... but largely a love affair can be seen from the co-relation between AL, UL and A7. Check D9 too with these parameters.Also, if i am not mistaken A7 is seen for partnership and not exactly for marraige though it does have its importance. Kindly throw more light on this. NO. A7 is primarily used to see the sexual compatability of a person. Now, this largely depends on the varga we are seeing. What does A7 in D10 show?"However, what does Sc being afflicted in your friends chart mean?"=> I think you forgot to see my see my next mail on this topic. In the next mail i have specifically mentioned that jupiter is afflicted in navamsa. The 8 th house is afflicted with Mars and mercury. The lord of the sign scorpio i.e. Mars is afflicted with Rahu and there is no benefic aspect on him in rashi. Also, he is in scorpio with moon being debiliated and aspected by afflicted 8 th house lord Saturn from the 12th. To add to this Jupiter the 7th lord is in enemical sign of Venus i.e. Libra in the 8 th hemmed between malefics Mars and Sun. Well, My pointer here is that if marriage related planets are afflicted esp in the sign of Sc, what does it mean? What does Sc in kalapurusha stand for. Watch out for the Narayana dasa of Sc. "Not to forget that Up-pada lagna if gets afflicted with rahu in rashi, navamsa or its dispositor gets badly afflicted can cause terrible problems in marraige. "=> Now, if we see this chart UL in the chart is not afflicted with Rahu. Its dispositor Jupiter is in his friends sign of mars - Scorpio. He is with his friend moon who is in his own sign of cancer in the 5th. Jupiter in navamsa is in 8th hemmed between mars and saturn. It does get aspect from Rahu(Graha Drishti) in navamsa but its dispositor venus is exalted in lagna and thus it will show the effects of its dispositor. Jupiter receives aspect(Graha Drishti) of Saturn who is the 9 th lord in the rashi from the 2nd in navamsa. Taking all this in context how can be inter-cast marraige be predicted. Is only aspect of rahu sufficient??? I have my doubts??? Kindly throw light on this. What little i have learnt from Gurudeva is these.... 1. UL lord and UL itself will show the status of the spouse. 2. Second lord from UL is imp for happy married life. Parasara includes children also. Remember the long chat session we had some time back? where you asked why 12th pada only? can you privately mail this chart in question to me please? "Again, see UL-AL and A7 nexus"=> Can you throw light on what does A7 Nexus means?. I am not able to get you. Kindly expand & explain more on this. "Each has a story to say."=> What is that?? And how to interpret that & from where??"Lastly, can we have the complete chart Please?"=> I was trying to support my statement by giving an example and not discussing the chart. Yes, the whole chart is very important and i have attached it. Dear Hari, it has always been informative to discuss with you. I look forward to interact more with you, discuss different topics, aspect, concepts and in turn learning from you. Keep dropping in your comments like this so that i can gain more (definately from the mistakes). Thanks for the kind words... but i am only a novice in astrology.Looking forward to your response,With Best Wishes,Ashwin(A student of Astrology) -- Best wishes Hari> - > Ashwin Hirani > To: Vedic Astrology > Friday, June 28, 2002 7:22 PM> Re: [Vedic Astrology] intercaste marriage>On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 16:46:32 >Katti Narahari wrote:>Om Guruave Namah>>Dear Ashwin,>>My comments in Red> Dear Unknown,>> Yes, planet Rahu plays a very imporant role in bringing an intercaste marraige. >> Now, as i mentioned earlier that 8 th house plays a major role in unconventional marraige. if 8 th is afflicted by malefics (not only rahu but malefics as per lagna and natural both) and does not get any beneficial effect, its dispositor is afflicted also or holds in his sign any planet which is related with rahu then also this occurs. Again we should not forget 7 th house, his lord and aspects of all kinds on him. > Ashwin, Why 8th house? 8th house is where the marriage ends. No mention of Darakaraka? Always remember that Rahu as Dk gives sudden and unconventional marriage. >> The navamsa here again gains a very major role. If navamsa also has rahu in the 7th or afflicted with rahu or a malefic then also it gets blemished and gives intercast marraige. > Navamsa Stands for Dharma. So obviously the 9th house in D9 should be afflicted. 7th house afflicted in D9 gives a pointer to unhappiness in marriage. >>> I remember a colleague of mine who was working with me. The 7 th lord jupiter was in 6 th and 6 th lord dispositor Mars was badly afflicted with Rahu. She had in the 5 th house venus in its sign Libra. She had a love marraige recently - she was a maharashtrian & the boy was a christian. Of course the 7 th lord was also afflicted in Navamsa. >> What about the inter-relationships between AL, UL and A7. One can give a sure shot prediction about love marriage by seeing the connection between Al, UL and A7. However, what does Sc being afflicted in your friends chart mean?>> One point to note. A malefic will not hamper his own sign. For example - it is seen that when saturn is aspecting his own sign aquarius / capricon which is placed in the 7 th then his aspect will not dealy the marraige / afflict him. Also, planets of functional nature and as per moon & Venus should be assessed. >> Not to forget that Up-pada lagna if gets afflicted with rahu in rashi, navamsa or its dispositor gets badly afflicted can cause terrible problems in marraige. >> Again, see UL-AL and A7 nexus. Each has a story to say. Lastly, can we have the complete chart Please?>> Hope this helps. >> Regards,> Ashwin> (A student of Astrology)>> Thanks> Hari >> --__________Win a first-class trip to New Orleans and vacation Elvis Style!.Enter NOW!http://r.lycos.com/r/sagel_mail/http://www.elvis.lycos.com/sweepstakes/ Get Free! astrological consultancy!http://www.sonipat.com/supraastrology/index.shtmlTo from this group, send an email to:Vedic Astrology-OM TAT SAT 1021197122.5000-5.30-73.5318.31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2002 Report Share Posted July 14, 2002 Dear Hari, Thankyou for your guidance and comment. You cleared many of my doubts off-the-list and i am enclosing the answers for the benefit of the list-members. "Yes!.. But affliction to the 8th house does indeed cause martial discord in the sense that the marriage breaks. We are only talking of inter-caste marriage arent we? " --> Correct ! We are discussing here inter-caste marraige and if we consider this point the discussion will go towards "Widowhood". "I dint know a chart was attached... but largely a love affair can be seen from the co-relation between AL, UL and A7. Check D9 too with these parameters" --> Yes, both D9 and Rashi/Basic chart should be seen with these parameters to get the true picture. "NO. A7 is primarily used to see the sexual compatability of a person. Now, this largely depends on the varga we are seeing. What does A7 in D10 show?" --> A7 in D10 will show co-workers. Well, My pointer here is that if marriage related planets are afflicted esp in the sign of Sc, what does it mean? What does Sc in kalapurusha stand for. Watch out for the Narayana dasa of Sc. --> As scorpio is a hidden rashi it will show problems with the secret organs of the body. Scorpio contains UL and 3 rd from it are malefics. Prayantar-Dasha of Malefics situated in the 3rd in their Narayan Dasa will brings in wealth. So, the person has gained money during Scorpio Narayan Dasa. "What little i have learnt from Gurudeva is these.... 1. UL lord and UL itself will show the status of the spouse. 2. Second lord from UL is imp for happy married life. Parasara includes children also. Remember the long chat session we had some time back? where you asked why 12th pada only?" --> Yes, i remember and has stored the chat regarding UL i.e. 12 th Arudha-Pada. With Humble Regards, Ashwin Hirani P.S.: If anybody wants chat regarding UL & the discussion on the chart in question, i will be glad to share. Mail me at ashviyn"AT"lycos.com [coz does not allow display of id] --- In Vedic Astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...> wrote: > Om Guruave Namah > > Dear Ashwin, > > Thanks for the mail and your inputs. My comments as usual are in Red > - > Ashwin Hirani > Vedic Astrology > Sunday, June 30, 2002 8:11 PM > [Vedic Astrology] inter-caste marriage > > > Dear Hari, > > Fantastic...!!!!! > > This is what i was looking for. A valuable comment from a learned memeber to expand my horizon and method of looking into the chart, to learn more and gain more knowledge. > > I have given my views after this sign => > > "Ashwin, Why 8th house? 8th house is where the marriage ends. Always remember that Rahu as Dk gives sudden and unconventional marriage. " > > => But 8 th house is the house of marital bond also. Dr. B.V.Raman in his book "How to Judge a Horoscope" had said " 8 th house rules "Mangalya" or the strength of the marital bond". Now, affliction to this house causes marital discord. To remind you it is the 8 th from the Up-pada lagna that the second marraige is seen. Why 8 th because the bondage has to be regained in the second marraige. Correct me if i am wrong. > Yes!.. But affliction to the 8th house does indeed cause martial discord in the sense that the marriage breaks. We are only talking of inter-caste marriage arent we? > > > "No mention of Darakaraka? " > > => Yes, it should also be considered and has an important stand. Thnx for bringing this to my notice. > > " Navamsa Stands for Dharma. So obviously the 9th house in D9 should be afflicted. " > > => Not only in Navamsa but also in Rashi. "9th house rules "Saubhagya" or good fortune. Good Fortune covers not only material affluence but also a long-lived married partner." says the learned author in the book. > > Surely. The logical assumption of mine was that rasi is already afflicted. > > "7th house afflicted in D9 gives a pointer to unhappiness in marriage. " > > => I agree with you. > > "What about the inter-relationships between AL, UL and A7. One can give a sure shot prediction about love marriage by seeing the connection between Al, UL and A7. > > => Thnx for the enlightment. > But if you see in the chart (attached), AL & UL are in 2/12 relationship. A7 is the only one who has 9/5 relationship with AL but 6/8 with UL. Moon the Darakaraka is in 2/12 from A7 but 9/5 from UL. UL and AL are 6/8 from each other in Navamsa also. Now, in these conditions how can we say that the person will have love-marraige. > > I dint know a chart was attached... but largely a love affair can be seen from the co-relation between AL, UL and A7. Check D9 too with these parameters. > > Also, if i am not mistaken A7 is seen for partnership and not exactly for marraige though it does have its importance. Kindly throw more light on this. > > NO. A7 is primarily used to see the sexual compatability of a person. Now, this largely depends on the varga we are seeing. What does A7 in D10 show? > > "However, what does Sc being afflicted in your friends chart mean?" > > => I think you forgot to see my see my next mail on this topic. In the next mail i have specifically mentioned that jupiter is afflicted in navamsa. The 8 th house is afflicted with Mars and mercury. The lord of the sign scorpio i.e. Mars is afflicted with Rahu and there is no benefic aspect on him in rashi. Also, he is in scorpio with moon being debiliated and aspected by afflicted 8 th house lord Saturn from the 12th. To add to this Jupiter the 7th lord is in enemical sign of Venus i.e. Libra in the 8 th hemmed between malefics Mars and Sun. > > Well, My pointer here is that if marriage related planets are afflicted esp in the sign of Sc, what does it mean? What does Sc in kalapurusha stand for. Watch out for the Narayana dasa of Sc. > > "Not to forget that Up-pada lagna if gets afflicted with rahu in rashi, navamsa or its dispositor gets badly afflicted can cause terrible problems in marraige. " > > => Now, if we see this chart UL in the chart is not afflicted with Rahu. Its dispositor Jupiter is in his friends sign of mars - Scorpio. He is with his friend moon who is in his own sign of cancer in the 5th. Jupiter in navamsa is in 8th hemmed between mars and saturn. It does get aspect from Rahu(Graha Drishti) in navamsa but its dispositor venus is exalted in lagna and thus it will show the effects of its dispositor. Jupiter receives aspect(Graha Drishti) of Saturn who is the 9 th lord in the rashi from the 2nd in navamsa. Taking all this in context how can be inter-cast marraige be predicted. Is only aspect of rahu sufficient??? I have my doubts??? Kindly throw light on this. > > What little i have learnt from Gurudeva is these.... > 1. UL lord and UL itself will show the status of the spouse. > 2. Second lord from UL is imp for happy married life. Parasara includes children also. Remember the long chat session we had some time back? where you asked why 12th pada only? > > can you privately mail this chart in question to me please? > > > "Again, see UL-AL and A7 nexus" > => Can you throw light on what does A7 Nexus means?. I am not able to get you. Kindly expand & explain more on this. > > "Each has a story to say." > => What is that?? And how to interpret that & from where?? > > "Lastly, can we have the complete chart Please?" > > => I was trying to support my statement by giving an example and not discussing the chart. Yes, the whole chart is very important and i have attached it. > > Dear Hari, it has always been informative to discuss with you. I look forward to interact more with you, discuss different topics, aspect, concepts and in turn learning from you. Keep dropping in your comments like this so that i can gain more (definately from the mistakes). > > Thanks for the kind words... but i am only a novice in astrology. > > Looking forward to your response, > > With Best Wishes, > Ashwin > (A student of Astrology) > > > -- > Best wishes > > Hari > > > - > > Ashwin Hirani > > Vedic Astrology > > Friday, June 28, 2002 7:22 PM > > Re: [Vedic Astrology] intercaste marriage > >On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 16:46:32 > >Katti Narahari wrote: > >Om Guruave Namah > > > >Dear Ashwin, > > > >My comments in Red > > Dear Unknown, > > > > Yes, planet Rahu plays a very imporant role in bringing an intercaste marraige. > > > > Now, as i mentioned earlier that 8 th house plays a major role in unconventional marraige. if 8 th is afflicted by malefics (not only rahu but malefics as per lagna and natural both) and does not get any beneficial effect, its dispositor is afflicted also or holds in his sign any planet which is related with rahu then also this occurs. Again we should not forget 7 th house, his lord and aspects of all kinds on him. > > Ashwin, Why 8th house? 8th house is where the marriage ends. No mention of Darakaraka? Always remember that Rahu as Dk gives sudden and unconventional marriage. > > > > The navamsa here again gains a very major role. If navamsa also has rahu in the 7th or afflicted with rahu or a malefic then also it gets blemished and gives intercast marraige. > > Navamsa Stands for Dharma. So obviously the 9th house in D9 should be afflicted. 7th house afflicted in D9 gives a pointer to unhappiness in marriage. > > > > > > I remember a colleague of mine who was working with me. The 7 th lord jupiter was in 6 th and 6 th lord dispositor Mars was badly afflicted with Rahu. She had in the 5 th house venus in its sign Libra. She had a love marraige recently - she was a maharashtrian & the boy was a christian. Of course the 7 th lord was also afflicted in Navamsa. > > > > What about the inter-relationships between AL, UL and A7. One can give a sure shot prediction about love marriage by seeing the connection between Al, UL and A7. However, what does Sc being afflicted in your friends chart mean? > > > > One point to note. A malefic will not hamper his own sign. For example - it is seen that when saturn is aspecting his own sign aquarius / capricon which is placed in the 7 th then his aspect will not dealy the marraige / afflict him. Also, planets of functional nature and as per moon & Venus should be assessed. > > > > Not to forget that Up-pada lagna if gets afflicted with rahu in rashi, navamsa or its dispositor gets badly afflicted can cause terrible problems in marraige. > > > > Again, see UL-AL and A7 nexus. Each has a story to say. Lastly, can we have the complete chart Please? > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Regards, > > Ashwin > > (A student of Astrology) > > > > Thanks > > Hari > > > > -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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