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Namaskar to all members,

We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant cannot

grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is based on

the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in jyotish attributed

to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental work Brihatjathaka,

with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana'

The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to Sun.

My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology?

Hope members will dispel my doubt.

Hare Krsna

Pranav

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Dear Pranav Ji and List,

I too have this doubt and my mind is not accepting

Sun and Ketu as malefic at all. Ketu for some extend I

can treat it as malefic, but when it comes to sun,

nope - Members please clarify why sun should be

considered as Malefic.

 

Regards

Arvind

 

--- pranav siva <pranavsiva wrote:

 

> Hare Krsna

> Namaskar to all members,

> We know,that the Sun is the source of all living

> beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's

> light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is

> based on the motion of the sun.There are some

> classical treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun

> God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental

> work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of

> Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana'

> The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer

> to Sun.

> My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why

> Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology?

> Hope members will dispel my doubt.

> Hare Krsna

> Pranav

>

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partneronline.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Pranav and Arvind, Namaskar

Sun is considered malefic because of his

ability to scorch and burn. So if you ask some dry-parts of the world, whether

they like the Sun, they will say, “most of the time, but once in a while

it gets too hot!”

Because of this, the Sun is considered a

mild malefic compared to planets like Rahu, Saturn and Mars.

 

But the next step is understanding planets

not as malefics and benefics but as karakas. Here the Sun is the atmakäraka and

karaka for dharma and father. So planets which are inimical towards the Sun are

not good for the father, whilst those friendly are good for the father and

dharma.

Similarly Ketu is karaka for moksha, but

also responsible for increasing the family as well.

Because these two planets karakatvas are

good for spirituality, they can become benefics for those matters alone. This

is why Ketu and Sun are considered friendly in matters of marriage and

spirituality, but Ketu will not be good for health matters (Moon) and education

(Mercury is vidya karaka), whilst the Sun will not be good for matters of

disease (Saturn) and loss (Saturn).

 

In this way you aren’t stuck in the

basic malefic vs benefic indications, and can go beyond and apply it to very

specific circumstances.

 

Best wishes,

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[Om Krishna Guru] Please

clear my doubt !!!

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Hare Krsna

12.0pt">Namaskar to all members,

12.0pt">We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant

cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is

based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in jyotish

attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental work

Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana'

The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to Sun.

12.0pt">My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as

a malefic in Hindu astrology?

12.0pt">Hope members will dispel my doubt.

12.0pt">Hare Krsna

12.0pt">Pranav

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Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

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(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

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Namaskar,

Thankyou for clearing my doubts

Regards

Pranav

Hare KrsnaVisti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Pranav and Arvind, Namaskar

Sun is considered malefic because of his ability to scorch and burn. So if you

ask some dry-parts of the world, whether they like the Sun, they will say,

“most of the time, but once in a while it gets too hot!”

Because of this, the Sun is considered a mild malefic compared to planets like

Rahu, Saturn and Mars.

 

But the next step is understanding planets not as malefics and benefics but as

karakas. Here the Sun is the atmakäraka and karaka for dharma and father. So

planets which are inimical towards the Sun are not good for the father, whilst

those friendly are good for the father and dharma.

Similarly Ketu is karaka for moksha, but also responsible for increasing the family as well.

Because these two planets karakatvas are good for spirituality, they can become

benefics for those matters alone. This is why Ketu and Sun are considered

friendly in matters of marriage and spirituality, but Ketu will not be good for

health matters (Moon) and education (Mercury is vidya karaka), whilst the Sun

will not be good for matters of disease (Saturn) and loss (Saturn).

 

In this way you aren’t stuck in the basic malefic vs benefic indications, and

can go beyond and apply it to very specific circumstances.

 

Best wishes,

Visti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com

visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

 

 

pranav siva [pranavsiva (AT) (DOT) co.in] 21 December 2004

03:00Cc: pranavsiva (AT) (DOT) co.inSubject: [Om

Krishna Guru] Please clear my doubt !!!

 

Hare Krsna

Namaskar to all members,

We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant cannot

grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is based on

the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in jyotish attributed

to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental work Brihatjathaka,

with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana'

The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to Sun.

My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology?

Hope members will dispel my doubt.

Hare Krsna

Pranav

India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. ~ om tat sat ~Thank you

for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the

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for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

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Dear Pranav,

Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies

whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self

evident. Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead

position in summer. Is it pleasant to stand under him?

Chandrashekhar.

 

pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna

Namaskar to all members,

We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant

cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology

is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in

jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his

monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our

scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is

an adulation and prayer to Sun.

My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as a

malefic in Hindu astrology?

Hope members will dispel my doubt.

Hare Krsna

Pranav

 

 

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Dear Chandrasekharji,

Namaskar,

Thankyou for your response.However, I beg to differ with you.To call" Sun" as a

"Krura", is a misnomer.None of the classical text worth mentioning refers "Sun"

as Kroora.Even Bhattotpala,the illustrious commentator of Brihatjathaka

considers Sun as a natural malefic and not Krura.However, one of the synonyms

of Mars is "Krura".(cruel.)

Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo for females is far from

truth.Scriptures, abounds with instances of females practising, gayatri mantra

and even achieving "siddi"in the same.To name a few

Gargi,Maitrayi,Madalasa,Arundhati,Kunthi,Sakhunthala,Devayani,Sita,Sukanya,Parvathy

etc are some among them.

Our ancients had displayed a great deal of rationality in assigning planetary

lordships as well as in the classification of navagrahas into benefics &

malefics.The reason of assigning the Sun as a malefic is a missing link , whose

real truth should be explored by us collectively. I presume, you too will

agree.

Regards

Pranav

Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Pranav,Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies

whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self evident.

Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead position in summer. Is

it pleasant to stand under him?Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote:Hare

KrsnaNamaskar to all members,We know,that the Sun is the source of all living

beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire

Hindu astrology is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical

treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his

monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures

mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and

prayer to Sun.My doubt is, inspite of all these

attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology?Hope members

will dispel my doubt.Hare KrsnaPranav-- No virus found in this outgoing

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Hare Rama Krsna

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The Sun as a malefic (just to add a

little):

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Not only is the Sun hot in midday but Ayurveda

shastra tells us that the midday Sun poisons the blood. It does this by

increasing Pitta which hurts liver function and then causes toxicity of the

blood resulting in bad skin reactions. Vitiation of Pitta destroys the liver,

the eyes, makes you go bald, makes the skin loose pigment, etc.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The Sun rules government, how many people

like the government? How many people like paying taxes? How many people like

getting fines and tickets?

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Look what happens to planets too close to

the Sun, they get burnt up. Power doesn’t let competitors get too close

to the throne. In the ancient days, when their was a change of king in the Muslim

world, anyone who might also have connection to the throne would disappear, there

are some stories of hundreds of half brothers getting tired in bags and throne

into the river. Power is a harsh reality.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Other malefics are tamasic, which gives

them harshness for negative reasons. The Sun is Sattvic so it is harsh but for

good purposes in general. The king punishes people to uphold the working of the

state. Look at Lord Rama, he even sent away his wife to uphold the Dharma (reminiscent

of the wife of the Sun leaving him because of his excessive heat).

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Namah Sivaya

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen [visti (AT) (DOT) org]

Tuesday, December 21, 2004

6:01 PM

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru]

Please clear my doubt !!!

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||Hare Rama

Krsna||

Dear Pranav

and Arvind, Namaskar

Sun is considered malefic because of his

ability to scorch and burn. So if you ask some dry-parts of the world, whether

they like the Sun, they will say, “most of the time, but once in a while

it gets too hot!”

Because of this, the Sun is considered a

mild malefic compared to planets like Rahu, Saturn and Mars.

 

But the next step is understanding planets

not as malefics and benefics but as karakas. Here the Sun is the atmakäraka and

karaka for dharma and father. So planets which are inimical towards the Sun are

not good for the father, whilst those friendly are good for the father and

dharma.

Similarly Ketu is karaka for moksha, but

also responsible for increasing the family as well.

Because these two planets karakatvas are

good for spirituality, they can become benefics for those matters alone. This

is why Ketu and Sun are considered friendly in matters of marriage and

spirituality, but Ketu will not be good for health matters (Moon) and education

(Mercury is vidya karaka), whilst the Sun will not be good for matters of

disease (Saturn) and loss (Saturn).

 

In this way you aren’t stuck in the

basic malefic vs benefic indications, and can go beyond and apply it to very

specific circumstances.

 

Best wishes,

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[Om Krishna Guru] Please

clear my doubt !!!

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Hare Krsna

12.0pt">Namaskar to all members,

12.0pt">We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant

cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu astrology is

based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in jyotish

attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his monumental work

Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures mention Sun as

"Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to

Sun.

12.0pt">My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as

a malefic in Hindu astrology?

12.0pt">Hope members will dispel my doubt.

12.0pt">Hare Krsna

12.0pt">Pranav

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Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

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Dear Pranav,

You are free to differ from what I have given as my opinion. However

before making blanket statements about no astrological text calling

Surya Krura, will you care to read BPHS CH.3 Shlokas 11 and 12, which

clearly state Surya and others as Krura. It is also likely that you

have some versions not known generally to Jyotish world about Surya.

May I know the edition you are referring? Perhaps you will care to give

reference and quote from Scriptures in support of your argument about

Ladies of all age being permitted to recite Surya Gayatri, in similar

manner. I would like to know why Surya Gayatri is to be told to son by

father in his ear so that no one hears it, at the time of his Upanayan

only. Or is this also not according to scriptures that you refer to?

Chandrashekhar.

pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna

Dear Chandrasekharji,

Namaskar,

Thankyou for your response.However, I beg to differ with you.To

call" Sun" as a "Krura", is a misnomer.None of the classical text worth

mentioning refers "Sun" as Kroora.Even Bhattotpala,the illustrious

commentator of Brihatjathaka considers Sun as a natural malefic and not

Krura.However, one of the synonyms of Mars is "Krura".(cruel.)

Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo for

females is far from truth.Scriptures, abounds with instances of females

practising, gayatri mantra and even achieving "siddi"in the same.To

name a few

Gargi,Maitrayi,Madalasa,Arundhati,Kunthi,Sakhunthala,Devayani,Sita,Sukanya,Parvathy

etc are some among them.

Our ancients had displayed a great deal of rationality in

assigning planetary lordships as well as in the classification of

navagrahas into benefics & malefics.The reason of assigning the Sun

as a malefic is a missing link , whose real truth should be explored by

us collectively. I presume, you too will agree.

Regards

Pranav

Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote:

Dear

Pranav,

Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies

whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self

evident. Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead

position in summer. Is it pleasant to stand under him?

Chandrashekhar.

pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna

Namaskar to all members,

We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant

cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu

astrology

is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in

jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his

monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our

scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is

an adulation and prayer to Sun.

My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as

a

malefic in Hindu astrology?

Hope members will dispel my doubt.

Hare Krsna

Pranav

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(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that

the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading

today

India Matrimony: Find your life partner

online.

~ om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that

the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading

today

 

 

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||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Pranav, Namaskar

Make sure to read sanskrit along with the

translation. In BPHS, it clearly states in sloka 11: tatraarkashanibhuuputraaH

xiiNendurahuketavaH kruuraaH – meaning that sun, saturn, mars, moon

without light rahu and ketu are krura.

But the translation says otherwise.

Best wishes,

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Re: [Om Krishna Guru]

Please clear my doubt !!!

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Hare Krsna

12.0pt">Dear Chandrasekharji,

12.0pt">Namaskar,

12.0pt">Thankyou for your response.However, I beg to differ with you.To

call" Sun" as a "Krura", is a misnomer.None of the

classical text worth mentioning refers "Sun" as Kroora.Even

Bhattotpala,the illustrious commentator of Brihatjathaka considers Sun as a

natural malefic and not Krura.However, one of the synonyms of Mars is

"Krura".(cruel.)

12.0pt">Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo for females is

far from truth.Scriptures, abounds with instances of females practising, gayatri

mantra and even achieving "siddi"in the same.To name a few

Gargi,Maitrayi,Madalasa,Arundhati,Kunthi,Sakhunthala,Devayani,Sita,Sukanya,Parvathy

etc are some among them.

12.0pt">Our ancients had displayed a great deal of rationality in assigning

planetary lordships as well as in the classification of navagrahas into

benefics & malefics.The reason of assigning the Sun as a malefic is a

missing link , whose real truth should be explored by us

collectively. I presume, you too will agree.

12.0pt">Regards

12.0pt">Pranav

Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

Dear Pranav,

Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa.

Think about why ladies

whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The

reason would be self

evident. Think about what happens when Surya is in

dead overhead

position in summer. Is it pleasant to stand under

him?

Chandrashekhar.

pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna

Namaskar to all members,

We know,that the Sun is the source of all living

beings.Even a plant

cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the

entire Hindu astrology

is based on the motion of the sun.There are some

classical treatise in

jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous

Varahamihaira begins his

monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in

praise of Sun.Our

scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The

famous Gayatri mantra is

an adulation and prayer to Sun.

My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why

Sun is considered as a

malefic in Hindu astrology?

Hope members will dispel my doubt.

Hare Krsna

Pranav

--

 

 

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Release 12/20/2004

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Hare Krsna

Dear Chandrashekharji,

Namaskar

 

As a research student in Hindu jyotish, I too got the highest regard for BPHS,

for in terms of pith, other works are just secondary to it (not forgetting,that

the Palmyra leaves writings of anonymous writers in Tamil & Malayalam, contains

gems of astrological wisdom, seldom seen in Sanskrit text).To know the genesis

of BPHS available in print to-day, you should, at the outset, know the

painstaking work done by late Pundit Seetharam jha.It was he, sensing the

immense value of this work, went from village to village,met traditional

several jyothishis, and collected the suppressed manuscripts from their

stranglehold .

After that, he re-arranged the the available verses and corrected the

grammatical mistakes.; and got it published in Hindi.All the commentators in

English, to start with, outstanding scholar, late Sri R Santhanam, GcSharma,

Suresh chandra mishra etc more or less relied on this version of panditji.The

other versions like the one published by sri venkateshara press of Bombay,

Pundit Devchand Jha, Ganesh Datta Pathak,Prof N E Muthuswamy etc had similar

orgins.To wit, the BPHS available to-day is only a abridged version of the

original one.None ,repeat ,none of the commentators, will vouchsafe the slokas

given in their version are authentic.Against such a backdrop, it is a mere

parody to quote some slokas of the defective versions to counter a genuine

question raised.In one version of Yavanajathaka too,there is a sloka

mentioning Sun as" krura"But such works are blind & often poor

imitation of some genuine one..

Regarding your query in mentioning the Surya Gayatri mantra to the ear , let

me tell you, the purpose is to maintain an veil of secrecy & to avoid being

overheard by unscrupulous elements leading to the misuse of same..Some times

some rahasyamantras too is given along with Gayatri.In some traditional Bramin

families practicing Ayurveda in Kerala, during initiation, the disciple is

given "AshwiniGayatri "(addressed to Ashwini twins-the physicians of the

Gods).Great caution is maintained to ensure that the concerned mantra doesn't

reach others;

Regards

Pranav

 

Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Pranav,You are free to differ from what I have given as my opinion. However

before making blanket statements about no astrological text calling Surya Krura,

will you care to read BPHS CH.3 Shlokas 11 and 12, which clearly state Surya and

others as Krura. It is also likely that you have some versions not known

generally to Jyotish world about Surya. May I know the edition you are

referring? Perhaps you will care to give reference and quote from Scriptures in

support of your argument about Ladies of all age being permitted to recite Surya

Gayatri, in similar manner. I would like to know why Surya Gayatri is to be told

to son by father in his ear so that no one hears it, at the time of his Upanayan

only. Or is this also not according to scriptures that you refer

to?Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna

Dear Chandrasekharji,

Namaskar,

Thankyou for your response.However, I beg to differ with you.To call" Sun" as a

"Krura", is a misnomer.None of the classical text worth mentioning refers "Sun"

as Kroora.Even Bhattotpala,the illustrious commentator of Brihatjathaka

considers Sun as a natural malefic and not Krura.However, one of the synonyms

of Mars is "Krura".(cruel.)

Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo for females is far from

truth.Scriptures, abounds with instances of females practising, gayatri mantra

and even achieving "siddi"in the same.To name a few

Gargi,Maitrayi,Madalasa,Arundhati,Kunthi,Sakhunthala,Devayani,Sita,Sukanya,Parvathy

etc are some among them.

Our ancients had displayed a great deal of rationality in assigning planetary

lordships as well as in the classification of navagrahas into benefics &

malefics.The reason of assigning the Sun as a malefic is a missing link , whose

real truth should be explored by us collectively. I presume, you too will

agree.

Regards

Pranav

Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Pranav,Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies

whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self evident.

Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead position in summer. Is

it pleasant to stand under him?Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote:Hare

KrsnaNamaskar to all members,We know,that the Sun is the source of all living

beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire

Hindu astrology is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical

treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his

monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures

mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and

prayer to Sun.My doubt is, inspite of all

these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology?Hope

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Many thanks, this is an excellent explanation.

 

Sateesh.

 

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Hare Rama Krsna

 

The Sun as a malefic (just to add a little):

 

Not only is the Sun hot in midday but Ayurveda shastra tells us that the midday

Sun poisons the blood. It does this by increasing Pitta which hurts liver

function and then causes toxicity of the blood resulting in bad skin reactions.

Vitiation of Pitta destroys the liver, the eyes, makes you go bald, makes the

skin loose pigment, etc.

 

The Sun rules government, how many people like the government? How many people

like paying taxes? How many people like getting fines and tickets?

 

Look what happens to planets too close to the Sun, they get burnt up. Power

doesn’t let competitors get too close to the throne. In the ancient days, when

their was a change of king in the Muslim world, anyone who might also have

connection to the throne would disappear, there are some stories of hundreds of

half brothers getting tired in bags and throne into the river. Power is a harsh

reality.

 

Other malefics are tamasic, which gives them harshness for negative reasons. The

Sun is Sattvic so it is harsh but for good purposes in general. The king

punishes people to uphold the working of the state. Look at Lord Rama, he even

sent away his wife to uphold the Dharma (reminiscent of the wife of the Sun

leaving him because of his excessive heat).

 

 

 

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... hamsasso.aham ..

 

Dear Pranav,

 

I thought I'd comment on a couple of minor points.

 

> The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and prayer to Sun.

 

Let us briefly examine this often repeated fact:

 

Mantras in the gayatri chandas consist of 3 feet of 8 syllables each.

The first foot of the Savitur mantra consists of only 7 syllables. As

per parampara, the chandas for the mantra as used in japa is actually

nicrud-gayatri (defective gayatri). Some people play some tricks by

including the omkara in the count or by adding a vowel in the middle,

or by counting the svarita as 2 vayu gulikas to extend the count.

But, none of these solve the problem, and make little sense to me.

 

Parts of the sandhya-vandanam (arghya pradaanam, surya upasthaanam)

are addressed to surya. However, this does not mean the same for the

mantra japa. Prior to the japa, we invoke the 3 feminine deities

(gayatri, savitri, saraswati) who are the consorts of the trimurtis.

The devata for the mantra is savitur (a female deity) and not surya.

If you want furthur proof, look at the chandas. It is basically a

gayatri chandas which is addressed to the 8 vasus (which represent

the female aspects of creation). We would expect a great world

famous mantra addressed to surya to be written in a chandas like

jagati, which has 12 syllables in each pada, addressed to the 12

adityas.

 

The famous Savitur mantra is neither _truly_ a gayatri mantra, nor is

it _truly_ addressed at Surya.

 

> Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo for

females is far

> from truth.

 

I am not satisfied one way or the other on this touchy subject. All I

can say is that I cannot accept your "proof". The vedas mention

various mantra drashtas (seers) to whom mantras are revealed. This

revelation can happen to anyone at anytime. There is no requirement

that every seer was initiated into the savitur gayatri. If this was

the case, there could have been no rishis before Vishwamitra, and we

know that this is certainly not the case.There is no requirement that

every seer was male. There is no requirement that every seer was a

brahmana. There is no necessary relationship between drashtas and the

savitur gayatri. Furthur, the savitur gayatri is not the same as

savitur vidya.

 

We are told that by doing our swadharma, we can become jivan-muktis.

Nowhere is it written that the gayatri vidya / gayatri mantra is the

swadharma for all mankind.

 

To be very clear, I am not personally for or against your

stance....just pointing out some other facts that you may wish to

consider.

 

ajit

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Dear Pranav,

Would you care to stick to the point and quote scriptures about recital

of Surya Gayatri that you commented about. I do not remember that the

original post was to do with Ashwini Gayatri.Since you equate Ashwini

Gayatri Mantra to Surya Gayatri, I can not

comment. Instead of offering unconnected arguments, perhaps you would

care to quote scriptures that you think are authentic.

For your kind information it was Devachandra Jha who collected the

manuscript of B.P.H.S. There is also one manuscript available with

Tirupati University. You have not indicated which of the various

editions you have mentioned as authentic and whether that too does not

give the shloka quoted.

However since you want to treat all Jyotish works as "Blind", may I

know which astrological text is the version authenticated by the

writer himself, according to you. I would appreciate if you avoid

verbose answers and stick to giving the Page and edition on which

author of ancient classic has authenticated the text, by putting his

seal and claiming the work as entirely his own.

In so far as Varaha Mihira is concerned since you considered his in

print text as the only authentic text, it might benefit you to find how

many versions of his work are claimed to exist and where.

Chandrashekhar.

pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna

Dear Chandrashekharji,

Namaskar

 

As a research student in Hindu jyotish, I too got the highest

regard for BPHS, for in terms of pith, other works are just secondary

to it (not forgetting,that the Palmyra leaves writings of anonymous

writers in Tamil & Malayalam, contains gems of astrological wisdom,

seldom seen in Sanskrit text).To know the genesis of BPHS available in

print to-day, you should, at the outset, know the painstaking work done

by late Pundit Seetharam jha.It was he, sensing the immense value of

this work, went from village to village,met traditional several

jyothishis, and collected the suppressed manuscripts from their

stranglehold .

After that, he re-arranged the the available verses

and corrected the grammatical mistakes.; and got it published in

Hindi.All the commentators in English, to start with, outstanding

scholar, late Sri R Santhanam, GcSharma, Suresh chandra mishra etc more

or less relied on this version of panditji.The other versions like the

one published by sri venkateshara press of Bombay, Pundit Devchand

Jha, Ganesh Datta Pathak,Prof N E Muthuswamy etc had similar orgins.To

wit, the BPHS available to-day is only a abridged version of the

original one.None ,repeat ,none of the commentators, will

vouchsafe the slokas given in their version are

authentic.Against such a backdrop, it is a mere parody to

quote some slokas of the defective versions to counter a genuine

question raised.In one version of Yavanajathaka too,there is

a sloka mentioning Sun as" krura"But such works are blind & often

poor imitation of some genuine one..

Regarding your query in mentioning the Surya Gayatri mantra to

the ear , let me tell you, the purpose is to maintain an veil of

secrecy & to avoid being overheard by unscrupulous elements leading

to the misuse of same..Some times some rahasyamantras too is given

along with Gayatri.In some traditional Bramin families practicing

Ayurveda in Kerala, during initiation, the disciple is given

"AshwiniGayatri "(addressed to Ashwini twins-the physicians of the

Gods).Great caution is maintained to ensure that the concerned mantra

doesn't reach others;

Regards

Pranav

 

Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote:

Dear

Pranav,

You are free to differ from what I have given as my opinion. However

before making blanket statements about no astrological text calling

Surya Krura, will you care to read BPHS CH.3 Shlokas 11 and 12, which

clearly state Surya and others as Krura. It is also likely that you

have some versions not known generally to Jyotish world about Surya.

May I know the edition you are referring? Perhaps you will care to give

reference and quote from Scriptures in support of your argument about

Ladies of all age being permitted to recite Surya Gayatri, in similar

manner. I would like to know why Surya Gayatri is to be told to son by

father in his ear so that no one hears it, at the time of his Upanayan

only. Or is this also not according to scriptures that you refer to?

Chandrashekhar.

pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna

Dear Chandrasekharji,

Namaskar,

Thankyou for your response.However, I beg to differ with

you.To call" Sun" as a "Krura", is a misnomer.None of the classical

text worth mentioning refers "Sun" as Kroora.Even Bhattotpala,the

illustrious commentator of Brihatjathaka considers Sun as a natural

malefic and not Krura.However, one of the synonyms of Mars is

"Krura".(cruel.)

Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo for

females is far from truth.Scriptures, abounds with instances of females

practising, gayatri mantra and even achieving "siddi"in the same.To

name a few

Gargi,Maitrayi,Madalasa,Arundhati,Kunthi,Sakhunthala,Devayani,Sita,Sukanya,Parvathy

etc are some among them.

Our ancients had displayed a great deal of rationality in

assigning planetary lordships as well as in the classification of

navagrahas into benefics & malefics.The reason of assigning the Sun

as a malefic is a missing link , whose real truth should be explored by

us collectively. I presume, you too will agree.

Regards

Pranav

Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote:

Dear

Pranav,

Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies

whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self

evident. Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead

position in summer. Is it pleasant to stand under him?

Chandrashekhar.

pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna

Namaskar to all members,

We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant

cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu

astrology

is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in

jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his

monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our

scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is

an adulation and prayer to Sun.

My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as

a

malefic in Hindu astrology?

Hope members will dispel my doubt.

Hare Krsna

Pranav

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Dear Chandrasekarji,

I regret to take note that you have gone off the track and is making baseless

allegation.I never equated Surya Gayatri with Ashwini Gayatri.In fact, I was

answering a query posted by you in the earlier mail, citing an

example..Similarly, your contention that it was Dev chand jha, who meticulously

collected the manuscripts & compiled the Bphs is also fallacious..Those who are

in the field of jyotish knows the truth.;and there is no need for a debate on

this score.I never mentioned in any of my letters that "Brihatjathaka" is the

be all and end all of jyotish.However, I am yet to come across a version of the

same where the original slokas widely differ.I just don't understand what you

want me to quote from the scriptures.My question is without any ambuiguity.ie

why Sun is considered as a natural malefic in jyotish? The question was

raised;since excogitation of the same seems elusive for me.

Regards

Pranav

a<chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Pranav,Would you care to stick to the point and quote scriptures about

recital of Surya Gayatri that you commented about. I do not remember that the

original post was to do with Ashwini Gayatri.Since you equate Ashwini Gayatri

Mantra to Surya Gayatri, I can not comment. Instead of offering unconnected

arguments, perhaps you would care to quote scriptures that you think are

authentic.For your kind information it was Devachandra Jha who collected the

manuscript of B.P.H.S. There is also one manuscript available with Tirupati

University. You have not indicated which of the various editions you have

mentioned as authentic and whether that too does not give the shloka

quoted.However since you want to treat all Jyotish works as "Blind", may I know

which astrological text is the version authenticated by the writer himself,

according to you. I would appreciate

if you avoid verbose answers and stick to giving the Page and edition on which

author of ancient classic has authenticated the text, by putting his seal and

claiming the work as entirely his own.In so far as Varaha Mihira is concerned

since you considered his in print text as the only authentic text, it might

benefit you to find how many versions of his work are claimed to exist and

where.Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna

Dear Chandrashekharji,

Namaskar

 

As a research student in Hindu jyotish, I too got the highest regard for BPHS,

for in terms of pith, other works are just secondary to it (not forgetting,that

the Palmyra leaves writings of anonymous writers in Tamil & Malayalam, contains

gems of astrological wisdom, seldom seen in Sanskrit text).To know the genesis

of BPHS available in print to-day, you should, at the outset, know the

painstaking work done by late Pundit Seetharam jha.It was he, sensing the

immense value of this work, went from village to village,met traditional

several jyothishis, and collected the suppressed manuscripts from their

stranglehold .

After that, he re-arranged the the available verses and corrected the

grammatical mistakes.; and got it published in Hindi.All the commentators in

English, to start with, outstanding scholar, late Sri R Santhanam, GcSharma,

Suresh chandra mishra etc more or less relied on this version of panditji.The

other versions like the one published by sri venkateshara press of Bombay,

Pundit Devchand Jha, Ganesh Datta Pathak,Prof N E Muthuswamy etc had similar

orgins.To wit, the BPHS available to-day is only a abridged version of the

original one.None ,repeat ,none of the commentators, will vouchsafe the slokas

given in their version are authentic.Against such a backdrop, it is a mere

parody to quote some slokas of the defective versions to counter a genuine

question raised.In one version of Yavanajathaka too,there is a sloka

mentioning Sun as" krura"But such works are blind & often poor

imitation of some genuine one..

Regarding your query in mentioning the Surya Gayatri mantra to the ear , let

me tell you, the purpose is to maintain an veil of secrecy & to avoid being

overheard by unscrupulous elements leading to the misuse of same..Some times

some rahasyamantras too is given along with Gayatri.In some traditional Bramin

families practicing Ayurveda in Kerala, during initiation, the disciple is

given "AshwiniGayatri "(addressed to Ashwini twins-the physicians of the

Gods).Great caution is maintained to ensure that the concerned mantra doesn't

reach others;

Regards

Pranav

 

Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Pranav,You are free to differ from what I have given as my opinion. However

before making blanket statements about no astrological text calling Surya Krura,

will you care to read BPHS CH.3 Shlokas 11 and 12, which clearly state Surya and

others as Krura. It is also likely that you have some versions not known

generally to Jyotish world about Surya. May I know the edition you are

referring? Perhaps you will care to give reference and quote from Scriptures in

support of your argument about Ladies of all age being permitted to recite Surya

Gayatri, in similar manner. I would like to know why Surya Gayatri is to be told

to son by father in his ear so that no one hears it, at the time of his Upanayan

only. Or is this also not according to scriptures that you refer

to?Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna

Dear Chandrasekharji,

Namaskar,

Thankyou for your response.However, I beg to differ with you.To call" Sun" as a

"Krura", is a misnomer.None of the classical text worth mentioning refers "Sun"

as Kroora.Even Bhattotpala,the illustrious commentator of Brihatjathaka

considers Sun as a natural malefic and not Krura.However, one of the synonyms

of Mars is "Krura".(cruel.)

Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo for females is far from

truth.Scriptures, abounds with instances of females practising, gayatri mantra

and even achieving "siddi"in the same.To name a few

Gargi,Maitrayi,Madalasa,Arundhati,Kunthi,Sakhunthala,Devayani,Sita,Sukanya,Parvathy

etc are some among them.

Our ancients had displayed a great deal of rationality in assigning planetary

lordships as well as in the classification of navagrahas into benefics &

malefics.The reason of assigning the Sun as a malefic is a missing link , whose

real truth should be explored by us collectively. I presume, you too will

agree.

Regards

Pranav

Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Pranav,Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies

whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self evident.

Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead position in summer. Is

it pleasant to stand under him?Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote:Hare

KrsnaNamaskar to all members,We know,that the Sun is the source of all living

beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire

Hindu astrology is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical

treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his

monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures

mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and

prayer to Sun.My doubt is, inspite of all

these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology?Hope

members will dispel my doubt.Hare KrsnaPranav-- No virus found in this outgoing

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Hare Krsna !

Dear Chandrasekarji,

I regret to take note that you have gone off the track and is making baseless

allegation.I never equated Surya Gayatri with Ashwini Gayatri.In fact, I was

answering a query posted by you in the earlier mail, citing an

example..Similarly, your contention that it was Dev chand jha, who meticulously

collected the manuscripts & compiled the Bphs is also fallacious..Those who are

in the field of jyotish knows the truth.;and there is no need for a debate on

this score.I never mentioned in any of my letters that "Brihatjathaka" is the

be all and end all of jyotish.However, I am yet to come across a version of the

same where the original slokas widely differ.I just don't understand what you

want me to quote from the scriptures.My question is without any ambuiguity.ie

why Sun is considered as a natural malefic in jyotish? The question was

raised;since excogitation of the same seems elusive for me.

Regards

PranavChandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Pranav,Would you

care to stick to the point and quote scriptures about recital of Surya Gayatri

that you commented about. I do not remember that the original post was to do

with Ashwini Gayatri.Since you equate Ashwini Gayatri Mantra to Surya Gayatri,

I can not comment. Instead of offering unconnected arguments, perhaps you would

care to quote scriptures that you think are authentic.For your kind information

it was Devachandra Jha who collected the manuscript of B.P.H.S. There is also

one manuscript available with Tirupati University. You have not indicated which

of the various editions you have mentioned as authentic and whether that too

does not give the shloka quoted.However since you want to treat all Jyotish

works as "Blind", may I know which astrological text is the version

authenticated by the writer himself, according to you. I would appreciate

if you avoid verbose answers and stick to giving the Page and edition on which

author of ancient classic has authenticated the text, by putting his seal and

claiming the work as entirely his own.In so far as Varaha Mihira is concerned

since you considered his in print text as the only authentic text, it might

benefit you to find how many versions of his work are claimed to exist and

where.Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna

Dear Chandrashekharji,

Namaskar

 

As a research student in Hindu jyotish, I too got the highest regard for BPHS,

for in terms of pith, other works are just secondary to it (not forgetting,that

the Palmyra leaves writings of anonymous writers in Tamil & Malayalam, contains

gems of astrological wisdom, seldom seen in Sanskrit text).To know the genesis

of BPHS available in print to-day, you should, at the outset, know the

painstaking work done by late Pundit Seetharam jha.It was he, sensing the

immense value of this work, went from village to village,met traditional

several jyothishis, and collected the suppressed manuscripts from their

stranglehold .

After that, he re-arranged the the available verses and corrected the

grammatical mistakes.; and got it published in Hindi.All the commentators in

English, to start with, outstanding scholar, late Sri R Santhanam, GcSharma,

Suresh chandra mishra etc more or less relied on this version of panditji.The

other versions like the one published by sri venkateshara press of Bombay,

Pundit Devchand Jha, Ganesh Datta Pathak,Prof N E Muthuswamy etc had similar

orgins.To wit, the BPHS available to-day is only a abridged version of the

original one.None ,repeat ,none of the commentators, will vouchsafe the slokas

given in their version are authentic.Against such a backdrop, it is a mere

parody to quote some slokas of the defective versions to counter a genuine

question raised.In one version of Yavanajathaka too,there is a sloka

mentioning Sun as" krura"But such works are blind & often poor

imitation of some genuine one..

Regarding your query in mentioning the Surya Gayatri mantra to the ear , let

me tell you, the purpose is to maintain an veil of secrecy & to avoid being

overheard by unscrupulous elements leading to the misuse of same..Some times

some rahasyamantras too is given along with Gayatri.In some traditional Bramin

families practicing Ayurveda in Kerala, during initiation, the disciple is

given "AshwiniGayatri "(addressed to Ashwini twins-the physicians of the

Gods).Great caution is maintained to ensure that the concerned mantra doesn't

reach others;

Regards

Pranav

 

Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Pranav,You are free to differ from what I have given as my opinion. However

before making blanket statements about no astrological text calling Surya Krura,

will you care to read BPHS CH.3 Shlokas 11 and 12, which clearly state Surya and

others as Krura. It is also likely that you have some versions not known

generally to Jyotish world about Surya. May I know the edition you are

referring? Perhaps you will care to give reference and quote from Scriptures in

support of your argument about Ladies of all age being permitted to recite Surya

Gayatri, in similar manner. I would like to know why Surya Gayatri is to be told

to son by father in his ear so that no one hears it, at the time of his Upanayan

only. Or is this also not according to scriptures that you refer

to?Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna

Dear Chandrasekharji,

Namaskar,

Thankyou for your response.However, I beg to differ with you.To call" Sun" as a

"Krura", is a misnomer.None of the classical text worth mentioning refers "Sun"

as Kroora.Even Bhattotpala,the illustrious commentator of Brihatjathaka

considers Sun as a natural malefic and not Krura.However, one of the synonyms

of Mars is "Krura".(cruel.)

Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo for females is far from

truth.Scriptures, abounds with instances of females practising, gayatri mantra

and even achieving "siddi"in the same.To name a few

Gargi,Maitrayi,Madalasa,Arundhati,Kunthi,Sakhunthala,Devayani,Sita,Sukanya,Parvathy

etc are some among them.

Our ancients had displayed a great deal of rationality in assigning planetary

lordships as well as in the classification of navagrahas into benefics &

malefics.The reason of assigning the Sun as a malefic is a missing link , whose

real truth should be explored by us collectively. I presume, you too will

agree.

Regards

Pranav

Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Pranav,Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies

whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self evident.

Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead position in summer. Is

it pleasant to stand under him?Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote:Hare

KrsnaNamaskar to all members,We know,that the Sun is the source of all living

beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire

Hindu astrology is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical

treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his

monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures

mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and

prayer to Sun.My doubt is, inspite of all

these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology?Hope

members will dispel my doubt.Hare KrsnaPranav-- No virus found in this outgoing

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Hare Krsna !

Dear Chandrasekarji,

I regret to take note that you have gone off the track and is making baseless

allegation.I never equated Surya Gayatri with Ashwini Gayatri.In fact, I was

answering a query posted by you in the earlier mail, citing an

example..Similarly, your contention that it was Dev chand jha, who meticulously

collected the manuscripts & compiled the Bphs is also fallacious..Those who are

in the field of jyotish knows the truth.;and there is no need for a debate on

this score.I never mentioned in any of my letters that "Brihatjathaka" is the

be all and end all of jyotish.However, I am yet to come across a version of the

same where the original slokas widely differ.I just don't understand what you

want me to quote from the scriptures.My question is without any ambuiguity.ie

why Sun is considered as a natural malefic in jyotish? The question was

raised;since excogitation of the same seems elusive for me.

Regards

PranavChandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Pranav,Would you care to stick to the point and quote scriptures about

recital of Surya Gayatri that you commented about. I do not remember that the

original post was to do with Ashwini Gayatri.Since you equate Ashwini Gayatri

Mantra to Surya Gayatri, I can not comment. Instead of offering unconnected

arguments, perhaps you would care to quote scriptures that you think are

authentic.For your kind information it was Devachandra Jha who collected the

manuscript of B.P.H.S. There is also one manuscript available with Tirupati

University. You have not indicated which of the various editions you have

mentioned as authentic and whether that too does not give the shloka

quoted.However since you want to treat all Jyotish works as "Blind", may I know

which astrological text is the version authenticated by the writer himself,

according to you. I would appreciate

if you avoid verbose answers and stick to giving the Page and edition on which

author of ancient classic has authenticated the text, by putting his seal and

claiming the work as entirely his own.In so far as Varaha Mihira is concerned

since you considered his in print text as the only authentic text, it might

benefit you to find how many versions of his work are claimed to exist and

where.Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna

Dear Chandrashekharji,

Namaskar

 

As a research student in Hindu jyotish, I too got the highest regard for BPHS,

for in terms of pith, other works are just secondary to it (not forgetting,that

the Palmyra leaves writings of anonymous writers in Tamil & Malayalam, contains

gems of astrological wisdom, seldom seen in Sanskrit text).To know the genesis

of BPHS available in print to-day, you should, at the outset, know the

painstaking work done by late Pundit Seetharam jha.It was he, sensing the

immense value of this work, went from village to village,met traditional

several jyothishis, and collected the suppressed manuscripts from their

stranglehold .

After that, he re-arranged the the available verses and corrected the

grammatical mistakes.; and got it published in Hindi.All the commentators in

English, to start with, outstanding scholar, late Sri R Santhanam, GcSharma,

Suresh chandra mishra etc more or less relied on this version of panditji.The

other versions like the one published by sri venkateshara press of Bombay,

Pundit Devchand Jha, Ganesh Datta Pathak,Prof N E Muthuswamy etc had similar

orgins.To wit, the BPHS available to-day is only a abridged version of the

original one.None ,repeat ,none of the commentators, will vouchsafe the slokas

given in their version are authentic.Against such a backdrop, it is a mere

parody to quote some slokas of the defective versions to counter a genuine

question raised.In one version of Yavanajathaka too,there is a sloka

mentioning Sun as" krura"But such works are blind & often poor

imitation of some genuine one..

Regarding your query in mentioning the Surya Gayatri mantra to the ear , let

me tell you, the purpose is to maintain an veil of secrecy & to avoid being

overheard by unscrupulous elements leading to the misuse of same..Some times

some rahasyamantras too is given along with Gayatri.In some traditional Bramin

families practicing Ayurveda in Kerala, during initiation, the disciple is

given "AshwiniGayatri "(addressed to Ashwini twins-the physicians of the

Gods).Great caution is maintained to ensure that the concerned mantra doesn't

reach others;

Regards

Pranav

 

Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Pranav,You are free to differ from what I have given as my opinion. However

before making blanket statements about no astrological text calling Surya Krura,

will you care to read BPHS CH.3 Shlokas 11 and 12, which clearly state Surya and

others as Krura. It is also likely that you have some versions not known

generally to Jyotish world about Surya. May I know the edition you are

referring? Perhaps you will care to give reference and quote from Scriptures in

support of your argument about Ladies of all age being permitted to recite Surya

Gayatri, in similar manner. I would like to know why Surya Gayatri is to be told

to son by father in his ear so that no one hears it, at the time of his Upanayan

only. Or is this also not according to scriptures that you refer

to?Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna

Dear Chandrasekharji,

Namaskar,

Thankyou for your response.However, I beg to differ with you.To call" Sun" as a

"Krura", is a misnomer.None of the classical text worth mentioning refers "Sun"

as Kroora.Even Bhattotpala,the illustrious commentator of Brihatjathaka

considers Sun as a natural malefic and not Krura.However, one of the synonyms

of Mars is "Krura".(cruel.)

Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo for females is far from

truth.Scriptures, abounds with instances of females practising, gayatri mantra

and even achieving "siddi"in the same.To name a few

Gargi,Maitrayi,Madalasa,Arundhati,Kunthi,Sakhunthala,Devayani,Sita,Sukanya,Parvathy

etc are some among them.

Our ancients had displayed a great deal of rationality in assigning planetary

lordships as well as in the classification of navagrahas into benefics &

malefics.The reason of assigning the Sun as a malefic is a missing link , whose

real truth should be explored by us collectively. I presume, you too will

agree.

Regards

Pranav

Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Pranav,Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies

whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self evident.

Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead position in summer. Is

it pleasant to stand under him?Chandrashekhar.pranav siva wrote:Hare

KrsnaNamaskar to all members,We know,that the Sun is the source of all living

beings.Even a plant cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire

Hindu astrology is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical

treatise in jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his

monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our scriptures

mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is an adulation and

prayer to Sun.My doubt is, inspite of all

these attributes, why Sun is considered as a malefic in Hindu astrology?Hope

members will dispel my doubt.Hare KrsnaPranav-- No virus found in this outgoing

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Dear Pranav,

I do not understand which Jyotish circles you are talking about.

Chaukhamba Edition of Devachandra Jha, clearly states that manuscripts

were collected by him under his signature. There are other reasons to

believe him but they have to do with the style of writing scriptures

and other matters, which you do not seem to find worthy of discussions.

You could take up the matter of fallacious claims or otherwise with

Mr. Devachandra Jha or Chaukhamba Publications Varanasi. I would love

to know his response.

I asked about scriptural reference as you made certain statements about

Surya Gayatri being permitted for Women by scriptures.I therefore

assumed, perhaps wrongly, you must have scriptural reference. It

appears that is not so.

You have talked about a question being raised about Sun being

considered Natural Malefic. The answer, was that it is considered

Krura, per B.P.H.S. You do not take it to be standard text. Then you

speak eloquently about many editions of B.P.H.S. but fail to give

shloka from the Graha Adhyaya terming Sun as Malefic and not Krura.

Does this, to you, sound like a genuine query?

I would explain the fine distinction between Krura and Papa, but as you

appear to be opposed to the idea of referring to scriptures, am

helpless.

Chandrashekhar.

pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna !

Dear Chandrasekarji,

I regret to take note that you have gone off the track and is

making baseless allegation.I never equated Surya Gayatri with Ashwini

Gayatri.In fact, I was answering a query posted by you in the earlier

mail, citing an example..Similarly, your contention

that it was Dev chand jha, who meticulously collected the manuscripts

& compiled the Bphs is also fallacious..Those who are in the field

of jyotish knows the truth.;and there is no need for a debate on this

score.I never mentioned in any of my letters that "Brihatjathaka" is

the be all and end all of jyotish.However, I am yet to come across a

version of the same where the original slokas widely differ.I just

don't understand what you want me to quote from the scriptures.My

question is without any ambuiguity.ie why Sun is considered as a

natural malefic in jyotish? The question was raised;since excogitation

of the same seems elusive for me.

Regards

Pranav

a<chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote:

Dear

Pranav,

Would you care to stick to the point and quote scriptures about recital

of Surya Gayatri that you commented about. I do not remember that the

original post was to do with Ashwini Gayatri.Since you equate Ashwini

Gayatri Mantra to Surya Gayatri, I can not comment. Instead of offering

unconnected arguments, perhaps you would care to quote scriptures that

you think are authentic.

For your kind information it was Devachandra Jha who collected the

manuscript of B.P.H.S. There is also one manuscript available with

Tirupati University. You have not indicated which of the various

editions you have mentioned as authentic and whether that too does not

give the shloka quoted.

However since you want to treat all Jyotish works as "Blind", may I

know which astrological text is the version authenticated by the

writer himself, according to you. I would appreciate if you avoid

verbose answers and stick to giving the Page and edition on which

author of ancient classic has authenticated the text, by putting his

seal and claiming the work as entirely his own.

In so far as Varaha Mihira is concerned since you considered his in

print text as the only authentic text, it might benefit you to find how

many versions of his work are claimed to exist and where.

Chandrashekhar.

pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna

Dear Chandrashekharji,

Namaskar

 

As a research student in Hindu jyotish, I too got the

highest regard for BPHS, for in terms of pith, other works are just

secondary to it (not forgetting,that the Palmyra leaves writings of

anonymous writers in Tamil & Malayalam, contains gems of

astrological wisdom, seldom seen in Sanskrit text).To know the genesis

of BPHS available in print to-day, you should, at the outset, know the

painstaking work done by late Pundit Seetharam jha.It was he, sensing

the immense value of this work, went from village to village,met

traditional several jyothishis, and collected the suppressed

manuscripts from their stranglehold .

After that, he re-arranged the the available verses

and corrected the grammatical mistakes.; and got it published in

Hindi.All the commentators in English, to start with, outstanding

scholar, late Sri R Santhanam, GcSharma, Suresh chandra mishra etc more

or less relied on this version of panditji.The other versions like the

one published by sri venkateshara press of Bombay, Pundit Devchand

Jha, Ganesh Datta Pathak,Prof N E Muthuswamy etc had similar orgins.To

wit, the BPHS available to-day is only a abridged version of the

original one.None ,repeat ,none of the commentators, will

vouchsafe the slokas given in their version are

authentic.Against such a backdrop, it is a mere parody to

quote some slokas of the defective versions to counter a genuine

question raised.In one version of Yavanajathaka too,there is

a sloka mentioning Sun as" krura"But such works are blind & often

poor imitation of some genuine one..

Regarding your query in mentioning the Surya Gayatri

mantra to the ear , let me tell you, the purpose is to maintain

an veil of secrecy & to avoid being overheard by unscrupulous

elements leading to the misuse of same..Some times some rahasyamantras

too is given along with Gayatri.In some traditional Bramin families

practicing Ayurveda in Kerala, during initiation, the disciple is given

"AshwiniGayatri "(addressed to Ashwini twins-the physicians of the

Gods).Great caution is maintained to ensure that the concerned mantra

doesn't reach others;

Regards

Pranav

 

Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote:

Dear

Pranav,

You are free to differ from what I have given as my opinion. However

before making blanket statements about no astrological text calling

Surya Krura, will you care to read BPHS CH.3 Shlokas 11 and 12, which

clearly state Surya and others as Krura. It is also likely that you

have some versions not known generally to Jyotish world about Surya.

May I know the edition you are referring? Perhaps you will care to give

reference and quote from Scriptures in support of your argument about

Ladies of all age being permitted to recite Surya Gayatri, in similar

manner. I would like to know why Surya Gayatri is to be told to son by

father in his ear so that no one hears it, at the time of his Upanayan

only. Or is this also not according to scriptures that you refer to?

Chandrashekhar.

pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna

Dear Chandrasekharji,

Namaskar,

Thankyou for your response.However, I beg to differ with

you.To call" Sun" as a "Krura", is a misnomer.None of the classical

text worth mentioning refers "Sun" as Kroora.Even Bhattotpala,the

illustrious commentator of Brihatjathaka considers Sun as a natural

malefic and not Krura.However, one of the synonyms of Mars is

"Krura".(cruel.)

Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo

for females is far from truth.Scriptures, abounds with instances of

females practising, gayatri mantra and even achieving "siddi"in the

same.To name a few

Gargi,Maitrayi,Madalasa,Arundhati,Kunthi,Sakhunthala,Devayani,Sita,Sukanya,Parvathy

etc are some among them.

Our ancients had displayed a great deal of rationality

in assigning planetary lordships as well as in the classification of

navagrahas into benefics & malefics.The reason of assigning the Sun

as a malefic is a missing link , whose real truth should be explored by

us collectively. I presume, you too will agree.

Regards

Pranav

Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote:

Dear

Pranav,

Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies

whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self

evident. Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead

position in summer. Is it pleasant to stand under him?

Chandrashekhar.

pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna

Namaskar to all members,

We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant

cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu

astrology

is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in

jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his

monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our

scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is

an adulation and prayer to Sun.

My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as

a

malefic in Hindu astrology?

Hope members will dispel my doubt.

Hare Krsna

Pranav

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Dear Pranav,

I do not understand which Jyotish circles you are talking about.

Chaukhamba Edition of Devachandra Jha, clearly states that manuscripts

were collected by him under his signature. There are other reasons to

believe him but they have to do with the style of writing scriptures

and other matters, which you do not seem to find worthy of discussions.

You could take up the matter of fallacious claims or otherwise with

Mr. Devachandra Jha or Chaukhamba Publications Varanasi. I would love

to know his response.

I asked about scriptural reference as you made certain statements about

Surya Gayatri being permitted for Women by scriptures.I therefore

assumed, perhaps wrongly, you must have scriptural reference. It

appears that is not so.

You have talked about a question being raised about Sun being

considered Natural Malefic. The answer, was that it is considered

Krura, per B.P.H.S. You do not take it to be standard text. Then you

speak eloquently about many editions of B.P.H.S. but fail to give

shloka from the Graha Adhyaya terming Sun as Malefic and not Krura.

Does this, to you, sound like a genuine query?

I would explain the fine distinction between Krura and Papa, but as you

appear to be opposed to the idea of referring to scriptures, am

helpless.

Chandrashekhar.

pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna !

Dear Chandrasekarji,

I regret to take note that you have gone off the track and is

making baseless allegation.I never equated Surya Gayatri with Ashwini

Gayatri.In fact, I was answering a query posted by you in the earlier

mail, citing an example..Similarly, your contention

that it was Dev chand jha, who meticulously collected the manuscripts

& compiled the Bphs is also fallacious..Those who are in the field

of jyotish knows the truth.;and there is no need for a debate on this

score.I never mentioned in any of my letters that "Brihatjathaka" is

the be all and end all of jyotish.However, I am yet to come across a

version of the same where the original slokas widely differ.I just

don't understand what you want me to quote from the scriptures.My

question is without any ambuiguity.ie why Sun is considered as a

natural malefic in jyotish? The question was raised;since excogitation

of the same seems elusive for me.

Regards

Pranav

a<chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote:

Dear

Pranav,

Would you care to stick to the point and quote scriptures about recital

of Surya Gayatri that you commented about. I do not remember that the

original post was to do with Ashwini Gayatri.Since you equate Ashwini

Gayatri Mantra to Surya Gayatri, I can not comment. Instead of offering

unconnected arguments, perhaps you would care to quote scriptures that

you think are authentic.

For your kind information it was Devachandra Jha who collected the

manuscript of B.P.H.S. There is also one manuscript available with

Tirupati University. You have not indicated which of the various

editions you have mentioned as authentic and whether that too does not

give the shloka quoted.

However since you want to treat all Jyotish works as "Blind", may I

know which astrological text is the version authenticated by the

writer himself, according to you. I would appreciate if you avoid

verbose answers and stick to giving the Page and edition on which

author of ancient classic has authenticated the text, by putting his

seal and claiming the work as entirely his own.

In so far as Varaha Mihira is concerned since you considered his in

print text as the only authentic text, it might benefit you to find how

many versions of his work are claimed to exist and where.

Chandrashekhar.

pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna

Dear Chandrashekharji,

Namaskar

 

As a research student in Hindu jyotish, I too got the

highest regard for BPHS, for in terms of pith, other works are just

secondary to it (not forgetting,that the Palmyra leaves writings of

anonymous writers in Tamil & Malayalam, contains gems of

astrological wisdom, seldom seen in Sanskrit text).To know the genesis

of BPHS available in print to-day, you should, at the outset, know the

painstaking work done by late Pundit Seetharam jha.It was he, sensing

the immense value of this work, went from village to village,met

traditional several jyothishis, and collected the suppressed

manuscripts from their stranglehold .

After that, he re-arranged the the available verses

and corrected the grammatical mistakes.; and got it published in

Hindi.All the commentators in English, to start with, outstanding

scholar, late Sri R Santhanam, GcSharma, Suresh chandra mishra etc more

or less relied on this version of panditji.The other versions like the

one published by sri venkateshara press of Bombay, Pundit Devchand

Jha, Ganesh Datta Pathak,Prof N E Muthuswamy etc had similar orgins.To

wit, the BPHS available to-day is only a abridged version of the

original one.None ,repeat ,none of the commentators, will

vouchsafe the slokas given in their version are

authentic.Against such a backdrop, it is a mere parody to

quote some slokas of the defective versions to counter a genuine

question raised.In one version of Yavanajathaka too,there is

a sloka mentioning Sun as" krura"But such works are blind & often

poor imitation of some genuine one..

Regarding your query in mentioning the Surya Gayatri

mantra to the ear , let me tell you, the purpose is to maintain

an veil of secrecy & to avoid being overheard by unscrupulous

elements leading to the misuse of same..Some times some rahasyamantras

too is given along with Gayatri.In some traditional Bramin families

practicing Ayurveda in Kerala, during initiation, the disciple is given

"AshwiniGayatri "(addressed to Ashwini twins-the physicians of the

Gods).Great caution is maintained to ensure that the concerned mantra

doesn't reach others;

Regards

Pranav

 

Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote:

Dear

Pranav,

You are free to differ from what I have given as my opinion. However

before making blanket statements about no astrological text calling

Surya Krura, will you care to read BPHS CH.3 Shlokas 11 and 12, which

clearly state Surya and others as Krura. It is also likely that you

have some versions not known generally to Jyotish world about Surya.

May I know the edition you are referring? Perhaps you will care to give

reference and quote from Scriptures in support of your argument about

Ladies of all age being permitted to recite Surya Gayatri, in similar

manner. I would like to know why Surya Gayatri is to be told to son by

father in his ear so that no one hears it, at the time of his Upanayan

only. Or is this also not according to scriptures that you refer to?

Chandrashekhar.

pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna

Dear Chandrasekharji,

Namaskar,

Thankyou for your response.However, I beg to differ with

you.To call" Sun" as a "Krura", is a misnomer.None of the classical

text worth mentioning refers "Sun" as Kroora.Even Bhattotpala,the

illustrious commentator of Brihatjathaka considers Sun as a natural

malefic and not Krura.However, one of the synonyms of Mars is

"Krura".(cruel.)

Your averment that chanting of Gayatri mantra is a taboo

for females is far from truth.Scriptures, abounds with instances of

females practising, gayatri mantra and even achieving "siddi"in the

same.To name a few

Gargi,Maitrayi,Madalasa,Arundhati,Kunthi,Sakhunthala,Devayani,Sita,Sukanya,Parvathy

etc are some among them.

Our ancients had displayed a great deal of rationality

in assigning planetary lordships as well as in the classification of

navagrahas into benefics & malefics.The reason of assigning the Sun

as a malefic is a missing link , whose real truth should be explored by

us collectively. I presume, you too will agree.

Regards

Pranav

Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote:

Dear

Pranav,

Sun is considered Krura (Cruel) and not Papa. Think about why ladies

whose M.C. is on, should not recite Gayatri. The reason would be self

evident. Think about what happens when Surya is in dead overhead

position in summer. Is it pleasant to stand under him?

Chandrashekhar.

pranav siva wrote:

Hare Krsna

Namaskar to all members,

We know,that the Sun is the source of all living beings.Even a plant

cannot grow, without sun's light.In a manner, the entire Hindu

astrology

is based on the motion of the sun.There are some classical treatise in

jyotish attributed to Sun God.The famous Varahamihaira begins his

monumental work Brihatjathaka, with invocation in praise of Sun.Our

scriptures mention Sun as "Suryanarayana' The famous Gayatri mantra is

an adulation and prayer to Sun.

My doubt is, inspite of all these attributes, why Sun is considered as

a

malefic in Hindu astrology?

Hope members will dispel my doubt.

Hare Krsna

Pranav

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Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

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(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that

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(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading

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~ om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that

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(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading

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