Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Hi Amit, Of Course GOD does.you haven't read it fully. There is nothing such as male and female.Got it. So you are not understanding Women at her physical existense or beuaty.I am telling you to understand her physical existense,a nirakar swroop and Why I asked women and not men,One best reason would be she has got a power to give birth to new ones and not men. First put in mind you are not studying a individual,2nd thing try to understand her inner beauty, but way to go is from outside.So beauty of physicality comes first, just for a time being and than try to go to 2nd level Heart chakra.Act is not important,It is a feeling that we bring in,in our LOVE towards other person. --- amit_call <amit_call wrote: > > Hi Sripal ji, > Good posts really.But i want to ask two things > ...... > GOD created all things ......how is it possible that > He doesn't > understand women. > One has to understand women to understand > universe....... > is same true for women herself??? > means women has to understand the women........ > > Well,continuing discussion i would like to add. > This srishti is divided into two main Tatwas: Purush > Tatwa and stri > Tatwa. > This life is for treading towards the path of > salvation. > Above all the feelings is the sincere feeling of > Jigyasa that is very > deep.One sees that all are completely unique but one > can't live life > with all people.Putting aside the fear,security etc > being the reason > for socializing this Jigyasa made Human a social > specy. > Person searches into others and learn the Unity in > diversity.....but > he needs someone who can live life with him.Apart > from emotional > security who can live with his experiences in > life.Knowing one can > give you the knowledge of whole world.To make this > arrangement of two > person living together for life God created the > magic of > attraction.hence two person in the sacred > institution of marriage > aspire to salvation by attaining Ektwa.(I have read > the article by > sri amritanand posted by you.that also matured the > concept for me.) > This Ektwa means when two person have reached where > they know each > others feelings without exchanging words and are > true in their > devotion for each others' progress. > This is in the path of mind towards soul. > the person living his life with soul only doesn't > need this process. > Hence the concept of sanyasa. > "LOVE is > > something which doesn't come from Desire?." > Also LOVE is above all feelings,all > relations,time,dimentions and > life. > > sincerly > Amit > > , Shripal > <d_shripal> > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Even GOD couldn't understand,so it will be unfair > to > > say I understood women. > > > > But in understanding them atleast you can find > your > > path towards salvation that I can say. > > > > World is a amazing place with lots of mysterious > > things around.There is not one but many paths > towards > > salvation which meet to only one path towards its > end > > and every one has to find that.So start Why not > > know.You don't have to change yourself for > that,But > > rather be compatible to a circumstance that you > are > > into.Path is close to you, and we are searching > here > > and there. > > > > Nature is very amazing place,if you study it > carefully > > you will find,what ever you give it,it returns you > > back.If you give Love to nature,You get it from it > > back in abundant.If you give > > anger,jealous,violence,you will get back too.So be > > honest with Nature or in other words Nature is > within > > you or you are into Nature,If you cannot see it or > > feel it, so try to experience it through someone > whom > > you LOVE,that can be your wife,GOD or anything > > particular in this world.But what is LOVE,LOVE is > > something which doesn't come from Desire?. > > So search for it,You will definately find someday. > > --- "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > You sound very wise from your posting. > > > > > > Have you understood women? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , Shripal > > > <d_shripal> > > > wrote: > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > > > > > Root cause of all our grief is desire.A man is > > > born > > > > and being he is born,while he is for 9 month > in > > > > Mother's womb,He swear's in front of GOD that > he > > > will > > > > fulfill, 4 > > > > things in his life and his aim should be go > to > > > Moksha > > > > and than only GOD will aloow his to come out > of > > > that > > > > very torture room of mother's womb,If he > doesn't > > > > fulfill 4 things that is artha,dharma,kama and > > > Moksha > > > > than he has to go through a hell lot of his > life. > > > > > > > > But when he/she is born, he forget's all those > > > thing > > > > and thinks he wons everthing and everthing is > > > > mine,even body and that desire of being in a > Body, > > > > which is degrading every moment in his life, > takes > > > him > > > > toward his own destroy path.So desire for > anything > > > is > > > > a root cause of all grief and desired person > will > > > > never go to moksha. > > > > > > > > It is better to destroy desire at its root, > and > > > for > > > > that you should know a root. > > > > > > > > I read somewhere this bharamand is compared > with > > > > women.You understand a women,you have > understood a > > > > universe and if you understand a universe you > have > > > > understood a women. > > > > > > > > A person see's s women's beauty from outside > or a > > > > person is prone to one's skin.One should see a > > > women's > > > > a nirakar swaroop, a unseen object in which a > > > universe > > > > lies or universe is in that or she is in a > > > > universe.Often you must have some to hear a > mukti > > > is > > > > feminie and not masculine in nature. > > > > > > > > Nature is in women or Women is in nature, one > and > > > a > > > > same thing.So many shastra are written on > women > > > and > > > > not on man. > > > > > > > > A ascetic person marries a Nature and Sansarik > > > person > > > > marries a sansarik woman.Both ambition is > > > same,only > > > > path are different. > > > > > > > > Ascetic is a long path without any > disguise.while > > > > sansarik is a path which has lots of illusion > and > > > > mystrerious,which one has to find and destroy > > > it.Root > > > > cause of all sansarik people is desire which > one > > > has > > > > to destroy it at it's root.Lord shiva was a > first > > > one > > > > to do that. > > > > > > > > To won a battle, you have to be in a battle. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amit & All: > > > > > > > > > > It's such a fascinating aspect of life, this > > > > > deterministic quality of > > > > > karma...and this freedom aspect of > 'life'.... > > > > > > > > > > The more I'm alive, however, the more I feel > the > > > > > realities of > > > > > 'both',....hehhehe > > > > > > > > > > I'm always aware of those patterns, those > mind > > > sets, > > > > > attitudes, > > > > > perspectives,....that must come from > limitations > > > in > > > > > the 'relative',.. > > > > > but each day that I meditate.... > > > > > I can feel myself getting more and more > > > > > identified,... with 'that' > > > > > which has no limitations... > > > > > > > > > > In the final analysis, we might say that > it's > > > > > probably true, that the > > > > > more we're indentified with 'that' which has > no > > > > > limitations, then, > > > > > we'll be living true freedom... > > > > > > > > > > but, the extent to which we don't identify > with > > > > > 'that', and the details > > > > > and specifics of our relative existence > > > dominate.... > > > > > and/or > > > > > over-shadow us,...then,.... > > > > > life is more bound... > > > > > > > > > > freedom ..... on the one hand....and > > > > > boundries on the other.... > > > > > > > > > > The choice is up to us.... > > > > > > > > > > Today, however, it's now possible to find > that > > > pure > > > > > freedom and > > > > > experiencing 'that',.....unfold it > more....and > > > more > > > > > into our relative > > > > > existences.... > > > > > > > > > > This is what I love the most about the story > of > > > > > Christ's miracles, > > > > > and the miracles of the Vedic Seers....and > > > Yogis.... > > > > > > > > > > My own Guru, says, these kind of miraculous > > > > > abilities, are really > > > > > just expressions of our true, full, > Spiritual > > > and > > > > > Conscious.... > > > > > potential..... > > > > > > > > > > When one can .... fulfill one's desires, > > > > > think,...and see those > > > > > dreams and aspirations ....come into > > > fruition.... > > > > > > > > > > one not only feels a success.... > > > > > but one also feels free.... > > > > > > > > > > And that gives us true....fulfillment.... > > > > > in life... > > > > > > > > > > What I love about Jyotish's contribution, is > > > that > > > > > .... our Jyotish > > > > > charts, understand our...selves.... very > > > clearly.... > > > > > > > > > > Our charts are how 'Nature' or the Guru of > > > Jyotish > > > > > sees us... > > > > > > > > > > The benefics are our strengths,....and the > > > malefics > > > > > correspond > > > > > with the 'things' that we've come to change, > > > improve > > > > > and grow > > > > > within.... > > > > > > > > > > The great advantage of learning our > 'malefics' > > > and > > > > > what they > > > > > mean,.... is we can stop....undermining, > and/or > > > > > sabotaging > > > > > ourselves.... > > > > > > > > > > Modern Psychology today, says one of the > most > > > > > difficult aspects > > > > > of life, is .... how we undermine and > sabotage > > > our > > > > > lives... > > > > > > > > > > We get these inclinations or patterns from > the > > > > > past,.... and > > > > > though we feel 'these' are who we are....and > are > > > > > 'right'.... > > > > > in truth, where we're not in-tune.... > > > > > we'll continue making mistakes,..... > in-spite of > > > how > > > > > we feel about > > > > > 'them'..... > > > > > > > > > > Then, along comes Jyotish and says 'these' > > > patterns > > > > > are > > > > > panamount to our 'malefics'.... and instead > of > > > just > > > > > experiencing > > > > > these 'negative' patterns....and > discovering.... > > > > > after the fact,... that > > > > > maybe we were in-correct.... > > > > > > > > > > either after an accident....or we get > sick.... > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish we have the great > opportunity....to > > > > > cognize.... these > > > > > Truths....before hand.... > > > > > and before they manifest....as our negative > or > > > > > malefic karmas... > > > > > > > > > > If we can only cognize 'these' patterns and > > > un-wind > > > > > them, then > > > > > we can turn our malefics into strenghts.... > > > > > and really.... > > > > > live the life that we were born to live.... > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the wonderful thoughts on freedom > and > > > > > > > > determinism... > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Kincaid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - In Spirituality_Astrology, > > > > > "amit_call" > > > > > <amit_call> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > The vedic way of living leads one to > Moksha > > > > > through > > > > > Awareness and > > > > > > action. > > > > > > We know there is predeterminism parallel > to > > > Free > > > > > will. > > > > > > Now this free will is limited to different > > > extent > > > > > for everyone. > > > > > > The limitation is determined by Previous > > > life's > > > > > Karmas. > > > > > > Soul tastes the fruit of Good and Bad > karmas. > > > > > > The events occuring to one may be > > > predetermined > > > > > but He is > > > > > free to > > > > > > perform Karma.We need real thirst for God > to > > > > > attain > > > > > Moksha.Means Real > > > > > > and only desire for Him. > > > > > > This can be achieved by soul if all of its > > > desires > > > > > are vanished > > > > > > leaving this eternal desire alone. > > > > > > Once a person suggested me : "Always > > > interospect > > > > > yourself > > > > > filtering > > > > > > out your unnecessary desires. Choose > desires > > > which > > > > > can only > > > > > be > > > > > > vanished through fulfilling them." > > > > > > We are always indulged in unnecessary > > > things.Be > > > > > sincere and > > > > > strictly > > > > > > work for those desires only which are very > > > deep in > > > > > you. The > > > > > short > > > > > > term desires may be more burning but they > can > > > be > > > > > eliminated > > > > > just by > > > > > > contemplation and Viveka. > > > > > > This way one will work more sincerely for > some > > > > > chosen > > > > > desires hence > > > > > > fulfilling them reaching the point of > > > saturation > > > > > or inner > > > > > > satisfaction... > > > > > > In Sooofi theory they say "Drink the cup > of > > > > > worldly desires to > > > > > > fullest so that your mind gets thirsty for > > > true > > > > > Love of devine" > > > > > > But desires are said to be growing in > > > multiples > > > > > everytime. > > > > > Hence one > > > > > > should work in such a manner that He > fulfills > > > > > desires and does > > > > > not > > > > > > let new desires grow... > > > > > > This is done by sincere life aimed for > > > > > Moksha.....meditation > > > > > gives > > > > > > this sincerety. > > > > > > Now while working for fulfilling these > deep > > > inner > > > > > desires which > > > > > are > > > > > > esssentially needs to be satisfied for > further > > > > > development one > > > > > should > > > > > > work Perfectly....Otherwise the desires > will > > > > > remain unfulfilled. > > > > > > Krishna in Geeta says "Yoga Karmasu > > > Kaushlam.."... > > > > > > The perfection of work is Yoga.... > > > > > > For this perfection of work one needs to > know > > > his > > > > > outer bodies > > > > > which > > > > > > are used for performing action. > > > > > > In performing Karma we are obstructed by > > > malefic > > > > > part of our > > > > > outer > > > > > > bodies.Here Astrology can help us in > > > identifying > > > > > our malefic > > > > > sides > > > > > > and improving upon them to do action > > > perfectly. > > > > > > Also Astrology can help us in identifying > our > > > > > unnecessary > > > > > desires > > > > > > which are also diverting us. > > > > > > As said by parasuraman ji " Paramatman > only is > > > > > Real and we > > > > > should try > > > > > > to cultivate a friendship with Him by > constant > > > > > dialogue directly." > > > > > > With a developed friend ship with God we > can > > > get > > > > > guidance > > > > > and > > > > > > patience always. > > > > > > We should remember its a long path ...One > > > should > > > > > be ready for > > > > > keeping > > > > > > patiennce . > > > > > > > > > > > > Humbly... > > > > > > Amit kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Spirituality_Astrology, > > > > > Parasuraman > > > > > > <parasu41> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > Desire for Moksha will arise only when > there > > > is > > > > > contentment > > > > > in > > > > > > material things. > > > > > > > Many people confuse Moksha with going to > > > Heaven. > > > > > Gods > > > > > are always > > > > > > jealous. They dont want you to improve. > That > > > is > > > > > why they > > > > > disturb > > > > > > penances by sending Urvashi, Menaka and > all. > > > > > Whereas > > > > > Paramatman is > > > > > > always ready to embrace you. Moreover, > Heaven > > > is > > > > > not that > > > > > good to > > > > > > aspire for. Vedas say "Durbhiksham > > > devaloka"-there > > > > > is > > > > > starvation in > > > > > > Heaven. They do not have any cultivation. > > > Devas > > > > > depend on > > > > > your > > > > > > offerings for their livelihood. > > > > > > > Paramatman only is Real and we should > try to > > > > > cultivate a > > > > > friendship > > > > > > with Him by constant dialogue directly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave <Demersonpws@a...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought.. > > > > > > > On 1/18 Mark wrote "There are many > 'signs' > > > of > > > > > spirituality > > > > > and/or > > > > > > > potentiality for 'moksha' in Jyotish or > our > > > > > charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think, however, the most important > feature > > > > > still resides with > > > > > you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked a meditation teacher one time > what > > > was > > > > > the most > > > > > important > > > > > > > quality for 'enlightenment' and he > > > > > said.....'Desire'.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Desire for enlightenment is the most > > > powerful > > > > > thing you can > > > > > do", > > > > > > he > > > > > > > said. > > > > > > > Thank-you, Mark. Another person > has > > > > > written,.."inherent in > > > > > > your > > > > > > > desire are the mechanics for it's > > > fulfillment". > > > > > > > Statements like this, passed on > from > > > > > modest souls like > > > > > Mark > > > > > > and > > > > > > > others are very encouraging and > appreciated. > > > > > > > Goodnight from the > east > > > > > coast(US), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To visit your group on the web, go > to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality_Astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To from this group, send > an > > > email > > > > > to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality_Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject > to > > > the > > > > > Terms > > > > > of > > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parasuraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit my Homepage: > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/parasu41 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life > > > > > partneronline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The all-new My - What will yours do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail - Helps protect you from nasty > viruses. > > > > > > ===== "Love is friendship set to music." 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