#2 Free-Will and Astrology.

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||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

 

Dear Bharat and List Members, Namaskaar.

 

Bharat, some thoughts below…

 

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Dear Suresh:

 

Hare Rama Krishna,

 

Surely one needs to have a strong Sun, Moon and 10th house he wants to

lead and show others the path.

 

[NK]

When I think of guides, I think of the 9th House.

 

Perhaps I am looking at it a bit more narrowly as compared to you, but one

instance is that a person may find guidance from those having their lagna(s)

mapped into the 9th Huose in their Rashi.

 

 

 

 

A strong atmakaraka would add to the

overall picture. Also subtle things like aspect would cause a lot of

things and physical perception of Arudha would show more things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If we closely observe the different houses and planets we can classify

them into 4 category of Yogas as explained in Gita. Once we

differentiate the houses into different Yogas we can precisely define

the path for an individual. However we need to first classify

atmakaraka and once there is a positive sign from there of a native's

true desire than we can see what path he needs to undertake.

 

[NK]

You are already familiar with the lessons of the AK in a chart.

 

What of the 7th from the karakamsa? Does this give us a better idea now of why

it is said that those with Rahu as the AK are very spiritual…?

 

 

 

 

 

For example we would put, Kendras into Karma Yoga; Trines as Bhakti

Yoga, (6,8,12) as Rajya (Tapaswi) Yoga and 2,3,11 as Gyana Yoga. We

can have natural karaka for different yogas and the how they perform.

 

Also we can classify planets and AK into different Yogas and see how

they work out. This theory is still in infant stage in my mind(dont

know if somebody has worked in detail on classifying the planets and

yogas). We can work further and see how it evolves. Maybe i can work

on and present a paper at SJC but i would need some concrete examples

to justify the research. Contributions from other members are welcome.

 

[NK]

Try to see which planets are in Quadrants to your Chara AtmaKaraka. Do people

having their Chara AtmaKarak as one of these support the lessons you are to

experience in this life, more easily, or…?

 

 

Just some thoughts for your research… good luck -- keep up the good working and

learning.

 

 

Hare Krisna

 

Bharat

 

 

[NK]

 

Side note – the houses 3, 6, 10 and 11 have been given as upachayas, or the

houses of growth.

 

 

Best wishes,

Nitin.

 

|| Namah Shivaaya ||

 

 

 

 

> --- Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas wrote:

>

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna,

> >

> > I will share some of my understanding on the

> > discussion of learning

> > astrology and for that matter any learning which is

> > initiated by the

> > free will of a person.

> >

> > I usually look at houses 2,5,8 and 11 for free-will

> > of an individual.

> > Of course we need to have a strong lagna lord and

> > lagna/paka lagna not

> > afflicted by malefics for doing some contructive

> > learning. If lagna is

> > forming Dhimantah than the individual has the

> > necessary intelligence

> > to pursue his interests.

> >

> > Also 2,5,8 and 11 form free-will of an individual

> > and hence if these

> > houses are strong the individual will find time to

> > pursue his

> > interests. Now natural benefics Jupiter, Venus, Merc

> > (Well-Placed) and

> > Moon(Waxing) in these houses will put an individual

> > onto the path of

> > learning. The lords of above mentioned houses if

> > natural benefics in

> > exaltation / mool-trikona / swakestra will put the

> > individual into

> > that art.

> >

> > 2nd house specifically shows astrology, it also

> > shows sixth sense of

> > an individual and also speech, the person is

> > satyavadi if benefics in

> > such houses and whatever he says tends to turn true.

> > We should look at

> > what planets are there and how the lord is placed to

> > confirm these. If

> > malefics the person is a liar and if benefics person

> > speaks truth,

> > talks about god. Also the kind of astrology this

> > person does is

> > indicated, we have all heard of people who can

> > predict using face

> > reading or just hearing voice of an individual for

> > example Yogi Karve,

> > people with strong 2nd house doesnt necessarily has

> > to learn astrology

> > as we are learning, over a period of time with

> > strong devotion to god

> > they can tap information from astral world.

> >

> > 5th house is more formal education of astrology,

> > presence of Jupiter,

> > Merc or Venus does signify learning of astrology,

> > also it signifies

> > deep interest in Mantra Sastra. The presence of

> > planets here show the

> > mantra devata for example venus would show goddess

> > laxmi. The person

> > with strong 5th house will invariably learn

> > astrology and mantra

> > sastra and his special ability will be recommending

> > remedies through

> > mantra.

> >

> > 8th house deals with mysticism, it includes

> > astrology, palmistry,

> > black magic etc. A person with strong 8th house

> > would invariably be

> > involved with these things but we have to very sure

> > of what kind of

> > planets are involved and where they are placed cause

> > we know the best

> > of jyotish (if benefics involved) come from this and

> > black magicians

> > and evil spirits (malefics involved) too comes from

> > this and hence we

> > have to be very careful and look at other

> > combinations in chart before

> > concluding the abilities.

> >

> > 11th house shows ur desire, your association, and is

> > also house of

> > gain. This house in its own wont show if you are

> > astrologer, however

> > its association with 2,5 and 8 would reveal a few

> > things also, it will

> > show what kind of lineage you are following in your

> > learnings. How

> > much support you will receive from others in your

> > learning process.

> > Generally we say all planets in 11th house are good

> > cause they will

> > end up giving something to planet but we have to see

> > at what expense.

> >

> > So a person with strong 2, 5, 8 and 11 will be get

> > on the path of

> > astrology if jupiter, mercury or venus is associated

> > with all 4 of

> > them. It signifies not only astrology but the

> > individual will have

> > knowledge of Gita, Sastras, Yoga and other spiritual

> > knowledge. Such a

> > person if he stays on the right path of God

> > Consciousness will

> > eventually be freed from the bondages of planets

> > cause planets just

> > indicate your karmic debts and once you have paid

> > your karmic debts

> > through different yogas as mentioned in Bhagwat

> > Gita, you will be

> > freed from the bondages of planets and you will be

> > forever be in

> > blissful state of god.

> >

> > This association with God can be seen from advanced

> > divisional charts.

> > The timing of when one reaches that blissful state

> > can be predicted.

> > But after that person as reached that state, no

> > planetary dasha or

> > transit can effect that individual cause he has

> > transcended the

> > physical plane guided by planets. He is in the

> > astral and casual plane

> > of existence which is not governed by planets but

> > rather god himself.

> >

> > So i would conclude that an individual must utilise

> > his free-will

> > indicated by 2, 5, 8 and 11. Learning astrology can

> > be a path to god

> > if one is sincere with his efforts and he can see

> > and judge what is

> > the message a particular planet is giving and use

> > his free-will to

> > grow.

> >

> > I have digressed from the topic i initially wanted

> > to write about, i

> > wanted to write about what makes one learn astrology

> > and which houses

> > signify it. No doubt houses 2, 5, 8 and 11 do so.

> > While writing about

> > that i got a deeper meaning of these houses and how

> > you can make your

> > free-will work for you. I know its not a well-edited

> > article but

> > nevertheless the message is to work on free-will.

> >

> > Thanks for reading and i open for constructive

> > discussions on

> > free-will, i am not the authority on it but we can

> > learn by sharing.

> >

> > Hare Krishna

> >

> > Bharat

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