My Experience till know ie. conjunction/or influencing, and aspecting....., > Mark Kincaid

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Hi Mark,

 

Your way of Explanation is always astonishing.It's

clear cut and to a point.

 

I have heard from you so many times,Wanning Moon

brings rough time for you.While if I talk about my

chart with Libra Rising Moon of 0.56 degrees in Pisces

with close influence of Sun that is of 1.40 degress

around.Yes I am Amavasya born,Mars along with Saturn +

Jupiter + Rahu + Mars in 11th.So Mars under a

influence of this many planets and than with it's 8th

aspect,influencing this very weak in degree MOON and

Sun.Not to forget All above Planets are in LEO and

Mercury is throughing his full 7th aspect on this

planet.

 

Comparing it with Transit.Moon comes in 8th

house,Exalted.But my Moon is influenced my so many

Planets,What so many, all planets.Except Venus that is

in 7th.As moon itself contains a quality of everyday

changing and too sensitivity.How one can ever predict

about me?.Not to forget Mercury -Ketu dasa is runing.

 

I myslef wonder my moon is strong or weak.So best way

to found out was,my relationship with my mother and

it's a Best of a Best,a son can ever expect.

 

Than I looked for a colour white that is associated

with MOON,As I told in my previous mail,In exalted

Moon,my religious spiritual guru arrived at my

house,those people wear white clothes.Being Mercury

dasa,I am more attaracted towards Green colour.In fact

a company in which I have found first Job and that too

2 years ago and I haven't changed it yet,that to

contains a logo of Green and Blue.That is

Reliance.Even buildings around here are Green and Blue

coloured.So I guess my mercury is also Good.

 

One more way to see that is I am interested in

Astrology and Reading lots of Books etc and Little bit

of talkative too.

 

My Mars is not that strong,As I am not at all

atheletic,Yes I do play sometimes,But not the way

atheletic people might be playing.

 

My Jupiter sems to be strong,As since last 15 years

not a single day has gone on which day I haven't done

my daily morning puja.Even if I have to go out,I will

do it prior to it.One more way to se that is I have

got real good spiritual gurus.So I will link my

Jupiter with Spiritualism.

 

My Saturn doesn't seem to be very happy with me,As

being a high profile person,still go to learn a lot,so

I can see everything,and even enjoy a little bit of

it,But cannot take it.Every thing is mine,But nothing

is there or no one is there for me.I am only there for

myself.Saturn has made me low profile,which I think

through my experience and let me grow,I will over take

that too.

 

My sun seems to be weaker,as frequently there is some

mis-understanding with my Boss.Or other way If I want

to describe a same thing sometimes I become

egoistic,too dominate everyone and looking for

authority etc.

 

How to consider Rahu in all this I don't know.

 

My Venus is a charmer,He is the only I have got,He is

a best,and aspected by my Jupiter,Best of the

Best.Good relationship with girls,woman etc.Good looks

and personality with good height.Manipulative

personality to prove my point.Everyday bus comes to my

door to take company and in evening it leaves me back

to Home.Life is cool in that respect.sometime I get a

chance to go with my friends in there Car.In parties

also I go,so kind of a reasonably Good.

 

Sometimes I feel ,astrologer make mistake in

predicting.For example if we some one's chart,Venus is

very strong,than that person will have his own car and

Good Home,also to see 4th house.But if it comes in

influence of malefic,than that person will always have

a problem with his vehicle or never want to drive

etc.Some sort of problem.

 

But if we see in other way,A person may not have a

car,But daily he is having fun in travelling a Car and

enjoying every bit of it,with no maintenance or

responsibility of a Car.

 

So whose Venus is Strong?

 

 

--- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

 

> Dear Shripal:

>

> Maybe we should use the word, 'influence' when more

> then 1 planet are in the

> same sign/house, and are 'influecing' each other.

>

> That makes it easier, for me, to then use the word,

> 'aspect' for what

> individual planets, 'do' in reference to places in

> the chart, outside of the

> house they're in....

>

> Also, maybe we should focus on the full aspects

> first, the 50% aspect or 75%

> aspect, I believe, is too complicated at this stage.

>

> But, understanding that every planet influences,

> like a Sun, anything else,

> within the 30"/ degrees.... of the Sign that it's

> in.

>

> So, my Moon does get 'influenced' by the Saturn,

> that's going on within the

> same sign, Virgo, in my 12th house.

>

> Jyotish then, describes the rules for that kind of

> 'conjunction'.

>

> Which planet is in the higher degrees, generally,

> 'wins', in dominance,....

> but as in my case, because my Moon's running about

> the 26th degree of Virgo,

> and my Saturn about the 10th degree of Virgo.... I

> do notice .... that 'it'

> feels better,...

> then, say any month when the Moon's getting closer

> and closer to say,

> Saturn.... the 'negative' influence seems

> strongest.... coming right up to

> Sani, and then quickly begins to diminish, even the

> moment, it starts to

> move to the other side, or beyond the degrees, of

> Saturn.

>

> These 'influences' then, get more complicated the

> more planets that are all

> in a house.

>

> When 'one' talks to more and more people who also

> have 3, 4, or even 5

> planets within the same sign, you sense,....that

> increasing drama....

>

> I have one friend with Sun, Moon, Saturn, Venus and

> Mercury, all in Cancer

> in her 9th house...

>

> She's both the sweetest lady but also a very

> complicated one....

>

> First of, Jyotish has these rules, about which

> Planets like being in

> Cancer....

>

> Moon for example, loves being in Cancer.

>

> Saturn, on the other hand, like the transit, we

> recently started in, ...

> often does not....

>

> Then, you add the complication of the Sun's

> presence, meaning she's born on

> top of a New Moon.

>

> So, the Moon's good quality, but completely small.

>

> Venus likes being in Cancer, Sun's okay, there,...

> and Mercury, or intellectualizing, is a little 'too

> mushy' in Cancer's

> energy....

>

> I notice she's a lot like these rules of the

> different Planets in Cancer....

>

> Oh, yes, I forgot to mention that Saturn is creating

> quite a bit of

> 'mischief' there.

>

> Most planets do not fare well with Saturn's closer

> 'influence', even when

> Sani's more positive, even in it's Own Sign, or

> Exalted,....it still acts

> like Saturn....

>

> I've been working with here, on her chart for a

> couple of years now, and one

> of the first break throughs she's been going through

> is understanding that

> all of her 'Cancerish' nourishing, which she loves

> to do so much.....is in

> fact, a little bit out of balance...

>

> In other words, she has this habit of liking to give

> to others, but probably

> because of Saturn's place in Cancer, she doesn't

> turn that same habit, onto

> herself...

>

> So, Saturn acts mostly malefically.

>

> We've then, been working most on that.

>

> And now, she's beginning to create more 'balance'

> with her Saturn.

>

> As she does that, then, the dynamics of the mutual,

> 'influences' of all her

> Planets, is starting to subside, more....

>

> At any time, when ever we talk about the 'aspecting'

> going on on all those

> planets in the 9th house, ..... we do talk

> sometimes, about the fact, that

> Saturn's 3rd house aspect upon her 11th house, and

> the important energy of

> acquiring wealth, or financial support, is strongly

> hindered, especially

> when Saturn's out of balance.

>

> It's a good inticement, telling her she'll actually

> attract more money, the

> more in-balance, she gets with Saturn!

>

> I also like Jyotish's point that in including

> 'Aspects', ..... when 2 or

> more planets are within the same house/sign, when

> considering Aspects, it's

> supposed to be true, that the Planets carry with

> their aspect,....the

> vibration or effect of being in such close proximity

> with other Planets.

>

> This means that 2 negatives, together, like say Mars

> & Saturn, because their

> patterns of aspecting are different,....

>

> Saturn's 3, 7 & 10 houses away while Mars is 4, 7 &

> 8.

>

> This means that when considering Saturn's 3rd house

> aspect, one needs to

> take into account, Saturn then, 'carrying' with it,

> Mars influence into that

> 3rd house aspect....

>

> And conversely, when considering Mars' 4th house

> aspect, then, one needs to

> consider, Mars' carrying with 'it', Saturn's

> influence into that same, 4th

> house....

>

> So, you can see how it's getting complicated.

>

> But, I find it important to understand each layer,

> soooo well, that when you

> start to consider, these over-lapping influences,

> they make sense, and don't

> confuse....

>

> See below:

>

>

>

>

>

> Shripal <d_shripal

> Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:28:36 -0800 (PST)

> Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid

> [vedic astrology] Re: 2-Shipal, & all,

> Aspect v/s Placement, > Mark

> Kincaid

>

>

> Hi Mark,

>

> If planets are together in a same sign,Than isn't

> that

> means they are aspecting each other and becuase of

> there mutual relationship that they develop will

> influence a place where they are placed plus where

> each of them is aspecting.

>

> yes, you're right.

>

> Again while aspecting they

> might come in aspect with other forces.So total

> prediction will change.Along with that there is

> transit and Dasa too involved.

>

> And this is why I said, we might want to get really

> familiar with the

> different 'aspects' of conjunction and planets in

> different signs, and

> how they aspect first, before we then, venture into

> how, these influences,

> will be manifesting within different dasas and

> transits.

>

> Simple rule of thumb, of course, is that the

> negative or malefic

> configurations in our charts,

> will 'probably' manifest negatively in both those

> 'malefic' dasas and

> transits.

>

> But, I'm so 'in, to' the possiblitiy of transforming

> our malefics into

> benefics, that I don't

> focus so much on the staticness of only seeing

> 'negatives' in, malefics

> effects.

>

> I think, now, today, that it's one of the most

> important areas, in Jyotish,

> to figure out literally,

> how any malefic can and is really supposed to be

> improved!

>

> Take my own Moon &/or Saturn in my 12th house....

>

> All of my life, both these Planets were very

> associated with all the

> negative associations one might understand; to refer

> to the Moon &

> Saturn.../ in the 12th house.

>

> But, wanting so much to feel better, happier, and

> less upset, lonely or

> isolated, I was very drawn to the progressive,

> up-lifting qualities, of

> things like meditation....

>

> And with each month, that I meditated, for example,

> the negatives of

> Moon/Saturn there, started becoming less and less.

>

> Then, when I started studying Jyotish and especially

> watching the transits,

> I again, became aware of how literally 2 weeks of

> each month, almost the

> entire Waning Moon period, 'felt rough' for me...

>

> But, I also, quickly found that as I learned that

> this period was like the

> inward, restful, period of meditation,.... and I

> allowed myself to take it

> more easy,....during this time of the month....

>

> my students said it was like I had Cosmic, pms....

> hehhee

>

> anyway, then, quickly I noticed that even this very

> strongly unenjoyable and

> even 'negative' time of the month, started becoming

> more positive.

>

> Now, after a few years at this, I'm happy to report

> that all the earler,

> negative feelings of this transit, have been

> transformed, into a much more

> enjoyable,....though distinctly, 'inward' quality of

> that Waningness.....

>

> Maybe we need to just regularly talk about

> transformations of the Planets,

> at the same time as we talk about the

> 'Understanding',....of the Jyotish.

>

>

>

> But in all this as I

> said when to mutual force combine we get totally a

> new

> dish for a lunch.So it can be good in taste or OK or

> bad.But when two forces combine through Aspect,I

> believe especially when two forces combine in

> aspect,

> A person's personality,attitude towards life,current

> event results along with transit and Dasa, his

> thinking ability all changes because of relationship

> develop through aspect.

>

> Yes, you're right.

>

> If I am wrong please clarify,Aspect is always 100%

> resultant good or bad,

>

> I don't think 'it's right' to say, 'aspect' is

> always 100%.

>

> There are those 100% aspects, and then, Jyotish says

> one

> can consider 80% or 50% influences, of the aspects

> too.

>

> Personally, I haven't found this level of detail as

> important,

> because most people haven't even come to understand

> the significance

> of even their complete 100% aspects.

>

> while placement is not,Because I

> read in some book,If planet is weakly placed than id

> doesn't give whole results,Good or Bad,no results at

> all.

>

> But if this weakly placed planets aspected by let

> say

> another weakly placed planet,may be trine(50%) or

> opposite(100%) aspect,So aspect can be never weak,

>

> I think we can say, an aspect of a malefic planet or

> malefic planets in

> conjunction

> can be 'negative'....and therefore debilitating, or

> produce 'weakness'....

>

> it's

> like these bodies give no results for placement

> being

> weaker.But in aspect becuase palcement is weak,that

> doesn't mean aspect is weak,Aspect works normally at

> 100% result,so even no result given planet aspect

> each

> other,they will give bad result,but they definately

> give result,unlike placement.

>

> Oh, I think I see what you're saying.

>

> Yes, I'd agree, the aspecting seems to be consistent

> at different 'degrees'

> of influence.

>

> But, I have found that the different 'aspects' that

> especially, Mars,

> Saturn, Jupiter & Rahu/Ketu,

> are supposed to have, do seem different.

>

> For example, the 3rd house aspect of Saturn, doesn't

> seem quite as strong as

> the 7th house aspect. Also, the 10th house, doesn't

> seem as strong as the

> 3rd house aspect.

>

> Though I haven't read much about these

> 'differences'....

>

>

>

> I haven't put it in proper way ,What I want to

> say.Let

> me come with some example.But I want from

> members,Conjuct palnet aspect each other isn't it?

>

> Again, yes, let's say conjunct planets do

> 'influence' each other,...

> though let's reserve the word, 'aspect' for their

> influences.... outside of

> the 30 degrees,

> of the Sign, and House, in which they're

> co-habitating!

> hehhee

>

>

> take care,

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

> founder....Nature's Astrology...."best of West &

> East"....

> /

> m.kincaid

> 641 472-0000

>

>

> ps.... went to bed last night with the Moon in

> Taurus..... and awoke this

> am,.... about 2:45am...

> with a lot of bliss and mmmmmmmm, and then

> wondered,....if Moon might be

> getting close to that 5th house aspect of Jupiter,

> predicted....

>

> and lo, and behold, Moon was at the 23rd degree of

> Taurus, while Jupiter's

> running now, about the 24th degree of Virgo....

>

> So, from Virgo, counting Virgo as 1,... Jupiter's

> most strongly influencing

> the same degrees, in which it's running, and in this

> case,...getting near

> that 24th degree, even in Taurus, is quite

> amazingly..... wonderful!

>

> Nice to find a positive 'aspect' for a change!

> hehehe

>

> I think it's so fabulous to have this opportunity by

> looking at our

> experiences, and even writing them, down.... we can

> see over the next few

> weeks,.... as the Moon gets closer again to where

> Jupiter in....

>

> whether,....Jupiter's influence 9 houses away, is

> stronger or the same as

> when Moon returns to Virgo, where it will again be

> 'conjunct' with Jupiter.

>

> I do find one other thing, and that is....depending

> upon how big or small

> the Moon, is.... the influence....from Jupiter, in

> this case, or other

> planets.... does seem to get influenced... by the

> inherent 'strength' of the

> Moon, too....

>

> For example, the Moon's now Waxing,....so it seems

> brighter...stronger....

> and it'll be interesting to see, over these next few

> weeks, whether,....the

> next Moon/Jupiter conjunction is effected by the

> fact, that the Moon will be

> Waning, by then....

>

> mmmmmmm

>

--- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

>

>

> > >

> > > thanks Mark,

> > >

> > > Y

 

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