2-Shripal & All, Source...of ...Desire &/or sufferings, > Mark Kincaid...Quote: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

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Hi Mark,

 

What you are talking in term of our existence and in

that case you are very right.Thoughts are a root cause

of all grief.But thoughts exist because of desire.

 

Why we say you are male,she is female.Why we are bound

to time.In reality male,female and time doesn't exist.

There is no brightness nor darkness.In fact nothing

exist,that is a only truth and real truth.

 

Thoughts exist because desire exist.Something is still

there which needs to be fulfilled because of karma and

we are re-born,what is that thing desire,desire can be

for anything,So at higher level if you try to realize

it is desire,rather than thoughts.Thoughts are desire.

 

Who went to even Moksha they didn't desire for

that,they reached or were in such a state that

thoughts doesn't exist,they just know means they just

know.

 

AS Morpheus in Matrix Movies has said,"Don't think you

can,know you can"

 

--- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

 

> Dear Shripal:

>

> My Guru says, that used to be thought of as the

> 'root cause of all grief',

> however,

> he believes, that it's not the desire,...that's the

> problem...

>

> but it's the identification.

>

> "If you identify with any desire, thought, feeling,

> or perception, there's

> some chance that that desire is not in-tune with all

> the laws of Nature.

> The key is to develop the human nervous system so

> that whatever thought,

> perception or feeling arises, we spontaneously do

> the right thing.

>

> This is one of the greatest mysteries in life.

>

> Desire was thought to be the culprit, but in Truth,

> it's a lack of

> identification with our True, inner Nature. Not

> knowing who we are, and

> acting from a level of 'ignorance', is the real

> source of all sufferings and

> unhappinesses in life."

>

>

> I couldn't have said it better, myself...

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

> Shripal <d_shripal

> AyurvedJyotishYoga

> Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:17:28 -0800 (PST)

> Spirituality_Astrology

> [AyurvedJyotishYoga] Re: Desire

>

>

> Hi Mark,

>

> Root cause of all our grief is desire.A man is born

> and being he is born,while he is for 9 month in

> Mother's womb,He swear's in front of GOD that he

> will

> fulfill, 4

> things in his life and his aim should be go to

> Moksha

> and than only GOD will aloow his to come out of that

> very torture room of mother's womb,If he doesn't

> fulfill 4 things that is artha,dharma,kama and

> Moksha

> than he has to go through a hell lot of his life.

>

> But when he/she is born, he forget's all those thing

> and thinks he wons everthing and everthing is

> mine,even body and that desire of being in a Body,

> which is degrading every moment in his life, takes

> him

> toward his own destroy path.So desire for anything

> is

> a root cause of all grief and desired person will

> never go to moksha.

>

> It is better to destroy desire at its root, and for

> that you should know a root.

>

> I read somewhere this bharamand is compared with

> women.You understand a women,you have understood a

> universe and if you understand a universe you have

> understood a women.

>

> A person see's s women's beauty from outside or a

> person is prone to one's skin.One should see a

> women's

> a nirakar swaroop, a unseen object in which a

> universe

> lies or universe is in that or she is in a

> universe.Often you must have some to hear a mukti is

> feminie and not masculine in nature.

>

> Nature is in women or Women is in nature, one and a

> same thing.So many shastra are written on women and

> not on man.

>

> A ascetic person marries a Nature and Sansarik

> person

> marries a sansarik woman.Both ambition is same,only

> path are different.

>

> Ascetic is a long path without any disguise.while

> sansarik is a path which has lots of illusion and

> mystrerious,which one has to find and destroy

> it.Root

> cause of all sansarik people is desire which one has

> to destroy it at it's root.Lord shiva was a first

> one

> to do that.

>

> To won a battle, you have to be in a battle.

>

>

> --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Amit & All:

> >

> > It's such a fascinating aspect of life, this

> > deterministic quality of

> > karma...and this freedom aspect of 'life'....

> >

> > The more I'm alive, however, the more I feel the

> > realities of

> > 'both',....hehhehe

> >

> > I'm always aware of those patterns, those mind

> sets,

> > attitudes,

> > perspectives,....that must come from limitations

> in

> > the 'relative',..

> > but each day that I meditate....

> > I can feel myself getting more and more

> > identified,... with 'that'

> > which has no limitations...

> >

> > In the final analysis, we might say that it's

> > probably true, that the

> > more we're indentified with 'that' which has no

> > limitations, then,

> > we'll be living true freedom...

> >

> > but, the extent to which we don't identify with

> > 'that', and the details

> > and specifics of our relative existence

> dominate....

> > and/or

> > over-shadow us,...then,....

> > life is more bound...

> >

> > freedom ..... on the one hand....and

> > boundries on the other....

> >

> > The choice is up to us....

> >

> > Today, however, it's now possible to find that

> pure

> > freedom and

> > experiencing 'that',.....unfold it more....and

> more

> > into our relative

> > existences....

> >

> > This is what I love the most about the story of

> > Christ's miracles,

> > and the miracles of the Vedic Seers....and

> Yogis....

> >

> > My own Guru, says, these kind of miraculous

> > abilities, are really

> > just expressions of our true, full, Spiritual and

> > Conscious....

> > potential.....

> >

> > When one can .... fulfill one's desires,

> > think,...and see those

> > dreams and aspirations ....come into fruition....

> >

> > one not only feels a success....

> > but one also feels free....

> >

> > And that gives us true....fulfillment....

> > in life...

> >

> > What I love about Jyotish's contribution, is that

> > .... our Jyotish

> > charts, understand our...selves.... very

> clearly....

> >

> > Our charts are how 'Nature' or the Guru of Jyotish

> > sees us...

> >

> > The benefics are our strengths,....and the

> malefics

> > correspond

> > with the 'things' that we've come to change,

> improve

> > and grow

> > within....

> >

> > The great advantage of learning our 'malefics' and

> > what they

> > mean,.... is we can stop....undermining, and/or

> > sabotaging

> > ourselves....

> >

> > Modern Psychology today, says one of the most

> > difficult aspects

> > of life, is .... how we undermine and sabotage our

> > lives...

> >

> > We get these inclinations or patterns from the

> > past,.... and

> > though we feel 'these' are who we are....and are

> > 'right'....

> > in truth, where we're not in-tune....

> > we'll continue making mistakes,..... in-spite of

> how

> > we feel about

> > 'them'.....

> >

> > Then, along comes Jyotish and says 'these'

> patterns

> > are

> > panamount to our 'malefics'.... and instead of

> just

> > experiencing

> > these 'negative' patterns....and discovering....

> > after the fact,... that

> > maybe we were in-correct....

> >

> > either after an accident....or we get sick....

> >

> > In Jyotish we have the great opportunity....to

> > cognize.... these

> > Truths....before hand....

> > and before they manifest....as our negative or

> > malefic karmas...

> >

> > If we can only cognize 'these' patterns and

> un-wind

> > them, then

> > we can turn our malefics into strenghts....

> > and really....

> > live the life that we were born to live....

> >

> > Thanks for the wonderful thoughts on freedom and

> > determinism...

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> >

> > Mark Kincaid

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > - In Spirituality_Astrology,

> > "amit_call"

> > <amit_call> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > > The vedic way of living leads one to Moksha

> > through

> > Awareness and

> > > action.

> > > We know there is predeterminism parallel to Free

> > will.

> > > Now this free will is limited to different

> extent

> > for everyone.

> > > The limitation is determined by Previous life's

> > Karmas.

> > > Soul tastes the fruit of Good and Bad karmas.

> > > The events occuring to one may be predetermined

> > but He is

> > free to

> > > perform Karma.We need real thirst for God to

> > attain

> > Moksha.Means Real

> > > and only desire for Him.

> > > This can be achieved by soul if all of its

> desires

> > are vanished

> > > leaving this eternal desire alone.

> > > Once a person suggested me : "Always interospect

> > yourself

> > filtering

> > > out your unnecessary desires. Choose desires

> which

> > can only

> > be

> > > vanished through fulfilling them."

> > > We are always indulged in unnecessary things.Be

> > sincere and

> > strictly

> > > work for those desires only which are very deep

> in

> > you. The

> > short

> > > term desires may be more burning but they can be

> > eliminated

> > just by

> > > contemplation and Viveka.

> > > This way one will work more sincerely for some

> > chosen

> > desires hence

> > > fulfilling them reaching the point of saturation

> > or inner

> > > satisfaction...

> > > In Sooofi theory they say "Drink the cup of

> > worldly desires to

> > > fullest so that your mind gets thirsty for true

> > Love of devine"

> > > But desires are said to be growing in multiples

> > everytime.

> > Hence one

> > > should work in such a manner that He fulfills

> > desires and does

> > not

> > > let new desires grow...

> > > This is done by sincere life aimed for

> > Moksha.....meditation

> > gives

> > > this sincerety.

> > > Now while working for fulfilling these deep

> inner

> > desires which

> > are

> > > esssentially needs to be satisfied for further

> > development one

> > should

> > > work Perfectly....Otherwise the desires will

> > remain unfulfilled.

> > > Krishna in Geeta says "Yoga Karmasu

> Kaushlam.."...

> > > The perfection of work is Yoga....

> > > For this perfection of work one needs to know

> his

> > outer bodies

> > which

> > > are used for performing action.

> > > In performing Karma we are obstructed by malefic

> > part of our

> > outer

> > > bodies.Here Astrology can help us in identifying

> > our malefic

> > sides

> > > and improving upon them to do action perfectly.

> > > Also Astrology can help us in identifying our

> > unnecessary

> > desires

> > > which are also diverting us.

> > > As said by parasuraman ji " Paramatman only is

> > Real and we

> > should try

> > > to cultivate a friendship with Him by constant

> > dialogue directly."

> > > With a developed friend ship with God we can get

> > guidance

> > and

> > > patience always.

> > > We should remember its a long path ...One should

> > be ready for

> > keeping

> > > patiennce .

> > >

> > > Humbly...

> > > Amit kumar

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Spirituality_Astrology,

> > Parasuraman

> > > <parasu41> wrote:

> > > > Hi all,

> > > > Desire for Moksha will arise only when there

> is

> > contentment

> > in

> > > material things.

> > > > Many people confuse Moksha with going to

> Heaven.

> > Gods

> > are always

> > > jealous. They dont want you to improve. That is

> > why they

> > disturb

> > > penances by sending Urvashi, Menaka and all.

> > Whereas

> > Paramatman is

> > > always ready to embrace you. Moreover, Heaven is

> > not that

> > good to

> > > aspire for. Vedas say "Durbhiksham

> devaloka"-there

> > is

> > starvation in

> > > Heaven. They do not have any cultivation. Devas

> > depend on

> > your

> > > offerings for their livelihood.

> > > > Paramatman only is Real and we should try to

> > cultivate a

> > friendship

> > > with Him by constant dialogue directly.

> > > >

> > > > Dave <Demersonpws@a...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello all....

> > > >

> > > > Just a thought..

> > > > On 1/18 Mark wrote "There are many 'signs' of

> > spirituality

> > and/or

> > > > potentiality for 'moksha' in Jyotish or our

> > charts.

> > > >

> > > > I think, however, the most important feature

> > still resides with

> > you!

> > > >

> > > > I asked a meditation teacher one time what was

> > the most

> > important

> > > > quality for 'enlightenment' and he

> > said.....'Desire'....

> > > >

> > > > "Desire for enlightenment is the most powerful

> > thing you can

> > do",

> > > he

> > > > said.

> > > > Thank-you, Mark. Another person has

> > written,.."inherent in

> > > your

> > > > desire are the mechanics for it's

> fulfillment".

> > > > Statements like this, passed on from

> > modest souls like

> > Mark

> > > and

> > > > others are very encouraging and appreciated.

> > > > Goodnight from the east

> > coast(US),

> > > >

> > Dave

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

> >

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