Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Dear Visti Ji, As you wrote : > > We do not change our viewpoint thou the native may have more than 1 marriage > – the same 1st upapada is used. This concept is very deep and relates to how > the native gives and shares themselves to the entire world, and not just to > the spouse. > > - if you excuse my doubt Visti sir,but I get concept of "giving" related to UL can't be used to have view how we are giving to the rest of world,as I read in one previous Sanjay's mail elaborating on upapada's-we should calculate another upapada from Mo,Sy to have picture of how one is giving to family,entire world etc.Did I get it wrong? It's been said: "...Similarly, the moon represents the Mana and your society/family at large. The Upapada reckoned from chandra lagna is also called Chandra Upapada and here the giving is to the society, family and in the spiritual sence to the Pitris. The purest material form of the Moon is water and that is why water (chandra/soma) is given (upapada) to the pitris with the gayatri mantra (24 syllable-12 house). Extending this theory further to the Sun, the Surya Upapada (Arudha of the 12th house from the Sun) will represent what we give to the whole world at large, to the devatas, to the Gurus and the spiritual master. Offering a lamp (Agni/Sun) to the deity is the best material thing to give. this is the basic concept of the Upapada..." -1) so if Ul would show us the person of oposit sex to whom one shall give to in level of giving up ego,it can show us if/how ONLY partner finds person attractive from 2H from 7th lord? -2) but then what shows us upapada from Venus as karaka for partner/love? -3) and do we apply same logic that 2H from UL would show face and how partner attracts us? Respectfully Maja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Maja, Namaskar Comments below. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Maja [vakelim ] 06 December 2004 10:41 [Om Krishna Guru] few doubts - to Visti Ji 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Dear Visti Ji, As you wrote : > > We do not change our viewpoint thou the native may have more than 1 marriage > – the same 1st upapada is used. This concept is very deep and relates to how > the native gives and shares themselves to the entire world, and not just to > the spouse. > > - if you excuse my doubt Visti sir,but I get concept of "giving" related to UL can't be used to have view how we are giving to the rest of world,as I read in one previous Sanjay's mail elaborating on upapada's-we should calculate another upapada from Mo,Sy to have picture of how one is giving to family,entire world etc.Did I get it wrong? It's been said: "...Similarly, the moon represents the Mana and your society/family at large. The Upapada reckoned from chandra lagna is also called Chandra Upapada and here the giving is to the society, family and in the spiritual sence to the Pitris. The purest material form of the Moon is water and that is why water (chandra/soma) is given (upapada) to the pitris with the gayatri mantra (24 syllable-12 house). Extending this theory further to the Sun, the Surya Upapada (Arudha of the 12th house from the Sun) will represent what we give to the whole world at large, to the devatas, to the Gurus and the spiritual master. Offering a lamp (Agni/Sun) to the deity is the best material thing to give. this is the basic concept of the Upapada..." [Visti] That’s right – you have done some good digging to learn these concepts. However the explanation is very lucidly given by Sanjayji here, and in other mails you will read that the Chandra Upapada (upapada calculated from Moon) shows the place where you will go after death! So there is more to this, and this is the division of the native into body (lagna), mind (moon) and soul (sun) and the upapadas therefrom will indicate on which level we are giving attention to the world. font-family:"Courier New""> -1) so if Ul would show us the person of oposit sex to whom one shall give to in level of giving up ego,it can show us if/how ONLY partner finds person attractive from 2H from 7th lord? [Visti] It need not be of the opposite sex – that depends on taste. But yes it’s the person whom we are physically giving energy to, and sharing our life with. At the base level this is considered as the spouse. font-family:"Courier New""> -2) but then what shows us upapada from Venus as karaka for partner/love? [Visti] I can’t tell you for sure – but it is not part of our own consciousness. font-family:"Courier New""> -3) and do we apply same logic that 2H from UL would show face and how partner attracts us? [Visti] the 2nd house from upapada will show the actual beauty of the spouse. font-family:"Courier New""> Respectfully Maja ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Dear Visti Ji, It gave us very interesting point of view that from Moons upapada we can see where one's going after death.I tryed to find to read more on explanation of that,but couldnt find. Could you be more explicit-how we analize when we come to specific rasi and graha in it,what is it describing actually? Some midlle stage where we stay before next borning or actuall place of borning ? I've been trying to figure out how we should understand and differ some stages-if from lagna in shashtyamsa we see what field is given importance of purifing in rasi.Is it correct to look that way in order to understand essence where we should develop in this particual borning? Effort to find soul way of having final union with God is aspiration of many lifes and we are all on same road on that just our paths and stages differs.How we could understand AREA where one should pay most attention to clear depth of previous falling into material illusions and clear path to attain truth? And can we discover WHICH path is final asspiration of ones soul trying to make that union -will that be made trough bhakti,gyana,karma or raja way.Your artticle on jnana yoga was realy inspiring,and wake few basic questions for me how to recognize wich path one soul have most tendency to take? Sorry if my questions seems to ask a lot explaining but I belive you could guide us to have at least some begging aproach where from to start understanding of this complex issue.Thank you so much for time you give to answear all those questionings in this forum. Deeply thankfull Maja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Maja, Namaskar Comments below. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Maja [vakelim ] 09 December 2004 13:10 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] few doubts - to Visti Ji 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Dear Visti Ji, It gave us very interesting point of view that from Moons upapada we can see where one's going after death.I tryed to find to read more on explanation of that,but couldnt find. [Visti] I would be surprised if you did – the source of the quote is Chandra käla nadi. font-family:"Courier New""> Could you be more explicit-how we analize when we come to specific rasi and graha in it,what is it describing actually? Some midlle stage where we stay before next borning or actuall place of borning ? [Visti] by borning I guess you mean birth. The being is made up of 3 distinct parts. Body (lagna) mind (moon) and soul (sun). These 3 are held together with invisible ropes or rods which are various forms of Shiva. When these ropes leave or get broken we call these forms of Shiva – Rudras. These rudras leave us in stages, i.e. first the body is detached from the mind and soul, and later the soul is detached from the mind by a specific form of shiva called Mahesvara. Then in the next births the soul gets a new mind at conception and the body is final at birth. So when analyzing the upapada from moon (Chandra upapada) it means we are analyzing where the mind is giving to, i.e. where the mind puts all its attention! So the vital learning here is; where the mind puts all its attention is also where it goes after death! So if you are thinking about Om all the time in this birth, then that is where your mind will go when you die. But if your mind was always on fights, then that is where your mind will go and suffer. The suffering is caused by the attachment to non-permanent elements/beings. Hence attachment to family will cause the suffering of seeing ones families demise, or demise of near and dear ones. But attachment to God will not cause suffering as God is permanent. Another vital message comes from this: If you do not remember God in this birth… then how will you remember God in the next? So first thing to do is see whether the planets are malefic or benefic… malefics cause suffering whilst benefics cause happiness/enjoyment. font-family:"Courier New""> I've been trying to figure out how we should understand and differ some stages-if from lagna in shashtyamsa we see what field is given importance of purifing in rasi.Is it correct to look that way in order to understand essence where we should develop in this particual borning? [Visti] Wait with Shastyamsa. Infact karakamsa and ishta devata is more important. font-family:"Courier New""> Effort to find soul way of having final union with God is aspiration of many lifes and we are all on same road on that just our paths and stages differs.How we could understand AREA where one should pay most attention to clear depth of previous falling into material illusions and clear path to attain truth? [Visti] Ista devata. font-family:"Courier New""> And can we discover WHICH path is final asspiration of ones soul trying to make that union -will that be made trough bhakti,gyana,karma or raja way.Your artticle on jnana yoga was realy inspiring,and wake few basic questions for me how to recognize wich path one soul have most tendency to take? [Visti] Wingdings;color:black">J yes we can – it is linked to the karakamsa, and there will be some publications on this in the future. font-family:"Courier New""> Sorry if my questions seems to ask a lot explaining but I belive you could guide us to have at least some begging aproach where from to start understanding of this complex issue.Thank you so much for time you give to answear all those questionings in this forum. Deeply thankfull Maja ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Dear Visti,Namaskar You made an interesting statement : where the mind puts all its attention is also where it goes after death! I remember reading similar verse in one of the books of Swami Prabhupada where in he has quoted from Bhagwat Gita as: "Whatever state of being one remembers when he quits his body , that state he will attain in his next life without fail." Regards, Sameer , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > Comments below. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Maja [vakelim] > 09 December 2004 13:10 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] few doubts - to Visti Ji > > > > > Dear Visti Ji, > > It gave us very interesting point of view that from Moons upapada > we can see where one's going after death.I tryed to find to read > more on explanation of that,but couldnt find. > > > > [Visti] I would be surprised if you did – the source of the quote is Chandra > käla nadi. > > > Could you be more explicit-how we analize when we come to specific > rasi and graha in it,what is it describing actually? > Some midlle stage where we stay before next borning or actuall > place of borning ? > > [Visti] by borning I guess you mean birth. > > The being is made up of 3 distinct parts. Body (lagna) mind (moon) and soul > (sun). These 3 are held together with invisible ropes or rods which are > various forms of Shiva. When these ropes leave or get broken we call these > forms of Shiva – Rudras. These rudras leave us in stages, i.e. first the > body is detached from the mind and soul, and later the soul is detached from > the mind by a specific form of shiva called Mahesvara. > > Then in the next births the soul gets a new mind at conception and the body > is final at birth. > > > > So when analyzing the upapada from moon (Chandra upapada) it means we are > analyzing where the mind is giving to, i.e. where the mind puts all its > attention! So the vital learning here is; where the mind puts all its > attention is also where it goes after death! So if you are thinking about Om > all the time in this birth, then that is where your mind will go when you > die. But if your mind was always on fights, then that is where your mind > will go and suffer. The suffering is caused by the attachment to > non-permanent elements/beings. Hence attachment to family will cause the > suffering of seeing ones families demise, or demise of near and dear ones. > But attachment to God will not cause suffering as God is permanent. > > Another vital message comes from this: If you do not remember God in this > birth… then how will you remember God in the next? > > So first thing to do is see whether the planets are malefic or benefic… > malefics cause suffering whilst benefics cause happiness/enjoyment. > > > I've been trying to figure out how we should understand and differ > some stages-if from lagna in shashtyamsa we see what field is given > importance of purifing in rasi.Is it correct to look that way in > order to understand essence where we should develop in this > particual borning? > > > > [Visti] Wait with Shastyamsa. Infact karakamsa and ishta devata is more > important. > > > Effort to find soul way of having final union with God is > aspiration of many lifes and we are all on same road on that just > our paths and stages differs.How we could understand AREA where one > should pay most attention to clear depth of previous falling into > material illusions and clear path to attain truth? > > > > [Visti] Ista devata. > > > And can we discover WHICH path is final asspiration of ones soul > trying to make that union -will that be made trough > bhakti,gyana,karma or raja way.Your artticle on jnana yoga was realy > inspiring,and wake few basic questions for me how to recognize wich > path one soul have most tendency to take? > > > > [Visti] :-) yes we can – it is linked to the karakamsa, and there will be > some publications on this in the future. > > > Sorry if my questions seems to ask a lot explaining but I belive > you could guide us to have at least some begging aproach where from > to start understanding of this complex issue.Thank you so much for > time you give to answear all those questionings in this forum. > > Deeply thankfull > Maja > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Sponsor > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1294ek58t/M=294855.5468653.6549235.300117 6/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1102680606/A=2455396/R=0/SIG=119u9qmi7/*http: /small > business./domains/> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? 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Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Dear Visti Ji, Thanks for puting some light on this subject. ("... Another vital message comes from this: If you do not remember God in this > birth… then how will you remember God in the next...") We are experionsing 3 forms of time-past,presant and future wich we have to understand and overcome -so on way to God I think there is need for some vital understanding how much we cleard our path in past-how much we are aware of his presance NOW(do we remember or not) and how much we put effort to clear our way for reciving truth. That's way I tryed to figure out trough conection with shashtyamsa- area where we forgot Divine presance,and therefrom bringing certain karma to clear up,but As you said Ishta Devata is more important to having this understanding-I guess placment in house in navamsha would indicate that area,is that corect? For example if it's in 8H,it would be important to acept radical life transformations,through ocult learning developing consciousness of true life(of Atma) thats overcoming physical death? And how karakamsa decode us path of ones final unity to Divine?-if in 12H sits our angel guardian(Ishta Devata)-from there we look for,or trough 9H? Or it's more based on specific patterns from whole karakamsh chart? I'm gladly waiting on your writings on this ,just give us some clue infront please.:-) Worm regards Maja P.S. about-"what we think is where we go"(Chandra upapada),it's been said that when mind is beeing deattached from body -that famous flash of life going infront ones eyes is actually memory of strongest feelings/thoughts(Mo) during lifetime,and when we move to certain levels described as heaven/hell,is where we transform previous mind to new-so malefics-low conciousness there from suffer,and benefics oposit is that actual stage which indicates Chandra upapada? In language of my country death is called smrt-I like word game of meaning in sanskrit-sounds like death is actually - memory(smriti)of written expirioncess in ones mind/heart! , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > Comments below. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Maja [vakelim] > 09 December 2004 13:10 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] few doubts - to Visti Ji > > > > > Dear Visti Ji, > > It gave us very interesting point of view that from Moons upapada > we can see where one's going after death.I tryed to find to read > more on explanation of that,but couldnt find. > > > > [Visti] I would be surprised if you did – the source of the quote is Chandra > käla nadi. > > > Could you be more explicit-how we analize when we come to specific > rasi and graha in it,what is it describing actually? > Some midlle stage where we stay before next borning or actuall > place of borning ? > > [Visti] by borning I guess you mean birth. > > The being is made up of 3 distinct parts. Body (lagna) mind (moon) and soul > (sun). These 3 are held together with invisible ropes or rods which are > various forms of Shiva. When these ropes leave or get broken we call these > forms of Shiva – Rudras. These rudras leave us in stages, i.e. first the > body is detached from the mind and soul, and later the soul is detached from > the mind by a specific form of shiva called Mahesvara. > > Then in the next births the soul gets a new mind at conception and the body > is final at birth. > > > > So when analyzing the upapada from moon (Chandra upapada) it means we are > analyzing where the mind is giving to, i.e. where the mind puts all its > attention! So the vital learning here is; where the mind puts all its > attention is also where it goes after death! So if you are thinking about Om > all the time in this birth, then that is where your mind will go when you > die. But if your mind was always on fights, then that is where your mind > will go and suffer. The suffering is caused by the attachment to > non-permanent elements/beings. Hence attachment to family will cause the > suffering of seeing ones families demise, or demise of near and dear ones. > But attachment to God will not cause suffering as God is permanent. > > Another vital message comes from this: If you do not remember God in this > birth… then how will you remember God in the next? > > So first thing to do is see whether the planets are malefic or benefic… > malefics cause suffering whilst benefics cause happiness/enjoyment. > > > I've been trying to figure out how we should understand and differ > some stages-if from lagna in shashtyamsa we see what field is given > importance of purifing in rasi.Is it correct to look that way in > order to understand essence where we should develop in this > particual borning? > > > > [Visti] Wait with Shastyamsa. Infact karakamsa and ishta devata is more > important. > > > Effort to find soul way of having final union with God is > aspiration of many lifes and we are all on same road on that just > our paths and stages differs.How we could understand AREA where one > should pay most attention to clear depth of previous falling into > material illusions and clear path to attain truth? > > > > [Visti] Ista devata. > > > And can we discover WHICH path is final asspiration of ones soul > trying to make that union -will that be made trough > bhakti,gyana,karma or raja way.Your artticle on jnana yoga was realy > inspiring,and wake few basic questions for me how to recognize wich > path one soul have most tendency to take? > > > > [Visti] :-) yes we can – it is linked to the karakamsa, and there will be > some publications on this in the future. > > > Sorry if my questions seems to ask a lot explaining but I belive > you could guide us to have at least some begging aproach where from > to start understanding of this complex issue.Thank you so much for > time you give to answear all those questionings in this forum. > > Deeply thankfull > Maja > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Sponsor > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1294ek58t/M=294855.5468653.6549235.30011 76/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1102680606/A=2455396/R=0/SIG=119u9qmi7/*http :/small > business./domains/> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? 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