Akasha

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... hamsasso.aham ..

 

Dear Freedom,

 

You've brought out some nice points. I've been unable to find any

source that talks about "time" clearly. Time may not make sense at the

level of the jivaatma, but this does not imply that time does not exist

there. It reminds me of the famous question, "If a tree falls, and there is

noone to hear it, does it make a sound?"

 

> Akasha is connected to the Atma level, vayu to the chitta level, etc

 

This is different than what I was taught.

 

The jivatma, or the causal body, is a function of avidya. It comes from the

rajasic and tamasic aspects of prakriti (no relation to tattwas)

 

>From the combined sattwic portions of all five subtle tattwas comes the

antahkarana.

 

(I don't mean to imply that what you said is wrong; just different)

 

> In Shoola dashas it is only Jupiter (Jiva/Akasha) and the AK (the Atma)

> that can hold off death (Shani/Time/Vayu) from destroying the body.

> They are the only things that have power over 'our time'.

 

I doubt any of the grahas can prevent the destruction of the body. The best

they can do is continue to yoke the pranas (vayu) to the body. It is

certainly logical that only the subtler tattwa (akasha - Jupiter) can affect

it.

 

Saturn grossifies our prarabdha karma, and makes us experience it now, while

the benefic Jupiter delays the fructification of it. But we have no choice:

the prarabdha karma must be experienced by us in this life. It is often

likened to an arrow that has already left the bow.

 

I happened across this little gem today:

 

yaamiShuM girishanta haste bibharshyastave .

shivaaM giritra taaM kuru maa hi.m siiH puruShaM jagat .

 

O Girishanta (Rudra), the arrow which you hold in hand for shooting, make

that auspicious, O Giritra, do not injure any person and the world.

 

ajit

 

 

 

freedom [freedom]

Mon 11/22/2004 5:06 PM

Ajit Krishnan

 

Indirect basis, logic:

Shani is connected to Time and it is Shani who rules Vayu. In Ayurveda

school I was taught that the tattvas come about into manifestation in order

of Akash, Vayu, Agni, Jala, Prthvi (in order of density). Akasha is

connected to the Atma level, vayu to the chitta level, etc. Time is

experienced by the body and mind (the denser levels). What is time at the

level of the Atma. Has your Atma ever been in a rush to get anywhere. Atma

(Akasha) is beyond the 'dimensions' of time (vayu). It is hard for our

'mind' to understand but this is a basic teaching of the Atma beyond the

physical constraints of time and space, I'm sure you could give more quotes

than I about the freedom from constraints given to the Atma written in

Shastra.

 

In Shoola dashas it is only Jupiter (Jiva/Akasha) and the AK (the Atma) that

can hold off death (Shani/Time/Vayu) from destroying the body. They are the

only things that have power over 'our time'. 

 

I don't mind if you post on the list, it gives more people the ability to

interact and learn, and I always enjoy everyone's opinion.

 

Namah Sivaya

 

 

Ajit Krishnan

Monday, November 22, 2004 7:36 PM

freedom

 

... hamsasso.aham ..

 

Let me ask my question directly: I expected that time would accompany

akasha, and not vayu. i.e. time would accompany creation, no matter how

subtle it was. You pointed out that movement only comes with vayu, and hence

time was associated with vayu. If you have a shastric basis for this, could

you please share it with me?

 

Thanks,

 

        ajit

 

 

freedom [freedom]

Monday, November 22, 2004 4:15 PM

Ajit Krishnan

 

Hare Rama Krsna

 

Why assume it never differentiates itself? I have seen much theory on

whether there is still a prana that exists after pralaya to create again or

whether even this primal prana returns back to the unmanifest. Beyond

philosophy what is the practical application of it though? Maybe it has a

deeper meaning when dealing with Samadhi yoga, but only my thought.

 

If a thought crosses the mind in deep meditation it disturbs the subtlety of

the breath which disturbs the stillness of the body. How can one movement

into manifestation not turn into others? How or why would akasha come and

not the rest of creation since creation is latent in the akasha?

 

Namah Sivaya

 

 

Ajit Krishnan

Monday, November 22, 2004 3:18 PM

freedom

 

... hamsasso.aham ..

 

Dear Freedom,

 

Let's assume that Akasha never differentiates itself. i.e. we have the

following sequence of events.

 

pralaya --> creation of akasha --> pralaya (destruction of akasha) -->

 

Since Vayu doesn't exist here, are you saying that time wouldn't exist

either?

 

        ajit

 

 

 

  "freedom" <freedom@s...>

Date:  Mon Nov 22, 2004  11:19 am

Subject:  RE: |Sri Varaha| Akasha Tattva

 

Hare Rama Krsna

 

Its good you don't believe that there IS Shunya, because it doesn't exist,

that's the whole concept.

 

Akash (space) was first to evolve, then when that space began to move it

became vayu. Motion created time. Time is connected to Vayu (Shani). Time

exists within Akash just like everything else does.

 

Namah Sivaya