Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Hi, Even GOD couldn't understand,so it will be unfair to say I understood women. But in understanding them atleast you can find your path towards salvation that I can say. World is a amazing place with lots of mysterious things around.There is not one but many paths towards salvation which meet to only one path towards its end and every one has to find that.So start Why not know.You don't have to change yourself for that,But rather be compatible to a circumstance that you are into.Path is close to you, and we are searching here and there. Nature is very amazing place,if you study it carefully you will find,what ever you give it,it returns you back.If you give Love to nature,You get it from it back in abundant.If you give anger,jealous,violence,you will get back too.So be honest with Nature or in other words Nature is within you or you are into Nature,If you cannot see it or feel it, so try to experience it through someone whom you LOVE,that can be your wife,GOD or anything particular in this world.But what is LOVE,LOVE is something which doesn't come from Desire?. So search for it,You will definately find someday. --- "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb wrote: > > You sound very wise from your posting. > > Have you understood women? > > RR > > , Shripal > <d_shripal> > wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > > > Root cause of all our grief is desire.A man is > born > > and being he is born,while he is for 9 month in > > Mother's womb,He swear's in front of GOD that he > will > > fulfill, 4 > > things in his life and his aim should be go to > Moksha > > and than only GOD will aloow his to come out of > that > > very torture room of mother's womb,If he doesn't > > fulfill 4 things that is artha,dharma,kama and > Moksha > > than he has to go through a hell lot of his life. > > > > But when he/she is born, he forget's all those > thing > > and thinks he wons everthing and everthing is > > mine,even body and that desire of being in a Body, > > which is degrading every moment in his life, takes > him > > toward his own destroy path.So desire for anything > is > > a root cause of all grief and desired person will > > never go to moksha. > > > > It is better to destroy desire at its root, and > for > > that you should know a root. > > > > I read somewhere this bharamand is compared with > > women.You understand a women,you have understood a > > universe and if you understand a universe you have > > understood a women. > > > > A person see's s women's beauty from outside or a > > person is prone to one's skin.One should see a > women's > > a nirakar swaroop, a unseen object in which a > universe > > lies or universe is in that or she is in a > > universe.Often you must have some to hear a mukti > is > > feminie and not masculine in nature. > > > > Nature is in women or Women is in nature, one and > a > > same thing.So many shastra are written on women > and > > not on man. > > > > A ascetic person marries a Nature and Sansarik > person > > marries a sansarik woman.Both ambition is > same,only > > path are different. > > > > Ascetic is a long path without any disguise.while > > sansarik is a path which has lots of illusion and > > mystrerious,which one has to find and destroy > it.Root > > cause of all sansarik people is desire which one > has > > to destroy it at it's root.Lord shiva was a first > one > > to do that. > > > > To won a battle, you have to be in a battle. > > > > > > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Amit & All: > > > > > > It's such a fascinating aspect of life, this > > > deterministic quality of > > > karma...and this freedom aspect of 'life'.... > > > > > > The more I'm alive, however, the more I feel the > > > realities of > > > 'both',....hehhehe > > > > > > I'm always aware of those patterns, those mind > sets, > > > attitudes, > > > perspectives,....that must come from limitations > in > > > the 'relative',.. > > > but each day that I meditate.... > > > I can feel myself getting more and more > > > identified,... with 'that' > > > which has no limitations... > > > > > > In the final analysis, we might say that it's > > > probably true, that the > > > more we're indentified with 'that' which has no > > > limitations, then, > > > we'll be living true freedom... > > > > > > but, the extent to which we don't identify with > > > 'that', and the details > > > and specifics of our relative existence > dominate.... > > > and/or > > > over-shadow us,...then,.... > > > life is more bound... > > > > > > freedom ..... on the one hand....and > > > boundries on the other.... > > > > > > The choice is up to us.... > > > > > > Today, however, it's now possible to find that > pure > > > freedom and > > > experiencing 'that',.....unfold it more....and > more > > > into our relative > > > existences.... > > > > > > This is what I love the most about the story of > > > Christ's miracles, > > > and the miracles of the Vedic Seers....and > Yogis.... > > > > > > My own Guru, says, these kind of miraculous > > > abilities, are really > > > just expressions of our true, full, Spiritual > and > > > Conscious.... > > > potential..... > > > > > > When one can .... fulfill one's desires, > > > think,...and see those > > > dreams and aspirations ....come into > fruition.... > > > > > > one not only feels a success.... > > > but one also feels free.... > > > > > > And that gives us true....fulfillment.... > > > in life... > > > > > > What I love about Jyotish's contribution, is > that > > > .... our Jyotish > > > charts, understand our...selves.... very > clearly.... > > > > > > Our charts are how 'Nature' or the Guru of > Jyotish > > > sees us... > > > > > > The benefics are our strengths,....and the > malefics > > > correspond > > > with the 'things' that we've come to change, > improve > > > and grow > > > within.... > > > > > > The great advantage of learning our 'malefics' > and > > > what they > > > mean,.... is we can stop....undermining, and/or > > > sabotaging > > > ourselves.... > > > > > > Modern Psychology today, says one of the most > > > difficult aspects > > > of life, is .... how we undermine and sabotage > our > > > lives... > > > > > > We get these inclinations or patterns from the > > > past,.... and > > > though we feel 'these' are who we are....and are > > > 'right'.... > > > in truth, where we're not in-tune.... > > > we'll continue making mistakes,..... in-spite of > how > > > we feel about > > > 'them'..... > > > > > > Then, along comes Jyotish and says 'these' > patterns > > > are > > > panamount to our 'malefics'.... and instead of > just > > > experiencing > > > these 'negative' patterns....and discovering.... > > > after the fact,... that > > > maybe we were in-correct.... > > > > > > either after an accident....or we get sick.... > > > > > > In Jyotish we have the great opportunity....to > > > cognize.... these > > > Truths....before hand.... > > > and before they manifest....as our negative or > > > malefic karmas... > > > > > > If we can only cognize 'these' patterns and > un-wind > > > them, then > > > we can turn our malefics into strenghts.... > > > and really.... > > > live the life that we were born to live.... > > > > > > Thanks for the wonderful thoughts on freedom and > > > > determinism... > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > Mark Kincaid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - In Spirituality_Astrology, > > > "amit_call" > > > <amit_call> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > The vedic way of living leads one to Moksha > > > through > > > Awareness and > > > > action. > > > > We know there is predeterminism parallel to > Free > > > will. > > > > Now this free will is limited to different > extent > > > for everyone. > > > > The limitation is determined by Previous > life's > > > Karmas. > > > > Soul tastes the fruit of Good and Bad karmas. > > > > The events occuring to one may be > predetermined > > > but He is > > > free to > > > > perform Karma.We need real thirst for God to > > > attain > > > Moksha.Means Real > > > > and only desire for Him. > > > > This can be achieved by soul if all of its > desires > > > are vanished > > > > leaving this eternal desire alone. > > > > Once a person suggested me : "Always > interospect > > > yourself > > > filtering > > > > out your unnecessary desires. Choose desires > which > > > can only > > > be > > > > vanished through fulfilling them." > > > > We are always indulged in unnecessary > things.Be > > > sincere and > > > strictly > > > > work for those desires only which are very > deep in > > > you. The > > > short > > > > term desires may be more burning but they can > be > > > eliminated > > > just by > > > > contemplation and Viveka. > > > > This way one will work more sincerely for some > > > chosen > > > desires hence > > > > fulfilling them reaching the point of > saturation > > > or inner > > > > satisfaction... > > > > In Sooofi theory they say "Drink the cup of > > > worldly desires to > > > > fullest so that your mind gets thirsty for > true > > > Love of devine" > > > > But desires are said to be growing in > multiples > > > everytime. > > > Hence one > > > > should work in such a manner that He fulfills > > > desires and does > > > not > > > > let new desires grow... > > > > This is done by sincere life aimed for > > > Moksha.....meditation > > > gives > > > > this sincerety. > > > > Now while working for fulfilling these deep > inner > > > desires which > > > are > > > > esssentially needs to be satisfied for further > > > development one > > > should > > > > work Perfectly....Otherwise the desires will > > > remain unfulfilled. > > > > Krishna in Geeta says "Yoga Karmasu > Kaushlam.."... > > > > The perfection of work is Yoga.... > > > > For this perfection of work one needs to know > his > > > outer bodies > > > which > > > > are used for performing action. > > > > In performing Karma we are obstructed by > malefic > > > part of our > > > outer > > > > bodies.Here Astrology can help us in > identifying > > > our malefic > > > sides > > > > and improving upon them to do action > perfectly. > > > > Also Astrology can help us in identifying our > > > unnecessary > > > desires > > > > which are also diverting us. > > > > As said by parasuraman ji " Paramatman only is > > > Real and we > > > should try > > > > to cultivate a friendship with Him by constant > > > dialogue directly." > > > > With a developed friend ship with God we can > get > > > guidance > > > and > > > > patience always. > > > > We should remember its a long path ...One > should > > > be ready for > > > keeping > > > > patiennce . > > > > > > > > Humbly... > > > > Amit kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality_Astrology, > > > Parasuraman > > > > <parasu41> wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > Desire for Moksha will arise only when there > is > > > contentment > > > in > > > > material things. > > > > > Many people confuse Moksha with going to > Heaven. > > > Gods > > > are always > > > > jealous. They dont want you to improve. That > is > > > why they > > > disturb > > > > penances by sending Urvashi, Menaka and all. > > > Whereas > > > Paramatman is > > > > always ready to embrace you. Moreover, Heaven > is > > > not that > > > good to > > > > aspire for. Vedas say "Durbhiksham > devaloka"-there > > > is > > > starvation in > > > > Heaven. They do not have any cultivation. > Devas > > > depend on > > > your > > > > offerings for their livelihood. > > > > > Paramatman only is Real and we should try to > > > cultivate a > > > friendship > > > > with Him by constant dialogue directly. > > > > > > > > > > Dave <Demersonpws@a...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello all.... > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought.. > > > > > On 1/18 Mark wrote "There are many 'signs' > of > > > spirituality > > > and/or > > > > > potentiality for 'moksha' in Jyotish or our > > > charts. > > > > > > > > > > I think, however, the most important feature > > > still resides with > > > you! > > > > > > > > > > I asked a meditation teacher one time what > was > > > the most > > > important > > > > > quality for 'enlightenment' and he > > > said.....'Desire'.... > > > > > > > > > > "Desire for enlightenment is the most > powerful > > > thing you can > > > do", > > > > he > > > > > said. > > > > > Thank-you, Mark. Another person has > > > written,.."inherent in > > > > your > > > > > desire are the mechanics for it's > fulfillment". > > > > > Statements like this, passed on from > > > modest souls like > > > Mark > > > > and > > > > > others are very encouraging and appreciated. > > > > > Goodnight from the east > > > coast(US), > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality_Astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > To from this group, send an > email > > > to: > > > > > > > > > Spirituality_Astrology > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > the > > > Terms > > > of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Parasuraman > > > > > > > > > > Please visit my Homepage: > > > http://www.geocities.com/parasu41 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life > > > partneronline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > The all-new My - What will yours do? > > > > > > ===== "Love is friendship set to music." 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