Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Dear Vistiji & All, The 5 planets causing the MPY, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus & Saturn represent the 5 tatwas fire, earth, ether, water & air respectively. If we take a look @ the houses these planets own & exalt in: Mars - Scorpio (Water), Aries (Fire), Capricorn (earth). Mercury - Gemini (Air), Virgo (Earth) Jupiter - Saggitarius (Fire), Pisces (Water), Cancer (Water). Venus - Taurus (earth), Libra (Air), Pisces (Water) Saturn - Capricorn (earth), Aquarius (Air), Libra (Air). So from the above can we say the following assuming that luminaries are in good strength & the planets are well-disposed in D-9. 1)The most potent form of Mahapurusha yoga occurs when the tatwas are the same, i.e to say Ma in Aries, Me in Virgo, Ve in Pisces & Sa in Aq,Li. 2) There is a school of thought that such planets should not be in contact with luminaries as then the MPY will not get manifested completely. Is it as straight forward as saying that their traits will get altered ? Is this true if they are conjunct other planets too ? Warm Regards, Ravish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Ravish, Namaskar The tattvas of the signs are not the basis of a planets exaltation, moolatrikona or svakshetra, so please do not use that logic. The most potent is always the exalted mahapurusha. Never heard of this – just that the Sun and Moon must be strong for these yogas to happen… how they must be strong is also a good question 8-D. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Ravish [smart_rapheal ] 04 December 2004 17:57 [Om Krishna Guru] MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Dear Vistiji & All, The 5 planets causing the MPY, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus & Saturn represent the 5 tatwas fire, earth, ether, water & air respectively. If we take a look @ the houses these planets own & exalt in: Mars - Scorpio (Water), Aries (Fire), Capricorn (earth). Mercury - Gemini (Air), Virgo (Earth) Jupiter - Saggitarius (Fire), Pisces (Water), Cancer (Water). Venus - Taurus (earth), Libra (Air), Pisces (Water) Saturn - Capricorn (earth), Aquarius (Air), Libra (Air). So from the above can we say the following assuming that luminaries are in good strength & the planets are well-disposed in D-9. 1)The most potent form of Mahapurusha yoga occurs when the tatwas are the same, i.e to say Ma in Aries, Me in Virgo, Ve in Pisces & Sa in Aq,Li. 2) There is a school of thought that such planets should not be in contact with luminaries as then the MPY will not get manifested completely. Is it as straight forward as saying that their traits will get altered ? Is this true if they are conjunct other planets too ? Warm Regards, Ravish ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Dear Vistiji, I was not trying to arrive @ the planets exaltation, moolatrikona or svakeshtra based on tattvas, instead was merely thinking it as: Ma being a fiery planet (agni), the characteristics of Ruchaka yoga being leader, bold & aggressive, I thought this was in line with agni tattva more than watery scorpio or airy capricorn. Hence thought Mars being in Kendra to lagna in Aries (agni) can perhaps result in the most potent form of Mahapurusha yoga....so on for the other planets mentioned. 2. Never heard of this - just that the Sun and Moon must be strong for > these yogas to happen. how they must be strong is also a good question 8-D. How they must be strong ? By being placed in friends house & not in a dusthana. The same with D-9. Correct ? Warm Regards, Ravish , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > 1. The tattvas of the signs are not the basis of a planets exaltation, > moolatrikona or svakshetra, so please do not use that logic. The most potent > is always the exalted mahapurusha. > 2. Never heard of this - just that the Sun and Moon must be strong for > these yogas to happen. how they must be strong is also a good question 8-D. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > 04 December 2004 17:57 > > [Om Krishna Guru] MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > Dear Vistiji & All, > > The 5 planets causing the MPY, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus & Saturn > represent the 5 tatwas fire, earth, ether, water & air respectively. > If we take a look @ the houses these planets own & exalt in: > > Mars - Scorpio (Water), Aries (Fire), Capricorn (earth). > Mercury - Gemini (Air), Virgo (Earth) > Jupiter - Saggitarius (Fire), Pisces (Water), Cancer (Water). > Venus - Taurus (earth), Libra (Air), Pisces (Water) > Saturn - Capricorn (earth), Aquarius (Air), Libra (Air). > > So from the above can we say the following assuming that luminaries > are in good strength & the planets are well-disposed in D-9. > > 1)The most potent form of Mahapurusha yoga occurs when the tatwas are > the same, i.e to say Ma in Aries, Me in Virgo, Ve in Pisces & Sa in Aq,Li. > > 2) There is a school of thought that such planets should not be in > contact with luminaries as then the MPY will not get manifested > completely. Is it as straight forward as saying that their traits will > get altered ? Is this true if they are conjunct other planets too ? > > Warm Regards, > Ravish > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Sponsor > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129nmesic/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1102265882/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/compa > nion.> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2128215/rand=544626328> > > > > _____ > > Links > > * > / > > * > > <?subject=Un> > > * > <> Terms of Service. > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Ravish, Namaskar Ok, so if we see the chart of Bill Clinton, Moon is placed in debilitated Navämça. By definition this means that whilst his Räjya Yoga had no problem getting instigated (lost only his first election), the sustenance of his rajya yoga should be nill. This doesn’t sound like a guy who served 2 terms as president and continues to be famous for a recent book and possibly joining a position in the United Nations. So I guess there is something else to it. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Ravish [smart_rapheal ] 04 December 2004 18:24 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Dear Vistiji, I was not trying to arrive @ the planets exaltation, moolatrikona or svakeshtra based on tattvas, instead was merely thinking it as: Ma being a fiery planet (agni), the characteristics of Ruchaka yoga being leader, bold & aggressive, I thought this was in line with agni tattva more than watery scorpio or airy capricorn. Hence thought Mars being in Kendra to lagna in Aries (agni) can perhaps result in the most potent form of Mahapurusha yoga....so on for the other planets mentioned. 2. Never heard of this - just that the Sun and Moon must be strong for > these yogas to happen. how they must be strong is also a good question 8-D. How they must be strong ? By being placed in friends house & not in a dusthana. The same with D-9. Correct ? Warm Regards, Ravish , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > 1. The tattvas of the signs are not the basis of a planets exaltation, > moolatrikona or svakshetra, so please do not use that logic. The most potent > is always the exalted mahapurusha. > 2. Never heard of this - just that the Sun and Moon must be strong for > these yogas to happen. how they must be strong is also a good question 8-D. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > 04 December 2004 17:57 > > [Om Krishna Guru] MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > Dear Vistiji & All, > > The 5 planets causing the MPY, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus & Saturn > represent the 5 tatwas fire, earth, ether, water & air respectively. > If we take a look @ the houses these planets own & exalt in: > > Mars - Scorpio (Water), Aries (Fire), Capricorn (earth). > Mercury - Gemini (Air), Virgo (Earth) > Jupiter - Saggitarius (Fire), Pisces (Water), Cancer (Water). > Venus - Taurus (earth), Libra (Air), Pisces (Water) > Saturn - Capricorn (earth), Aquarius (Air), Libra (Air). > > So from the above can we say the following assuming that luminaries > are in good strength & the planets are well-disposed in D-9. > > 1)The most potent form of Mahapurusha yoga occurs when the tatwas are > the same, i.e to say Ma in Aries, Me in Virgo, Ve in Pisces & Sa in Aq,Li. > > 2) There is a school of thought that such planets should not be in > contact with luminaries as then the MPY will not get manifested > completely. Is it as straight forward as saying that their traits will > get altered ? Is this true if they are conjunct other planets too ? > > Warm Regards, > Ravish > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129nmesic/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1102265882/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/compa > nion.> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2128215/rand=544626328> > > > > _____ > > Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > / > > * To from this group, send an email to: > > <?subject=Un> > > * Your use of is subject to the > <> Terms of Service. > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. 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Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Dear Visitji, But in Bill Clintons Navamsa, Mo gets neechabhanga on 2 accounts, Mars (its dispositor) aspects it from Aries & also Ve (lord of the house where it exalts) is in kendra from Navamsa lagna.... If not this then as per Pancha-Vargeeya, both his Sun & Moon are powerful. Is this the reason for his raj yogas to fructify ? Warm Regards, Ravish , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > Ok, so if we see the chart of Bill Clinton, Moon is placed in debilitated > Navämça. By definition this means that whilst his Räjya Yoga had no problem > getting instigated (lost only his first election), the sustenance of his > rajya yoga should be nill. This doesn't sound like a guy who served 2 terms > as president and continues to be famous for a recent book and possibly > joining a position in the United Nations. > > > > So I guess there is something else to it. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > 04 December 2004 18:24 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > I was not trying to arrive @ the planets exaltation, moolatrikona or > svakeshtra based on tattvas, instead was merely thinking it as: Ma > being a fiery planet (agni), the characteristics of Ruchaka yoga being > leader, bold & aggressive, I thought this was in line with agni tattva > more than watery scorpio or airy capricorn. Hence thought Mars being > in Kendra to lagna in Aries (agni) can perhaps result in the most > potent form of Mahapurusha yoga....so on for the other planets mentioned. > > 2. Never heard of this - just that the Sun and Moon must be strong for > > these yogas to happen. how they must be strong is also a good > question 8-D. > > How they must be strong ? > > By being placed in friends house & not in a dusthana. The same with > D-9. Correct ? > > Warm Regards, > Ravish > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > 1. The tattvas of the signs are not the basis of a planets > exaltation, > > moolatrikona or svakshetra, so please do not use that logic. The > most potent > > is always the exalted mahapurusha. > > 2. Never heard of this - just that the Sun and Moon must be strong > for > > these yogas to happen. how they must be strong is also a good > question 8-D. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > 04 December 2004 17:57 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji & All, > > > > The 5 planets causing the MPY, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus & Saturn > > represent the 5 tatwas fire, earth, ether, water & air respectively. > > If we take a look @ the houses these planets own & exalt in: > > > > Mars - Scorpio (Water), Aries (Fire), Capricorn (earth). > > Mercury - Gemini (Air), Virgo (Earth) > > Jupiter - Saggitarius (Fire), Pisces (Water), Cancer (Water). > > Venus - Taurus (earth), Libra (Air), Pisces (Water) > > Saturn - Capricorn (earth), Aquarius (Air), Libra (Air). > > > > So from the above can we say the following assuming that luminaries > > are in good strength & the planets are well-disposed in D-9. > > > > 1)The most potent form of Mahapurusha yoga occurs when the tatwas are > > the same, i.e to say Ma in Aries, Me in Virgo, Ve in Pisces & Sa in > Aq,Li. > > > > 2) There is a school of thought that such planets should not be in > > contact with luminaries as then the MPY will not get manifested > > completely. Is it as straight forward as saying that their traits will > > get altered ? Is this true if they are conjunct other planets too ? > > > > Warm Regards, > > Ravish > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > that the > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129nmesic/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1102265882/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/compa > > nion.> click here > > > > > > > > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > > :HM/A=2128215/rand=544626328> > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Links > > > > * > > / > > > > * > > > > <?subject=Un> > > > > * > > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Sponsor > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129o3k8c0/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1102269390/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/compa > nion.> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2128215/rand=167937210> > > > > _____ > > Links > > * > / > > * > > <?subject=Un> > > * > <> Terms of Service. > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Ravish, Namaskar If we are to apply neecha bhanga rules in the navamsa itself, then how will it strengthen the planet in the rasi? Infact it will only be strong in navamsa. Maybe you are right about pancha-vargeeya bala. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Ravish [smart_rapheal ] 05 December 2004 17:35 [Om Krishna Guru] Re: MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Dear Visitji, But in Bill Clintons Navamsa, Mo gets neechabhanga on 2 accounts, Mars (its dispositor) aspects it from Aries & also Ve (lord of the house where it exalts) is in kendra from Navamsa lagna.... If not this then as per Pancha-Vargeeya, both his Sun & Moon are powerful. Is this the reason for his raj yogas to fructify ? Warm Regards, Ravish , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > Ok, so if we see the chart of Bill Clinton, Moon is placed in debilitated > Navämça. By definition this means that whilst his Räjya Yoga had no problem > getting instigated (lost only his first election), the sustenance of his > rajya yoga should be nill. This doesn't sound like a guy who served 2 terms > as president and continues to be famous for a recent book and possibly > joining a position in the United Nations. > > > > So I guess there is something else to it. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > 04 December 2004 18:24 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > I was not trying to arrive @ the planets exaltation, moolatrikona or > svakeshtra based on tattvas, instead was merely thinking it as: Ma > being a fiery planet (agni), the characteristics of Ruchaka yoga being > leader, bold & aggressive, I thought this was in line with agni tattva > more than watery scorpio or airy capricorn. Hence thought Mars being > in Kendra to lagna in Aries (agni) can perhaps result in the most > potent form of Mahapurusha yoga....so on for the other planets mentioned. > > 2. Never heard of this - just that the Sun and Moon must be strong for > > these yogas to happen. how they must be strong is also a good > question 8-D. > > How they must be strong ? > > By being placed in friends house & not in a dusthana. The same with > D-9. Correct ? > > Warm Regards, > Ravish > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > 1. The tattvas of the signs are not the basis of a planets > exaltation, > > moolatrikona or svakshetra, so please do not use that logic. The > most potent > > is always the exalted mahapurusha. > > 2. Never heard of this - just that the Sun and Moon must be strong > for > > these yogas to happen. how they must be strong is also a good > question 8-D. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > 04 December 2004 17:57 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji & All, > > > > The 5 planets causing the MPY, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus & Saturn > > represent the 5 tatwas fire, earth, ether, water & air respectively. > > If we take a look @ the houses these planets own & exalt in: > > > > Mars - Scorpio (Water), Aries (Fire), Capricorn (earth). > > Mercury - Gemini (Air), Virgo (Earth) > > Jupiter - Saggitarius (Fire), Pisces (Water), Cancer (Water). > > Venus - Taurus (earth), Libra (Air), Pisces (Water) > > Saturn - Capricorn (earth), Aquarius (Air), Libra (Air). > > > > So from the above can we say the following assuming that luminaries > > are in good strength & the planets are well-disposed in D-9. > > > > 1)The most potent form of Mahapurusha yoga occurs when the tatwas are > > the same, i.e to say Ma in Aries, Me in Virgo, Ve in Pisces & Sa in > Aq,Li. > > > > 2) There is a school of thought that such planets should not be in > > contact with luminaries as then the MPY will not get manifested > > completely. Is it as straight forward as saying that their traits will > > get altered ? Is this true if they are conjunct other planets too ? > > > > Warm Regards, > > Ravish > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > that the > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129nmesic/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1102265882/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/compa > > nion.> click here > > > > > > > > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > > :HM/A=2128215/rand=544626328> > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Links > > > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > > / > > > > * To from this group, send an email to: > > > > <?subject=Un> > > > > * Your use of is subject to the > > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129o3k8c0/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1102269390/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/compa > nion.> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2128215/rand=167937210> > > > > _____ > > Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > / > > * To from this group, send an email to: > > <?subject=Un> > > * Your use of is subject to the > <> Terms of Service. > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. 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Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Dear Vistiji, Then a natural question comes....if a planet is debiliated or weak in Rasi, why does one advice we look for its strength in D-9 ? Is there some other reason why clinton's raja-yogas fructified ? Warm Regards, Ravish , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > 1. If we are to apply neecha bhanga rules in the navamsa itself, then > how will it strengthen the planet in the rasi? Infact it will only be strong > in navamsa. > 2. Maybe you are right about pancha-vargeeya bala. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > 05 December 2004 17:35 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > Dear Visitji, > > But in Bill Clintons Navamsa, Mo gets neechabhanga on 2 accounts, Mars > (its dispositor) aspects it from Aries & also Ve (lord of the house > where it exalts) is in kendra from Navamsa lagna.... > > If not this then as per Pancha-Vargeeya, both his Sun & Moon are > powerful. Is this the reason for his raj yogas to fructify ? > > Warm Regards, > Ravish > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > Ok, so if we see the chart of Bill Clinton, Moon is placed in > debilitated > > Navämça. By definition this means that whilst his Räjya Yoga had no > problem > > getting instigated (lost only his first election), the sustenance of his > > rajya yoga should be nill. This doesn't sound like a guy who served > 2 terms > > as president and continues to be famous for a recent book and possibly > > joining a position in the United Nations. > > > > > > > > So I guess there is something else to it. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > 04 December 2004 18:24 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > I was not trying to arrive @ the planets exaltation, moolatrikona or > > svakeshtra based on tattvas, instead was merely thinking it as: Ma > > being a fiery planet (agni), the characteristics of Ruchaka yoga being > > leader, bold & aggressive, I thought this was in line with agni tattva > > more than watery scorpio or airy capricorn. Hence thought Mars being > > in Kendra to lagna in Aries (agni) can perhaps result in the most > > potent form of Mahapurusha yoga....so on for the other planets > mentioned. > > > > 2. Never heard of this - just that the Sun and Moon must be > strong for > > > these yogas to happen. how they must be strong is also a good > > question 8-D. > > > > How they must be strong ? > > > > By being placed in friends house & not in a dusthana. The same with > > D-9. Correct ? > > > > Warm Regards, > > Ravish > > > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > > > 1. The tattvas of the signs are not the basis of a planets > > exaltation, > > > moolatrikona or svakshetra, so please do not use that logic. The > > most potent > > > is always the exalted mahapurusha. > > > 2. Never heard of this - just that the Sun and Moon must be > strong > > for > > > these yogas to happen. how they must be strong is also a good > > question 8-D. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > > 04 December 2004 17:57 > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji & All, > > > > > > The 5 planets causing the MPY, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus & Saturn > > > represent the 5 tatwas fire, earth, ether, water & air respectively. > > > If we take a look @ the houses these planets own & exalt in: > > > > > > Mars - Scorpio (Water), Aries (Fire), Capricorn (earth). > > > Mercury - Gemini (Air), Virgo (Earth) > > > Jupiter - Saggitarius (Fire), Pisces (Water), Cancer (Water). > > > Venus - Taurus (earth), Libra (Air), Pisces (Water) > > > Saturn - Capricorn (earth), Aquarius (Air), Libra (Air). > > > > > > So from the above can we say the following assuming that luminaries > > > are in good strength & the planets are well-disposed in D-9. > > > > > > 1)The most potent form of Mahapurusha yoga occurs when the tatwas are > > > the same, i.e to say Ma in Aries, Me in Virgo, Ve in Pisces & Sa in > > Aq,Li. > > > > > > 2) There is a school of thought that such planets should not be in > > > contact with luminaries as then the MPY will not get manifested > > > completely. Is it as straight forward as saying that their traits will > > > get altered ? Is this true if they are conjunct other planets too ? > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > Ravish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > > that the > > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > > today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129nmesic/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=gr > > > > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1102265882/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/compa > > > nion.> click here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > > > :HM/A=2128215/rand=544626328> > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Links > > > > > > * > > > / > > > > > > * > > > > > > <?subject=Un> > > > > > > * > > > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > that the > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129o3k8c0/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1102269390/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/compa > > nion.> click here > > > > > > > > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > > :HM/A=2128215/rand=167937210> > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Links > > > > * > > / > > > > * > > > > <?subject=Un> > > > > * > > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Sponsor > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129rms18a/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1102355700/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/compa > nion.> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2128215/rand=196340068> > > > > _____ > > Links > > * > / > > * > > <?subject=Un> > > * > <> Terms of Service. > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Ravish, Namaskar That’s right – if its exalted in d9 then its good for the d1. But if its debilitated in d9, then its horrible for the d1. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Ravish [smart_rapheal ] 05 December 2004 19:40 [Om Krishna Guru] Re: MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Dear Vistiji, Then a natural question comes....if a planet is debiliated or weak in Rasi, why does one advice we look for its strength in D-9 ? Is there some other reason why clinton's raja-yogas fructified ? Warm Regards, Ravish , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > 1. If we are to apply neecha bhanga rules in the navamsa itself, then > how will it strengthen the planet in the rasi? Infact it will only be strong > in navamsa. > 2. Maybe you are right about pancha-vargeeya bala. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > 05 December 2004 17:35 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > Dear Visitji, > > But in Bill Clintons Navamsa, Mo gets neechabhanga on 2 accounts, Mars > (its dispositor) aspects it from Aries & also Ve (lord of the house > where it exalts) is in kendra from Navamsa lagna.... > > If not this then as per Pancha-Vargeeya, both his Sun & Moon are > powerful. Is this the reason for his raj yogas to fructify ? > > Warm Regards, > Ravish > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > Ok, so if we see the chart of Bill Clinton, Moon is placed in > debilitated > > Navämça. By definition this means that whilst his Räjya Yoga had no > problem > > getting instigated (lost only his first election), the sustenance of his > > rajya yoga should be nill. This doesn't sound like a guy who served > 2 terms > > as president and continues to be famous for a recent book and possibly > > joining a position in the United Nations. > > > > > > > > So I guess there is something else to it. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > 04 December 2004 18:24 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > I was not trying to arrive @ the planets exaltation, moolatrikona or > > svakeshtra based on tattvas, instead was merely thinking it as: Ma > > being a fiery planet (agni), the characteristics of Ruchaka yoga being > > leader, bold & aggressive, I thought this was in line with agni tattva > > more than watery scorpio or airy capricorn. Hence thought Mars being > > in Kendra to lagna in Aries (agni) can perhaps result in the most > > potent form of Mahapurusha yoga....so on for the other planets > mentioned. > > > > 2. Never heard of this - just that the Sun and Moon must be > strong for > > > these yogas to happen. how they must be strong is also a good > > question 8-D. > > > > How they must be strong ? > > > > By being placed in friends house & not in a dusthana. The same with > > D-9. Correct ? > > > > Warm Regards, > > Ravish > > > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > > > 1. The tattvas of the signs are not the basis of a planets > > exaltation, > > > moolatrikona or svakshetra, so please do not use that logic. The > > most potent > > > is always the exalted mahapurusha. > > > 2. Never heard of this - just that the Sun and Moon must be > strong > > for > > > these yogas to happen. how they must be strong is also a good > > question 8-D. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > > 04 December 2004 17:57 > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji & All, > > > > > > The 5 planets causing the MPY, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus & Saturn > > > represent the 5 tatwas fire, earth, ether, water & air respectively. > > > If we take a look @ the houses these planets own & exalt in: > > > > > > Mars - Scorpio (Water), Aries (Fire), Capricorn (earth). > > > Mercury - Gemini (Air), Virgo (Earth) > > > Jupiter - Saggitarius (Fire), Pisces (Water), Cancer (Water). > > > Venus - Taurus (earth), Libra (Air), Pisces (Water) > > > Saturn - Capricorn (earth), Aquarius (Air), Libra (Air). > > > > > > So from the above can we say the following assuming that luminaries > > > are in good strength & the planets are well-disposed in D-9. > > > > > > 1)The most potent form of Mahapurusha yoga occurs when the tatwas are > > > the same, i.e to say Ma in Aries, Me in Virgo, Ve in Pisces & Sa in > > Aq,Li. > > > > > > 2) There is a school of thought that such planets should not be in > > > contact with luminaries as then the MPY will not get manifested > > > completely. Is it as straight forward as saying that their traits will > > > get altered ? Is this true if they are conjunct other planets too ? > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > Ravish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > > that the > > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > > today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129nmesic/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=gr > > > > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1102265882/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/compa > > > nion.> click here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > > > :HM/A=2128215/rand=544626328> > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Links > > > > > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > / > > > > > > * To from this group, send an email to: > > > > > > <?subject=Un> > > > > > > * > > > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > that the > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129o3k8c0/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1102269390/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/compa > > nion.> click here > > > > > > > > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > > :HM/A=2128215/rand=167937210> > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Links > > > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > > / > > > > * To from this group, send an email to: > > > > <?subject=Un> > > > > * Your use of is subject to the > > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129rms18a/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1102355700/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/compa > nion.> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2128215/rand=196340068> > > > > _____ > > Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > / > > * To from this group, send an email to: > > <?subject=Un> > > * Your use of is subject to the > <> Terms of Service. > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. 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Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Dear Vistiji, 7th is the 11th from 9th. In short, gains for house of dharma is through marriage or other 7th house matters. Since D-9 represents this a planet exalted here, will mean the person benefits from the good dharma he/she does, while a planet debilitated means there is a fall in dharma. So we see this in Clinton's chart, fall in dharma after marriage ? But the neecha bhanga has ensured that this situation does not go out of hand ? Is there any other reason apart from Pancha Vargeeya strength of Sun & Moon the raj-yogas in his chart fructified ? Warm Regards, Ravish , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > That's right – if its exalted in d9 then its good for the d1. But if its > debilitated in d9, then its horrible for the d1. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > 05 December 2004 19:40 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > Then a natural question comes....if a planet is debiliated or weak in > Rasi, why does one advice we look for its strength in D-9 ? > > Is there some other reason why clinton's raja-yogas fructified ? > > Warm Regards, > Ravish > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > 1. If we are to apply neecha bhanga rules in the navamsa itself, then > > how will it strengthen the planet in the rasi? Infact it will only > be strong > > in navamsa. > > 2. Maybe you are right about pancha-vargeeya bala. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > 05 December 2004 17:35 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visitji, > > > > But in Bill Clintons Navamsa, Mo gets neechabhanga on 2 accounts, Mars > > (its dispositor) aspects it from Aries & also Ve (lord of the house > > where it exalts) is in kendra from Navamsa lagna.... > > > > If not this then as per Pancha-Vargeeya, both his Sun & Moon are > > powerful. Is this the reason for his raj yogas to fructify ? > > > > Warm Regards, > > Ravish > > > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > > > Ok, so if we see the chart of Bill Clinton, Moon is placed in > > debilitated > > > Navämça. By definition this means that whilst his Räjya Yoga had no > > problem > > > getting instigated (lost only his first election), the sustenance > of his > > > rajya yoga should be nill. This doesn't sound like a guy who served > > 2 terms > > > as president and continues to be famous for a recent book and possibly > > > joining a position in the United Nations. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I guess there is something else to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > > 04 December 2004 18:24 > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > > > I was not trying to arrive @ the planets exaltation, moolatrikona or > > > svakeshtra based on tattvas, instead was merely thinking it as: Ma > > > being a fiery planet (agni), the characteristics of Ruchaka yoga being > > > leader, bold & aggressive, I thought this was in line with agni tattva > > > more than watery scorpio or airy capricorn. Hence thought Mars being > > > in Kendra to lagna in Aries (agni) can perhaps result in the most > > > potent form of Mahapurusha yoga....so on for the other planets > > mentioned. > > > > > > 2. Never heard of this - just that the Sun and Moon must be > > strong for > > > > these yogas to happen. how they must be strong is also a good > > > question 8-D. > > > > > > How they must be strong ? > > > > > > By being placed in friends house & not in a dusthana. The same with > > > D-9. Correct ? > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > Ravish > > > > > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> > wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > > > > > 1. The tattvas of the signs are not the basis of a planets > > > exaltation, > > > > moolatrikona or svakshetra, so please do not use that logic. The > > > most potent > > > > is always the exalted mahapurusha. > > > > 2. Never heard of this - just that the Sun and Moon must be > > strong > > > for > > > > these yogas to happen. how they must be strong is also a good > > > question 8-D. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > > > 04 December 2004 17:57 > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji & All, > > > > > > > > The 5 planets causing the MPY, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus & > Saturn > > > > represent the 5 tatwas fire, earth, ether, water & air respectively. > > > > If we take a look @ the houses these planets own & exalt in: > > > > > > > > Mars - Scorpio (Water), Aries (Fire), Capricorn (earth). > > > > Mercury - Gemini (Air), Virgo (Earth) > > > > Jupiter - Saggitarius (Fire), Pisces (Water), Cancer (Water). > > > > Venus - Taurus (earth), Libra (Air), Pisces (Water) > > > > Saturn - Capricorn (earth), Aquarius (Air), Libra (Air). > > > > > > > > So from the above can we say the following assuming that luminaries > > > > are in good strength & the planets are well-disposed in D-9. > > > > > > > > 1)The most potent form of Mahapurusha yoga occurs when the > tatwas are > > > > the same, i.e to say Ma in Aries, Me in Virgo, Ve in Pisces & Sa in > > > Aq,Li. > > > > > > > > 2) There is a school of thought that such planets should not be in > > > > contact with luminaries as then the MPY will not get manifested > > > > completely. Is it as straight forward as saying that their > traits will > > > > get altered ? 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Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Ravish, Namaskar Comments below. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Ravish [smart_rapheal ] 06 December 2004 05:40 [Om Krishna Guru] Re: MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Dear Vistiji, 7th is the 11th from 9th. In short, gains for house of dharma is through marriage or other 7th house matters. Since D-9 represents this a planet exalted here, will mean the person benefits from the good dharma he/she does, while a planet debilitated means there is a fall in dharma. [Visti] The D9 shows the bhägya that you get from past life deeds. font-family:"Courier New""> So we see this in Clinton's chart, fall in dharma after marriage ? [Visti] Not everyone with a debilitated planet in d9, suffers after marriage. See the D9 when analyzed independently will reveal issues about our attitude, abilities, dharma, and how we share these with our spouses. But when analyzed in conjunction with the d1, then we are analyzing the bhägya which is waiting to manifest in our lives. This way we have d1 as our life and its overall indications whilst d9 is the luck we get in that same life. Example: If you have a strong malefic in the 6th from arudha lagna in d1, then we say that the native is fighter and may conquer his/her enemies. The native will also show this trait outwardly, and we will all think that he/she will conquer his enemies and win any wars. But! If in the d9, that malefic is debilitated then whilst everyone is expecting the native to win, they loose instead… we call this bad luck. font-family:"Courier New""> But the neecha bhanga has ensured that this situation does not go out of hand ? [Visti] Ok let me set this straight. If say Mars is debilitated in the d1, then Saturn, Moon and Jupiter can give neecha bhanga to Mars in the d1. They cannot do so in the D9. But if Mars is exalted in D9 then luck will shine on Mars’s d1 placement. font-family:"Courier New""> Is there any other reason apart from Pancha Vargeeya strength of Sun & Moon the raj-yogas in his chart fructified ? [Visti] Well first you have to convince us all that pancha-vargeeya works or not – analyze more charts and present a writeup for us all to see. font-family:"Courier New""> Warm Regards, Ravish , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > That's right – if its exalted in d9 then its good for the d1. But if its > debilitated in d9, then its horrible for the d1. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > 05 December 2004 19:40 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > Then a natural question comes....if a planet is debiliated or weak in > Rasi, why does one advice we look for its strength in D-9 ? > > Is there some other reason why clinton's raja-yogas fructified ? > > Warm Regards, > Ravish > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > 1. If we are to apply neecha bhanga rules in the navamsa itself, then > > how will it strengthen the planet in the rasi? Infact it will only > be strong > > in navamsa. > > 2. Maybe you are right about pancha-vargeeya bala. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > 05 December 2004 17:35 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visitji, > > > > But in Bill Clintons Navamsa, Mo gets neechabhanga on 2 accounts, Mars > > (its dispositor) aspects it from Aries & also Ve (lord of the house > > where it exalts) is in kendra from Navamsa lagna.... > > > > If not this then as per Pancha-Vargeeya, both his Sun & Moon are > > powerful. Is this the reason for his raj yogas to fructify ? > > > > Warm Regards, > > Ravish > > > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > > > Ok, so if we see the chart of Bill Clinton, Moon is placed in > > debilitated > > > Navämça. By definition this means that whilst his Räjya Yoga had no > > problem > > > getting instigated (lost only his first election), the sustenance > of his > > > rajya yoga should be nill. This doesn't sound like a guy who served > > 2 terms > > > as president and continues to be famous for a recent book and possibly > > > joining a position in the United Nations. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I guess there is something else to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > > 04 December 2004 18:24 > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > > > I was not trying to arrive @ the planets exaltation, moolatrikona or > > > svakeshtra based on tattvas, instead was merely thinking it as: Ma > > > being a fiery planet (agni), the characteristics of Ruchaka yoga being > > > leader, bold & aggressive, I thought this was in line with agni tattva > > > more than watery scorpio or airy capricorn. Hence thought Mars being > > > in Kendra to lagna in Aries (agni) can perhaps result in the most > > > potent form of Mahapurusha yoga....so on for the other planets > > mentioned. > > > > > > 2. Never heard of this - just that the Sun and Moon must be > > strong for > > > > these yogas to happen. how they must be strong is also a good > > > question 8-D. > > > > > > How they must be strong ? > > > > > > By being placed in friends house & not in a dusthana. The same with > > > D-9. Correct ? > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > Ravish > > > > > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> > wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > > > > > 1. The tattvas of the signs are not the basis of a planets > > > exaltation, > > > > moolatrikona or svakshetra, so please do not use that logic. The > > > most potent > > > > is always the exalted mahapurusha. > > > > 2. Never heard of this - just that the Sun and Moon must be > > strong > > > for > > > > these yogas to happen. how they must be strong is also a good > > > question 8-D. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > > > 04 December 2004 17:57 > > > > To: > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji & All, > > > > > > > > The 5 planets causing the MPY, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus & > Saturn > > > > represent the 5 tatwas fire, earth, ether, water & air respectively. > > > > If we take a look @ the houses these planets own & exalt in: > > > > > > > > Mars - Scorpio (Water), Aries (Fire), Capricorn (earth). > > > > Mercury - Gemini (Air), Virgo (Earth) > > > > Jupiter - Saggitarius (Fire), Pisces (Water), Cancer (Water). > > > > Venus - Taurus (earth), Libra (Air), Pisces (Water) > > > > Saturn - Capricorn (earth), Aquarius (Air), Libra (Air). > > > > > > > > So from the above can we say the following assuming that luminaries > > > > are in good strength & the planets are well-disposed in D-9. > > > > > > > > 1)The most potent form of Mahapurusha yoga occurs when the > tatwas are > > > > the same, i.e to say Ma in Aries, Me in Virgo, Ve in Pisces & Sa in > > > Aq,Li. > > > > > > > > 2) There is a school of thought that such planets should not be in > > > > contact with luminaries as then the MPY will not get manifested > > > > completely. Is it as straight forward as saying that their > traits will > > > > get altered ? 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Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Dear Vistiji, Thank you, it is clear to me now on D-1, D-9. I will try and analyze charts of few prominent personalities with raj-yogas & the comparitive pancha-vargeeya bala, later on will post the same. Warm Regards, Ravish , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > Comments below. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > 06 December 2004 05:40 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > 7th is the 11th from 9th. In short, gains for house of dharma is > through marriage or other 7th house matters. Since D-9 represents this > a planet exalted here, will mean the person benefits from the good > dharma he/she does, while a planet debilitated means there is a fall > in dharma. > > > > [Visti] The D9 shows the bhägya that you get from past life deeds. > > > So we see this in Clinton's chart, fall in dharma after marriage ? > > > > [Visti] Not everyone with a debilitated planet in d9, suffers after > marriage. See the D9 when analyzed independently will reveal issues about > our attitude, abilities, dharma, and how we share these with our spouses. > But when analyzed in conjunction with the d1, then we are analyzing the > bhägya which is waiting to manifest in our lives. This way we have d1 as our > life and its overall indications whilst d9 is the luck we get in that same > life. Example: If you have a strong malefic in the 6th from arudha lagna in > d1, then we say that the native is fighter and may conquer his/her enemies. > The native will also show this trait outwardly, and we will all think that > he/she will conquer his enemies and win any wars. But! If in the d9, that > malefic is debilitated then whilst everyone is expecting the native to win, > they loose instead… we call this bad luck. > > > But the neecha bhanga has ensured that this situation does not go out > of hand ? > > > > [Visti] Ok let me set this straight. If say Mars is debilitated in the d1, > then Saturn, Moon and Jupiter can give neecha bhanga to Mars in the d1. They > cannot do so in the D9. But if Mars is exalted in D9 then luck will shine on > Mars's d1 placement. > > > Is there any other reason apart from Pancha Vargeeya strength of Sun & > Moon the raj-yogas in his chart fructified ? > > > > [Visti] Well first you have to convince us all that pancha-vargeeya works or > not – analyze more charts and present a writeup for us all to see. > > > Warm Regards, > Ravish > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > That's right – if its exalted in d9 then its good for the d1. But if its > > debilitated in d9, then its horrible for the d1. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > 05 December 2004 19:40 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > Then a natural question comes....if a planet is debiliated or weak in > > Rasi, why does one advice we look for its strength in D-9 ? > > > > Is there some other reason why clinton's raja-yogas fructified ? > > > > Warm Regards, > > Ravish > > > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > > > 1. If we are to apply neecha bhanga rules in the navamsa > itself, then > > > how will it strengthen the planet in the rasi? Infact it will only > > be strong > > > in navamsa. > > > 2. Maybe you are right about pancha-vargeeya bala. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > > 05 December 2004 17:35 > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visitji, > > > > > > But in Bill Clintons Navamsa, Mo gets neechabhanga on 2 accounts, Mars > > > (its dispositor) aspects it from Aries & also Ve (lord of the house > > > where it exalts) is in kendra from Navamsa lagna.... > > > > > > If not this then as per Pancha-Vargeeya, both his Sun & Moon are > > > powerful. Is this the reason for his raj yogas to fructify ? > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > Ravish > > > > > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> > wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > > > > > Ok, so if we see the chart of Bill Clinton, Moon is placed in > > > debilitated > > > > Navämça. By definition this means that whilst his Räjya Yoga had no > > > problem > > > > getting instigated (lost only his first election), the sustenance > > of his > > > > rajya yoga should be nill. This doesn't sound like a guy who served > > > 2 terms > > > > as president and continues to be famous for a recent book and > possibly > > > > joining a position in the United Nations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I guess there is something else to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > > > 04 December 2004 18:24 > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > > > > > I was not trying to arrive @ the planets exaltation, moolatrikona or > > > > svakeshtra based on tattvas, instead was merely thinking it as: Ma > > > > being a fiery planet (agni), the characteristics of Ruchaka yoga > being > > > > leader, bold & aggressive, I thought this was in line with agni > tattva > > > > more than watery scorpio or airy capricorn. Hence thought Mars being > > > > in Kendra to lagna in Aries (agni) can perhaps result in the most > > > > potent form of Mahapurusha yoga....so on for the other planets > > > mentioned. > > > > > > > > 2. Never heard of this - just that the Sun and Moon must be > > > strong for > > > > > these yogas to happen. how they must be strong is also a good > > > > question 8-D. > > > > > > > > How they must be strong ? > > > > > > > > By being placed in friends house & not in a dusthana. The same with > > > > D-9. Correct ? > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Ravish > > > > > > > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> > > wrote: > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > 1. The tattvas of the signs are not the basis of a planets > > > > exaltation, > > > > > moolatrikona or svakshetra, so please do not use that logic. The > > > > most potent > > > > > is always the exalted mahapurusha. > > > > > 2. Never heard of this - just that the Sun and Moon must be > > > strong > > > > for > > > > > these yogas to happen. how they must be strong is also a good > > > > question 8-D. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > > > > 04 December 2004 17:57 > > > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] MahaPurusha yoga - extent/purity ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji & All, > > > > > > > > > > The 5 planets causing the MPY, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus & > > Saturn > > > > > represent the 5 tatwas fire, earth, ether, water & air > respectively. > > > > > If we take a look @ the houses these planets own & exalt in: > > > > > > > > > > Mars - Scorpio (Water), Aries (Fire), Capricorn (earth). > > > > > Mercury - Gemini (Air), Virgo (Earth) > > > > > Jupiter - Saggitarius (Fire), Pisces (Water), Cancer (Water). > > > > > Venus - Taurus (earth), Libra (Air), Pisces (Water) > > > > > Saturn - Capricorn (earth), Aquarius (Air), Libra (Air). > > > > > > > > > > So from the above can we say the following assuming that > luminaries > > > > > are in good strength & the planets are well-disposed in D-9. > > > > > > > > > > 1)The most potent form of Mahapurusha yoga occurs when the > > tatwas are > > > > > the same, i.e to say Ma in Aries, Me in Virgo, Ve in Pisces & > Sa in > > > > Aq,Li. > > > > > > > > > > 2) There is a school of thought that such planets should not be in > > > > > contact with luminaries as then the MPY will not get manifested > > > > > completely. 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Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Dear Visti Ji, Please clear the following what-if questions : 1. What is mars is debiliated in both D-1 as well as in D-9 ? 2. What if mars is debiliated in d-9 alone in 2nd house? 3. What if mars is debiliated in d-9 alone in 7th house ? Regards Arvind --- Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > Comments below. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti visti > > > > > > _____ > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > 06 December 2004 05:40 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: MahaPurusha yoga - > extent/purity ? > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > 7th is the 11th from 9th. In short, gains for house > of dharma is > through marriage or other 7th house matters. Since > D-9 represents this > a planet exalted here, will mean the person benefits > from the good > dharma he/she does, while a planet debilitated means > there is a fall > in dharma. > > > > [Visti] The D9 shows the bhägya that you get from > past life deeds. > > > So we see this in Clinton's chart, fall in dharma > after marriage ? > > > > [Visti] Not everyone with a debilitated planet in > d9, suffers after > marriage. See the D9 when analyzed independently > will reveal issues about > our attitude, abilities, dharma, and how we share > these with our spouses. > But when analyzed in conjunction with the d1, then > we are analyzing the > bhägya which is waiting to manifest in our lives. > This way we have d1 as our > life and its overall indications whilst d9 is the > luck we get in that same > life. Example: If you have a strong malefic in the > 6th from arudha lagna in > d1, then we say that the native is fighter and may > conquer his/her enemies. > The native will also show this trait outwardly, and > we will all think that > he/she will conquer his enemies and win any wars. > But! If in the d9, that > malefic is debilitated then whilst everyone is > expecting the native to win, > they loose instead… we call this bad luck. > > > But the neecha bhanga has ensured that this > situation does not go out > of hand ? > > > > [Visti] Ok let me set this straight. If say Mars is > debilitated in the d1, > then Saturn, Moon and Jupiter can give neecha bhanga > to Mars in the d1. They > cannot do so in the D9. But if Mars is exalted in D9 > then luck will shine on > Mars’s d1 placement. > > > Is there any other reason apart from Pancha Vargeeya > strength of Sun & > Moon the raj-yogas in his chart fructified ? > > > > [Visti] Well first you have to convince us all that > pancha-vargeeya works or > not – analyze more charts and present a writeup for > us all to see. > > > Warm Regards, > Ravish > > , "Visti Larsen" > <visti@s...> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > That's right – if its exalted in d9 then its good > for the d1. But if its > > debilitated in d9, then its horrible for the d1. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > 05 December 2004 19:40 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: MahaPurusha yoga - > extent/purity ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > Then a natural question comes....if a planet is > debiliated or weak in > > Rasi, why does one advice we look for its strength > in D-9 ? > > > > Is there some other reason why clinton's > raja-yogas fructified ? > > > > Warm Regards, > > Ravish > > > > , "Visti > Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Ravish, Namaskar > > > > > > 1. If we are to apply neecha bhanga rules > in the navamsa > itself, then > > > how will it strengthen the planet in the rasi? > Infact it will only > > be strong > > > in navamsa. > > > 2. Maybe you are right about > pancha-vargeeya bala. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Ravish [smart_rapheal] > > > 05 December 2004 17:35 > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: MahaPurusha yoga > - extent/purity ? > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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