Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Namaskar to all members, We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to Sun. My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology? Hope members will dispel my doubt. Hare Krsna Pranav India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Dear Pranav Ji and List, I too have this doubt and my mind is not accepting Sun and Ketu as malefic at all. Ketu for some extend I can treat it as malefic, but when it comes to sun, nope - Members please clarify why sun should be considered as Malefic. Regards Arvind --- pranav siva <pranavsiva wrote: > Hare Krsna > Namaskar to all members, > We know,that the Sun is the source of all living > beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's > light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is > based on the motion of the sun.There are some > classical treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun > God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental > work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of > Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' > The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer > to Sun. > My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why > Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology? > Hope members will dispel my doubt. > Hare Krsna > Pranav > > India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Pranav and Arvind, Namaskar Sun is considered malefic because of his ability to scorch and burn. So if you ask some dry-parts of the world, whether they like the Sun, they will say, “most of the time, but once in a while it gets too hot!” Because of this, the Sun is considered a mild malefic compared to planets like Rahu, Saturn and Mars. But the next step is understanding planets not as malefics and benefics but as karakas. Here the Sun is the atmakäraka and karaka for dharma and father. So planets which are inimical towards the Sun are not good for the father, whilst those friendly are good for the father and dharma. Similarly Ketu is karaka for moksha, but also responsible for increasing the family as well. Because these two planets karakatvas are good for spirituality, they can become benefics for those matters alone. This is why Ketu and Sun are considered friendly in matters of marriage and spirituality, but Ketu will not be good for health matters (Moon) and education (Mercury is vidya karaka), whilst the Sun will not be good for matters of disease (Saturn) and loss (Saturn). In this way you aren’t stuck in the basic malefic vs benefic indications, and can go beyond and apply it to very specific circumstances. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">pranav siva [pranavsiva (AT) (DOT) co.in] 21 December 2004 03:00 Cc: pranavsiva (AT) (DOT) co.in [Om Krishna Guru] Please clear my doubt !!! 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Hare Krsna 12.0pt">Namaskar to all members, 12.0pt">We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to Sun. 12.0pt">My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology? 12.0pt">Hope members will dispel my doubt. 12.0pt">Hare Krsna 12.0pt">Pranav India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Namaskar, Thankyou for clearing my doubts Regards Pranav Hare KrsnaVisti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Pranav and Arvind, Namaskar Sun is considered malefic because of his ability to scorch and burn. So if you ask some dry-parts of the world, whether they like the Sun, they will say, “most of the time, but once in a while it gets too hot!” Because of this, the Sun is considered a mild malefic compared to planets like Rahu, Saturn and Mars. But the next step is understanding planets not as malefics and benefics but as karakas. Here the Sun is the atmakäraka and karaka for dharma and father. So planets which are inimical towards the Sun are not good for the father, whilst those friendly are good for the father and dharma. Similarly Ketu is karaka for moksha, but also responsible for increasing the family as well. Because these two planets karakatvas are good for spirituality, they can become benefics for those matters alone. This is why Ketu and Sun are considered friendly in matters of marriage and spirituality, but Ketu will not be good for health matters (Moon) and education (Mercury is vidya karaka), whilst the Sun will not be good for matters of disease (Saturn) and loss (Saturn). In this way you aren’t stuck in the basic malefic vs benefic indications, and can go beyond and apply it to very specific circumstances. Best wishes, Visti Larsen http://srigaruda.com visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com pranav siva [pranavsiva (AT) (DOT) co.in] 21 December 2004 03:00Cc: pranavsiva (AT) (DOT) co.inSubject: [Om Krishna Guru] Please clear my doubt !!! Hare Krsna Namaskar to all members, We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to Sun. My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology? Hope members will dispel my doubt. Hare Krsna Pranav India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.nod32.com ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 Dear Pranav, Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self evident. Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead position in summer. Is it pleasant to stand under him? Chandrashekhar. pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna Namaskar to all members, We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to Sun. My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology? Hope members will dispel my doubt. Hare Krsna Pranav -- Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release 12/20/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Dear Chandrasekharji, Namaskar, Thankyou for your response.However, I beg to differ with you.To call" Sun" as a "Krura", is a misnomer.None of the classical text worth mentioning refers "Sun" as Kroora.Even Bhattotpala,the illustrious commentator of Brihatjathaka considers Sun as a natural malefic and not Krura.However, one of the synonyms of Mars is "Krura".(cruel.) Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo for females is far from truth.Scriptures, abounds with instances of females practising, gayatri mantra and even achieving "siddi"in the same.To name a few Gargi,Maitrayi,Madalasa,Arundhati,Kunthi,Sakhunthala,Devayani,Sita,Sukanya,Parvathy etc are some among them. Our ancients had displayed a great deal of rationality in assigning planetary lordships as well as in the classification of navagrahas into benefics & malefics.The reason of assigning the Sun as a malefic is a missing link , whose real truth should be explored by us collectively. I presume, you too will agree. Regards Pranav Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav,Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self evident. Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead position in summer. Is it pleasant to stand under him?Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote:Hare KrsnaNamaskar to all members,We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to Sun.My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology?Hope members will dispel my doubt.Hare KrsnaPranav-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release 12/20/2004~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Hare Rama Krsna 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The Sun as a malefic (just to add a little): 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Not only is the Sun hot in midday but Ayurveda shastra tells us that the midday Sun poisons the blood. It does this by increasing Pitta which hurts liver function and then causes toxicity of the blood resulting in bad skin reactions. Vitiation of Pitta destroys the liver, the eyes, makes you go bald, makes the skin loose pigment, etc. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The Sun rules government, how many people like the government? How many people like paying taxes? How many people like getting fines and tickets? 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Look what happens to planets too close to the Sun, they get burnt up. Power doesn’t let competitors get too close to the throne. In the ancient days, when their was a change of king in the Muslim world, anyone who might also have connection to the throne would disappear, there are some stories of hundreds of half brothers getting tired in bags and throne into the river. Power is a harsh reality. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Other malefics are tamasic, which gives them harshness for negative reasons. The Sun is Sattvic so it is harsh but for good purposes in general. The king punishes people to uphold the working of the state. Look at Lord Rama, he even sent away his wife to uphold the Dharma (reminiscent of the wife of the Sun leaving him because of his excessive heat). 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Namah Sivaya 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen [visti (AT) (DOT) org] Tuesday, December 21, 2004 6:01 PM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Please clear my doubt !!! 12.0pt"> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Pranav and Arvind, Namaskar Sun is considered malefic because of his ability to scorch and burn. So if you ask some dry-parts of the world, whether they like the Sun, they will say, “most of the time, but once in a while it gets too hot!” Because of this, the Sun is considered a mild malefic compared to planets like Rahu, Saturn and Mars. But the next step is understanding planets not as malefics and benefics but as karakas. Here the Sun is the atmakäraka and karaka for dharma and father. So planets which are inimical towards the Sun are not good for the father, whilst those friendly are good for the father and dharma. Similarly Ketu is karaka for moksha, but also responsible for increasing the family as well. Because these two planets karakatvas are good for spirituality, they can become benefics for those matters alone. This is why Ketu and Sun are considered friendly in matters of marriage and spirituality, but Ketu will not be good for health matters (Moon) and education (Mercury is vidya karaka), whilst the Sun will not be good for matters of disease (Saturn) and loss (Saturn). In this way you aren’t stuck in the basic malefic vs benefic indications, and can go beyond and apply it to very specific circumstances. Best wishes, mso-table-rspace:2.25pt;mso-table-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-table-anchor-horizontal: column;mso-table-left:left;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in"> mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal: column;mso-height-rule:exactly"> mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal: column;mso-height-rule:exactly"> font-family:Verdana;color:#99CC00;mso-ansi-language:DA;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen color:#99CC00;mso-ansi-language:DA"> mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal: column;mso-height-rule:exactly"> DA">http://srigaruda.com mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal: column;mso-height-rule:exactly"> DA">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4;mso-ansi-language:DA"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">pranav siva [pranavsiva (AT) (DOT) co.in] 21 December 2004 03:00 Cc: pranavsiva (AT) (DOT) co.in [Om Krishna Guru] Please clear my doubt !!! 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Hare Krsna 12.0pt">Namaskar to all members, 12.0pt">We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to Sun. 12.0pt">My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology? 12.0pt">Hope members will dispel my doubt. 12.0pt">Hare Krsna 12.0pt">Pranav 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. 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Guest guest Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 Dear Pranav, You are free to differ from what I have given as my opinion. However before making blanket statements about no astrological text calling Surya Krura, will you care to read BPHS CH.3 Shlokas 11 and 12, which clearly state Surya and others as Krura. It is also likely that you have some versions not known generally to Jyotish world about Surya. May I know the edition you are referring? Perhaps you will care to give reference and quote from Scriptures in support of your argument about Ladies of all age being permitted to recite Surya Gayatri, in similar manner. I would like to know why Surya Gayatri is to be told to son by father in his ear so that no one hears it, at the time of his Upanayan only. Or is this also not according to scriptures that you refer to? Chandrashekhar. pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna Dear Chandrasekharji, Namaskar, Thankyou for your response.However, I beg to differ with you.To call" Sun" as a "Krura", is a misnomer.None of the classical text worth mentioning refers "Sun" as Kroora.Even Bhattotpala,the illustrious commentator of Brihatjathaka considers Sun as a natural malefic and not Krura.However, one of the synonyms of Mars is "Krura".(cruel.) Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo for females is far from truth.Scriptures, abounds with instances of females practising, gayatri mantra and even achieving "siddi"in the same.To name a few Gargi,Maitrayi,Madalasa,Arundhati,Kunthi,Sakhunthala,Devayani,Sita,Sukanya,Parvathy etc are some among them. Our ancients had displayed a great deal of rationality in assigning planetary lordships as well as in the classification of navagrahas into benefics & malefics.The reason of assigning the Sun as a malefic is a missing link , whose real truth should be explored by us collectively. I presume, you too will agree. Regards Pranav Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav, Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self evident. Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead position in summer. Is it pleasant to stand under him? Chandrashekhar. pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna Namaskar to all members, We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to Sun. My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology? Hope members will dispel my doubt. Hare Krsna Pranav -- Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release 12/20/2004 ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release 12/20/2004 Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release 12/20/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Pranav, Namaskar Make sure to read sanskrit along with the translation. In BPHS, it clearly states in sloka 11: tatraarkashanibhuuputraaH xiiNendurahuketavaH kruuraaH – meaning that sun, saturn, mars, moon without light rahu and ketu are krura. But the translation says otherwise. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">pranav siva [pranavsiva (AT) (DOT) co.in] 24 December 2004 06:11 Cc: pranavsiva (AT) (DOT) co.in Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Please clear my doubt !!! 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Hare Krsna 12.0pt">Dear Chandrasekharji, 12.0pt">Namaskar, 12.0pt">Thankyou for your response.However, I beg to differ with you.To call" Sun" as a "Krura", is a misnomer.None of the classical text worth mentioning refers "Sun" as Kroora.Even Bhattotpala,the illustrious commentator of Brihatjathaka considers Sun as a natural malefic and not Krura.However, one of the synonyms of Mars is "Krura".(cruel.) 12.0pt">Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo for females is far from truth.Scriptures, abounds with instances of females practising, gayatri mantra and even achieving "siddi"in the same.To name a few Gargi,Maitrayi,Madalasa,Arundhati,Kunthi,Sakhunthala,Devayani,Sita,Sukanya,Parvathy etc are some among them. 12.0pt">Our ancients had displayed a great deal of rationality in assigning planetary lordships as well as in the classification of navagrahas into benefics & malefics.The reason of assigning the Sun as a malefic is a missing link , whose real truth should be explored by us collectively. I presume, you too will agree. 12.0pt">Regards 12.0pt">Pranav Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> Dear Pranav, Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self evident. Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead position in summer. Is it pleasant to stand under him? Chandrashekhar. pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna Namaskar to all members, We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to Sun. My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology? Hope members will dispel my doubt. Hare Krsna Pranav -- Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release 12/20/2004 ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 Hare Krsna Dear Chandrashekharji, Namaskar As a research student in Hindu jyotish, I too got the highest regard for BPHS, for in terms of pith, other works are just secondary to it (not forgetting,that the Palmyra leaves writings of anonymous writers in Tamil & Malayalam, contains gems of astrological wisdom, seldom seen in Sanskrit text).To know the genesis of BPHS available in print to-day, you should, at the outset, know the painstaking work done by late Pundit Seetharam jha.It was he, sensing the immense value of this work, went from village to village,met traditional several jyothishis, and collected the suppressed manuscripts from their stranglehold . After that, he re-arranged the the available verses and corrected the grammatical mistakes.; and got it published in Hindi.All the commentators in English, to start with, outstanding scholar, late Sri R Santhanam, GcSharma, Suresh chandra mishra etc more or less relied on this version of panditji.The other versions like the one published by sri venkateshara press of Bombay, Pundit Devchand Jha, Ganesh Datta Pathak,Prof N E Muthuswamy etc had similar orgins.To wit, the BPHS available to-day is only a abridged version of the original one.None ,repeat ,none of the commentators, will vouchsafe the slokas given in their version are authentic.Against such a backdrop, it is a mere parody to quote some slokas of the defective versions to counter a genuine question raised.In one version of Yavanajathaka too,there is a sloka mentioning Sun as" krura"But such works are blind & often poor imitation of some genuine one.. Regarding your query in mentioning the Surya Gayatri mantra to the ear , let me tell you, the purpose is to maintain an veil of secrecy & to avoid being overheard by unscrupulous elements leading to the misuse of same..Some times some rahasyamantras too is given along with Gayatri.In some traditional Bramin families practicing Ayurveda in Kerala, during initiation, the disciple is given "AshwiniGayatri "(addressed to Ashwini twins-the physicians of the Gods).Great caution is maintained to ensure that the concerned mantra doesn't reach others; Regards Pranav Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav,You are free to differ from what I have given as my opinion. However before making blanket statements about no astrological text calling Surya Krura, will you care to read BPHS CH.3 Shlokas 11 and 12, which clearly state Surya and others as Krura. It is also likely that you have some versions not known generally to Jyotish world about Surya. May I know the edition you are referring? Perhaps you will care to give reference and quote from Scriptures in support of your argument about Ladies of all age being permitted to recite Surya Gayatri, in similar manner. I would like to know why Surya Gayatri is to be told to son by father in his ear so that no one hears it, at the time of his Upanayan only. Or is this also not according to scriptures that you refer to?Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna Dear Chandrasekharji, Namaskar, Thankyou for your response.However, I beg to differ with you.To call" Sun" as a "Krura", is a misnomer.None of the classical text worth mentioning refers "Sun" as Kroora.Even Bhattotpala,the illustrious commentator of Brihatjathaka considers Sun as a natural malefic and not Krura.However, one of the synonyms of Mars is "Krura".(cruel.) Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo for females is far from truth.Scriptures, abounds with instances of females practising, gayatri mantra and even achieving "siddi"in the same.To name a few Gargi,Maitrayi,Madalasa,Arundhati,Kunthi,Sakhunthala,Devayani,Sita,Sukanya,Parvathy etc are some among them. Our ancients had displayed a great deal of rationality in assigning planetary lordships as well as in the classification of navagrahas into benefics & malefics.The reason of assigning the Sun as a malefic is a missing link , whose real truth should be explored by us collectively. I presume, you too will agree. Regards Pranav Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav,Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self evident. Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead position in summer. Is it pleasant to stand under him?Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote:Hare KrsnaNamaskar to all members,We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to Sun.My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology?Hope members will dispel my doubt.Hare KrsnaPranav-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release 12/20/2004~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. 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Guest guest Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 Many thanks, this is an excellent explanation. Sateesh. ======== - freedom Friday, December 24, 2004 2:32 PM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Please clear my doubt !!! Hare Rama Krsna The Sun as a malefic (just to add a little): Not only is the Sun hot in midday but Ayurveda shastra tells us that the midday Sun poisons the blood. It does this by increasing Pitta which hurts liver function and then causes toxicity of the blood resulting in bad skin reactions. Vitiation of Pitta destroys the liver, the eyes, makes you go bald, makes the skin loose pigment, etc. The Sun rules government, how many people like the government? How many people like paying taxes? How many people like getting fines and tickets? Look what happens to planets too close to the Sun, they get burnt up. Power doesn’t let competitors get too close to the throne. In the ancient days, when their was a change of king in the Muslim world, anyone who might also have connection to the throne would disappear, there are some stories of hundreds of half brothers getting tired in bags and throne into the river. Power is a harsh reality. Other malefics are tamasic, which gives them harshness for negative reasons. The Sun is Sattvic so it is harsh but for good purposes in general. The king punishes people to uphold the working of the state. Look at Lord Rama, he even sent away his wife to uphold the Dharma (reminiscent of the wife of the Sun leaving him because of his excessive heat). Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.4 - Release 22/12/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 ... hamsasso.aham .. Dear Pranav, I thought I'd comment on a couple of minor points. > The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to Sun. Let us briefly examine this often repeated fact: Mantras in the gayatri chandas consist of 3 feet of 8 syllables each. The first foot of the Savitur mantra consists of only 7 syllables. As per parampara, the chandas for the mantra as used in japa is actually nicrud-gayatri (defective gayatri). Some people play some tricks by including the omkara in the count or by adding a vowel in the middle, or by counting the svarita as 2 vayu gulikas to extend the count. But, none of these solve the problem, and make little sense to me. Parts of the sandhya-vandanam (arghya pradaanam, surya upasthaanam) are addressed to surya. However, this does not mean the same for the mantra japa. Prior to the japa, we invoke the 3 feminine deities (gayatri, savitri, saraswati) who are the consorts of the trimurtis. The devata for the mantra is savitur (a female deity) and not surya. If you want furthur proof, look at the chandas. It is basically a gayatri chandas which is addressed to the 8 vasus (which represent the female aspects of creation). We would expect a great world famous mantra addressed to surya to be written in a chandas like jagati, which has 12 syllables in each pada, addressed to the 12 adityas. The famous Savitur mantra is neither _truly_ a gayatri mantra, nor is it _truly_ addressed at Surya. > Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo for females is far > from truth. I am not satisfied one way or the other on this touchy subject. All I can say is that I cannot accept your "proof". The vedas mention various mantra drashtas (seers) to whom mantras are revealed. This revelation can happen to anyone at anytime. There is no requirement that every seer was initiated into the savitur gayatri. If this was the case, there could have been no rishis before Vishwamitra, and we know that this is certainly not the case.There is no requirement that every seer was male. There is no requirement that every seer was a brahmana. There is no necessary relationship between drashtas and the savitur gayatri. Furthur, the savitur gayatri is not the same as savitur vidya. We are told that by doing our swadharma, we can become jivan-muktis. Nowhere is it written that the gayatri vidya / gayatri mantra is the swadharma for all mankind. To be very clear, I am not personally for or against your stance....just pointing out some other facts that you may wish to consider. ajit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 Dear Pranav, Would you care to stick to the point and quote scriptures about recital of Surya Gayatri that you commented about. I do not remember that the original post was to do with Ashwini Gayatri.Since you equate Ashwini Gayatri Mantra to Surya Gayatri, I can not comment. Instead of offering unconnected arguments, perhaps you would care to quote scriptures that you think are authentic. For your kind information it was Devachandra Jha who collected the manuscript of B.P.H.S. There is also one manuscript available with Tirupati University. You have not indicated which of the various editions you have mentioned as authentic and whether that too does not give the shloka quoted. However since you want to treat all Jyotish works as "Blind", may I know which astrological text is the version authenticated by the writer himself, according to you. I would appreciate if you avoid verbose answers and stick to giving the Page and edition on which author of ancient classic has authenticated the text, by putting his seal and claiming the work as entirely his own. In so far as Varaha Mihira is concerned since you considered his in print text as the only authentic text, it might benefit you to find how many versions of his work are claimed to exist and where. Chandrashekhar. pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna Dear Chandrashekharji, Namaskar As a research student in Hindu jyotish, I too got the highest regard for BPHS, for in terms of pith, other works are just secondary to it (not forgetting,that the Palmyra leaves writings of anonymous writers in Tamil & Malayalam, contains gems of astrological wisdom, seldom seen in Sanskrit text).To know the genesis of BPHS available in print to-day, you should, at the outset, know the painstaking work done by late Pundit Seetharam jha.It was he, sensing the immense value of this work, went from village to village,met traditional several jyothishis, and collected the suppressed manuscripts from their stranglehold . After that, he re-arranged the the available verses and corrected the grammatical mistakes.; and got it published in Hindi.All the commentators in English, to start with, outstanding scholar, late Sri R Santhanam, GcSharma, Suresh chandra mishra etc more or less relied on this version of panditji.The other versions like the one published by sri venkateshara press of Bombay, Pundit Devchand Jha, Ganesh Datta Pathak,Prof N E Muthuswamy etc had similar orgins.To wit, the BPHS available to-day is only a abridged version of the original one.None ,repeat ,none of the commentators, will vouchsafe the slokas given in their version are authentic.Against such a backdrop, it is a mere parody to quote some slokas of the defective versions to counter a genuine question raised.In one version of Yavanajathaka too,there is a sloka mentioning Sun as" krura"But such works are blind & often poor imitation of some genuine one.. Regarding your query in mentioning the Surya Gayatri mantra to the ear , let me tell you, the purpose is to maintain an veil of secrecy & to avoid being overheard by unscrupulous elements leading to the misuse of same..Some times some rahasyamantras too is given along with Gayatri.In some traditional Bramin families practicing Ayurveda in Kerala, during initiation, the disciple is given "AshwiniGayatri "(addressed to Ashwini twins-the physicians of the Gods).Great caution is maintained to ensure that the concerned mantra doesn't reach others; Regards Pranav Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav, You are free to differ from what I have given as my opinion. However before making blanket statements about no astrological text calling Surya Krura, will you care to read BPHS CH.3 Shlokas 11 and 12, which clearly state Surya and others as Krura. It is also likely that you have some versions not known generally to Jyotish world about Surya. May I know the edition you are referring? Perhaps you will care to give reference and quote from Scriptures in support of your argument about Ladies of all age being permitted to recite Surya Gayatri, in similar manner. I would like to know why Surya Gayatri is to be told to son by father in his ear so that no one hears it, at the time of his Upanayan only. Or is this also not according to scriptures that you refer to? Chandrashekhar. pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna Dear Chandrasekharji, Namaskar, Thankyou for your response.However, I beg to differ with you.To call" Sun" as a "Krura", is a misnomer.None of the classical text worth mentioning refers "Sun" as Kroora.Even Bhattotpala,the illustrious commentator of Brihatjathaka considers Sun as a natural malefic and not Krura.However, one of the synonyms of Mars is "Krura".(cruel.) Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo for females is far from truth.Scriptures, abounds with instances of females practising, gayatri mantra and even achieving "siddi"in the same.To name a few Gargi,Maitrayi,Madalasa,Arundhati,Kunthi,Sakhunthala,Devayani,Sita,Sukanya,Parvathy etc are some among them. Our ancients had displayed a great deal of rationality in assigning planetary lordships as well as in the classification of navagrahas into benefics & malefics.The reason of assigning the Sun as a malefic is a missing link , whose real truth should be explored by us collectively. I presume, you too will agree. Regards Pranav Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav, Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self evident. Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead position in summer. Is it pleasant to stand under him? Chandrashekhar. pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna Namaskar to all members, We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to Sun. My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology? Hope members will dispel my doubt. Hare Krsna Pranav -- Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release 12/20/2004 ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. 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Guest guest Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 Dear Chandrasekarji, I regret to take note that you have gone off the track and is making baseless allegation.I never equated Surya Gayatri with Ashwini Gayatri.In fact, I was answering a query posted by you in the earlier mail, citing an example..Similarly, your contention that it was Dev chand jha, who meticulously collected the manuscripts & compiled the Bphs is also fallacious..Those who are in the field of jyotish knows the truth.;and there is no need for a debate on this score.I never mentioned in any of my letters that "Brihatjathaka" is the be all and end all of jyotish.However, I am yet to come across a version of the same where the original slokas widely differ.I just don't understand what you want me to quote from the scriptures.My question is without any ambuiguity.ie why Sun is considered as a natural malefic in jyotish? The question was raised;since excogitation of the same seems elusive for me. Regards Pranav a<chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav,Would you care to stick to the point and quote scriptures about recital of Surya Gayatri that you commented about. I do not remember that the original post was to do with Ashwini Gayatri.Since you equate Ashwini Gayatri Mantra to Surya Gayatri, I can not comment. Instead of offering unconnected arguments, perhaps you would care to quote scriptures that you think are authentic.For your kind information it was Devachandra Jha who collected the manuscript of B.P.H.S. There is also one manuscript available with Tirupati University. You have not indicated which of the various editions you have mentioned as authentic and whether that too does not give the shloka quoted.However since you want to treat all Jyotish works as "Blind", may I know which astrological text is the version authenticated by the writer himself, according to you. I would appreciate if you avoid verbose answers and stick to giving the Page and edition on which author of ancient classic has authenticated the text, by putting his seal and claiming the work as entirely his own.In so far as Varaha Mihira is concerned since you considered his in print text as the only authentic text, it might benefit you to find how many versions of his work are claimed to exist and where.Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna Dear Chandrashekharji, Namaskar As a research student in Hindu jyotish, I too got the highest regard for BPHS, for in terms of pith, other works are just secondary to it (not forgetting,that the Palmyra leaves writings of anonymous writers in Tamil & Malayalam, contains gems of astrological wisdom, seldom seen in Sanskrit text).To know the genesis of BPHS available in print to-day, you should, at the outset, know the painstaking work done by late Pundit Seetharam jha.It was he, sensing the immense value of this work, went from village to village,met traditional several jyothishis, and collected the suppressed manuscripts from their stranglehold . After that, he re-arranged the the available verses and corrected the grammatical mistakes.; and got it published in Hindi.All the commentators in English, to start with, outstanding scholar, late Sri R Santhanam, GcSharma, Suresh chandra mishra etc more or less relied on this version of panditji.The other versions like the one published by sri venkateshara press of Bombay, Pundit Devchand Jha, Ganesh Datta Pathak,Prof N E Muthuswamy etc had similar orgins.To wit, the BPHS available to-day is only a abridged version of the original one.None ,repeat ,none of the commentators, will vouchsafe the slokas given in their version are authentic.Against such a backdrop, it is a mere parody to quote some slokas of the defective versions to counter a genuine question raised.In one version of Yavanajathaka too,there is a sloka mentioning Sun as" krura"But such works are blind & often poor imitation of some genuine one.. Regarding your query in mentioning the Surya Gayatri mantra to the ear , let me tell you, the purpose is to maintain an veil of secrecy & to avoid being overheard by unscrupulous elements leading to the misuse of same..Some times some rahasyamantras too is given along with Gayatri.In some traditional Bramin families practicing Ayurveda in Kerala, during initiation, the disciple is given "AshwiniGayatri "(addressed to Ashwini twins-the physicians of the Gods).Great caution is maintained to ensure that the concerned mantra doesn't reach others; Regards Pranav Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav,You are free to differ from what I have given as my opinion. However before making blanket statements about no astrological text calling Surya Krura, will you care to read BPHS CH.3 Shlokas 11 and 12, which clearly state Surya and others as Krura. It is also likely that you have some versions not known generally to Jyotish world about Surya. May I know the edition you are referring? Perhaps you will care to give reference and quote from Scriptures in support of your argument about Ladies of all age being permitted to recite Surya Gayatri, in similar manner. I would like to know why Surya Gayatri is to be told to son by father in his ear so that no one hears it, at the time of his Upanayan only. Or is this also not according to scriptures that you refer to?Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna Dear Chandrasekharji, Namaskar, Thankyou for your response.However, I beg to differ with you.To call" Sun" as a "Krura", is a misnomer.None of the classical text worth mentioning refers "Sun" as Kroora.Even Bhattotpala,the illustrious commentator of Brihatjathaka considers Sun as a natural malefic and not Krura.However, one of the synonyms of Mars is "Krura".(cruel.) Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo for females is far from truth.Scriptures, abounds with instances of females practising, gayatri mantra and even achieving "siddi"in the same.To name a few Gargi,Maitrayi,Madalasa,Arundhati,Kunthi,Sakhunthala,Devayani,Sita,Sukanya,Parvathy etc are some among them. Our ancients had displayed a great deal of rationality in assigning planetary lordships as well as in the classification of navagrahas into benefics & malefics.The reason of assigning the Sun as a malefic is a missing link , whose real truth should be explored by us collectively. I presume, you too will agree. Regards Pranav Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav,Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self evident. Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead position in summer. Is it pleasant to stand under him?Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote:Hare KrsnaNamaskar to all members,We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to Sun.My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology?Hope members will dispel my doubt.Hare KrsnaPranav-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release 12/20/2004~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. 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Guest guest Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 Hare Krsna ! Dear Chandrasekarji, I regret to take note that you have gone off the track and is making baseless allegation.I never equated Surya Gayatri with Ashwini Gayatri.In fact, I was answering a query posted by you in the earlier mail, citing an example..Similarly, your contention that it was Dev chand jha, who meticulously collected the manuscripts & compiled the Bphs is also fallacious..Those who are in the field of jyotish knows the truth.;and there is no need for a debate on this score.I never mentioned in any of my letters that "Brihatjathaka" is the be all and end all of jyotish.However, I am yet to come across a version of the same where the original slokas widely differ.I just don't understand what you want me to quote from the scriptures.My question is without any ambuiguity.ie why Sun is considered as a natural malefic in jyotish? The question was raised;since excogitation of the same seems elusive for me. Regards PranavChandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav,Would you care to stick to the point and quote scriptures about recital of Surya Gayatri that you commented about. I do not remember that the original post was to do with Ashwini Gayatri.Since you equate Ashwini Gayatri Mantra to Surya Gayatri, I can not comment. Instead of offering unconnected arguments, perhaps you would care to quote scriptures that you think are authentic.For your kind information it was Devachandra Jha who collected the manuscript of B.P.H.S. There is also one manuscript available with Tirupati University. You have not indicated which of the various editions you have mentioned as authentic and whether that too does not give the shloka quoted.However since you want to treat all Jyotish works as "Blind", may I know which astrological text is the version authenticated by the writer himself, according to you. I would appreciate if you avoid verbose answers and stick to giving the Page and edition on which author of ancient classic has authenticated the text, by putting his seal and claiming the work as entirely his own.In so far as Varaha Mihira is concerned since you considered his in print text as the only authentic text, it might benefit you to find how many versions of his work are claimed to exist and where.Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna Dear Chandrashekharji, Namaskar As a research student in Hindu jyotish, I too got the highest regard for BPHS, for in terms of pith, other works are just secondary to it (not forgetting,that the Palmyra leaves writings of anonymous writers in Tamil & Malayalam, contains gems of astrological wisdom, seldom seen in Sanskrit text).To know the genesis of BPHS available in print to-day, you should, at the outset, know the painstaking work done by late Pundit Seetharam jha.It was he, sensing the immense value of this work, went from village to village,met traditional several jyothishis, and collected the suppressed manuscripts from their stranglehold . After that, he re-arranged the the available verses and corrected the grammatical mistakes.; and got it published in Hindi.All the commentators in English, to start with, outstanding scholar, late Sri R Santhanam, GcSharma, Suresh chandra mishra etc more or less relied on this version of panditji.The other versions like the one published by sri venkateshara press of Bombay, Pundit Devchand Jha, Ganesh Datta Pathak,Prof N E Muthuswamy etc had similar orgins.To wit, the BPHS available to-day is only a abridged version of the original one.None ,repeat ,none of the commentators, will vouchsafe the slokas given in their version are authentic.Against such a backdrop, it is a mere parody to quote some slokas of the defective versions to counter a genuine question raised.In one version of Yavanajathaka too,there is a sloka mentioning Sun as" krura"But such works are blind & often poor imitation of some genuine one.. Regarding your query in mentioning the Surya Gayatri mantra to the ear , let me tell you, the purpose is to maintain an veil of secrecy & to avoid being overheard by unscrupulous elements leading to the misuse of same..Some times some rahasyamantras too is given along with Gayatri.In some traditional Bramin families practicing Ayurveda in Kerala, during initiation, the disciple is given "AshwiniGayatri "(addressed to Ashwini twins-the physicians of the Gods).Great caution is maintained to ensure that the concerned mantra doesn't reach others; Regards Pranav Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav,You are free to differ from what I have given as my opinion. However before making blanket statements about no astrological text calling Surya Krura, will you care to read BPHS CH.3 Shlokas 11 and 12, which clearly state Surya and others as Krura. It is also likely that you have some versions not known generally to Jyotish world about Surya. May I know the edition you are referring? Perhaps you will care to give reference and quote from Scriptures in support of your argument about Ladies of all age being permitted to recite Surya Gayatri, in similar manner. I would like to know why Surya Gayatri is to be told to son by father in his ear so that no one hears it, at the time of his Upanayan only. Or is this also not according to scriptures that you refer to?Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna Dear Chandrasekharji, Namaskar, Thankyou for your response.However, I beg to differ with you.To call" Sun" as a "Krura", is a misnomer.None of the classical text worth mentioning refers "Sun" as Kroora.Even Bhattotpala,the illustrious commentator of Brihatjathaka considers Sun as a natural malefic and not Krura.However, one of the synonyms of Mars is "Krura".(cruel.) Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo for females is far from truth.Scriptures, abounds with instances of females practising, gayatri mantra and even achieving "siddi"in the same.To name a few Gargi,Maitrayi,Madalasa,Arundhati,Kunthi,Sakhunthala,Devayani,Sita,Sukanya,Parvathy etc are some among them. Our ancients had displayed a great deal of rationality in assigning planetary lordships as well as in the classification of navagrahas into benefics & malefics.The reason of assigning the Sun as a malefic is a missing link , whose real truth should be explored by us collectively. I presume, you too will agree. Regards Pranav Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav,Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self evident. Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead position in summer. Is it pleasant to stand under him?Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote:Hare KrsnaNamaskar to all members,We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to Sun.My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology?Hope members will dispel my doubt.Hare KrsnaPranav-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release 12/20/2004~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. 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Guest guest Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 Hare Krsna ! Dear Chandrasekarji, I regret to take note that you have gone off the track and is making baseless allegation.I never equated Surya Gayatri with Ashwini Gayatri.In fact, I was answering a query posted by you in the earlier mail, citing an example..Similarly, your contention that it was Dev chand jha, who meticulously collected the manuscripts & compiled the Bphs is also fallacious..Those who are in the field of jyotish knows the truth.;and there is no need for a debate on this score.I never mentioned in any of my letters that "Brihatjathaka" is the be all and end all of jyotish.However, I am yet to come across a version of the same where the original slokas widely differ.I just don't understand what you want me to quote from the scriptures.My question is without any ambuiguity.ie why Sun is considered as a natural malefic in jyotish? The question was raised;since excogitation of the same seems elusive for me. Regards PranavChandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav,Would you care to stick to the point and quote scriptures about recital of Surya Gayatri that you commented about. I do not remember that the original post was to do with Ashwini Gayatri.Since you equate Ashwini Gayatri Mantra to Surya Gayatri, I can not comment. Instead of offering unconnected arguments, perhaps you would care to quote scriptures that you think are authentic.For your kind information it was Devachandra Jha who collected the manuscript of B.P.H.S. There is also one manuscript available with Tirupati University. You have not indicated which of the various editions you have mentioned as authentic and whether that too does not give the shloka quoted.However since you want to treat all Jyotish works as "Blind", may I know which astrological text is the version authenticated by the writer himself, according to you. I would appreciate if you avoid verbose answers and stick to giving the Page and edition on which author of ancient classic has authenticated the text, by putting his seal and claiming the work as entirely his own.In so far as Varaha Mihira is concerned since you considered his in print text as the only authentic text, it might benefit you to find how many versions of his work are claimed to exist and where.Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna Dear Chandrashekharji, Namaskar As a research student in Hindu jyotish, I too got the highest regard for BPHS, for in terms of pith, other works are just secondary to it (not forgetting,that the Palmyra leaves writings of anonymous writers in Tamil & Malayalam, contains gems of astrological wisdom, seldom seen in Sanskrit text).To know the genesis of BPHS available in print to-day, you should, at the outset, know the painstaking work done by late Pundit Seetharam jha.It was he, sensing the immense value of this work, went from village to village,met traditional several jyothishis, and collected the suppressed manuscripts from their stranglehold . After that, he re-arranged the the available verses and corrected the grammatical mistakes.; and got it published in Hindi.All the commentators in English, to start with, outstanding scholar, late Sri R Santhanam, GcSharma, Suresh chandra mishra etc more or less relied on this version of panditji.The other versions like the one published by sri venkateshara press of Bombay, Pundit Devchand Jha, Ganesh Datta Pathak,Prof N E Muthuswamy etc had similar orgins.To wit, the BPHS available to-day is only a abridged version of the original one.None ,repeat ,none of the commentators, will vouchsafe the slokas given in their version are authentic.Against such a backdrop, it is a mere parody to quote some slokas of the defective versions to counter a genuine question raised.In one version of Yavanajathaka too,there is a sloka mentioning Sun as" krura"But such works are blind & often poor imitation of some genuine one.. Regarding your query in mentioning the Surya Gayatri mantra to the ear , let me tell you, the purpose is to maintain an veil of secrecy & to avoid being overheard by unscrupulous elements leading to the misuse of same..Some times some rahasyamantras too is given along with Gayatri.In some traditional Bramin families practicing Ayurveda in Kerala, during initiation, the disciple is given "AshwiniGayatri "(addressed to Ashwini twins-the physicians of the Gods).Great caution is maintained to ensure that the concerned mantra doesn't reach others; Regards Pranav Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav,You are free to differ from what I have given as my opinion. However before making blanket statements about no astrological text calling Surya Krura, will you care to read BPHS CH.3 Shlokas 11 and 12, which clearly state Surya and others as Krura. It is also likely that you have some versions not known generally to Jyotish world about Surya. May I know the edition you are referring? Perhaps you will care to give reference and quote from Scriptures in support of your argument about Ladies of all age being permitted to recite Surya Gayatri, in similar manner. I would like to know why Surya Gayatri is to be told to son by father in his ear so that no one hears it, at the time of his Upanayan only. Or is this also not according to scriptures that you refer to?Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna Dear Chandrasekharji, Namaskar, Thankyou for your response.However, I beg to differ with you.To call" Sun" as a "Krura", is a misnomer.None of the classical text worth mentioning refers "Sun" as Kroora.Even Bhattotpala,the illustrious commentator of Brihatjathaka considers Sun as a natural malefic and not Krura.However, one of the synonyms of Mars is "Krura".(cruel.) Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo for females is far from truth.Scriptures, abounds with instances of females practising, gayatri mantra and even achieving "siddi"in the same.To name a few Gargi,Maitrayi,Madalasa,Arundhati,Kunthi,Sakhunthala,Devayani,Sita,Sukanya,Parvathy etc are some among them. Our ancients had displayed a great deal of rationality in assigning planetary lordships as well as in the classification of navagrahas into benefics & malefics.The reason of assigning the Sun as a malefic is a missing link , whose real truth should be explored by us collectively. I presume, you too will agree. Regards Pranav Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav,Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self evident. Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead position in summer. Is it pleasant to stand under him?Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote:Hare KrsnaNamaskar to all members,We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to Sun.My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology?Hope members will dispel my doubt.Hare KrsnaPranav-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release 12/20/2004~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. 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Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 Dear Pranav, I do not understand which Jyotish circles you are talking about. Chaukhamba Edition of Devachandra Jha, clearly states that manuscripts were collected by him under his signature. There are other reasons to believe him but they have to do with the style of writing scriptures and other matters, which you do not seem to find worthy of discussions. You could take up the matter of fallacious claims or otherwise with Mr. Devachandra Jha or Chaukhamba Publications Varanasi. I would love to know his response. I asked about scriptural reference as you made certain statements about Surya Gayatri being permitted for Women by scriptures.I therefore assumed, perhaps wrongly, you must have scriptural reference. It appears that is not so. You have talked about a question being raised about Sun being considered Natural Malefic. The answer, was that it is considered Krura, per B.P.H.S. You do not take it to be standard text. Then you speak eloquently about many editions of B.P.H.S. but fail to give shloka from the Graha Adhyaya terming Sun as Malefic and not Krura. Does this, to you, sound like a genuine query? I would explain the fine distinction between Krura and Papa, but as you appear to be opposed to the idea of referring to scriptures, am helpless. Chandrashekhar. pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna ! Dear Chandrasekarji, I regret to take note that you have gone off the track and is making baseless allegation.I never equated Surya Gayatri with Ashwini Gayatri.In fact, I was answering a query posted by you in the earlier mail, citing an example..Similarly, your contention that it was Dev chand jha, who meticulously collected the manuscripts & compiled the Bphs is also fallacious..Those who are in the field of jyotish knows the truth.;and there is no need for a debate on this score.I never mentioned in any of my letters that "Brihatjathaka" is the be all and end all of jyotish.However, I am yet to come across a version of the same where the original slokas widely differ.I just don't understand what you want me to quote from the scriptures.My question is without any ambuiguity.ie why Sun is considered as a natural malefic in jyotish? The question was raised;since excogitation of the same seems elusive for me. Regards Pranav a<chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav, Would you care to stick to the point and quote scriptures about recital of Surya Gayatri that you commented about. I do not remember that the original post was to do with Ashwini Gayatri.Since you equate Ashwini Gayatri Mantra to Surya Gayatri, I can not comment. Instead of offering unconnected arguments, perhaps you would care to quote scriptures that you think are authentic. For your kind information it was Devachandra Jha who collected the manuscript of B.P.H.S. There is also one manuscript available with Tirupati University. You have not indicated which of the various editions you have mentioned as authentic and whether that too does not give the shloka quoted. However since you want to treat all Jyotish works as "Blind", may I know which astrological text is the version authenticated by the writer himself, according to you. I would appreciate if you avoid verbose answers and stick to giving the Page and edition on which author of ancient classic has authenticated the text, by putting his seal and claiming the work as entirely his own. In so far as Varaha Mihira is concerned since you considered his in print text as the only authentic text, it might benefit you to find how many versions of his work are claimed to exist and where. Chandrashekhar. pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna Dear Chandrashekharji, Namaskar As a research student in Hindu jyotish, I too got the highest regard for BPHS, for in terms of pith, other works are just secondary to it (not forgetting,that the Palmyra leaves writings of anonymous writers in Tamil & Malayalam, contains gems of astrological wisdom, seldom seen in Sanskrit text).To know the genesis of BPHS available in print to-day, you should, at the outset, know the painstaking work done by late Pundit Seetharam jha.It was he, sensing the immense value of this work, went from village to village,met traditional several jyothishis, and collected the suppressed manuscripts from their stranglehold . After that, he re-arranged the the available verses and corrected the grammatical mistakes.; and got it published in Hindi.All the commentators in English, to start with, outstanding scholar, late Sri R Santhanam, GcSharma, Suresh chandra mishra etc more or less relied on this version of panditji.The other versions like the one published by sri venkateshara press of Bombay, Pundit Devchand Jha, Ganesh Datta Pathak,Prof N E Muthuswamy etc had similar orgins.To wit, the BPHS available to-day is only a abridged version of the original one.None ,repeat ,none of the commentators, will vouchsafe the slokas given in their version are authentic.Against such a backdrop, it is a mere parody to quote some slokas of the defective versions to counter a genuine question raised.In one version of Yavanajathaka too,there is a sloka mentioning Sun as" krura"But such works are blind & often poor imitation of some genuine one.. Regarding your query in mentioning the Surya Gayatri mantra to the ear , let me tell you, the purpose is to maintain an veil of secrecy & to avoid being overheard by unscrupulous elements leading to the misuse of same..Some times some rahasyamantras too is given along with Gayatri.In some traditional Bramin families practicing Ayurveda in Kerala, during initiation, the disciple is given "AshwiniGayatri "(addressed to Ashwini twins-the physicians of the Gods).Great caution is maintained to ensure that the concerned mantra doesn't reach others; Regards Pranav Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav, You are free to differ from what I have given as my opinion. However before making blanket statements about no astrological text calling Surya Krura, will you care to read BPHS CH.3 Shlokas 11 and 12, which clearly state Surya and others as Krura. It is also likely that you have some versions not known generally to Jyotish world about Surya. May I know the edition you are referring? Perhaps you will care to give reference and quote from Scriptures in support of your argument about Ladies of all age being permitted to recite Surya Gayatri, in similar manner. I would like to know why Surya Gayatri is to be told to son by father in his ear so that no one hears it, at the time of his Upanayan only. Or is this also not according to scriptures that you refer to? Chandrashekhar. pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna Dear Chandrasekharji, Namaskar, Thankyou for your response.However, I beg to differ with you.To call" Sun" as a "Krura", is a misnomer.None of the classical text worth mentioning refers "Sun" as Kroora.Even Bhattotpala,the illustrious commentator of Brihatjathaka considers Sun as a natural malefic and not Krura.However, one of the synonyms of Mars is "Krura".(cruel.) Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo for females is far from truth.Scriptures, abounds with instances of females practising, gayatri mantra and even achieving "siddi"in the same.To name a few Gargi,Maitrayi,Madalasa,Arundhati,Kunthi,Sakhunthala,Devayani,Sita,Sukanya,Parvathy etc are some among them. Our ancients had displayed a great deal of rationality in assigning planetary lordships as well as in the classification of navagrahas into benefics & malefics.The reason of assigning the Sun as a malefic is a missing link , whose real truth should be explored by us collectively. I presume, you too will agree. Regards Pranav Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav, Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self evident. Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead position in summer. Is it pleasant to stand under him? Chandrashekhar. pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna Namaskar to all members, We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to Sun. My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology? Hope members will dispel my doubt. Hare Krsna Pranav -- Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release 12/20/2004 ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. 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Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 Dear Pranav, I do not understand which Jyotish circles you are talking about. Chaukhamba Edition of Devachandra Jha, clearly states that manuscripts were collected by him under his signature. There are other reasons to believe him but they have to do with the style of writing scriptures and other matters, which you do not seem to find worthy of discussions. You could take up the matter of fallacious claims or otherwise with Mr. Devachandra Jha or Chaukhamba Publications Varanasi. I would love to know his response. I asked about scriptural reference as you made certain statements about Surya Gayatri being permitted for Women by scriptures.I therefore assumed, perhaps wrongly, you must have scriptural reference. It appears that is not so. You have talked about a question being raised about Sun being considered Natural Malefic. The answer, was that it is considered Krura, per B.P.H.S. You do not take it to be standard text. Then you speak eloquently about many editions of B.P.H.S. but fail to give shloka from the Graha Adhyaya terming Sun as Malefic and not Krura. Does this, to you, sound like a genuine query? I would explain the fine distinction between Krura and Papa, but as you appear to be opposed to the idea of referring to scriptures, am helpless. Chandrashekhar. pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna ! Dear Chandrasekarji, I regret to take note that you have gone off the track and is making baseless allegation.I never equated Surya Gayatri with Ashwini Gayatri.In fact, I was answering a query posted by you in the earlier mail, citing an example..Similarly, your contention that it was Dev chand jha, who meticulously collected the manuscripts & compiled the Bphs is also fallacious..Those who are in the field of jyotish knows the truth.;and there is no need for a debate on this score.I never mentioned in any of my letters that "Brihatjathaka" is the be all and end all of jyotish.However, I am yet to come across a version of the same where the original slokas widely differ.I just don't understand what you want me to quote from the scriptures.My question is without any ambuiguity.ie why Sun is considered as a natural malefic in jyotish? The question was raised;since excogitation of the same seems elusive for me. Regards Pranav a<chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav, Would you care to stick to the point and quote scriptures about recital of Surya Gayatri that you commented about. I do not remember that the original post was to do with Ashwini Gayatri.Since you equate Ashwini Gayatri Mantra to Surya Gayatri, I can not comment. Instead of offering unconnected arguments, perhaps you would care to quote scriptures that you think are authentic. For your kind information it was Devachandra Jha who collected the manuscript of B.P.H.S. There is also one manuscript available with Tirupati University. You have not indicated which of the various editions you have mentioned as authentic and whether that too does not give the shloka quoted. However since you want to treat all Jyotish works as "Blind", may I know which astrological text is the version authenticated by the writer himself, according to you. I would appreciate if you avoid verbose answers and stick to giving the Page and edition on which author of ancient classic has authenticated the text, by putting his seal and claiming the work as entirely his own. In so far as Varaha Mihira is concerned since you considered his in print text as the only authentic text, it might benefit you to find how many versions of his work are claimed to exist and where. Chandrashekhar. pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna Dear Chandrashekharji, Namaskar As a research student in Hindu jyotish, I too got the highest regard for BPHS, for in terms of pith, other works are just secondary to it (not forgetting,that the Palmyra leaves writings of anonymous writers in Tamil & Malayalam, contains gems of astrological wisdom, seldom seen in Sanskrit text).To know the genesis of BPHS available in print to-day, you should, at the outset, know the painstaking work done by late Pundit Seetharam jha.It was he, sensing the immense value of this work, went from village to village,met traditional several jyothishis, and collected the suppressed manuscripts from their stranglehold . After that, he re-arranged the the available verses and corrected the grammatical mistakes.; and got it published in Hindi.All the commentators in English, to start with, outstanding scholar, late Sri R Santhanam, GcSharma, Suresh chandra mishra etc more or less relied on this version of panditji.The other versions like the one published by sri venkateshara press of Bombay, Pundit Devchand Jha, Ganesh Datta Pathak,Prof N E Muthuswamy etc had similar orgins.To wit, the BPHS available to-day is only a abridged version of the original one.None ,repeat ,none of the commentators, will vouchsafe the slokas given in their version are authentic.Against such a backdrop, it is a mere parody to quote some slokas of the defective versions to counter a genuine question raised.In one version of Yavanajathaka too,there is a sloka mentioning Sun as" krura"But such works are blind & often poor imitation of some genuine one.. Regarding your query in mentioning the Surya Gayatri mantra to the ear , let me tell you, the purpose is to maintain an veil of secrecy & to avoid being overheard by unscrupulous elements leading to the misuse of same..Some times some rahasyamantras too is given along with Gayatri.In some traditional Bramin families practicing Ayurveda in Kerala, during initiation, the disciple is given "AshwiniGayatri "(addressed to Ashwini twins-the physicians of the Gods).Great caution is maintained to ensure that the concerned mantra doesn't reach others; Regards Pranav Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav, You are free to differ from what I have given as my opinion. However before making blanket statements about no astrological text calling Surya Krura, will you care to read BPHS CH.3 Shlokas 11 and 12, which clearly state Surya and others as Krura. It is also likely that you have some versions not known generally to Jyotish world about Surya. May I know the edition you are referring? Perhaps you will care to give reference and quote from Scriptures in support of your argument about Ladies of all age being permitted to recite Surya Gayatri, in similar manner. I would like to know why Surya Gayatri is to be told to son by father in his ear so that no one hears it, at the time of his Upanayan only. Or is this also not according to scriptures that you refer to? Chandrashekhar. pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna Dear Chandrasekharji, Namaskar, Thankyou for your response.However, I beg to differ with you.To call" Sun" as a "Krura", is a misnomer.None of the classical text worth mentioning refers "Sun" as Kroora.Even Bhattotpala,the illustrious commentator of Brihatjathaka considers Sun as a natural malefic and not Krura.However, one of the synonyms of Mars is "Krura".(cruel.) Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo for females is far from truth.Scriptures, abounds with instances of females practising, gayatri mantra and even achieving "siddi"in the same.To name a few Gargi,Maitrayi,Madalasa,Arundhati,Kunthi,Sakhunthala,Devayani,Sita,Sukanya,Parvathy etc are some among them. Our ancients had displayed a great deal of rationality in assigning planetary lordships as well as in the classification of navagrahas into benefics & malefics.The reason of assigning the Sun as a malefic is a missing link , whose real truth should be explored by us collectively. I presume, you too will agree. Regards Pranav Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav, Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self evident. Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead position in summer. Is it pleasant to stand under him? Chandrashekhar. pranav siva wrote: Hare Krsna Namaskar to all members, We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to Sun. My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology? Hope members will dispel my doubt. Hare Krsna Pranav -- Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release 12/20/2004 ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. 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