Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 My temple preist recollects the first time he went to see the Lord. He was dispatched there to serve in the temple. On his first sight he climed up the platform and proceeded to touch the deity. He managed to do so, only to be beat down into the ground by the head preist and his gang. Apparently it was a no no, by some clause in the temple charter. The story did have a good ending since the guy is happy to have acheived, which only a select few have a privilege to. In addition he became a sort of a hero amongst his temple associates, because he was blessed to have touched the Lord Jagannath. Xenophobic more or less describes the administration in the temple, though not the Orissa people which we know you did not mean. I think that there was no original rule about disbarring foreigners. Such rules may have been instituted by popular sentiment, due to its political history of being its own sovreign nation surrounded by Mughals and then the British. Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: ...Hari Om.. Dear List, Namaste I would like to apologize for my discriminating slur against the Orissi people, by calling them Xenophobic. Please excuse my words, I felt too comfortable and began to speak my thoughts too freely. Far from everybody is Xenophobic in Orissa, and my statement was a result of my inability to enter the Jagannath Temple in Orissa due to my birth heritage. Again I’m sorry if I have offended anyone. Best wishes, Visti Larsen http://srigaruda.com visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today soumit guhajava_sgt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Visti, Namaskar. It was in a reply to my query, you used the word. i wanted to say then that it was the only temple in India, that does not allow entry for foreigners. You can just take it as smybolic, not a routine discrimination against foreigners. In fact entry to Fire temples is not allowed to other faiths in India. India is fairly a tolerant country. i can understand your feelings, thinking of myself & the Fire temples. Could that result in your next birth as a temple priest at Puri (if there has to be a next birth). Hope so. With regards, viswanadham , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ..Hari Om.. > > Dear List, Namaste > > I would like to apologize for my discriminating slur against the Orissi > people, by calling them Xenophobic. Please excuse my words, I felt too > comfortable and began to speak my thoughts too freely. > > Far from everybody is Xenophobic in Orissa, and my statement was a result of > my inability to enter the Jagannath Temple in Orissa due to my birth > heritage. > > Again I'm sorry if I have offended anyone. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Dear Visti/Viswanadham, I think it is also applied to Sri Krishna temple in Guruvayur,Kerala. Also There are lot of other teamples , which are like family/clan temple, where you can pray only from outside, cannot enter the temple esp. in Kerala and some royal families like in Gwalior/Mysore. I believe most of these restications are due to 1000 years of colonalism. just 2 yrs back , it was found that Gaint "Ananda Padmanabhaswamy" statue at Trivanathapuram, kerala is full of gold, it was been covered with dry cocounut/mutard seeds giving it a black color- for nearly 500 yrs to protect the temple from invasion and looting like that happened in Somanath. Regards Sridhar --- vishwanatham <vishwanatham wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Visti, Namaskar. > > It was in a reply to my query, you used the word. i > wanted to say > then that it was the only temple in India, that does > not allow entry > for foreigners. > > You can just take it as smybolic, not a routine > discrimination > against foreigners. In fact entry to Fire temples is > not allowed to > other faiths in India. > > India is fairly a tolerant country. i can understand > your feelings, > thinking of myself & the Fire temples. > > Could that result in your next birth as a temple > priest at Puri (if > there has to be a next birth). Hope so. > > With regards, > viswanadham > > , "Visti Larsen" > <visti@s...> > wrote: > > ..Hari Om.. > > > > Dear List, Namaste > > > > I would like to apologize for my discriminating > slur against the > Orissi > > people, by calling them Xenophobic. Please excuse > my words, I felt > too > > comfortable and began to speak my thoughts too > freely. > > > > Far from everybody is Xenophobic in Orissa, and my > statement was a > result of > > my inability to enter the Jagannath Temple in > Orissa due to my birth > > heritage. > > > > Again I'm sorry if I have offended anyone. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Hello Visti: I'm surpised that you weren't allowed in the Jaggnath temple. I recently was at the Tyrambakeshwar Shiva temple, which hosts/holds the 10th Jyotirling and one of the most important for Hindus. There I saw a board saying "Only Hindus allowed on enter the temple." However, I saw plenty of foreigners, i.e. light skinned people, entering the temple. Obviously, they were all Hindus. Now, I'm assuming that you are a Hindu--I've seen your picture where you were wearing an "abotiu/dhoti," i.e. loin cloth worn by Hindus/Brahmins. If you're a Hindu, you SHOULD be allowed to enter the temple. Visti, most temples in India are open to ALL people. In fact, I saw plenty of Sikhs at the Tyrambakeshwar temple, no one was stopping them. And, I've seen people of every color/religion at the Siddhivinayak temple in Bombay--which in my opinion is holiest of the holy abode of the favorite and the most revered God of Hindus, the Ganesh. I'm sorry for your negative experience at the Jagganath temple. If I had been around, I'd have pulled some strings or made some noise, either which one of the remedies, works in India. Mukund , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ..Hari Om.. > > Dear List, Namaste > > I would like to apologize for my discriminating slur against the Orissi > people, by calling them Xenophobic. Please excuse my words, I felt too > comfortable and began to speak my thoughts too freely. > > Far from everybody is Xenophobic in Orissa, and my statement was a result of > my inability to enter the Jagannath Temple in Orissa due to my birth > heritage. > > Again I'm sorry if I have offended anyone. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Mukund 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">In most places in India, the sign says Hindus only, but it is an open definition of Hindu. Both Tryambakeshwar and Visnwanath I was stopped from entering, but a few minutes talking to the temple officials was enough to show them my sincerity in the hindu dharma and I was let in. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">But the definition of the Jagannath temple is that a Hindu must be an Indian native or born of Indian parents. Even people who are third generation American Hindus are denied access to the Jagannath temple, there is no debating, it is very strict there. Many Hindu temples in Nepal are the same way. In Katmandu I was denied access to Pasupati on an early Monday morning in dhoti, with all the proper offerings for a full puja. There was no negotiation, after giving my arguments I was told, “you have white skin and grey eyes, you will never enter this temple.” It was the priests at the Pasupatinath Temple that had kept the complete Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra till it made its way to Varanasi, that is the blessing Shiva has given to Jyotishis at that place. But there is still discrimination in this world and not all strings can be pulled every where. These rules are employed by people who will have ninth house bhadaka in their next life, this is just the way of karma. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Namah Sivaya 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">monmuk111 [monmuk111 ] Monday, December 20, 2004 11:39 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Formal Apology 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Hello Visti: I'm surpised that you weren't allowed in the Jaggnath temple. I recently was at the Tyrambakeshwar Shiva temple, which hosts/holds the 10th Jyotirling and one of the most important for Hindus. There I saw a board saying "Only Hindus allowed on enter the temple." However, I saw plenty of foreigners, i.e. light skinned people, entering the temple. Obviously, they were all Hindus. Now, I'm assuming that you are a Hindu--I've seen your picture where you were wearing an "abotiu/dhoti," i.e. loin cloth worn by Hindus/Brahmins. If you're a Hindu, you SHOULD be allowed to enter the temple. Visti, most temples in India are open to ALL people. In fact, I saw plenty of Sikhs at the Tyrambakeshwar temple, no one was stopping them. And, I've seen people of every color/religion at the Siddhivinayak temple in Bombay--which in my opinion is holiest of the holy abode of the favorite and the most revered God of Hindus, the Ganesh. I'm sorry for your negative experience at the Jagganath temple. If I had been around, I'd have pulled some strings or made some noise, either which one of the remedies, works in India. Mukund , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ..Hari Om.. > > Dear List, Namaste > > I would like to apologize for my discriminating slur against the Orissi > people, by calling them Xenophobic. Please excuse my words, I felt too > comfortable and began to speak my thoughts too freely. > > Far from everybody is Xenophobic in Orissa, and my statement was a result of > my inability to enter the Jagannath Temple in Orissa due to my birth > heritage. > > Again I'm sorry if I have offended anyone. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 Dear Freedom, Perhaps those denied entrance have some planetary combinations that do not permit them to take darshan of those specific deities. It is not likely that for generations, every priest will have Badhaka 9th house in next life. No person of other religion is allowed inside Mecca, does that mean all Muslims have 9th house Badhaka? I doubt. Chandrashekhar. freedom wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} ..shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} BestFit Clean Clean DocumentEmail false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} Mukund In most places in India, the sign says Hindus only, but it is an open definition of Hindu. Both Tryambakeshwar and Visnwanath I was stopped from entering, but a few minutes talking to the temple officials was enough to show them my sincerity in the hindu dharma and I was let in. But the definition of the Jagannath temple is that a Hindu must be an Indian native or born of Indian parents. Even people who are third generation American Hindus are denied access to the Jagannath temple, there is no debating, it is very strict there. Many Hindu temples in Nepal are the same way. In Katmandu I was denied access to Pasupati on an early Monday morning in dhoti, with all the proper offerings for a full puja. There was no negotiation, after giving my arguments I was told, “you have white skin and grey eyes, you will never enter this temple.” It was the priests at the Pasupatinath Temple that had kept the complete Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra till it made its way to Varanasi, that is the blessing Shiva has given to Jyotishis at that place. But there is still discrimination in this world and not all strings can be pulled every where. These rules are employed by people who will have ninth house bhadaka in their next life, this is just the way of karma. Namah Sivaya monmuk111 [monmuk111 ] Monday, December 20, 2004 11:39 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Formal Apology Hello Visti: I'm surpised that you weren't allowed in the Jaggnath temple. I recently was at the Tyrambakeshwar Shiva temple, which hosts/holds the 10th Jyotirling and one of the most important for Hindus. There I saw a board saying "Only Hindus allowed on enter the temple." However, I saw plenty of foreigners, i.e. light skinned people, entering the temple. Obviously, they were all Hindus. Now, I'm assuming that you are a Hindu--I've seen your picture where you were wearing an "abotiu/dhoti," i.e. loin cloth worn by Hindus/Brahmins. If you're a Hindu, you SHOULD be allowed to enter the temple. Visti, most temples in India are open to ALL people. In fact, I saw plenty of Sikhs at the Tyrambakeshwar temple, no one was stopping them. And, I've seen people of every color/religion at the Siddhivinayak temple in Bombay--which in my opinion is holiest of the holy abode of the favorite and the most revered God of Hindus, the Ganesh. I'm sorry for your negative experience at the Jagganath temple. If I had been around, I'd have pulled some strings or made some noise, either which one of the remedies, works in India. Mukund , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ..Hari Om.. > > Dear List, Namaste > > I would like to apologize for my discriminating slur against the Orissi > people, by calling them Xenophobic. Please excuse my words, I felt too > comfortable and began to speak my thoughts too freely. > > Far from everybody is Xenophobic in Orissa, and my statement was a result of > my inability to enter the Jagannath Temple in Orissa due to my birth > heritage. > > Again I'm sorry if I have offended anyone. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release 12/20/2004 Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release 12/20/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Those who would stop a non muslim from entering mecca are just doing their dharma. But if I converted to a muslim and my children were born and raised muslim and they were not allowed to enter Mecca that would create bhadak. But it doesn’t matter your color of skin or eyes, if you are a muslim and have fully converted the muslims let you in. Malcolm X, a famous American black man who fought for equal rights, was known to be an anti-white black supremacist until his hajj when he prayed along side of muslims who were white with blue eyes. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">If a westerner has become a hindu and practices hindu puja/spirituality, then blocking them from entering a temple of a god they worship is bhadak. Blocking a tourist who just wants ‘to see’ is not bhadak, it is keeping things in the right place and keeping a holy place a holy place. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Bhadak sign can either be the 11th, the 9th or the 7th. It is very common to have ninth house bhadak, and this is related to a past life of giving others religious bhadak (in some way). Give others obstacles to their religion and be born with obstacles in your religion and faith, its just the wheel of karma. How bad that bhadak is will depend on intentions and actions done to give bhadak in the previous life. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Those given bhadak to enter a temple have to have combinations for the action, activated by dasa and transit of when they will try to enter that temple. But isn’t this how it all works. One person has the karma to be blocked and another has the karma to block. A person that has karma to be murdered needs to meet someone who has karma as a murderer to be killed by them. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">What makes me want to enter Pasupatinath temple, why could I not just be happy with Viswanath darshan? We are attracted to what we need to experience. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Namah Sivaya 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> color:windowtext"> Chandrashekhar [chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Sunday, December 26, 2004 12:07 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Formal Apology windowtext"> Dear Freedom, Perhaps those denied entrance have some planetary combinations that do not permit them to take darshan of those specific deities. It is not likely that for generations, every priest will have Badhaka 9th house in next life. No person of other religion is allowed inside Mecca, does that mean all Muslims have 9th house Badhaka? I doubt. Chandrashekhar. freedom wrote: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> BestFit Clean Clean DocumentEmail false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 Mukund 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">In most places in India, the sign says Hindus only, but it is an open definition of Hindu. Both Tryambakeshwar and Visnwanath I was stopped from entering, but a few minutes talking to the temple officials was enough to show them my sincerity in the hindu dharma and I was let in. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">But the definition of the Jagannath temple is that a Hindu must be an Indian native or born of Indian parents. Even people who are third generation American Hindus are denied access to the Jagannath temple, there is no debating, it is very strict there. Many Hindu temples in Nepal are the same way. In Katmandu I was denied access to Pasupati on an early Monday morning in dhoti, with all the proper offerings for a full puja. There was no negotiation, after giving my arguments I was told, “you have white skin and grey eyes, you will never enter this temple.” It was the priests at the Pasupatinath Temple that had kept the complete Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra till it made its way to Varanasi, that is the blessing Shiva has given to Jyotishis at that place. But there is still discrimination in this world and not all strings can be pulled every where. These rules are employed by people who will have ninth house bhadaka in their next life, this is just the way of karma. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Namah Sivaya 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> monmuk111 [monmuk111 ] Monday, December 20, 2004 11:39 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Formal Apology Hello Visti: I'm surpised that you weren't allowed in the Jaggnath temple. I recently was at the Tyrambakeshwar Shiva temple, which hosts/holds the 10th Jyotirling and one of the most important for Hindus. There I saw a board saying "Only Hindus allowed on enter the temple." However, I saw plenty of foreigners, i.e. light skinned people, entering the temple. Obviously, they were all Hindus. Now, I'm assuming that you are a Hindu--I've seen your picture where you were wearing an "abotiu/dhoti," i.e. loin cloth worn by Hindus/Brahmins. If you're a Hindu, you SHOULD be allowed to enter the temple. Visti, most temples in India are open to ALL people. In fact, I saw plenty of Sikhs at the Tyrambakeshwar temple, no one was stopping them. And, I've seen people of every color/religion at the Siddhivinayak temple in Bombay--which in my opinion is holiest of the holy abode of the favorite and the most revered God of Hindus, the Ganesh. I'm sorry for your negative experience at the Jagganath temple. If I had been around, I'd have pulled some strings or made some noise, either which one of the remedies, works in India. Mukund , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ..Hari Om.. > > Dear List, Namaste > > I would like to apologize for my discriminating slur against the Orissi > people, by calling them Xenophobic. Please excuse my words, I felt too > comfortable and began to speak my thoughts too freely. > > Far from everybody is Xenophobic in Orissa, and my statement was a result of > my inability to enter the Jagannath Temple in Orissa due to my birth > heritage. > > Again I'm sorry if I have offended anyone. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release 12/20/2004 ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. 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Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 Dear Freedom, Let us not go into what constitutes right for Muslims or Hindus, since we will be entering a controversial area. It is strange to find Muslims being assigned Dharma for blocking others access to lord in one breath and assigning others to perfidy in the same breath for what is their Dharma. Let us stick to Jyotish. The lord has already answered, if you care to read today's papers or watch news on T.V. channel. If you have read today's news that one western lady, one Ms. Hildegarde (if I am not wrong), who was suffering from terminal breast cancer, was cremated (per her desire) by the same Orissa Brahmins at Svarga Dwar at their own cost refusing monetary offer from her relatives, perhaps you will understand what I am saying about the Person not getting permission to view the Lord being related to their Purva Karma. You must be knowing that same conditions apply for cremation at Swargadwar as for being allowed inside Jagannath Temple. Assigning badhakas to others on unilateral basis, might not fit in with what has occurred recently. Regards, Chandrashekhar. freedom wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} ..shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} BestFit Clean Clean DocumentEmail false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} Those who would stop a non muslim from entering mecca are just doing their dharma. But if I converted to a muslim and my children were born and raised muslim and they were not allowed to enter Mecca that would create bhadak. But it doesn’t matter your color of skin or eyes, if you are a muslim and have fully converted the muslims let you in. Malcolm X, a famous American black man who fought for equal rights, was known to be an anti-white black supremacist until his hajj when he prayed along side of muslims who were white with blue eyes. If a westerner has become a hindu and practices hindu puja/spirituality, then blocking them from entering a temple of a god they worship is bhadak. Blocking a tourist who just wants ‘to see’ is not bhadak, it is keeping things in the right place and keeping a holy place a holy place. Bhadak sign can either be the 11th, the 9th or the 7th. It is very common to have ninth house bhadak, and this is related to a past life of giving others religious bhadak (in some way). Give others obstacles to their religion and be born with obstacles in your religion and faith, its just the wheel of karma. How bad that bhadak is will depend on intentions and actions done to give bhadak in the previous life. Those given bhadak to enter a temple have to have combinations for the action, activated by dasa and transit of when they will try to enter that temple. But isn’t this how it all works. One person has the karma to be blocked and another has the karma to block. A person that has karma to be murdered needs to meet someone who has karma as a murderer to be killed by them. What makes me want to enter Pasupatinath temple, why could I not just be happy with Viswanath darshan? We are attracted to what we need to experience. Namah Sivaya Chandrashekhar [chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Sunday, December 26, 2004 12:07 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Formal Apology Dear Freedom, Perhaps those denied entrance have some planetary combinations that do not permit them to take darshan of those specific deities. It is not likely that for generations, every priest will have Badhaka 9th house in next life. No person of other religion is allowed inside Mecca, does that mean all Muslims have 9th house Badhaka? I doubt. Chandrashekhar. freedom wrote: BestFit Clean Clean DocumentEmail false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 >Mukund style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">In most places in w:st="on">India, the sign says Hindus only, but it is an open definition of Hindu. Both Tryambakeshwar and Visnwanath I was stopped from entering, but a few minutes talking to the temple officials was enough to show them my sincerity in the hindu dharma and I was let in. style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">But the definition of the Jagannath temple is that a Hindu must be an Indian native or born of Indian parents. Even people who are third generation American Hindus are denied access to the Jagannath temple, there is no debating, it is very strict there. Many Hindu temples in w:st="on">Nepal are the same way. In w:st="on">Katmandu I was denied access to Pasupati on an early Monday morning in dhoti, with all the proper offerings for a full puja. There was no negotiation, after giving my arguments I was told, “you have white skin and grey eyes, you will never enter this temple.” It was the priests at the u4:st="on">Pasupatinath Temple that had kept the complete Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra till it made its way to u4:st="on"> w:st="on">Varanasi, that is the blessing Shiva has given to Jyotishis at that place. But there is still discrimination in this world and not all strings can be pulled every where. These rules are employed by people who will have ninth house bhadaka in their next life, this is just the way of karma. style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Namah Sivaya style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"> style="font-size: 12pt;"> style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;"> face="Tahoma" size="2"> style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> monmuk111 [monmuk111 ] Monday, December 20, 2004 11:39 PM u4:st="on"> [Om u4:st="on">Krishna Guru] Re: Formal Apology size="3"> style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";"> Hello Visti: I'm surpised that you weren't allowed in the Jaggnath temple. I recently was at the Tyrambakeshwar Shiva temple, which hosts/holds the 10th Jyotirling and one of the most important for Hindus. There I saw a board saying "Only Hindus allowed on enter the temple." However, I saw plenty of foreigners, i.e. light skinned people, entering the temple. Obviously, they were all Hindus. Now, I'm assuming that you are a Hindu--I've seen your picture where you were wearing an "abotiu/dhoti," i.e. loin cloth worn by Hindus/Brahmins. If you're a Hindu, you SHOULD be allowed to enter the temple. Visti, most temples in u4:st="on"> w:st="on">India are open to ALL people. In fact, I saw plenty of Sikhs at the Tyrambakeshwar temple, no one was stopping them. And, I've seen people of every color/religion at the Siddhivinayak temple in u4:st="on">Bombay--which in my opinion is holiest of the holy abode of the favorite and the most revered God of Hindus, the Ganesh. I'm sorry for your negative experience at the Jagganath temple. If I had been around, I'd have pulled some strings or made some noise, either which one of the remedies, works in w:st="on">India. Mukund href="">, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ..Hari Om.. > > Dear List, Namaste > > I would like to apologize for my discriminating slur against the Orissi > people, by calling them Xenophobic. Please excuse my words, I felt too > comfortable and began to speak my thoughts too freely. > > Far from everybody is Xenophobic in Orissa, and my statement was a result of > my inability to enter the u4:st="on"> w:st="on">Jagannath w:st="on">Temple in Orissa due to my birth > heritage. > > Again I'm sorry if I have offended anyone. > > Best wishes, > > > > > w:st="on">Visti Larsen > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... ~ om tat sat ~ style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Courier New";"> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. 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Guest guest Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 Dear Chandrshekharji, You have a point there. Orissa as you know is very strict about letting foreigners enter any of its holy shrines, let alone the Jagannath Temple. But there are some instances: 1. Swee Chan managed to enter the Jagannath Temple one day, though she did not enter the garbha griha, but she had darshan from the outer natmandir. Probably they thought she was a Manipuri. But the 2nd time she tried she was not permitted. 2. I took Eric Rosenbush into the Dakshina Kali Temple in Puri, considered 2nd only to the Jagannath Temple. I made sure his head was covered with the chaddar and his skin was tanned, but he has light grey eyes which are a give a way. Of course we were 'caught' as we were leaving and I was chastised by a screaming priest, who told me that Bengalis were responsible for the fall of religion in Puri! 3. Sanjayji took Zoran, Barbara Corkrean, Eric Rosenbush (I think), Visti Larsen (I think), Andrea Veccione(I think) to the Ram Chandi Temple near Konarak., another ancient temple where Sri Rama had prayed. 4. Sanjayji took Zoran to an ancient Shiva Temple in Bhubaneswar, where Zoran actually performed a full puja on the Shiva linga. As you said, what combinations are in the charts of these people that they had darshan of deities in these highly sacred temples of Orissa where foreigners are forbidden? (Eric: Sun in Dhanu in the 9th aspected by an exalted Jupiter. Hamsa and Malavaya Mahapurusha Yoga. Zoran: Malavya Mahapurusha Yoga. Both have Jupiter and Venus in kendra, both have Malavya Mahapurusha Yoga, both have the 9th graha drsti of Rahu on the 9th house. Barbara has all 9 planets having rashi drsti on the 9th house. Both Freedom and Visti have Rahu associated with the 9th house but neither Jupiter nor Venus are in kendra for Visti, Freedom and Barbara. Andrea also has Sun in Dhanu in the 9th conjoined BK Mercury. Her Jupiter is also in a kendra, but Rahu's aspect is not there, which seems to be a crucial factor.) Best regards, Sarbani Chandrashekhar [chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Saturday, December 25, 2004 10:37 PMSubject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Formal Apology Dear Freedom,Perhaps those denied entrance have some planetary combinations that do not permit them to take darshan of those specific deities. It is not likely that for generations, every priest will have Badhaka 9th house in next life. No person of other religion is allowed inside Mecca, does that mean all Muslims have 9th house Badhaka? I doubt.Chandrashekhar.freedom wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} ..shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} BestFit Clean Clean DocumentEmail false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} Mukund In most places in India, the sign says Hindus only, but it is an open definition of Hindu. Both Tryambakeshwar and Visnwanath I was stopped from entering, but a few minutes talking to the temple officials was enough to show them my sincerity in the hindu dharma and I was let in. But the definition of the Jagannath temple is that a Hindu must be an Indian native or born of Indian parents. Even people who are third generation American Hindus are denied access to the Jagannath temple, there is no debating, it is very strict there. Many Hindu temples in Nepal are the same way. In Katmandu I was denied access to Pasupati on an early Monday morning in dhoti, with all the proper offerings for a full puja. There was no negotiation, after giving my arguments I was told, “you have white skin and grey eyes, you will never enter this temple.” It was the priests at the Pasupatinath Temple that had kept the complete Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra till it made its way to Varanasi, that is the blessing Shiva has given to Jyotishis at that place. But there is still discrimination in this world and not all strings can be pulled every where. These rules are employed by people who will have ninth house bhadaka in their next life, this is just the way of karma. Namah Sivaya monmuk111 [monmuk111 ] Monday, December 20, 2004 11:39 PMSubject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Formal Apology Hello Visti:I'm surpised that you weren't allowed in the Jaggnath temple. I recently was at the Tyrambakeshwar Shiva temple, which hosts/holds the 10th Jyotirling and one of the most important for Hindus.There I saw a board saying "Only Hindus allowed on enter the temple." However, I saw plenty of foreigners, i.e. light skinned people, entering the temple. Obviously, they were all Hindus.Now, I'm assuming that you are a Hindu--I've seen your picture where you were wearing an "abotiu/dhoti," i.e. loin cloth worn by Hindus/Brahmins. If you're a Hindu, you SHOULD be allowed to enter the temple. Visti, most temples in India are open to ALL people. In fact, I saw plenty of Sikhs at the Tyrambakeshwar temple, no one was stopping them. And, I've seen people of every color/religion at the Siddhivinayak temple in Bombay--which in my opinion is holiest of the holy abode of the favorite and the most revered God of Hindus, the Ganesh.I'm sorry for your negative experience at the Jagganath temple. If I had been around, I'd have pulled some strings or made some noise, either which one of the remedies, works in India.Mukund, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote:> ..Hari Om..> > Dear List, Namaste> > I would like to apologize for my discriminating slur against the Orissi> people, by calling them Xenophobic. Please excuse my words, I felt too> comfortable and began to speak my thoughts too freely. > > Far from everybody is Xenophobic in Orissa, and my statement was a result of> my inability to enter the Jagannath Temple in Orissa due to my birth> heritage.> > Again I'm sorry if I have offended anyone.> > Best wishes,> > > > > Visti Larsen> > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com> > <visti@s...> visti@s...~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><!--[endif]-->~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. 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Guest guest Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 Hello Freedom: My 9th house (from Scorpio Lagna) is Badhak, where exhalted Jupiter and Venus are located. Does this mean that I was a "bad" priest in my prior life? Or, does this mean that I'm a "bad" religious person in my current life? As to my "current" life, I attempt to live as righteous a life as Lord Krishna wanted us to. In fact, I spend and continue spending my money and time for building temples and reinforcing the Hindu faith amongst backward/tribal people of Gujarat (India). I'm also active and eliminating Islam and Christianity from Gujarat. Furthermore, I recall that I fasted for seven straight days when my car accidently ran over a pigeon and fed pigeons at the San Francisco water-front for months and months to wash-off my sin of killing a pigeon. Would a person like me "fall from dharma/the path of righteousness" because my 9th house is the Badhak house? I'm worried now. Birth info.: June 14, 1967; 5.29 pm; Bombay, India. Mukund , "freedom" <freedom@s...> wrote: > Mukund > In most places in India, the sign says Hindus only, but it is an open > definition of Hindu. Both Tryambakeshwar and Visnwanath I was stopped from > entering, but a few minutes talking to the temple officials was enough to > show them my sincerity in the hindu dharma and I was let in. > > But the definition of the Jagannath temple is that a Hindu must be an Indian > native or born of Indian parents. Even people who are third generation > American Hindus are denied access to the Jagannath temple, there is no > debating, it is very strict there. Many Hindu temples in Nepal are the same > way. In Katmandu I was denied access to Pasupati on an early Monday morning > in dhoti, with all the proper offerings for a full puja. There was no > negotiation, after giving my arguments I was told, "you have white skin and > grey eyes, you will never enter this temple." It was the priests at the > Pasupatinath Temple that had kept the complete Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra > till it made its way to Varanasi, that is the blessing Shiva has given to > Jyotishis at that place. But there is still discrimination in this world and > not all strings can be pulled every where. These rules are employed by > people who will have ninth house bhadaka in their next life, this is just > the way of karma. > > Namah Sivaya > > > > > _____ > > monmuk111 [monmuk111] > Monday, December 20, 2004 11:39 PM > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Formal Apology > > > Hello Visti: > > I'm surpised that you weren't allowed in the Jaggnath temple. I > recently was at the Tyrambakeshwar Shiva temple, which hosts/holds > the 10th Jyotirling and one of the most important for Hindus. > > There I saw a board saying "Only Hindus allowed on enter the temple." > However, I saw plenty of foreigners, i.e. light skinned people, > entering the temple. Obviously, they were all Hindus. > > Now, I'm assuming that you are a Hindu--I've seen your picture where > you were wearing an "abotiu/dhoti," i.e. loin cloth worn by > Hindus/Brahmins. If you're a Hindu, you SHOULD be allowed to enter > the temple. > > Visti, most temples in India are open to ALL people. In fact, I saw > plenty of Sikhs at the Tyrambakeshwar temple, no one was stopping > them. > > And, I've seen people of every color/religion at the Siddhivinayak > temple in Bombay--which in my opinion is holiest of the holy abode of > the favorite and the most revered God of Hindus, the Ganesh. > > I'm sorry for your negative experience at the Jagganath temple. If I > had been around, I'd have pulled some strings or made some noise, > either which one of the remedies, works in India. > > Mukund > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> > wrote: > > ..Hari Om.. > > > > Dear List, Namaste > > > > I would like to apologize for my discriminating slur against the > Orissi > > people, by calling them Xenophobic. 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Guest guest Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 Dear Sarbani, I am glad, somebody could see pure astrological reason. Unfortunately people tend to carry their own experience and its interpretation from their own point of view to astrology. 9th house will have to be powerful and with benefic aspects for Darshan to occur. You will also find a predominance of 1,5,9 Rasis connected with the Dharma Sthana. Anyway, I was just trying to find out as to why, astrologers who are certain that meeting with Guru could be found out from charts want to ascribe bias to poor Pandas to the extend of condemning their 9th house, when it comes meeting with the Lord himself. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Sarbani Sarkar wrote: Dear Chandrshekharji, You have a point there. Orissa as you know is very strict about letting foreigners enter any of its holy shrines, let alone the Jagannath Temple. But there are some instances: 1. Swee Chan managed to enter the Jagannath Temple one day, though she did not enter the garbha griha, but she had darshan from the outer natmandir. Probably they thought she was a Manipuri. But the 2nd time she tried she was not permitted. 2. I took Eric Rosenbush into the Dakshina Kali Temple in Puri, considered 2nd only to the Jagannath Temple. I made sure his head was covered with the chaddar and his skin was tanned, but he has light grey eyes which are a give a way. Of course we were 'caught' as we were leaving and I was chastised by a screaming priest, who told me that Bengalis were responsible for the fall of religion in Puri! 3. Sanjayji took Zoran, Barbara Corkrean, Eric Rosenbush (I think), Visti Larsen (I think), Andrea Veccione(I think) to the Ram Chandi Temple near Konarak., another ancient temple where Sri Rama had prayed. 4. Sanjayji took Zoran to an ancient Shiva Temple in Bhubaneswar, where Zoran actually performed a full puja on the Shiva linga. As you said, what combinations are in the charts of these people that they had darshan of deities in these highly sacred temples of Orissa where foreigners are forbidden? (Eric: Sun in Dhanu in the 9th aspected by an exalted Jupiter. Hamsa and Malavaya Mahapurusha Yoga. Zoran: Malavya Mahapurusha Yoga. Both have Jupiter and Venus in kendra, both have Malavya Mahapurusha Yoga, both have the 9th graha drsti of Rahu on the 9th house. Barbara has all 9 planets having rashi drsti on the 9th house. Both Freedom and Visti have Rahu associated with the 9th house but neither Jupiter nor Venus are in kendra for Visti, Freedom and Barbara. Andrea also has Sun in Dhanu in the 9th conjoined BK Mercury. Her Jupiter is also in a kendra, but Rahu's aspect is not there, which seems to be a crucial factor.) Best regards, Sarbani Chandrashekhar [chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Saturday, December 25, 2004 10:37 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Formal Apology Dear Freedom, Perhaps those denied entrance have some planetary combinations that do not permit them to take darshan of those specific deities. It is not likely that for generations, every priest will have Badhaka 9th house in next life. No person of other religion is allowed inside Mecca, does that mean all Muslims have 9th house Badhaka? I doubt. Chandrashekhar. freedom wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} ..shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} BestFit Clean Clean DocumentEmail false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} Mukund In most places in India, the sign says Hindus only, but it is an open definition of Hindu. Both Tryambakeshwar and Visnwanath I was stopped from entering, but a few minutes talking to the temple officials was enough to show them my sincerity in the hindu dharma and I was let in. But the definition of the Jagannath temple is that a Hindu must be an Indian native or born of Indian parents. Even people who are third generation American Hindus are denied access to the Jagannath temple, there is no debating, it is very strict there. Many Hindu temples in Nepal are the same way. In Katmandu I was denied access to Pasupati on an early Monday morning in dhoti, with all the proper offerings for a full puja. There was no negotiation, after giving my arguments I was told, “you have white skin and grey eyes, you will never enter this temple.” It was the priests at the Pasupatinath Temple that had kept the complete Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra till it made its way to Varanasi, that is the blessing Shiva has given to Jyotishis at that place. But there is still discrimination in this world and not all strings can be pulled every where. These rules are employed by people who will have ninth house bhadaka in their next life, this is just the way of karma. Namah Sivaya monmuk111 [monmuk111 ] Monday, December 20, 2004 11:39 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Formal Apology Hello Visti: I'm surpised that you weren't allowed in the Jaggnath temple. I recently was at the Tyrambakeshwar Shiva temple, which hosts/holds the 10th Jyotirling and one of the most important for Hindus. There I saw a board saying "Only Hindus allowed on enter the temple." However, I saw plenty of foreigners, i.e. light skinned people, entering the temple. Obviously, they were all Hindus. Now, I'm assuming that you are a Hindu--I've seen your picture where you were wearing an "abotiu/dhoti," i.e. loin cloth worn by Hindus/Brahmins. If you're a Hindu, you SHOULD be allowed to enter the temple. Visti, most temples in India are open to ALL people. In fact, I saw plenty of Sikhs at the Tyrambakeshwar temple, no one was stopping them. And, I've seen people of every color/religion at the Siddhivinayak temple in Bombay--which in my opinion is holiest of the holy abode of the favorite and the most revered God of Hindus, the Ganesh. I'm sorry for your negative experience at the Jagganath temple. If I had been around, I'd have pulled some strings or made some noise, either which one of the remedies, works in India. Mukund , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ..Hari Om.. > > Dear List, Namaste > > I would like to apologize for my discriminating slur against the Orissi > people, by calling them Xenophobic. Please excuse my words, I felt too > comfortable and began to speak my thoughts too freely. > > Far from everybody is Xenophobic in Orissa, and my statement was a result of > my inability to enter the Jagannath Temple in Orissa due to my birth > heritage. > > Again I'm sorry if I have offended anyone. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--> <!--[endif]--> ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. 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Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Jaya color:navy"> Jagannatha 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Dear Sarbani, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">What is Sanatana Dharma if it is not what Eastern Philosophy in Kali Yuga espouses in mankind as Hinduism? 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">You see, Sarbani, I had no reason to doubt my Guru when He told me the previous year that I was to visit Sri Jagannath Madir. There was no need to be in sanctum sanctorum when the Pandas paraded his most beautiful Sri Sri Krishna round the gardens of the temple and I was given a set of cymbals to welcome His return………..to love and the awe struck touch on Him. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">It was lunch time. The curtains had closed with an Agni Hotra ceremony. The Head of the Purohits caught my eye and he emerged and beckoned me to Sri Padmavati’s inner sanctorum where I alone received Her blessings. BTW, they did not want me to pay for an entrance ticket. The Grand Trine from AmK Jupiter aspects my BK Saturn and 9th lord. color:navy"> Jupiter also aspects my lagna lord in the 10th (temple). 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> Jaya color:navy">, Jaya, Jaya Jagannatha! 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Love, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Manipuri Swee 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> "Times New Roman";color:windowtext"> color:windowtext;font-weight:bold"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext"> Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani (AT) (DOT) org] Monday, December 27, 2004 11:37 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Formal Apology "Times New Roman";color:windowtext"> 12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Dear Chandrshekharji, 12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">You have a point there. Orissa as you know is very strict about letting foreigners enter any of its holy shrines, let alone the Jagannath Temple. But there are some instances: 12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">1. Swee Chan managed to enter the Jagannath Temple one day, though she did not enter the garbha griha, but she had darshan from the outer natmandir. Probably they thought she was a Manipuri. But the 2nd time she tried she was not permitted. 12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">2. I took Eric Rosenbush into the Dakshina Kali Temple in Puri, considered 2nd only to the Jagannath Temple. I made sure his head was covered with the chaddar and his skin was tanned, but he has light grey eyes which are a give a way. Of course we were 'caught' as we were leaving and I was chastised by a screaming priest, who told me that Bengalis were responsible for the fall of religion in Puri! 12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">3. Sanjayji took Zoran, Barbara Corkrean, Eric Rosenbush (I think), Visti Larsen (I think), Andrea Veccione(I think) to the Ram Chandi Temple near Konarak., another ancient temple where Sri Rama had prayed. 12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">4. Sanjayji took Zoran to an ancient Shiva Temple in Bhubaneswar, where Zoran actually performed a full puja on the Shiva linga. 12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">As you said, what combinations are in the charts of these people that they had darshan of deities in these highly sacred temples of Orissa where foreigners are forbidden? (Eric: Sun in Dhanu in the 9th aspected by an exalted Jupiter. Hamsa and Malavaya Mahapurusha Yoga. Zoran: Malavya Mahapurusha Yoga. Both have Jupiter and Venus in kendra, both have Malavya Mahapurusha Yoga, both have the 9th graha drsti of Rahu on the 9th house. Barbara has all 9 planets having rashi drsti on the 9th house. Both Freedom and Visti have Rahu associated with the 9th house but neither Jupiter nor Venus are in kendra for Visti, Freedom and Barbara. Andrea also has Sun in Dhanu in the 9th conjoined BK Mercury. Her Jupiter is also in a kendra, but Rahu's aspect is not there, which seems to be a crucial factor.) 12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Best regards, 12.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Sarbani Chandrashekhar [chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Saturday, December 25, 2004 10:37 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Formal Apology Dear Freedom, Perhaps those denied entrance have some planetary combinations that do not permit them to take darshan of those specific deities. It is not likely that for generations, every priest will have Badhaka 9th house in next life. No person of other religion is allowed inside Mecca, does that mean all Muslims have 9th house Badhaka? I doubt. Chandrashekhar. freedom wrote: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> BestFit Clean Clean DocumentEmail false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 Mukund 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">In most places in India, the sign says Hindus only, but it is an open definition of Hindu. Both Tryambakeshwar and Visnwanath I was stopped from entering, but a few minutes talking to the temple officials was enough to show them my sincerity in the hindu dharma and I was let in. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">But the definition of the Jagannath temple is that a Hindu must be an Indian native or born of Indian parents. Even people who are third generation American Hindus are denied access to the Jagannath temple, there is no debating, it is very strict there. Many Hindu temples in Nepal are the same way. In Katmandu I was denied access to Pasupati on an early Monday morning in dhoti, with all the proper offerings for a full puja. There was no negotiation, after giving my arguments I was told, “you have white skin and grey eyes, you will never enter this temple.” It was the priests at the Pasupatinath Temple that had kept the complete Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra till it made its way to Varanasi, that is the blessing Shiva has given to Jyotishis at that place. But there is still discrimination in this world and not all strings can be pulled every where. These rules are employed by people who will have ninth house bhadaka in their next life, this is just the way of karma. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Namah Sivaya font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-font-family:SimSun;color:black; mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA"> monmuk111 [monmuk111 ] Monday, December 20, 2004 11:39 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Formal Apology Hello Visti: I'm surpised that you weren't allowed in the Jaggnath temple. I recently was at the Tyrambakeshwar Shiva temple, which hosts/holds the 10th Jyotirling and one of the most important for Hindus. There I saw a board saying "Only Hindus allowed on enter the temple." However, I saw plenty of foreigners, i.e. light skinned people, entering the temple. Obviously, they were all Hindus. Now, I'm assuming that you are a Hindu--I've seen your picture where you were wearing an "abotiu/dhoti," i.e. loin cloth worn by Hindus/Brahmins. If you're a Hindu, you SHOULD be allowed to enter the temple. Visti, most temples in India are open to ALL people. In fact, I saw plenty of Sikhs at the Tyrambakeshwar temple, no one was stopping them. And, I've seen people of every color/religion at the Siddhivinayak temple in Bombay--which in my opinion is holiest of the holy abode of the favorite and the most revered God of Hindus, the Ganesh. I'm sorry for your negative experience at the Jagganath temple. If I had been around, I'd have pulled some strings or made some noise, either which one of the remedies, works in India. Mukund , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ..Hari Om.. > > Dear List, Namaste > > I would like to apologize for my discriminating slur against the Orissi > people, by calling them Xenophobic. Please excuse my words, I felt too > comfortable and began to speak my thoughts too freely. > > Far from everybody is Xenophobic in Orissa, and my statement was a result of > my inability to enter the Jagannath Temple in Orissa due to my birth > heritage. > > Again I'm sorry if I have offended anyone. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. 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Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Swee, Namaskar. You are right. 9th house is not only for Hindu religion. Sri Chandrasekhar said the same, i think. It is once own bhagya, which is deciding. Interestingly, i too have BK in 10th vargottama, aspected by AmK, Jup from 2nd vargottama. My experiences inside a temple are very good(given that LL is in the 8th house). And, importantly, 9th lord is in the 8th for Scorpio Lagna. Some bhagya, somewhere..... regards viswanadham On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:51:48 +0200, Swee Chan <swee wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Sarbani, > > > > What is Sanatana Dharma if it is not what Eastern Philosophy in Kali Yuga > espouses in mankind as Hinduism? > > You see, Sarbani, I had no reason to doubt my Guru when He told me the > previous year that I was to visit Sri Jagannath Madir. There was no need to > be in sanctum sanctorum when the Pandas paraded his most beautiful Sri Sri > Krishna round the gardens of the temple and I was given a set of cymbals to > welcome His return………..to love and the awe struck touch on Him. > > It was lunch time. The curtains had closed with an Agni Hotra ceremony. The > Head of the Purohits caught my eye and he emerged and beckoned me to Sri > Padmavati's inner sanctorum where I alone received Her blessings. BTW, they > did not want me to pay for an entrance ticket. > > The Grand Trine from AmK Jupiter aspects my BK Saturn and 9th lord. Jupiter > also aspects my lagna lord in the 10th (temple). > > > > Jaya, Jaya, Jaya Jagannatha! > > > > Love, > > > > Manipuri Swee > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani] > Monday, December 27, 2004 11:37 AM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Formal Apology > > > > Dear Chandrshekharji, > > > > You have a point there. Orissa as you know is very strict about letting > foreigners enter any of its holy shrines, let alone the Jagannath Temple. > But there are some instances: > > > > 1. Swee Chan managed to enter the Jagannath Temple one day, though she did > not enter the garbha griha, but she had darshan from the outer natmandir. > Probably they thought she was a Manipuri. But the 2nd time she tried she was > not permitted. > > > > 2. I took Eric Rosenbush into the Dakshina Kali Temple in Puri, considered > 2nd only to the Jagannath Temple. I made sure his head was covered with the > chaddar and his skin was tanned, but he has light grey eyes which are a give > a way. Of course we were 'caught' as we were leaving and I was chastised by > a screaming priest, who told me that Bengalis were responsible for the fall > of religion in Puri! > > > > 3. Sanjayji took Zoran, Barbara Corkrean, Eric Rosenbush (I think), Visti > Larsen (I think), Andrea Veccione(I think) to the Ram Chandi Temple near > Konarak., another ancient temple where Sri Rama had prayed. > > > > 4. Sanjayji took Zoran to an ancient Shiva Temple in Bhubaneswar, where > Zoran actually performed a full puja on the Shiva linga. > > > > As you said, what combinations are in the charts of these people that they > had darshan of deities in these highly sacred temples of Orissa where > foreigners are forbidden? (Eric: Sun in Dhanu in the 9th aspected by an > exalted Jupiter. Hamsa and Malavaya Mahapurusha Yoga. Zoran: Malavya > Mahapurusha Yoga. Both have Jupiter and Venus in kendra, both have Malavya > Mahapurusha Yoga, both have the 9th graha drsti of Rahu on the 9th house. > Barbara has all 9 planets having rashi drsti on the 9th house. Both Freedom > and Visti have Rahu associated with the 9th house but neither Jupiter nor > Venus are in kendra for Visti, Freedom and Barbara. Andrea also has Sun in > Dhanu in the 9th conjoined BK Mercury. Her Jupiter is also in a kendra, but > Rahu's aspect is not there, which seems to be a crucial factor.) > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Chandrashekhar [chandrashekhar46] > Saturday, December 25, 2004 10:37 PM > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Formal Apology > > Dear Freedom, > Perhaps those denied entrance have some planetary combinations that do not > permit them to take darshan of those specific deities. It is not likely that > for generations, every priest will have Badhaka 9th house in next life. No > person of other religion is allowed inside Mecca, does that mean all Muslims > have 9th house Badhaka? I doubt. > Chandrashekhar. > > freedom wrote: > > Mukund > > In most places in India, the sign says Hindus only, but it is an open > definition of Hindu. Both Tryambakeshwar and Visnwanath I was stopped from > entering, but a few minutes talking to the temple officials was enough to > show them my sincerity in the hindu dharma and I was let in. > > But the definition of the Jagannath temple is that a Hindu must be an Indian > native or born of Indian parents. Even people who are third generation > American Hindus are denied access to the Jagannath temple, there is no > debating, it is very strict there. Many Hindu temples in Nepal are the same > way. In Katmandu I was denied access to Pasupati on an early Monday morning > in dhoti, with all the proper offerings for a full puja. There was no > negotiation, after giving my arguments I was told, "you have white skin and > grey eyes, you will never enter this temple." It was the priests at the > Pasupatinath Temple that had kept the complete Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra > till it made its way to Varanasi, that is the blessing Shiva has given to > Jyotishis at that place. But there is still discrimination in this world and > not all strings can be pulled every where. These rules are employed by > people who will have ninth house bhadaka in their next life, this is just > the way of karma. > > Namah Sivaya > ________________________________ > size=2 width="100%" align=center tabIndex=-1> > > monmuk111 [monmuk111] > Monday, December 20, 2004 11:39 PM > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Formal Apology > > > Hello Visti: > > I'm surpised that you weren't allowed in the Jaggnath temple. I > recently was at the Tyrambakeshwar Shiva temple, which hosts/holds > the 10th Jyotirling and one of the most important for Hindus. > > There I saw a board saying "Only Hindus allowed on enter the temple." > However, I saw plenty of foreigners, i.e. light skinned people, > entering the temple. Obviously, they were all Hindus. > > Now, I'm assuming that you are a Hindu--I've seen your picture where > you were wearing an "abotiu/dhoti," i.e. loin cloth worn by > Hindus/Brahmins. If you're a Hindu, you SHOULD be allowed to enter > the temple. > > Visti, most temples in India are open to ALL people. In fact, I saw > plenty of Sikhs at the Tyrambakeshwar temple, no one was stopping > them. > > And, I've seen people of every color/religion at the Siddhivinayak > temple in Bombay--which in my opinion is holiest of the holy abode of > the favorite and the most revered God of Hindus, the Ganesh. > > I'm sorry for your negative experience at the Jagganath temple. If I > had been around, I'd have pulled some strings or made some noise, > either which one of the remedies, works in India. > > Mukund > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> > wrote: > > ..Hari Om.. > > > > Dear List, Namaste > > > > I would like to apologize for my discriminating slur against the > Orissi > > people, by calling them Xenophobic. Please excuse my words, I felt > too > > comfortable and began to speak my thoughts too freely. > > > > Far from everybody is Xenophobic in Orissa, and my statement was a > result of > > my inability to enter the Jagannath Temple in Orissa due to my birth > > heritage. > > > > Again I'm sorry if I have offended anyone. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--> > <!--[endif]--> > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > ________________________________ > Checked by AVG > Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release Date: > 12/20/2004 > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > ________________________________ > Links > > / > > > > > -- Viswanadham Management Consultant MONEYMATTERS + 91 98 202 28271 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Dear Swee, Well said and illustrated by example. I hope those who thought that the Pujaris will suffer punishment for denying them permission to enter, understand the Astrological significance of what happens, instead of becoming emotional about it. Love, Chandrashekhar. Swee Chan wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} ..shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Clean Clean DocumentEmail false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, What is Sanatana Dharma if it is not what Eastern Philosophy in Kali Yuga espouses in mankind as Hinduism? You see, Sarbani, I had no reason to doubt my Guru when He told me the previous year that I was to visit Sri Jagannath Madir. There was no need to be in sanctum sanctorum when the Pandas paraded his most beautiful Sri Sri Krishna round the gardens of the temple and I was given a set of cymbals to welcome His return………..to love and the awe struck touch on Him. It was lunch time. The curtains had closed with an Agni Hotra ceremony. The Head of the Purohits caught my eye and he emerged and beckoned me to Sri Padmavati’s inner sanctorum where I alone received Her blessings. BTW, they did not want me to pay for an entrance ticket. The Grand Trine from AmK Jupiter aspects my BK Saturn and 9th lord. Jupiter also aspects my lagna lord in the 10th (temple). Jaya, Jaya, Jaya Jagannatha! Love, Manipuri Swee Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani (AT) (DOT) org] Monday, December 27, 2004 11:37 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Formal Apology Dear Chandrshekharji, You have a point there. Orissa as you know is very strict about letting foreigners enter any of its holy shrines, let alone the Jagannath Temple. But there are some instances: 1. Swee Chan managed to enter the Jagannath Temple one day, though she did not enter the garbha griha, but she had darshan from the outer natmandir. Probably they thought she was a Manipuri. But the 2nd time she tried she was not permitted. 2. I took Eric Rosenbush into the Dakshina Kali Temple in Puri, considered 2nd only to the Jagannath Temple. I made sure his head was covered with the chaddar and his skin was tanned, but he has light grey eyes which are a give a way. Of course we were 'caught' as we were leaving and I was chastised by a screaming priest, who told me that Bengalis were responsible for the fall of religion in Puri! 3. Sanjayji took Zoran, Barbara Corkrean, Eric Rosenbush (I think), Visti Larsen (I think), Andrea Veccione(I think) to the Ram Chandi Temple near Konarak., another ancient temple where Sri Rama had prayed. 4. Sanjayji took Zoran to an ancient Shiva Temple in Bhubaneswar, where Zoran actually performed a full puja on the Shiva linga. As you said, what combinations are in the charts of these people that they had darshan of deities in these highly sacred temples of Orissa where foreigners are forbidden? (Eric: Sun in Dhanu in the 9th aspected by an exalted Jupiter. Hamsa and Malavaya Mahapurusha Yoga. Zoran: Malavya Mahapurusha Yoga. Both have Jupiter and Venus in kendra, both have Malavya Mahapurusha Yoga, both have the 9th graha drsti of Rahu on the 9th house. Barbara has all 9 planets having rashi drsti on the 9th house. Both Freedom and Visti have Rahu associated with the 9th house but neither Jupiter nor Venus are in kendra for Visti, Freedom and Barbara. Andrea also has Sun in Dhanu in the 9th conjoined BK Mercury. Her Jupiter is also in a kendra, but Rahu's aspect is not there, which seems to be a crucial factor.) Best regards, Sarbani Chandrashekhar [chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Saturday, December 25, 2004 10:37 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Formal Apology Dear Freedom, Perhaps those denied entrance have some planetary combinations that do not permit them to take darshan of those specific deities. It is not likely that for generations, every priest will have Badhaka 9th house in next life. No person of other religion is allowed inside Mecca, does that mean all Muslims have 9th house Badhaka? I doubt. Chandrashekhar. freedom wrote: BestFit Clean Clean DocumentEmail false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 "> Mukund In most places in India, the sign says Hindus only, but it is an open definition of Hindu. Both Tryambakeshwar and Visnwanath I was stopped from entering, but a few minutes talking to the temple officials was enough to show them my sincerity in the hindu dharma and I was let in. But the definition of the Jagannath temple is that a Hindu must be an Indian native or born of Indian parents. Even people who are third generation American Hindus are denied access to the Jagannath temple, there is no debating, it is very strict there. Many Hindu temples in Nepal are the same way. In Katmandu I was denied access to Pasupati on an early Monday morning in dhoti, with all the proper offerings for a full puja. There was no negotiation, after giving my arguments I was told, “you have white skin and grey eyes, you will never enter this temple.” It was the priests at the Pasupatinath Temple that had kept the complete Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra till it made its way to Varanasi, that is the blessing Shiva has given to Jyotishis at that place. But there is still discrimination in this world and not all strings can be pulled every where. These rules are employed by people who will have ninth house bhadaka in their next life, this is just the way of karma. Namah Sivaya size=2 width="100%" align=center tabIndex=-1> monmuk111 [monmuk111 ] Monday, December 20, 2004 11:39 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Formal Apology Hello Visti: I'm surpised that you weren't allowed in the Jaggnath temple. I recently was at the Tyrambakeshwar Shiva temple, which hosts/holds the 10th Jyotirling and one of the most important for Hindus. There I saw a board saying "Only Hindus allowed on enter the temple." However, I saw plenty of foreigners, i.e. light skinned people, entering the temple. Obviously, they were all Hindus. Now, I'm assuming that you are a Hindu--I've seen your picture where you were wearing an "abotiu/dhoti," i.e. loin cloth worn by Hindus/Brahmins. If you're a Hindu, you SHOULD be allowed to enter the temple. Visti, most temples in India are open to ALL people. In fact, I saw plenty of Sikhs at the Tyrambakeshwar temple, no one was stopping them. And, I've seen people of every color/religion at the Siddhivinayak temple in Bombay--which in my opinion is holiest of the holy abode of the favorite and the most revered God of Hindus, the Ganesh. I'm sorry for your negative experience at the Jagganath temple. If I had been around, I'd have pulled some strings or made some noise, either which one of the remedies, works in India. Mukund , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ..Hari Om.. > > Dear List, Namaste > > I would like to apologize for my discriminating slur against the Orissi > people, by calling them Xenophobic. Please excuse my words, I felt too > comfortable and began to speak my thoughts too freely. > > Far from everybody is Xenophobic in Orissa, and my statement was a result of > my inability to enter the Jagannath Temple in Orissa due to my birth > heritage. > > Again I'm sorry if I have offended anyone. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--> <!--[endif]--> ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release 12/20/2004 ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release 1/3/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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