Guest guest Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Hi Ramakrishna, When any planet is debiliated that means doesn't means it is weak,it is weak by just sign,if it is strong,it will give more of a negative result,as being debiliated.So even if it is aspecting 100% exalted sign, you will see a negative effect of that House,to which it is seeing. So planets being Negative is different thing and Planet being weak is different.Weak planet doesn't give result good nor bad.They are almost immaterial for that individual in that chart. As per my knowledge debiliation and exaltion is a quality of a planet that they have. --- Ramakrishna <ramki wrote: > Dear Shripalji, > > As u said the Planets can be weaker by the Placement > but not thier aspect , > According to > you benific debelited planets aspect are good and > they give 100% result. > If that is the case > its not to bad o have a debelited planets in one's > chart because they > aspect the exalted > positions ( opposite(100%) aspect) . please > clarify me, if I am wrong. > Regds > Ramki > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I > cannot change, > > the courage to change the things I can, and the > wisdom to discern > > them...." > > ======================================================== > > Ramkrishna A S > DBA/RM, > Wisor Telecom India Pvt.,Ltd. > 3rd Floor Royal Arcade, > 80 feet Road Koramangala, > BANGALORE - 560095. > Tele:+ 91-80-25525821/2/3(x4257). > Fax:+ 91-80-5536538 > Resi:91-080-23131396 > > mobile :98457 99943 > ======================================================== > E-mail : > ramki,dba > Web: www.wisor.com > > ======================================================== > > > Shripal [d_shripal] > Friday, January 21, 2005 10:59 AM > Mark Kincaid > [vedic astrology] Re: 2-Shipal, & all, > Aspect v/s Placement, > > Mark Kincaid > > > Hi Mark, > > If planets are together in a same sign,Than isn't > that > means they are aspecting each other and becuase of > there mutual relationship that they develop will > influence a place where they are placed plus where > each of them is aspecting.Again while aspecting > they > might come in aspect with other forces.So total > prediction will change.Along with that there is > transit and Dasa too involved.But in all this as I > said when to mutual force combine we get totally a > new > dish for a lunch.So it can be good in taste or OK > or > bad.But when two forces combine through Aspect,I > believe especially when two forces combine in > aspect, > A person's personality,attitude towards > life,current > event results along with transit and Dasa, his > thinking ability all changes because of > relationship > develop through aspect. > > If I am wrong please clarify,Aspect is always 100% > resultant good or bad,while placement is > not,Because I > read in some book,If planet is weakly placed than > id > doesn't give whole results,Good or Bad,no results > at > all. > > But if this weakly placed planets aspected by let > say > another weakly placed planet,may be trine(50%) or > opposite(100%) aspect,So aspect can be never > weak,it's > like these bodies give no results for placement > being > weaker.But in aspect becuase palcement is > weak,that > doesn't mean aspect is weak,Aspect works normally > at > 100% result,so even no result given planet aspect > each > other,they will give bad result,but they > definately > give result,unlike placement. > > I haven't put it in proper way ,What I want to > say.Let > me come with some example.But I want from > members,Conjuct palnet aspect each other isn't it? > > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote: > > > Dear Shripal: > > > > See below: > > > > > > > > > Shripal <d_shripal > > > Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:54:45 -0800 (PST) > > > Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid > > > 2-Shipal, Ramakrishna, & all, RE: > Aspect > > v/s Placement, > Mark > > > Kincaid > > > > > > Hi Mark and All. > > > > > > thanks Mark, > > > > > > Yes,exactly when transit moves over your natal > > > placement,so what is working,isn't it aspect > that > > is > > > working. > > > > I find there are two things here. > > > > #1, there's the effect when say the Moon moves > into > > the next Sign, > > say where Saturn is, 'in the sky',.... > > > > In 2 days for example Moon moves into Gemini, > where > > Saturn is. > > > > #2, then, there's the effect of say the Moon > moving > > into the same house, > > where our Natal Saturn is, 'in our charts'.... > > > > This can be 'felt' in the same way, though these > two > > different ways.... > > > > represent the Transits, vs. the effect of the > > transits, upon our individual > > charts....! > > > > both of which I believe are important.... > > > > personally I find the effects of the Transits, > 'out > > there', more intense, > > then say, > > when Moon moves into Virgo, each month, where my > > natal Moon is.... > > > > I'm so used to that, that it's effects don't > seem > > soooo intense.... > > but when the Moon moves into the space where the > > transiting Saturn 'is', > > that seems > > much more strong... > > > > Even if you have got exalted saturn in your > > > chart,when transit moon goes over it ,you will > > feel > > > lonliness,allof etc.When Mars hover your > saturn, > > you > > > are very uncomfortalbe with your situation's > in > > your > > > life,either you feel like destroying > everything > > around > > > you or just destroy yourself. > > > > See below:Yes, yes,...this is exactly what I > love > > about watching the > > transits,... > > after even 12 months, you'll be so much more > clear > > about what 'effects' come > > to one, > > through the transits, ....that... > > you'll be much more prepared.... to > > understand....'where' ....'these' > > effects are coming.. > > > > Then, in the future, we'll be more wise, and not > > 'blame' so much 'others' > > because of something that's either coming to us > from > > the outer stars.... > > or coming to us ....from our....inner stars..... > > > > > > > > So How did we lost a qualities of > Placement.How > > come > > > placement looses its theme and get more > influenced > > by > > > aspect. > > > > I've heard it described both ways....by > different > > astrologers.... > > > > I think it happens, when the general, > 'experience' > > of Astrology gets lost... > > > > Even though modern day, 'Astrologers' may be > very > > good at understanding > > intellectually, > > Astrology,....still it's not the same,....as > having > > learned to feel the > > Stars.... > > > > I think experience in Consciousness, in > meditation, > > has helped me > > emmensely,.... > > because I'm more awake, in the soul, in the > silence > > of life.... > > > > and the Stars, exist.... predominantly in > > silence.... > > > > In fact, at some point when I was 'watching' the > > transits, it occured to me, > > .... > > I hadn't heard anyone describe how,.... no > matter > > 'what' transits are going > > on.... > > > > whether it's a clear day, and everything's > feeling > > smooth,.... > > or a very rough day, and stormy....etc.... > > > > what I noticed, was .... within both > > days,....there's this incredible > > experience of eternal.... > > silence.... > > > > and 'that'....is the core, the essence of > life.... > > > > In fact,....the most important thing.... > > > > because it's in going to 'that',....accessing > > 'that', that any improvement, > > transformation,... > > can really be accomplished..... on the > outer..... > > > > > > > > Act as a modifier.Transit is a best way to > > > describe Aspect being more powerful than just > > > placement. > > > > personally, my experience is the opposite.... > > > > I experience, when 2 planets are in the same > house > > as being stronger,.... > > but that's not to say your experience couldn't > be > > the opposite... > > > > I find for example, that a lot of people > experience > > the dasas, stronger, > > then the transits,..... > > and that goes along with the classic Jyotish > > descriptions.... > > > > but for me, I've learned that 'I', experience > the > > transits, more > > strongly.... > > > > Also, ....Jyotish says that the 'transits' > should be > > looked at through the > > Moon chart.... > > but I find the Rasi chart, ....looking at the > > transits, via. one's rising > > sign, .... > > is more accurate for me,....and for many > others.... > > > > We all need to learn to experience....the > stars.... > > > > I am talking about when to mutual force > > > combine,it will always be powerful than just > being > > > alone.It can act as a destroyer and even > rebuilder > > of > > > your evnts in life.Life is not stagnant or > > constant > > > like Placement.But rather everyday changing > and > > who is > > > influencing that,Transit and How through > > aspect,isn't > > > it?.If i am wrong correct me. > > > > > Nice talking with you... > > > > > > Mark Kincaid > > > > > > > > founder....Nature's Astrology.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Ramakrishna , > > >> > > >> No sirji,What you said I have already talked > > about > > >> that previous.Same thing aspect is as good as > > >> placement means Venus when aspect from pisces > > gives > > >> same results > > >> as jupiter placed in pisces.that means full > > >> effect,not > > >> a quality wise,quantity wise effect will be > > maximum. > > >> > > >> When planet is aspecting some house, without > any > > >> planets in it,means effect will be equvalent > to > > >> placement.Aspect and Placement we are talking > > about > > >> is > > >> quantity wise and not qualitywise,That will > > depend > > >> upon mutual relationship,sign in whci placed > > etc.OK. > > >> > > >> --- Ramakrishna <ramki > > wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> Dear Shipal & All: > > >> > > >> This is a fascinating aspect of Jyotish, > ahhh, no > > >> pun intended, heheeheh. > > >> > > >> But, another really good way to tell whether > > >> 'conjunction', or when a planet > > >> is in a house, > > >> or opposite another house, or even in it's > > >> aspectings,.... is to look at > > >> these through the eyes, > > >> of the daily, weekly, monthly and yearly > > >> transits.... > > >> > > >> Watch the Moon for example. > > >> > > >> When the Moon moves through the sky and moves > > >> through our charts, especially > > >> when you can learn to 'feel' it, you can > start to > > >> realize...the real truths > > >> of Jyotish. > > >> > > >> For example, when the Moon is getting bigger, > > like > > >> now, and then when it > > >> moves through the different signs, and > especially > > >> moves into similar houses > > >> with other planets.... you can really feel > those! > > >> > > >> Take the up-coming Moon & Saturn conjunction > > >> starting in about 2 days.... > > >> > > >> Right now the Moon's in Taurus, and only at > the > > 3rd > > >> degree, so still a lot > > >> of Exaltedness, left.... > > >> > > >> But in a 'few' days, let's say 2 1/2, the > Moon > > will > > >> move into Gemini, where > > >> it will come within 30 degrees of any planets > in > > >> Gemini. > > >> > > >> Right now, Saturn has Retrograded back into > > Gemini, > > >> so soon, the Moon & > > >> Saturn will be conjunct. > > >> > > >> So, everyone watch how you feel.... now... > > >> > > >> and in 3, 4 and then 5 days.... that > Saturn/Moon > > >> conjunction... > > >> > > >> Then, compare these feelings with the > feelings > > that > > >> come next when the Moon > > >> moves past Saturn and into the next sign... > > >> > > >> That will be quite a shift this month/year, > > >> especially because the Moon > > >> feels soooo happy in Cancer. > > >> > > >> Then, for the next 2 1/2 days the Moon will > be in > > >> Cancer, it's Own > > >> Sign,....but then, > > >> the Moon will move into Leo, which is farther > and > > >> farther away from > > >> Saturn,....but.... > > >> > > >> the Moon will be in a sign, where it's > supposed > > to > > >> fall under the 3rd house > > >> 'aspect' of Saturn... > > >> > > >> See, if you/all, can feel that same Saturn > > feeling > > >> that happened when > > >> Saturn&Moon were conjunct, see if you don't > feel > > >> that same flavor. > > >> > > >> Then, when the Moon, continues around the > sky, > > next > > >> it will move into > > >> Sagittarius, which is the Sign, completely > > opposite > > >> to Saturn, in Gemini, > > >> and then, when Moon moves into Pisces, > Saturn's > > 10th > > >> House aspect is > > >> supposed to kick in. > > >> > > >> Experience shows which qualities of Jyotish > are > > more > > >> strong and give very > > >> practical understanding that will allow us to > > >> understand the same kind of > > >> 'aspects' and 'conjunctions', or placements > as > > you > > >> say; that are in our > > >> charts. > > >> > > >> Hope this helps.... > > >> > > >> Sincerely, > > >> > > >> > > >> Mark Kincaid > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ps.... instead of asking people to guess > about > > your > > >> chart, why don't you > > >> share with people, your experience which are > > >> stronger. > > >> > > >> For example, in my chart, I have Moon & > Saturn > > >> together in the 12th house, > > >> only 1 house away from my Sun in the 11th. > > >> > > >> Well, believe me, I can say with complete > > >> reliability, that the consequence > > >> of this 'configuration' has been very > striking to > > >> me. > > >> > > >> Plenty of feelings of isolation, loneliness, > > >> sadness, even depression > > >> growing up. > > >> > > >> And as I learned my chart I could 'feel' > Saturn's > > >> aspects into my 3rd house, > > >> and 6th house.... especially. > > >> > > >> Not only was I shy, due to the Moon being in > the > > >> 12th, but, my 2nd house of > > >> speech was very much effected too, and I was > > >> extremely shy in school, had a > > >> very difficult time getting up and speaking > in > > >> class, etc. > > >> > > >> But, I also have Jupiter in my 6th in Pisces, > in > > my > > >> 6th and at the very same > > >> time I had all these, problems of Moon/Saturn > in > > the > > >> 12th,.... I found some > > >> very good qualities due to Jupiter. > > >> > > >> First of all, I had pretty good health. > Secondly > > I > > >> noticed that Saturn's > > >> normal negative aspect upon the Sign opposite > to > > >> itself, was probably, > > >> improved due to Jupiter's simultaneous aspect > > back, > > >> upon Saturn and the > > >> Moon. > > >> > > >> I could also 'feel' all the good qualities of > > >> Jupiter's supposed influence > > >> upon the Sign opposite it! > > >> > > >> I also had many of the predictatively 'good' > > >> qualities of Jupiter upon the > > >> Moon, which was a clear example of the 7th > House > > >> 'aspect'. > > >> > > >> Then, there are the aspects of Jupiter. > > Jupiter's > > >> supposed to influence > > >> not only the Sign where it is, but also 5 > Houses > > >> away in addition to the > > >> classic 7th house aspect. > > >> > > >> And I could really feel that too. Jupiter in > the > > >> 6th, then, casts it's 5th > > >> house aspect into the 10th house, where I > have > > >> Cancer. > > >> > > >> And from as long as I can remember I 'knew' > that > > I > > >> wanted to be a teacher. > > >> > > >> First of all, I loved teachers growing up, I > > loved > > >> watching them, and > > >> admired them greatly. > > >> > > >> These qualities are good examples of > Jupiter's > > 5th > > >> house aspect. > > >> > > >> And finally, when I try and look and find, > > Jupiter's > > >> 9th house aspect, I > > >> find that Jupiter's supposed to be aspecting > my > > 2nd > > >> house. > > >> > > >> So, not only was I shy due to Saturn's aspect > > from > > >> the 12th, but, I felt > > >> also another influence which later I realized > was > > >> probably Jupiter's which > > >> wanted to be able to speak and express > myself. > > >> > > >> Eventually, as I learned how to diminish or > > >> transform Saturn's negative > > >> 'glances' into more positive one's, I began > to > > feel > > >> more comfortable > > >> speaking and eventually became quite > comfortable > > in > > >> front of a crowd, or > > >> even lecturing. > > >> > > >> So, I'm sure we all, will enjoy hearing about > how > > >> you've come to understand > > >> and experience your chart, too. I'd love to > hear > > >> your own private > > >> experiences as to the effects of the Planets > 'in' > > >> different houses/signs, > > >> and their simultaneous effects upon, opposite > > signs > > >> and houses. > > >> > > >> > > >> Sincerely, > > >> > > >> > > >> Mark Kincaid > > >> > > >> > > >> founder Nature's Astrology.... > > >> m.kincaid > > >> 641 472-0000 > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Shripal <d_shripal > > >> AyurvedJyotishYoga > > >> Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:30:57 -0800 (PST) > > >> navlakshya > > >> [AyurvedJyotishYoga] Re: Aspect v/s > > >> Placement > > >> > > >> > > >> Hi Jyotish Volunteer and ALL, > > >> > > >> Let's take this birth data of mine. > > >> Name:shripal > > >> Place:Rajkot,Gujarat > > >> Time:21:00 > > >> date:16th March 1980 > > >> > > >> 1)In my chart Mars + Saturn + Jupiter + Rahu > all > > >> retrogatin and placed in 11th house.All this > > planets > > >> are aspecting or influencing each > other.Correct. > > >> > > >> 2)In 5th house Mercury and Ketu are together. > > >> > > >> 3)However Venus is in 7th house. > > >> > > >> 4)Know planets aspecting first house are > Saturn > > >> 100%,Venus 100% + venus is a dispositor of > that > > >> house > > >> too and placed with Venus in enemy house. > > >> > > >> 5)Venus a first house lord is in trine with > Mars > > + > > >> saturn + rahu + jupiter,so all this planets > > aspect > > >> to > > >> venus is 50% mutually. > > >> > > >> 5)Mercury + ketu sextile with this Venus,so > > aspect > > >> mutually is 25%. > > >> > > >> So you tell me about my personality and > > >> thoughts,regarding my looks and approach > towards > > >> life.Which planet will be most influential > with > > >> rescpect, > > >> > > >> 1)1st house that is me,my looks nd qualities > that > > i > > >> have and i will achieve. > > >> 2)4th house that is my mother or staying > place > > >> 3)7th house that is my wife or partners > > >> 4)5th house that is my education,Romance and > > >> Mantra,Tantra etc. > > >> 5)9th house my spiritual inclination. > > >> 6)11th house my friends,relationship with > them > > anf > > >> gains. > > >> > > >> You give me predictions for each and every of > my > > >> above > > >> points and I will let you know how much truth > > about > > >> it. > > >> > > >> So we can come to conclusion what all houses > > aspect > > >> is > > >> more effective and where palcement is > effective. > > >> > > >> Which one is more stronger aspect or > Placement. > > >> > > >> --- Jyotish Volunteers > <primusjyotishi > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> Not clear why you called placement as a one > time > > >>> influence while > > >>> aspect is a longerlasting one. Please > elaborate > > a > > >>> bit more. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> navlakshya, Shripal > > >>> <d_shripal> wrote: > > >>>> Guruji, > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> That theory will not work here.aspect is > not > > >>>> influencing anybody.So your example I will > say > > >>> there > > >>>> is no aspect at all. > > >>>> > > >>>> Aspect mean you can do > something,influencing > > >>>> someone.when you are seeing means just > seeing. > > >>>> Planets just don't see,they influence.In > fact a > > >>> very > > >>>> very great influence.As good as seating and > > >> seeing > > >>> is > > >>>> same for them. > > >>>> > > >>>> But let me try to twist your Example,If > that > > >>> killer > > >>>> seating find he is a son of his Boss or His > > >> father > > >>> is > > >>>> bigger person.Than you tell me Aspect of > his > > >>> father > > >>>> not even in his presence,what will be > > >>> outcome.Aspect > > >>>> or Placement.So i guess who is influencing > whom > > >>> rather > > >>>> than just seating. > > >>>> > > >>>> And now if you are saying,even he know's > still > > >> he > > >>> want > > >>>> to kill that person seating beside him,than > > >> ready > > >>> for > > >>>> a outcome of aspect that is influencing > that > > >> guy. > > >>>> > > >>>> That's what I said it in first > posting.Strong > > >>>> Placement's of planets is like a one time > > >>> promotion or > > >>>> act of that movement instantly.Aspect is > like > > >>> constant > > >>>> movement increasing manner or detoriating > > >>>> movement.Placement is like switch on and > > >> Off.while > > >>>> aspect is like Volume button.It influences > your > > >>> daily > > >>>> life. > > >>>> > > >>>> --- "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu5> > wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Shripal > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Please tell me the outcome of the > following > > >>>>> > > >>>>> You are with a killer, a bad man in the > same > > >>> bus, in > > >>>>> the same seat > > >>>>> you are in a bus, and killer is in another > > >> bus, > > >>> he > > >>>>> is looking at you. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> WHich makes you more comfortable? > > >>>>> best wishes > > >>>>> partha > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> navlakshya, Shripal > > >>>>> <d_shripal> wrote: > > >>>>>> Hi sureshji, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> your Explantion and Prediction is > > >> wonderful.I > > >>>>> myself > > >>>>>> found aspect are more powerful than > > >>>>> Placements.Even > > >>>>>> when I have checked Let say Libra rising > and > > >>>>> Saturn in > > >>>>>> Lagna.so this person should possess all > the > > >>>>> qualities > > >>>>>> of Exaltes saturn,But in fact it is not > > >> there > > >>> at > > >>>>>> all.Considering all factors.Mars in 6th > > >> house > > >>> and > > >>>>>> aspecting this saturn.so this person is > more > > >>> like > > >>>>>> Martian,rather than saturn like.Even > > >> placement > > >>> for > > >>>>>> Mars is also weak,still aspect is working > > >> very > > >>>>> well > > >>>>>> than Placement of Saturn.As mars is enemy > to > > >>>>>> saturn,still it destroy what ever > saturn's > > >>> result > > >>>>> and > > >>>>>> imbibe his resuls in that individual. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I concluded that Aspect should be given a > > >>> higher > > >>>>>> priority. > > >>>>>> --- sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag> > wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Namasthe > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Yes Aspect of any planet is more > powerful > > >>> than > > >>>>> its > > >>>>>>> association. It is > > >>>>>>> said that if two malefics are in > > >> association > > >>> it > > >>>>>>> brings decieses and if > > >>>>>>> a third aspects it brings death. This > > >> could > > >>> mean > > >>>>> two > > >>>>>>> things aspect by > > >>>>>>> a (malefic) planet is more potent than > the > > >>>>>>> association of two > > >>>>>>> (malefics). Agin in another text > > >>>>>>> "Bhanuna Vasrija drishte dakshange arura > > >>>>> asrigbhava" > > >>>>>>> Saturn if > > >>>>>>> aspected by sun or mars will produce > > >>> eruptions > > >>>>> and > > >>>>>>> boils on the right > > >>>>>>> side of the body due to impure blood. > > >> (Cause > > >>> of > > >>>>>>> death) this sloka > > >>>>>>> further explains: "Guruna swayathupathe > > >>>>> dakshinange > > >>>>>>> cha vedana". > > >>>>>>> Jupiter produces swelling of the feets > of > > >>> pain > > >>>>> in > > >>>>>>> the body. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> There are many such examples which shows > > >> the > > >>>>> power > > >>>>>>> of aspects of planets. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> In the example given by you Saturn in > the > > >>> 8th > > >>>>> house > > >>>>>>> may confer long > > >>>>>>> life depending on the stregth of Saturn > in > > >>> amsa > > >>>>> and > > >>>>>>> sun . but one > > >>>>>>> cannot rule out the physical ailments > that > > >>> it > > >>>>>>> signifies. Please note > > >>>>>>> that Saturn Lagnidhipathy is aspecting > the > > >>> Karma > > >>>>>>> Sthana as well as > > >>>>>>> dhanasthana and is placed in the atma > > >> karaka > > >>> / > > >>>>> pitur > > >>>>>>> karaka Sun. Being > > >>>>>>> an enemy, he may face many problems with > > >> his > > >>>>>>> parents. Highly egoistic > > >>>>>>> and in always conflict with oneself. He > > >>> creates > > >>>>>>> wealth by his own > > >>>>>>> efforts. in fact jupiter and mars help > > >>> saturn in > > >>>>>>> this process of > > >>>>>>> creating wealth. (Saturn and mars in > > >> mutual > > >>>>> aspect - > > >>>>>>> Lagnadhipathy and > > >>>>>>> labhadhipathy) He may create wealth > > >> through > > >>>>> property > > >>>>>>> deals and > > >>>>>>> speculations (High risk) due to the > > >> position > > >>> of > > >>>>> mars > > >>>>>>> in taurus and > > >>>>>>> jupiter in mesh(Mars as adhipathy). > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> But he may expect some downfall (sudden > > >> and > > >>>>>>> unexpected) as the Saturn > > >>>>>>> is the satru rasi and Jupiter aspecting > is > > >>> also > > >>>>> 12th > > >>>>>>> rasi ord > > >>>>>>> (Vyayasthanadhipathy). > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> This person may not happy in life in > spite > > >>> of > > >>>>> being > > >>>>>>> a successfull > > >>>>>>> business man. (Sun - Atma Karaka being a > > >>> Sathru > > >>>>> of > > >>>>>>> Saturn - > > >>>>>>> Lagnadhipathy and Saturn being in leo > > >>> aspecting > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>>> Atma Karaka > > >>>>>>> griha's Neecha Rasi) > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Thank you putting such queries. give > your > > >>>>> comments. > > >>>>>>> Have no doubt that aspect is more potent > > >>> than > > >>>>> yoga > > >>>>>>> expecially that of > > >>>>>>> saturn . Remember Ravana had his > downfall > > >>> when > > >>>>>>> saturn in transit > > >>>>>>> reached his seventh house. I have seen > > >> many > > >>>>> persons > > >>>>>>> who were sitting > > >>>>>>> at the pinacles of their carrer/life > fall > > >> to > > >>>>> nothing > > >>>>>>> when saturn > > >>>>>>> traverse throuth 4th, 7th and 11th house > > >>> either > > >>>>> from > > >>>>>>> ascendant or moon > > >>>>>>> sign. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> May Lord Bless You. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Suresh Bbu. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> vedic astrology, > > >>> Shripal > > >>>>>>> <d_shripal> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> Hello All, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Planetary aspect should be given more > > >>>>> important or > > >>>>>>>> palcement,which one would be powerful. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Let say Saturn is placed in 8th house > in > > >>>>> Leo.so > > >>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>> Capricon Ascendant it is benefic.Now > > >>> Jupiter > > >>>>>>> placed in > > >>>>>>>> 4th House aspecting Saturn.So here > > >> aspect > > >>> is > > >>>>> Trine > > >>>>>>>> that is 50% b/w planets and 100% by > > >>> Jupiter. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> But being in Leo,it is in enemies house > > >>> and > > >>>>> 50% > > >>>>>>> aspect > > >>>>>>>> to jupiter,that is benefic,so Saturn > > >> thrid > > >>>>> aspect > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>> 10th house that is his own exalted sign > > >>> will > > >>>>> give > > >>>>>>>> benefic result or malefic result,by how > > >>> much. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Now climax comes,If Mars is in Taurus > > >> ans > > >>>>> ,Mars is > > >>>>>>>> also aspecting this Saturn 100% and > > >>> vice-versa > > >>>>> is > > >>>>>>> also > > >>>>>>>> true. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> So it will try to make Saturn act > > >>>>> malefically.so > > >>>>>>> what > > >>>>>>>> will be a Saturn's response.Good or > > >>> TooBad. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> ===== > > >>>>>>>> "Love is friendship set to music." > > >>>>>>>> "Love conquers all." > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Hi, 1)How you consider when is a planet stronger and when it is weaker for a given Lagna. 2)Exalted and Debilition definition as per you. 3)When planets are in friendly house what does that signify placement in house and sign. I want to know How you predict in charts.When do you consider planet to be stronger and when they are weaker. I am not saying Debilition means they are stronger or weaker,But they have more of a negative qualities and through that to other houses also they will pass those negative qualities.But I how much those negative qualities they will pass depends upon there strength that they have. Take a example chart,give your prediction and we will discuss on that. --- Ramakrishna <ramki wrote: > Dear Shripalji , > > Now I am totaly confused ,In your previous mail you > told me > that if Venus Aspects the Second house then it will > give the > results like that of the Jupiter , Now you are > conveying me > It will give the negative effect of that House.Can I > consider > like this ?if the malefics for a chart debelited > then > they are negative planets other wise they are weak. > > > Regds > Ramki > > > > Hi Ramakrishna, > > When any planet is debiliated that means doesn't > means > it is weak,it is weak by just sign,if it is > strong,it > will give more of a negative result,as being > debiliated.So even if it is aspecting 100% exalted > sign, you will see a negative effect of that > House,to > which it is seeing. > > So planets being Negative is different thing and > Planet being weak is different.Weak planet doesn't > give result > good nor bad.They are almost immaterial for that > individual in that chart. > > As per my knowledge debiliation and exaltion is a > quality of a planet that they have. > > > > --- Ramakrishna <ramki wrote: > > > Dear Shripalji, > > > > As u said the Planets can be weaker by the > Placement > > but not thier aspect , > > According to > > you benific debelited planets aspect are good > and > > they give 100% result. > > If that is the case > > its not to bad o have a debelited planets in > one's > > chart because they > > aspect the exalted > > positions ( opposite(100%) aspect) . please > > clarify me, if I am wrong. > > Regds > > Ramki > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================== > > > > "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I > > cannot change, > > > > the courage to change the things I can, and the > > wisdom to discern > > > > them...." > > > > > ======================================================== > > > > Ramkrishna A S > > DBA/RM, > > Wisor Telecom India Pvt.,Ltd. > > 3rd Floor Royal Arcade, > > 80 feet Road Koramangala, > > BANGALORE - 560095. > > Tele:+ 91-80-25525821/2/3(x4257). > > Fax:+ 91-80-5536538 > > Resi:91-080-23131396 > > > > mobile :98457 99943 > > > ======================================================== > > E-mail : > > ramki,dba > > Web: www.wisor.com > > > > > ======================================================== > > > > > > Shripal [d_shripal] > > Friday, January 21, 2005 10:59 AM > > Mark Kincaid > > [vedic astrology] Re: 2-Shipal, & all, > > Aspect v/s Placement, > > > Mark Kincaid > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > If planets are together in a same sign,Than > isn't > > that > > means they are aspecting each other and becuase > of > > there mutual relationship that they develop will > > influence a place where they are placed plus > where > > each of them is aspecting.Again while aspecting > > they > > might come in aspect with other forces.So total > > prediction will change.Along with that there is > > transit and Dasa too involved.But in all this as > I > > said when to mutual force combine we get totally > a > > new > > dish for a lunch.So it can be good in taste or > OK > > or > > bad.But when two forces combine through Aspect,I > > believe especially when two forces combine in > > aspect, > > A person's personality,attitude towards > > life,current > > event results along with transit and Dasa, his > > thinking ability all changes because of > > relationship > > develop through aspect. > > > > If I am wrong please clarify,Aspect is always > 100% > > resultant good or bad,while placement is > > not,Because I > > read in some book,If planet is weakly placed > than > > id > > doesn't give whole results,Good or Bad,no > results > > at > > all. > > > > But if this weakly placed planets aspected by > let > > say > > another weakly placed planet,may be trine(50%) > or > > opposite(100%) aspect,So aspect can be never > > weak,it's > > like these bodies give no results for placement > > being > > weaker.But in aspect becuase palcement is > > weak,that > > doesn't mean aspect is weak,Aspect works > normally > > at > > 100% result,so even no result given planet > aspect > > each > > other,they will give bad result,but they > > definately > > give result,unlike placement. > > > > I haven't put it in proper way ,What I want to > > say.Let > > me come with some example.But I want from > > members,Conjuct palnet aspect each other isn't > it? > > > > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote: > > > > > Dear Shripal: > > > > > > See below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shripal <d_shripal > > > > Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:54:45 -0800 (PST) > > > > Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid > > > > 2-Shipal, Ramakrishna, & all, RE: > > Aspect > > > v/s Placement, > Mark > > > > Kincaid > > > > > > > > Hi Mark and All. > > > > > > > > thanks Mark, > > > > > > > > Yes,exactly when transit moves over your > natal > > > > placement,so what is working,isn't it aspect > > that > > > is > > > > working. > > > > > > I find there are two things here. > > > > > > #1, there's the effect when say the Moon moves > > into > > > the next Sign, > > > say where Saturn is, 'in the sky',.... > > > > > > In 2 days for example Moon moves into Gemini, > > where > > > Saturn is. > > > > > > #2, then, there's the effect of say the Moon > > moving > > > into the same house, > > > where our Natal Saturn is, 'in our charts'.... > > > > > > This can be 'felt' in the same way, though > these > > two > > > different ways.... > > > > > > represent the Transits, vs. the effect of the > > > transits, upon our individual > > > charts....! > > > > > > both of which I believe are important.... > > > > > > personally I find the effects of the Transits, > > 'out > > > there', more intense, > > > then say, > > > when Moon moves into Virgo, each month, where > my > > > natal Moon is.... > > > > > > I'm so used to that, that it's effects don't > > seem > > > soooo intense.... > > > but when the Moon moves into the space where > the > > > transiting Saturn 'is', > > > that seems > > > much more strong... > > > > > > Even if you have got exalted saturn in your > > > > chart,when transit moon goes over it ,you > will > > > feel > > > > lonliness,allof etc.When Mars hover your > > saturn, > > > you > > > > are very uncomfortalbe with your situation's > > in > > > your > > > > life,either you feel like destroying > > everything > > > around > > > > you or just destroy yourself. > > > > > > See below:Yes, yes,...this is exactly what I > > love > > > about watching the > > > transits,... > > > after even 12 months, you'll be so much more > > clear > > > about what 'effects' come > > > to one, > > > through the transits, ....that... > > > you'll be much more prepared.... to > > > understand....'where' ....'these' > > > effects are coming.. > > > > > > Then, in the future, we'll be more wise, and > not > > > 'blame' so much 'others' > > > because of something that's either coming to > us > > from > > > the outer stars.... > > > or coming to us ....from our....inner > stars..... > > > > > > > > > > > So How did we lost a qualities of > > Placement.How > > > come > > > > placement looses its theme and get more > > influenced > > > by > > > > aspect. > > > > > > I've heard it described both ways....by > > different > > > astrologers.... > > > > > > I think it happens, when the general, > > 'experience' > > > of Astrology gets lost... > > > > > > Even though modern day, 'Astrologers' may be > > very > > > good at understanding > > > intellectually, > > > Astrology,....still it's not the same,....as > > having > > > learned to feel the > > > Stars.... > > > > > > I think experience in Consciousness, in > > meditation, > > > has helped me > > > emmensely,.... > > > because I'm more awake, in the soul, in the > > silence > > > of life.... > > > > > > and the Stars, exist.... predominantly in > > > silence.... > > > > > > In fact, at some point when I was 'watching' > the > > > transits, it occured to me, > > > .... > > > I hadn't heard anyone describe how,.... no > > matter > > > 'what' transits are going > > > on.... > > > > > > whether it's a clear day, and everything's > > feeling > > > smooth,.... > > > or a very rough day, and stormy....etc.... > > > > > > what I noticed, was .... within both > > > days,....there's this incredible > > > experience of eternal.... > > > silence.... > > > > > > and 'that'....is the core, the essence of > > life.... > > > > > > In fact,....the most important thing.... > > > > > > because it's in going to 'that',....accessing > > > 'that', that any improvement, > > > transformation,... > > > can really be accomplished..... on the > > outer..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Act as a modifier.Transit is a best way to > > > > describe Aspect being more powerful than > just > > > > placement. > > > > > > personally, my experience is the opposite.... > > > > > > I experience, when 2 planets are in the same > > house > > > as being stronger,.... > > > but that's not to say your experience couldn't > > be > > > the opposite... > > > > > > I find for example, that a lot of people > > experience > > > the dasas, stronger, > > > then the transits,..... > > > and that goes along with the classic Jyotish > > > descriptions.... > > > > > > but for me, I've learned that 'I', experience > > the > > > transits, more > > > strongly.... > > > > > > Also, ....Jyotish says that the 'transits' > > should be > > > looked at through the > > > Moon chart.... > > > but I find the Rasi chart, ....looking at the > > > transits, via. one's rising > > > sign, .... > > > is more accurate for me,....and for many > > others.... > > > > > > We all need to learn to experience....the > > stars.... > > > > > > I am talking about when to mutual force > > > > combine,it will always be powerful than just > > being > > > > alone.It can act as a destroyer and even > > rebuilder > > > of > > > > your evnts in life.Life is not stagnant or > > > constant > > > > like Placement.But rather everyday changing > > and > > > who is > > > > influencing that,Transit and How through > > > aspect,isn't > > > > it?.If i am wrong correct me. > > > > > > > Nice talking with you... > > > > > > > > > Mark Kincaid > > > > > > > > > > > > founder....Nature's Astrology.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hi Ramakrishna , > > > >> > > > >> No sirji,What you said I have already > talked > > > about > > > >> that previous.Same thing aspect is as good > as > > > >> placement means Venus when aspect from > pisces > > > gives > > > >> same results > > > >> as jupiter placed in pisces.that means full > > > >> effect,not > > > >> a quality wise,quantity wise effect will be > > > maximum. > > > >> > > > >> When planet is aspecting some house, > without > > any > > > >> planets in it,means effect will be > equvalent > > to > > > >> placement.Aspect and Placement we are > talking > > > about > > > >> is > > > >> quantity wise and not qualitywise,That will > > > depend > > > >> upon mutual relationship,sign in whci > placed > > > etc.OK. > > > >> > > > >> --- Ramakrishna <ramki > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Dear Shipal & All: > > > >> > > > >> This is a fascinating aspect of Jyotish, > > ahhh, no > > > >> pun intended, heheeheh. > > > >> > > > >> But, another really good way to tell > whether > > > >> 'conjunction', or when a planet > > > >> is in a house, > > > >> or opposite another house, or even in it's > > > >> aspectings,.... is to look at > > > >> these through the eyes, > > > >> of the daily, weekly, monthly and yearly > > > >> transits.... > > > >> > > > >> Watch the Moon for example. > > > >> > > > >> When the Moon moves through the sky and > moves > > > >> through our charts, especially > > > >> when you can learn to 'feel' it, you can > > start to > > > >> realize...the real truths > > > >> of Jyotish. > > > >> > > > >> For example, when the Moon is getting > bigger, > > > like > > > >> now, and then when it > > > >> moves through the different signs, and > > especially > > > >> moves into similar houses > > > >> with other planets.... you can really feel > > those! > > > >> > > > >> Take the up-coming Moon & Saturn > conjunction > > > >> starting in about 2 days.... > > > >> > > > >> Right now the Moon's in Taurus, and only at > > the > > > 3rd > > > >> degree, so still a lot > > > >> of Exaltedness, left.... > > > >> > > > >> But in a 'few' days, let's say 2 1/2, the > > Moon > > > will > > > >> move into Gemini, where > > > >> it will come within 30 degrees of any > planets > > in > > > >> Gemini. > > > >> > > > >> Right now, Saturn has Retrograded back into > > > Gemini, > > > >> so soon, the Moon & > > > >> Saturn will be conjunct. > > > >> > > > >> So, everyone watch how you feel.... now... > > > >> > > > >> and in 3, 4 and then 5 days.... that > > Saturn/Moon > > > >> conjunction... > > > >> > > > >> Then, compare these feelings with the > > feelings > > > that > > > >> come next when the Moon > > > >> moves past Saturn and into the next sign... > > > >> > > > >> That will be quite a shift this month/year, > > > >> especially because the Moon > > > >> feels soooo happy in Cancer. > > > >> > > > >> Then, for the next 2 1/2 days the Moon will > > be in > > > >> Cancer, it's Own > > > >> Sign,....but then, > > > >> the Moon will move into Leo, which is > farther > > and > > > >> farther away from > > > >> Saturn,....but.... > > > >> > > > >> the Moon will be in a sign, where it's > > supposed > > > to > > > >> fall under the 3rd house > > > >> 'aspect' of Saturn... > > > >> > > > >> See, if you/all, can feel that same Saturn > > > feeling > > > >> that happened when > > > >> Saturn&Moon were conjunct, see if you don't > > feel > > > >> that same flavor. > > > >> > > > >> Then, when the Moon, continues around the > > sky, > > > next > > > >> it will move into > > > >> Sagittarius, which is the Sign, completely > > > opposite > > > >> to Saturn, in Gemini, > > > >> and then, when Moon moves into Pisces, > > Saturn's > > > 10th > > > >> House aspect is > > > >> supposed to kick in. > > > >> > > > >> Experience shows which qualities of Jyotish > > are > > > more > > > >> strong and give very > > > >> practical understanding that will allow us > to > > > >> understand the same kind of > > > >> 'aspects' and 'conjunctions', or placements > > as > > > you > > > >> say; that are in our > > > >> charts. > > > >> > > > >> Hope this helps.... > > > >> > > > >> Sincerely, > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Mark Kincaid > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ps.... instead of asking people to guess > > about > > > your > > > >> chart, why don't you > > > >> share with people, your experience which > are > > > >> stronger. > > > >> > > > >> For example, in my chart, I have Moon & > > Saturn > > > >> together in the 12th house, > > > >> only 1 house away from my Sun in the 11th. > > > >> > > > >> Well, believe me, I can say with complete > > > >> reliability, that the consequence > > > >> of this 'configuration' has been very > > striking to > > > >> me. > > > >> > > > >> Plenty of feelings of isolation, > loneliness, > > > >> sadness, even depression > > > >> growing up. > > > >> > > > >> And as I learned my chart I could 'feel' > > Saturn's > > > >> aspects into my 3rd house, > > > >> and 6th house.... especially. > > > >> > > > >> Not only was I shy, due to the Moon being > in > > the > > > >> 12th, but, my 2nd house of > > > >> speech was very much effected too, and I > was > > > >> extremely shy in school, had a > > > >> very difficult time getting up and speaking > > in > > > >> class, etc. > > > >> > > > >> But, I also have Jupiter in my 6th in > Pisces, > > in > > > my > > > >> 6th and at the very same > > > >> time I had all these, problems of > Moon/Saturn > > in > > > the > > > >> 12th,.... I found some > > > >> very good qualities due to Jupiter. > > > >> > > > >> First of all, I had pretty good health. > > Secondly > > > I > > > >> noticed that Saturn's > > > >> normal negative aspect upon the Sign > opposite > > to > > > >> itself, was probably, > > > >> improved due to Jupiter's simultaneous > aspect > > > back, > > > >> upon Saturn and the > > > >> Moon. > > > >> > > > >> I could also 'feel' all the good qualities > of > > > >> Jupiter's supposed influence > > > >> upon the Sign opposite it! > > > >> > > > >> I also had many of the predictatively > 'good' > > > >> qualities of Jupiter upon the > > > >> Moon, which was a clear example of the 7th > > House > > > >> 'aspect'. > > > >> > > > >> Then, there are the aspects of Jupiter. > > > Jupiter's > > > >> supposed to influence > > > >> not only the Sign where it is, but also 5 > > Houses > > > >> away in addition to the > > > >> classic 7th house aspect. > > > >> > > > >> And I could really feel that too. Jupiter > in > > the > > > >> 6th, then, casts it's 5th > > > >> house aspect into the 10th house, where I > > have > > > >> Cancer. > > > >> > > > >> And from as long as I can remember I 'knew' > > that > > > I > > > >> wanted to be a teacher. > > > >> > > > >> First of all, I loved teachers growing up, > I > > > loved > > > >> watching them, and > > > >> admired them greatly. > > > >> > > > >> These qualities are good examples of > > Jupiter's > > > 5th > > > >> house aspect. > > > >> > > > >> And finally, when I try and look and find, > > > Jupiter's > > > >> 9th house aspect, I > > > >> find that Jupiter's supposed to be > aspecting > > my > > > 2nd > > > >> house. > > > >> > > > >> So, not only was I shy due to Saturn's > aspect > > > from > > > >> the 12th, but, I felt > > > >> also another influence which later I > realized > > was > > > >> probably Jupiter's which > > > >> wanted to be able to speak and express > > myself. > > > >> > > > >> Eventually, as I learned how to diminish or > > > >> transform Saturn's negative > > > >> 'glances' into more positive one's, I began > > to > > > feel > > > >> more comfortable > > > >> speaking and eventually became quite > > comfortable > > > in > > > >> front of a crowd, or > > > >> even lecturing. > > > >> > > > >> So, I'm sure we all, will enjoy hearing > about > > how > > > >> you've come to understand > > > >> and experience your chart, too. I'd love > to > > hear > > > >> your own private > > > >> experiences as to the effects of the > Planets > > 'in' > > > >> different houses/signs, > > > >> and their simultaneous effects upon, > opposite > > > signs > > > >> and houses. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Sincerely, > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Mark Kincaid > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> founder Nature's Astrology.... > > > >> m.kincaid > > > >> 641 472-0000 > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Shripal <d_shripal > > > >> > AyurvedJyotishYoga > > > >> Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:30:57 -0800 (PST) > > > >> navlakshya > > > >> [AyurvedJyotishYoga] Re: Aspect > v/s > > > >> Placement > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Hi Jyotish Volunteer and ALL, > > > >> > > > >> Let's take this birth data of mine. > > > >> Name:shripal > > > >> Place:Rajkot,Gujarat > > > >> Time:21:00 > > > >> date:16th March 1980 > > > >> > > > >> 1)In my chart Mars + Saturn + Jupiter + > Rahu > > all > > > >> retrogatin and placed in 11th house.All > this > > > planets > > > >> are aspecting or influencing each > > other.Correct. > > > >> > > > >> 2)In 5th house Mercury and Ketu are > together. > > > >> > > > >> 3)However Venus is in 7th house. > > > >> > > > >> 4)Know planets aspecting first house are > > Saturn > > > >> 100%,Venus 100% + venus is a dispositor of > > that > > > >> house > > > >> too and placed with Venus in enemy house. > > > >> > > > >> 5)Venus a first house lord is in trine with > > Mars > > > + > > > >> saturn + rahu + jupiter,so all this planets > > > aspect > > > >> to > > > >> venus is 50% mutually. > > > >> > > > >> 5)Mercury + ketu sextile with this Venus,so > > > aspect > > > >> mutually is 25%. > > > >> > > > >> So you tell me about my personality and > > > >> thoughts,regarding my looks and approach > > towards > > > >> life.Which planet will be most influential > > with > > > >> rescpect, > > > >> > > > >> 1)1st house that is me,my looks nd > qualities > > that > > > i > > > >> have and i will achieve. > > > >> 2)4th house that is my mother or staying > > place > > > >> 3)7th house that is my wife or partners > > > >> 4)5th house that is my education,Romance > and > > > >> Mantra,Tantra etc. > > > >> 5)9th house my spiritual inclination. > > > >> 6)11th house my friends,relationship with > > them > > > anf > > > >> gains. > > > >> > > > >> You give me predictions for each and every > of > > my > > > >> above > > > >> points and I will let you know how much > truth > > > about > > > >> it. > > > >> > > > >> So we can come to conclusion what all > houses > > > aspect > > > >> is > > > >> more effective and where palcement is > > effective. > > > >> > > > >> Which one is more stronger aspect or > > Placement. > > > >> > > > >> --- Jyotish Volunteers > > <primusjyotishi > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> Not clear why you called placement as a > one > > time > > > >>> influence while > > > >>> aspect is a longerlasting one. Please > > elaborate > > > a > > > >>> bit more. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> navlakshya, Shripal > > > >>> <d_shripal> wrote: > > > >>>> Guruji, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> That theory will not work here.aspect is > > not > > > >>>> influencing anybody.So your example I > will > > say > > > >>> there > > > >>>> is no aspect at all. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Aspect mean you can do > > something,influencing > > > >>>> someone.when you are seeing means just > > seeing. > > > >>>> Planets just don't see,they influence.In > > fact a > > > >>> very > > > >>>> very great influence.As good as seating > and > > > >> seeing > > > >>> is > > > >>>> same for them. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> But let me try to twist your Example,If > > that > > > >>> killer > > > >>>> seating find he is a son of his Boss or > His > > > >> father > > > >>> is > > > >>>> bigger person.Than you tell me Aspect of > > his > > > >>> father > > > >>>> not even in his presence,what will be > > > >>> outcome.Aspect > > > >>>> or Placement.So i guess who is > influencing > > whom > > > >>> rather > > > >>>> than just seating. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> And now if you are saying,even he know's > > still > > > >> he > > > >>> want > > > >>>> to kill that person seating beside > him,than > > > >> ready > > > >>> for > > > >>>> a outcome of aspect that is influencing > > that > > > >> guy. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> That's what I said it in first > > posting.Strong > > > >>>> Placement's of planets is like a one time > > > >>> promotion or > > > >>>> act of that movement instantly.Aspect is > > like > > > >>> constant > > > >>>> movement increasing manner or detoriating > > > >>>> movement.Placement is like switch on and > > > >> Off.while > > > >>>> aspect is like Volume button.It > influences > > your > > > >>> daily > > > >>>> life. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> --- "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu5> > > wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Dear Shripal > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Please tell me the outcome of the > > following > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> You are with a killer, a bad man in the > > same > > > >>> bus, in > > > >>>>> the same seat > > > >>>>> you are in a bus, and killer is in > another > > > >> bus, > > > >>> he > > > >>>>> is looking at you. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> WHich makes you more comfortable? > > > >>>>> best wishes > > > >>>>> partha > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> navlakshya, > Shripal > > > >>>>> <d_shripal> wrote: > > > >>>>>> Hi sureshji, > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> your Explantion and Prediction is > > > >> wonderful.I > > > >>>>> myself > > > >>>>>> found aspect are more powerful than > > > >>>>> Placements.Even > > > >>>>>> when I have checked Let say Libra > rising > > and > > > >>>>> Saturn in > > > >>>>>> Lagna.so this person should possess all > > the > > > >>>>> qualities > > > >>>>>> of Exaltes saturn,But in fact it is not > > > >> there > > > >>> at > > > >>>>>> all.Considering all factors.Mars in 6th > > > >> house > > > >>> and > > > >>>>>> aspecting this saturn.so this person is > > more > > > >>> like > > > >>>>>> Martian,rather than saturn like.Even > > > >> placement > > > >>> for > > > >>>>>> Mars is also weak,still aspect is > working > > > >> very > > > >>>>> well > > > >>>>>> than Placement of Saturn.As mars is > enemy > > to > > > >>>>>> saturn,still it destroy what ever > > saturn's > > > >>> result > > > >>>>> and > > > >>>>>> imbibe his resuls in that individual. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I concluded that Aspect should be given > a > > > >>> higher > > > >>>>>> priority. > > > >>>>>> --- sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag> > > wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Namasthe > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Yes Aspect of any planet is more > > powerful > > > >>> than > > > >>>>> its > > > >>>>>>> association. It is > > > >>>>>>> said that if two malefics are in > > > >> association > > > >>> it > > > >>>>>>> brings decieses and if > > > >>>>>>> a third aspects it brings death. This > > > >> could > > > >>> mean > > > >>>>> two > > > >>>>>>> things aspect by > > > >>>>>>> a (malefic) planet is more potent than > > the > > > >>>>>>> association of two > > > >>>>>>> (malefics). Agin in another text > > > >>>>>>> "Bhanuna Vasrija drishte dakshange > arura > > > >>>>> asrigbhava" > > > >>>>>>> Saturn if > > > >>>>>>> aspected by sun or mars will produce > > > >>> eruptions > > > >>>>> and > > > >>>>>>> boils on the right > > > >>>>>>> side of the body due to impure blood. > > > >> (Cause > > > >>> of > > > >>>>>>> death) this sloka > > > >>>>>>> further explains: "Guruna > swayathupathe > > > >>>>> dakshinange > > > >>>>>>> cha vedana". > > > >>>>>>> Jupiter produces swelling of the feets > > of > > > >>> pain > > > >>>>> in > > > >>>>>>> the body. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> There are many such examples which > shows > > > >> the > > > >>>>> power > > > >>>>>>> of aspects of planets. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> In the example given by you Saturn in > > the > > > >>> 8th > > > >>>>> house > > > >>>>>>> may confer long > > > >>>>>>> life depending on the stregth of > Saturn > > in > > > >>> amsa > > > >>>>> and > > > >>>>>>> sun . but one > > > >>>>>>> cannot rule out the physical ailments > > that > > > >>> it > > > >>>>>>> signifies. Please note > > > >>>>>>> that Saturn Lagnidhipathy is aspecting > > the > > > >>> Karma > > > >>>>>>> Sthana as well as > > > >>>>>>> dhanasthana and is placed in the atma > > > >> karaka > > > >>> / > > > >>>>> pitur > > > >>>>>>> karaka Sun. Being > > > >>>>>>> an enemy, he may face many problems > with > > > >> his > > > >>>>>>> parents. Highly egoistic > > > >>>>>>> and in always conflict with oneself. > He > > > >>> creates > > > >>>>>>> wealth by his own > > > >>>>>>> efforts. in fact jupiter and mars help > > > >>> saturn in > > > >>>>>>> this process of > > > >>>>>>> creating wealth. (Saturn and mars in > > > >> mutual > > > >>>>> aspect - > > > >>>>>>> Lagnadhipathy and > > > >>>>>>> labhadhipathy) He may create wealth > > > >> through > > > >>>>> property > > > >>>>>>> deals and > > > >>>>>>> speculations (High risk) due to the > > > >> position > > > >>> of > > > >>>>> mars > > > >>>>>>> in taurus and > > > >>>>>>> jupiter in mesh(Mars as adhipathy). > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> But he may expect some downfall > (sudden > > > >> and > > > >>>>>>> unexpected) as the Saturn > > > >>>>>>> is the satru rasi and Jupiter > aspecting > > is > > > >>> also > > > >>>>> 12th > > > >>>>>>> rasi ord > > > >>>>>>> (Vyayasthanadhipathy). > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> This person may not happy in life in > > spite > > > >>> of > > > >>>>> being > > > >>>>>>> a successfull > > > >>>>>>> business man. (Sun - Atma Karaka being > a > > > >>> Sathru > > > >>>>> of > > > >>>>>>> Saturn - > > > >>>>>>> Lagnadhipathy and Saturn being in leo > > > >>> aspecting > > > >>>>> the > > > >>>>>>> Atma Karaka > > > >>>>>>> griha's Neecha Rasi) > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Thank you putting such queries. give > > your > > > >>>>> comments. > > > >>>>>>> Have no doubt that aspect is more > potent > > > >>> than > > > >>>>> yoga > > > >>>>>>> expecially that of > > > >>>>>>> saturn . Remember Ravana had his > > downfall > > > >>> when > > > >>>>>>> saturn in transit > > > >>>>>>> reached his seventh house. I have seen > > > >> many > > > >>>>> persons > > > >>>>>>> who were sitting > > > >>>>>>> at the pinacles of their carrer/life > > fall > > > >> to > > > >>>>> nothing > > > >>>>>>> when saturn > > > >>>>>>> traverse throuth 4th, 7th and 11th > house > > > >>> either > > > >>>>> from > > > >>>>>>> ascendant or moon > > > >>>>>>> sign. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> May Lord Bless You. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Suresh Bbu. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> --- In > vedic astrology, > > > >>> Shripal > > > >>>>>>> <d_shripal> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> Hello All, > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Planetary aspect should be given more > > > >>>>> important or > > > >>>>>>>> palcement,which one would be > powerful. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Let say Saturn is placed in 8th house > > in > > > >>>>> Leo.so > > > >>>>>>> for > > > >>>>>>>> Capricon Ascendant it is benefic.Now > > > >>> Jupiter > > > >>>>>>> placed in > > > >>>>>>>> 4th House aspecting Saturn.So here > > > >> aspect > > > >>> is > > > >>>>> Trine > > > >>>>>>>> that is 50% b/w planets and 100% by > > > >>> Jupiter. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> But being in Leo,it is in enemies > house > > > >>> and > > > >>>>> 50% > > > >>>>>>> aspect > > > >>>>>>>> to jupiter,that is benefic,so Saturn > > > >> thrid > > > >>>>> aspect > > > >>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>> 10th house that is his own exalted > sign > > > >>> will > > > >>>>> give > > > >>>>>>>> benefic result or malefic result,by > how > > > >>> much. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Now climax comes,If Mars is in Taurus > > > >> ans > > > >>>>> ,Mars is > > > >>>>>>>> also aspecting this Saturn 100% and > > > >>> vice-versa > > > >>>>> is > > > >>>>>>> also > > > >>>>>>>> true. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> So it will try to make Saturn act > > > >>>>> malefically.so > > > >>>>>>> what > > > >>>>>>>> will be a Saturn's response.Good or > > > >>> TooBad. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> ===== > > > >>>>>>>> "Love is friendship set to music." > > > >>>>>>>> "Love conquers all." > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Tired of spam? 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