2-Shipal, Ramakrishna, & all, RE: Aspect v/s Placement, > Mark Kincaid-->J/V

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HI J/V,

 

I consider Aspect as when jupiter is using it's 5th

,9th or 7th dristi,or two planets are in

conjuct,opposite,trine,square,sextile etc.All this are

aspect for me.

 

while placement is just venus in 7th house and no

aspected by any planets referring to above

condition.All alone and gives it's full result to

Lagna.

 

--- Jyotish Volunteers <primusjyotishi

wrote:

 

>

> Shripal,

>

> Based on the following response, I am wondering if

> you are using the

> term aspects as used in tropical astrology? In

> tropical, conjunction

> (two planets in same sign, yuti, yugma) are

> considered to be 'in

> aspect'. In jyotish these would be more akin to

> colocation,

> placement, rather than "dristi" which in modern

> parlance has been co-

> utilized with so called aspect.

>

> I dread that this does not become reduced to

> semantics, the biggest

> foe of astrological discussions.

>

> The way I understand drishti is like a glance, like

> one person

> viewing another, straight ahead, at an angle

> (tirchey nayan sey) and

> there is an aspect I dare speak about in this august

> gathering of

> gurus -- mano-drishti of planets, the subtle drishti

> (sorry, that

> would be the last time I ever mention this).

>

> If yugma is also included in drishti, then we move

> to its sibling,

> parivartan (mutual reception, exchange, mars in

> libra, venus in

> aries) -- we enter in the halls of new age, at that

> point!

>

>

>

> navlakshya, Shripal

> <d_shripal> wrote:

> > Hi Mark and All.

> >

> > thanks Mark,

> >

> > Yes,exactly when transit moves over your natal

> > placement,so what is working,isn't it aspect that

> is

> > working.Even if you have got exalted saturn in

> your

> > chart,when transit moon goes over it ,you will

> feel

> > lonliness,allof etc.When Mars hover your saturn,

> you

> > are very uncomfortalbe with your situation's in

> your

> > life,either you feel like destroying everything

> around

> > you or just destroy yourself.

> >

> > So How did we lost a qualities of Placement.How

> come

> > placement looses its theme and get more influenced

> by

> > aspect.Act as a modifier.Transit is a best way to

> > describe Aspect being more powerful than just

> > placement.I am talking about when to mutual force

> > combine,it will always be powerful than just being

> > alone.It can act as a destroyer and even rebuilder

> of

> > your evnts in life.Life is not stagnant or

> constant

> > like Placement.But rather everyday changing and

> who is

> > influencing that,Transit and How through

> aspect,isn't

> > it?.If i am wrong correct me.

> >

> >

> >

> > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> >

> > > Hi Ramakrishna ,

> > >

> > > No sirji,What you said I have already talked

> about

> > > that previous.Same thing aspect is as good as

> > > placement means Venus when aspect from pisces

> gives

> > > same results

> > > as jupiter placed in pisces.that means full

> > > effect,not

> > > a quality wise,quantity wise effect will be

> maximum.

> > >

> > > When planet is aspecting some house, without any

> > > planets in it,means effect will be equvalent to

> > > placement.Aspect and Placement we are talking

> about

> > > is

> > > quantity wise and not qualitywise,That will

> depend

> > > upon mutual relationship,sign in whci placed

> etc.OK.

> > >

> > > --- Ramakrishna <ramki@w...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Shipal & All:

> > >

> > > This is a fascinating aspect of Jyotish, ahhh,

> no

> > > pun intended, heheeheh.

> > >

> > > But, another really good way to tell whether

> > > 'conjunction', or when a planet

> > > is in a house,

> > > or opposite another house, or even in it's

> > > aspectings,.... is to look at

> > > these through the eyes,

> > > of the daily, weekly, monthly and yearly

> > > transits....

> > >

> > > Watch the Moon for example.

> > >

> > > When the Moon moves through the sky and moves

> > > through our charts, especially

> > > when you can learn to 'feel' it, you can start

> to

> > > realize...the real truths

> > > of Jyotish.

> > >

> > > For example, when the Moon is getting bigger,

> like

> > > now, and then when it

> > > moves through the different signs, and

> especially

> > > moves into similar houses

> > > with other planets.... you can really feel

> those!

> > >

> > > Take the up-coming Moon & Saturn conjunction

> > > starting in about 2 days....

> > >

> > > Right now the Moon's in Taurus, and only at the

> 3rd

> > > degree, so still a lot

> > > of Exaltedness, left....

> > >

> > > But in a 'few' days, let's say 2 1/2, the Moon

> will

> > > move into Gemini, where

> > > it will come within 30 degrees of any planets in

> > > Gemini.

> > >

> > > Right now, Saturn has Retrograded back into

> Gemini,

> > > so soon, the Moon &

> > > Saturn will be conjunct.

> > >

> > > So, everyone watch how you feel.... now...

> > >

> > > and in 3, 4 and then 5 days.... that Saturn/Moon

> > > conjunction...

> > >

> > > Then, compare these feelings with the feelings

> that

> > > come next when the Moon

> > > moves past Saturn and into the next sign...

> > >

> > > That will be quite a shift this month/year,

> > > especially because the Moon

> > > feels soooo happy in Cancer.

> > >

> > > Then, for the next 2 1/2 days the Moon will be

> in

> > > Cancer, it's Own

> > > Sign,....but then,

> > > the Moon will move into Leo, which is farther

> and

> > > farther away from

> > > Saturn,....but....

> > >

> > > the Moon will be in a sign, where it's supposed

> to

> > > fall under the 3rd house

> > > 'aspect' of Saturn...

> > >

> > > See, if you/all, can feel that same Saturn

> feeling

> > > that happened when

> > > Saturn&Moon were conjunct, see if you don't feel

> > > that same flavor.

> > >

> > > Then, when the Moon, continues around the sky,

> next

> > > it will move into

> > > Sagittarius, which is the Sign, completely

> opposite

> > > to Saturn, in Gemini,

> > > and then, when Moon moves into Pisces, Saturn's

> 10th

> > > House aspect is

> > > supposed to kick in.

> > >

> > > Experience shows which qualities of Jyotish are

> more

> > > strong and give very

> > > practical understanding that will allow us to

> > > understand the same kind of

> > > 'aspects' and 'conjunctions', or placements as

> you

> > > say; that are in our

> > > charts.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps....

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > >

> > > Mark Kincaid

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ps.... instead of asking people to guess about

> your

> > > chart, why don't you

> > > share with people, your experience which are

> > > stronger.

> > >

> > > For example, in my chart, I have Moon & Saturn

> > > together in the 12th house,

> > > only 1 house away from my Sun in the 11th.

> > >

> > > Well, believe me, I can say with complete

> > > reliability, that the consequence

> > > of this 'configuration' has been very striking

> to

> > > me.

> > >

> > > Plenty of feelings of isolation, loneliness,

> > > sadness, even depression

> > > growing up.

> > >

> > > And as I learned my chart I could 'feel'

> Saturn's

> > > aspects into my 3rd house,

> > > and 6th house.... especially.

> > >

> > > Not only was I shy, due to the Moon being in the

> > > 12th, but, my 2nd house of

> > > speech was very much effected too, and I was

> > > extremely shy in school, had a

> > > very difficult time getting up and speaking in

> > > class, etc.

> > >

> > > But, I also have Jupiter in my 6th in Pisces, in

> my

> > > 6th and at the very same

> > > time I had all these, problems of Moon/Saturn in

> the

> > > 12th,.... I found some

> > > very good qualities due to Jupiter.

> > >

> > > First of all, I had pretty good health.

> Secondly I

> > > noticed that Saturn's

> > > normal negative aspect upon the Sign opposite to

> > > itself, was probably,

> > > improved due to Jupiter's simultaneous aspect

> back,

> > > upon Saturn and the

> > > Moon.

> > >

> > > I could also 'feel' all the good qualities of

> > > Jupiter's supposed influence

> > > upon the Sign opposite it!

> > >

> > > I also had many of the predictatively 'good'

> > > qualities of Jupiter upon the

> > > Moon, which was a clear example of the 7th House

> > > 'aspect'.

> > >

> > > Then, there are the aspects of Jupiter.

> Jupiter's

> > > supposed to influence

> > > not only the Sign where it is, but also 5 Houses

> > > away in addition to the

> > > classic 7th house aspect.

> > >

> > > And I could really feel that too. Jupiter in

> the

> > > 6th, then, casts it's 5th

> > > house aspect into the 10th house, where I have

> > > Cancer.

> > >

> > > And from as long as I can remember I 'knew' that

> I

> > > wanted to be a teacher.

> > >

> > > First of all, I loved teachers growing up, I

> loved

> > > watching them, and

> > > admired them greatly.

> > >

> > > These qualities are good examples of Jupiter's

> 5th

> > > house aspect.

> > >

> > > And finally, when I try and look and find,

> Jupiter's

> > > 9th house aspect, I

> > > find that Jupiter's supposed to be aspecting my

> 2nd

> > > house.

> > >

> > > So, not only was I shy due to Saturn's aspect

> from

> > > the 12th, but, I felt

> > > also another influence which later I realized

> was

> > > probably Jupiter's which

> > > wanted to be able to speak and express myself.

> > >

> > > Eventually, as I learned how to diminish or

> > > transform Saturn's negative

> > > 'glances' into more positive one's, I began to

> feel

> > > more comfortable

> > > speaking and eventually became quite comfortable

> in

> > > front of a crowd, or

> > > even lecturing.

> > >

> > > So, I'm sure we all, will enjoy hearing about

> how

> > > you've come to understand

> > > and experience your chart, too. I'd love to

> hear

> > > your own private

> > > experiences as to the effects of the Planets

> 'in'

> > > different houses/signs,

> > > and their simultaneous effects upon, opposite

> signs

> > > and houses.

> > >

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > >

> > > Mark Kincaid

> > >

> > >

> > > founder Nature's Astrology....

> > > m.kincaid@m...

> > > 641 472-0000

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Shripal <d_shripal>

> > > AyurvedJyotishYoga

> > > Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:30:57 -0800 (PST)

> > > navlakshya

> > > [AyurvedJyotishYoga] Re: Aspect v/s

> > > Placement

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Jyotish Volunteer and ALL,

> > >

> > > Let's take this birth data of mine.

> > > Name:shripal

> > > Place:Rajkot,Gujarat

> > > Time:21:00

> > > date:16th March 1980

> > >

> > > 1)In my chart Mars + Saturn + Jupiter + Rahu all

> > > retrogatin and placed in 11th house.All this

> planets

> > > are aspecting or influencing each other.Correct.

> > >

> > > 2)In 5th house Mercury and Ketu are together.

> > >

> > > 3)However Venus is in 7th house.

> > >

> > > 4)Know planets aspecting first house are Saturn

> > > 100%,Venus 100% + venus is a dispositor of that

> > > house

> > > too and placed with Venus in enemy house.

> > >

> > > 5)Venus a first house lord is in trine with Mars

> +

> > > saturn + rahu + jupiter,so all this planets

> aspect

> > > to

> > > venus is 50% mutually.

> > >

> > > 5)Mercury + ketu sextile with this Venus,so

> aspect

> > > mutually is 25%.

> > >

> > > So you tell me about my personality and

> > > thoughts,regarding my looks and approach towards

> > > life.Which planet will be most influential with

> > > rescpect,

> > >

> > > 1)1st house that is me,my looks nd qualities

> that i

> > > have and i will achieve.

> > > 2)4th house that is my mother or staying place

> > > 3)7th house that is my wife or partners

> > > 4)5th house that is my education,Romance and

> > > Mantra,Tantra etc.

> > > 5)9th house my spiritual inclination.

> > > 6)11th house my friends,relationship with them

> anf

> > > gains.

> > >

> > > You give me predictions for each and every of my

> > > above

> > > points and I will let you know how much truth

> about

> > > it.

> > >

> > > So we can come to conclusion what all houses

> aspect

> > > is

> > > more effective and where palcement is effective.

> > >

> > > Which one is more stronger aspect or Placement.

> > >

> > > --- Jyotish Volunteers <primusjyotishi>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Not clear why you called placement as a one

> time

> > > > influence while

> > > > aspect is a longerlasting one. Please

> elaborate a

> > > > bit more.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > navlakshya, Shripal

> > > > <d_shripal> wrote:

> > > > > Guruji,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > That theory will not work here.aspect is not

> > > > > influencing anybody.So your example I will

> say

> > > > there

> > > > > is no aspect at all.

> > > > >

> > > > > Aspect mean you can do something,influencing

> > > > > someone.when you are seeing means just

> seeing.

> > > > > Planets just don't see,they influence.In

> fact a

> > > > very

> > > > > very great influence.As good as seating and

> > > seeing

> > > > is

> > > > > same for them.

> > > > >

> > > > > But let me try to twist your Example,If that

> > > > killer

> > > > > seating find he is a son of his Boss or His

> > > father

> > > > is

> > > > > bigger person.Than you tell me Aspect of his

> > > > father

> > > > > not even in his presence,what will be

> > > > outcome.Aspect

> > > > > or Placement.So i guess who is influencing

> whom

> > > > rather

> > > > > than just seating.

> > > > >

> > > > > And now if you are saying,even he know's

> still

> > > he

> > > > want

> > > > > to kill that person seating beside him,than

> > > ready

> > > > for

> > > > > a outcome of aspect that is influencing that

> > > guy.

> > > > >

> > > > > That's what I said it in first

> posting.Strong

> > > > > Placement's of planets is like a one time

> > > > promotion or

> > > > > act of that movement instantly.Aspect is

> like

> > > > constant

> > > > > movement increasing manner or detoriating

> > > > > movement.Placement is like switch on and

> > > Off.while

> > > > > aspect is like Volume button.It influences

> your

> > > > daily

> > > > > life.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu5>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shripal

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please tell me the outcome of the

> following

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are with a killer, a bad man in the

> same

> > > > bus, in

> > > > > > the same seat

> > > > > > you are in a bus, and killer is in another

> > > bus,

> > > > he

> > > > > > is looking at you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > WHich makes you more comfortable?

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > partha

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > navlakshya, Shripal

> > > > > > <d_shripal> wrote:

> > > > > > > Hi sureshji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > your Explantion and Prediction is

> > > wonderful.I

> > > > > > myself

> > > > > > > found aspect are more powerful than

> > > > > > Placements.Even

> > > > > > > when I have checked Let say Libra rising

> and

> > > > > > Saturn in

> > > > > > > Lagna.so this person should possess all

> the

> > > > > > qualities

> > > > > > > of Exaltes saturn,But in fact it is not

> > > there

> > > > at

> > > > > > > all.Considering all factors.Mars in 6th

> > > house

> > > > and

> > > > > > > aspecting this saturn.so this person is

> more

> > > > like

> > > > > > > Martian,rather than saturn like.Even

> > > placement

> > > > for

> > > > > > > Mars is also weak,still aspect is

> working

> > > very

> > > > > > well

> > > > > > > than Placement of Saturn.As mars is

> enemy to

> > > > > > > saturn,still it destroy what ever

> saturn's

> > > > result

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > imbibe his resuls in that individual.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I concluded that Aspect should be given

> a

> > > > higher

> > > > > > > priority.

> > > > > > > --- sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namasthe

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes Aspect of any planet is more

> powerful

> > > > than

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > association. It is

> > > > > > > > said that if two malefics are in

> > > association

> > > > it

> > > > > > > > brings decieses and if

> > > > > > > > a third aspects it brings death. This

> > > could

> > > > mean

> > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > things aspect by

> > > > > > > > a (malefic) planet is more potent than

> the

> > > > > > > > association of two

> > > > > > > > (malefics). Agin in another text

> > > > > > > > "Bhanuna Vasrija drishte dakshange

> arura

> > > > > > asrigbhava"

> > > > > > > > Saturn if

> > > > > > > > aspected by sun or mars will produce

> > > > eruptions

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > boils on the right

> > > > > > > > side of the body due to impure blood.

> > > (Cause

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > death) this sloka

> > > > > > > > further explains: "Guruna

> swayathupathe

> > > > > > dakshinange

> > > > > > > > cha vedana".

> > > > > > > > Jupiter produces swelling of the feets

> of

> > > > pain

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the body.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There are many such examples which

> shows

> > > the

> > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > of aspects of planets.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In the example given by you Saturn in

> the

> > > > 8th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > may confer long

> > > > > > > > life depending on the stregth of

> Saturn in

> > > > amsa

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > sun . but one

> > > > > > > > cannot rule out the physical ailments

> that

> > > > it

> > > > > > > > signifies. Please note

> > > > > > > > that Saturn Lagnidhipathy is aspecting

> the

> > > > Karma

> > > > > > > > Sthana as well as

> > > > > > > > dhanasthana and is placed in the atma

> > > karaka

> > > > /

> > > > > > pitur

> > > > > > > > karaka Sun. Being

> > > > > > > > an enemy, he may face many problems

> with

> > > his

> > > > > > > > parents. Highly egoistic

> > > > > > > > and in always conflict with oneself.

> He

> > > > creates

> > > > > > > > wealth by his own

> > > > > > > > efforts. in fact jupiter and mars help

> > > > saturn in

> > > > > > > > this process of

> > > > > > > > creating wealth. (Saturn and mars in

> > > mutual

> > > > > > aspect -

> > > > > > > > Lagnadhipathy and

> > > > > > > > labhadhipathy) He may create wealth

> > > through

> > > > > > property

> > > > > > > > deals and

> > > > > > > > speculations (High risk) due to the

> > > position

> > > > of

> > > > > > mars

> > > > > > > > in taurus and

> > > > > > > > jupiter in mesh(Mars as adhipathy).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But he may expect some downfall

> (sudden

> > > and

> > > > > > > > unexpected) as the Saturn

> > > > > > > > is the satru rasi and Jupiter

> aspecting is

> > > > also

> > > > > > 12th

> > > > > > > > rasi ord

> > > > > > > > (Vyayasthanadhipathy).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This person may not happy in life in

> spite

> > > > of

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > a successfull

> > > > > > > > business man. (Sun - Atma Karaka being

> a

> > > > Sathru

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Saturn -

> > > > > > > > Lagnadhipathy and Saturn being in leo

> > > > aspecting

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Atma Karaka

> > > > > > > > griha's Neecha Rasi)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thank you putting such queries. give

> your

> > > > > > comments.

> > > > > > > > Have no doubt that aspect is more

> potent

> > > > than

> > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > expecially that of

> > > > > > > > saturn . Remember Ravana had his

> downfall

> > > > when

> > > > > > > > saturn in transit

> > > > > > > > reached his seventh house. I have seen

> > > many

> > > > > > persons

> > > > > > > > who were sitting

> > > > > > > > at the pinacles of their carrer/life

> fall

> > > to

> > > > > > nothing

> > > > > > > > when saturn

> > > > > > > > traverse throuth 4th, 7th and 11th

> house

> > > > either

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > ascendant or moon

> > > > > > > > sign.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > May Lord Bless You.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Suresh Bbu.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> vedic astrology,

> > > > Shripal

> > > > > > > > <d_shripal> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Hello All,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Planetary aspect should be given

> more

> > > > > > important or

> > > > > > > > > palcement,which one would be

> powerful.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Let say Saturn is placed in 8th

> house in

> > > > > > Leo.so

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > Capricon Ascendant it is benefic.Now

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > placed in

> > > > > > > > > 4th House aspecting Saturn.So here

> > > aspect

> > > > is

> > > > > > Trine

> > > > > > > > > that is 50% b/w planets and 100% by

> > > > Jupiter.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But being in Leo,it is in enemies

> house

> > > > and

> > > > > > 50%

> > > > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > to jupiter,that is benefic,so Saturn

> > > thrid

> > > > > > aspect

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