RE: [SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro planets/past life

November 1, 2004

Thanks for the answer- sounds like lack of ability for abstract thinking!!!!

/practical thinking-with examples is the basic, mostly pre-adolescent and lower

developmental and ability level, and higher level is abstract thinking/WOW!

Since I've been a truck-driver all my life, perhaps I didn't need abstract

thinking- that's certainly innevitable for those other folks in psychology,

religion, higher education,etc.who cares.LOL!

Please give me an exapmple of how God created this world, to grasp it better.

Lots of Love,

Anna

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Anna,

Everyone retains knowledge differently – the placement of Jupiter in the Navämça

will indicate how this is;

Jupiter in Martian Navämça’s indicate that the person must have examples to

understand a principle. So whenever you make notes, always keep examples on the

same notes/pages.

Best wishes,

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

A.R. [bonamente108 ] 31 October 2004 19:12To:

Subject: RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

Dear Visti,

Thanks.- I accept that you wanted just to teach me, as, in fact, you have been

doing that for a looooong time- but your question didn't sound that way, at

all- you'd admit /you could have just asked what I thought- not to 'forgive

your ignorance'-maybe it's worth saying: in no way have I ever tried to test

your knowledge or , God forbid, to imply that I know more than you do- seems

like that made you sarcastic, my dear Scorpio?/

I am all ears to hear the reason why you asked-My Ju is in Scorpio Navamsa, in

4th, in parivartana with Mars from 5th?

Thanks for the entire explanation- direct answer I expected and wasn't sure

about you gave me: " ...Jupiter will be stationary, which is said to happen for

only 1 hour in a whole year. This is considered very auspicious, as Jupiter is

said to be in perfect meditation during this time, and such people born can be

in direct contact with the divine. Then Sun and Jupiter will be conjoined in

Navämça, and if they are also in trines to Navämça Lagna, then an embodiment of

Sadashiva is born, who is perfectly knowledgeable about the Vedas, Puranas,

Agamas, etc..."

I don't have this, unfortunately, but my parent and one of my clients did- they

perfectly fit your description/sure within the cultural milieu they lived in../

In previous messages you focused on 'negatives' of retro position- that

triggered my interest and the question /btw. when in trine with Sun even when

not retr. I found it to be very beneficial/

I have to explore more and meditate on the rest of what you wrote- like, when

opposition to Sun, sextile- in 3rd/, in 12th...what implications would be?

Thanks so much for this teaching, I appreciate that.

Warm regards,

Anna

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Anna, Namaskar.

Again forgive me (C yes it is childish, but I asked because the purpose of the Guru is to teach.

Which Navdmga is your Jupiter in btw? (C I will tell you why I asked when you answer.

This is what I wanted you to think about with that question;

a) Yoga!/s from Sun (C The Yogas from the Sun are very different from that of

the Lagna. For example; the 5th from the Sun shows what Dharma the world

expects of you, whilst the 4th from Sun shows the work given to you by the

world (C or the work available. 9th from the Sun will show the people in the

world who will support you (C i.e. vote for you.

b) Jupiter will not ALWAYS be retrograde when in a trine from the Sun (C in 50%

of cases of Jupiter in trines to the Sun, Jupiter will be retrograde!- 50%!

Incase of an exact trine (120/240 degrees), Jupiter will be stationary, which

is said to happen for only 1 hour in a whole year. This is considered very

auspicious, as Jupiter is said to be in perfect meditation during this time,

and such people born can be in direct contact with the divine. Then Sun and

Jupiter will be conjoined in Navdmga, and if they are

also in trines to Navdmga Lagna, then an embodiment of Sadashiva is born, who is

perfectly knowledgeable about the Vedas, Puranas, Agamas, etc.

Best wishesm,

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

A.R. [bonamente108 ] 30 October 2004 19:33To:

Subject: RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

Dear Visti,

I will certainly forgive you- but not your 'ignorance'- rather your childish use

of this Q to covey another message /which one?only you know!/ and/or to express

/inappropriate for a Guru IMHO/ arrogance- why you'll ask? Bcs you are a

knowledgeable and good guy, despite that, IMHO, again.

Warm wishes,

Anna

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear A.R. Namaskar.

Forgive me for being ignorant. Please tell me what are the effects of having

Jupiter in a trine to the sun.

Best wishes,

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

A.R. [bonamente108 ] 29 October 2004 02:03To:

Subject: RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

Dear Visti,

You just elaborated around my statement-yes, that's so, these are facts- not an

issue- but you didn't respond to my question- would you please read the whole

message and respond to the Q?

I copied Q in italic, to make it easier for you, Sir: "..the RULE is that Ju is

always retrograde when in TRINE with the Sun which is highly

desirable/beneficial case /IS IT NOT?/- if exact, or almost so, it will be

conj. in Nav. So, where/and why/ is negative conotation coming from- as I have

perceived /from your message/- please clarify.'..To remind you- it was about

JuR you wrote

Thanks,

AnnaVisti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear A, Namaskar

When the Sun is exactly 120 degrees in front of Jupiter, then Jupiter will turn

retrograde. This will continue until the Sun is exactly 240 degrees away from

Jupiter, after which Jupiter will turn direct. Same applies to Mars and Saturn.

Best wishes,

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

A.R. [bonamente108 ] 28 October 2004 00:29To:

Subject: Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

Dear Visti,

I am nor sure I understood you properly- for ex- the RULE is that Ju is always

retrograde when in TRINE with the Sun which is highly desirable/beneficial

case- if exact, or almost so, it will be conj. in Nav. So, where/and why/ is

negative conotation coming from- as I have perceived- please clarify.Regards,

A.

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote:> |Hare

Rama Krsna|> > Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar> > Analyze in 2 steps;> > 1)

Karaka>

New">> 2) Lordship> > > > I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also

analyze 5th lord to see whether the> problem is in the area of children.

Otherwise see the lordship of Jupiter> and the Karaka's of the house which

Jupiter lords.> > > > If both the Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then

make your

New">prediction.> > Best wishes,> > > > > > Visti Larsen> <visti@s...>

visti@s... > > > > > > > > _____

> > vishwanatham [vishwanatham@r...] > 26 October 2004 05:26>

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna>

> Dear Suchitra,> > Good question.> > Look at the naisargika karakatwa of the

planet. In case of Jupiter, > say children. > > Second is look at the 7th from

the planet. That is because we are > talking of desires(7th house) and every

planet(except moksha karaka > Ketu) gives 7th house aspect! The retrograde

planet will give results > in the area of that house, which is in the 7th from

it. This also

> explains, why a retrograde planet acts as debilitated, when in > exaltation

sign and vice-versa.> > Generally, retro planets give results very late, after

a lot of > effort! There was an exchange of mails a couple of weeks ago. Please

> have a look at them.> > In case of a retro Jupiter, the native may have lot of

desire for > having children and adopt modern methods (unconventional, which is

> not a Jupiterian trait, rather like a Rahu!) to obtain children. (i

> am not judging any one here)> > Atmakaraka is a different thing. Car owner

(jeevatma) is going > wherever the driver (mind) is taking. Car itself is like

the lagna, > which the driver is more concerned about, because here the owner

is a > silent spectator! Try to understand retrograde planets, without >

getting into AK, which is like a King's desire, overrides everything > else.

New'">> > Hope this helps.> > regards> viswanadham> > > > > --- In

, "suchitra_kamath" > <suchitra_kamath>

wrote:> > > > > > > > Hello Viswanatham,> > > > I want to clarify myself from

whatever I understood from your > > explanation.> > Suppose a person has

retrograde Jupiter(house 5) and Mercury(House > > 1/Lagna).However the

atmakarak is a NON retrograde MArs,then should > > the interpretation for

desire of atma be taken as if Jupiter and > > Mercury are also atmakarak other

than Mars ?> > > > An atmakarak Jupietr would mean caring for family.> > An

atmakarak

Mercury wouldmena trying to speak truth always.> >

New'">> > So is the atma desiring this or has the desire to do with someother >

> thing which would be related to these planets say knowledge for > > Jupiter

?> > > > Regards> > Suchitra> > , "gilimary

alvey" > > <lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:> > > Dear Vishwanathan,> > > Yes. That

is how I understood it too. Thanks for explaining

it > > so well to > > > us all.> > > Love,> > > Gili> > > > > > >

"vishwanatham" <vishwanatham@r...>> > > >

> > > >> > >

>[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: retro planets/past life> > > >Mon,

25 Oct 2004 05:42:41 -0000> > > >> > > >> > > >Hare Rama Krishna> > > >> > >

>Dear Gili & others,> > > >> > > >It has been said by Guruji & others, like

Visti, that Retro > > planets> > > >are more like the Nodes.> > > >> > > >The

path of Sun & Moon is followed by planets when they are

in> > > >forward motion.> > > >> > > >This also explains why Rahu & Ketu in

Vedic astrology are > *always*> > > >retro.> > > >> > > >While Ketu points to

moksha, it is implied that the birth occured> > > >because moksha did not take

place. It is understandable to most > > that> > > >Rahu is a karmic planet.

New">> > > >> > > >So it is retro planets, which act like Rahu. It is

unfulfilled> > > >desires, which carry us from one life to another.. it is Rahu

> > giving> > > >us a new birth (Varaha avatara resurrecting the earth,

symbolises> > > >rebirth), which is always opposing Ketu sitting in the 7th

house.> > > >> > > >The logic for rebirth, pointing to the retro planets (apart

from> > > >Rahu), is

clear i think.> > > >> > > >This is only my loud thinking.

New'">> > > >> > > >Thanks & regards> > > >viswanadham> > > >--- In

, "gilimary alvey"> > > ><lopamudraxxx@h...>

wrote:> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > I heard Sanjay say once that retro planets

are strong desires > > from> > > >past> > > > > life. Perhaps we should check

with

him.> > > > > Love,> > > > > Gili> > > > >> > > > > >"Ramapriya D"

<hubli@h...>> > > > > >> > > > > >To:

<>> > > > > >Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:> > > >Achyuta> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted

saturn in 6th House> > > >

> >Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:04:06 +0400> > > > > >> > > > > >Hi there

Pratibha,> > > > > >> > > > > >I've heard that too. Kind of adds up, isn't it?

Karmic > desires> > > >might stem> > > > > >from what price there is yet

unpaid, which can mean those > that> > > >curses> > > > > >bestow. Honestly,

this curse-karma-rebirth road is one I >

don't> > > >much travel

New'">> > > > > >on > > > > > >> > > > > >Cheers,> > > > > >> > > > >

>Ramapriya> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > > >

Orchid> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent:

Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:10

AM> > > > > > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] > >

Re:> > > >Achyuta> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted saturn in 6th House> >

> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Ramapriya,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sorry

to jump in, but in your reply you said that Retro > > planets> > > >indicate> >

> > > >curses of a past life. Could you elaborate on that. I > remember> > >

>reading that> > > > > >retro means, that this rebirth is due to a storng

desire > from > > a> > > >past life,> > > > > >or does that apply only to a

retro AK?> > > > > >> > > > > > Would appreciate your comments.> > > > >

>> > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > Pratibha> > > > >> > > > > > >

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|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar

Analyze in 2 steps;

1) Karaka

2) Lordship

I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also analyze 5th lord to see whether the

problem is in the area of children. Otherwise see the lordship of Jupiter and

the Karaka!/s of the house which Jupiter lords.

If both the Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then make your prediction.

Best wishes,

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

vishwanatham [vishwanatham (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com] 26 October 2004

05:26Subject: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

Hare Rama KrishnaDear Suchitra,Good question.Look at the naisargika karakatwa of

the planet. In case of Jupiter, say children. Second is look at the 7th from the

planet. That is because we are talking of desires(7th house) and every

planet(except moksha karaka Ketu) gives 7th house aspect! The retrograde planet

will give results

in the area of that house, which is in the 7th from it. This also explains, why

a retrograde planet acts as debilitated, when in exaltation sign and

vice-versa.Generally, retro planets give results very late, after a lot of

effort! There was an exchange of mails a couple of weeks ago. Please have a

look at them.In case of a retro Jupiter, the native may have lot of desire for

having children and adopt modern methods (unconventional, which is not a

Jupiterian trait, rather like a Rahu!) to obtain children. (i am not judging

any one

here)Atmakaraka is a different thing. Car owner (jeevatma) is going wherever the

driver (mind) is taking. Car itself is like the lagna, which the driver is more

concerned about, because here the owner is a silent spectator! Try to

understand retrograde planets, without getting into AK, which is like a King's

desire, overrides everything else.Hope this helps.regardsviswanadham--- In

, "suchitra_kamath" <suchitra_kamath>

wrote:> > > > Hello Viswanatham,> > I want to clarify myself from whatever I

understood from your > explanation.> Suppose a person has retrograde

Jupiter(house 5) and Mercury(House > 1/Lagna).However the atmakarak is a NON

retrograde MArs,then should > the interpretation for desire of atma be taken as

if Jupiter and > Mercury are also atmakarak other than Mars ?> > An

atmakarak Jupietr would mean caring for family.> An atmakarak Mercury wouldmena

trying to speak truth always.> > So is the atma desiring this or has the desire

to do with someother > thing which would be related to these planets say

knowledge for > Jupiter ?> > Regards> Suchitra> --- In

, "gilimary alvey" > <lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:> >

Dear Vishwanathan,> > Yes. That is

how I understood it too. Thanks for explaining it > so well to > > us all.> >

Love,> > Gili> > > > >"vishwanatham" <vishwanatham@r...>> > >

> > >> > >Subject:

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: retro planets/past life> > >Mon, 25 Oct 2004

05:42:41 -0000> > >> >

>> > >Hare Rama Krishna> > >> > >Dear Gili & others,> > >> > >It has been said

by Guruji & others, like Visti, that Retro > planets> > >are more like the

Nodes.> > >> > >The path of Sun & Moon is followed by planets when they are in>

> >forward motion.> > >> > >This also explains why Rahu & Ketu in Vedic

astrology are *always*> > >retro.> > >> > >While Ketu points to moksha, it is

implied that the birth occured> > >because moksha did not take place. It is

understandable to most > that> > >Rahu is a karmic planet.> > >> > >So it is

retro planets, which act like Rahu. It is unfulfilled> > >desires, which carry

us from one life to

another.. it is Rahu > giving> > >us a new birth (Varaha avatara resurrecting

the earth, symbolises> > >rebirth), which is always opposing Ketu sitting in

the 7th house.> > >> > >The logic for rebirth, pointing to the retro planets

(apart from> > >Rahu), is clear i think.> > >> > >This is only my loud

thinking.> > >> > >Thanks & regards> > >viswanadham>

> >, "gilimary alvey"> > ><lopamudraxxx@h...>

wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > > I heard Sanjay say once that retro planets are

strong desires > from> > >past> > > > life. Perhaps we should check with him.>

> > > Love,> > > > Gili> > > >> > > > >"Ramapriya D" <hubli@h...>> > > >

>

> > > > ><>> > > >

>Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:> > >Achyuta> > >

> >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted saturn in 6th House> > > > >Sun, 24 Oct

2004 19:04:06 +0400> > > > >> > > > >Hi there Pratibha,> > > > >> > > > >I've

heard that too. Kind of adds up, isn't it? Karmic desires

New'">> > >might stem> > > > >from what price there is yet unpaid, which can

mean those that> > >curses> > > > >bestow. Honestly, this curse-karma-rebirth

road is one I don't> > >much travel> > > > >on > > > > >> > > > >Cheers,> >

> > >> > > >

>Ramapriya> > > > >

New'">> > > > > -> > > > > Orchid> > > > >

> > > > > Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:10

AM> > > > > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] > Re:> >

>Achyuta> > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted saturn in 6th House> > > > >> > >

> >> > > > > Dear Ramapriya,> > > > >> > > > > Sorry to jump in, but in your

reply you said that Retro > planets> > >indicate> > > > >curses of a past life.

Could you elaborate on that. I remember> > >reading that> > > > >retro means,

that this rebirth is due to a storng desire from > a> > >past

life,> > > > >or does that apply only to a retro AK?> > > > >> > > > > Would

appreciate your comments.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > > Pratibha> > >

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Dear Anna,

Don't worry, you have company! I also have Jupiter in a martian navamsa!

Cheers!

Lakshmi"A.R." <bonamente108 > wrote:

Dear Visti,

Thanks for the answer- sounds like lack of ability for abstract thinking!!!!

/practical thinking-with examples is the basic, mostly pre-adolescent and lower

developmental and ability level, and higher level is abstract thinking/WOW!

Since I've been a truck-driver all my life, perhaps I didn't need abstract

thinking- that's certainly innevitable for those other folks in psychology,

religion, higher education,etc.who cares.LOL!

Please give me an exapmple of how God created this world, to grasp it better.

Lots of Love,

Anna

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Anna,

Everyone retains knowledge differently – the placement of Jupiter in the Navämça

will indicate how this is;

Jupiter in Martian Navämça’s indicate that the person must have examples to

understand a principle. So whenever you make notes, always keep examples on the

same notes/pages.

Best wishes,

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

A.R. [bonamente108 ] 31 October 2004 19:12To:

Subject: RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

Dear Visti,

Thanks.- I accept that you wanted just to teach me, as, in fact, you have been

doing that for a looooong time- but your question didn't sound that way, at

all- you'd admit /you could have just asked what I thought- not to 'forgive

your ignorance'-maybe it's worth saying: in no way have I ever tried to test

your knowledge or , God forbid, to imply that I know more than you do- seems

like that made you sarcastic, my dear Scorpio?/

I am all ears to hear the reason why you asked-My Ju is in Scorpio Navamsa, in

4th, in parivartana with Mars from 5th?

Thanks for the entire explanation- direct answer I expected and wasn't sure

about you gave me: " ...Jupiter will be stationary, which is said to happen for

only 1 hour in a whole year. This is considered very auspicious, as Jupiter is

said to be in perfect meditation during this time, and such people born can be

in direct contact with the divine. Then Sun and Jupiter will be conjoined in

Navämça, and if they are also in trines to Navämça Lagna, then an embodiment of

Sadashiva is born, who is perfectly knowledgeable about the Vedas, Puranas,

Agamas, etc..."

I don't have this, unfortunately, but my parent and one of my clients did- they

perfectly fit your description/sure within the cultural milieu they lived in../

In previous messages you focused on 'negatives' of retro position- that

triggered my interest and the question /btw. when in trine with Sun even when

not retr. I found it to be very beneficial/

I have to explore more and meditate on the rest of what you wrote- like, when

opposition to Sun, sextile- in 3rd/, in 12th...what implications would be?

Thanks so much for this teaching, I appreciate that.

Warm regards,

Anna

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Anna, Namaskar.

Again forgive me (C yes it is childish, but I asked because the purpose of the Guru is to teach.

Which Navdmga is your Jupiter in btw? (C I will tell you why I asked when you answer.

This is what I wanted you to think about with that question;

a) Yoga!/s from Sun (C The Yogas from the Sun are very different from that of

the Lagna. For example; the 5th from the Sun shows what Dharma the world

expects of you, whilst the 4th from Sun shows the work given to you by the

world (C or the work available. 9th from the Sun will show the people in the

world who will support you (C i.e. vote for you.

b) Jupiter will not ALWAYS be retrograde when in a trine from the Sun (C in 50%

of cases of Jupiter in trines to the Sun, Jupiter will be retrograde!- 50%!

Incase of an exact trine (120/240 degrees), Jupiter will be stationary, which

is said to happen for only 1 hour in a whole year. This is considered very

auspicious, as Jupiter is said to be in perfect meditation during this time,

and such people born can be in direct contact with the divine. Then Sun and

Jupiter will be conjoined in Navdmga, and if they are

also in trines to Navdmga Lagna, then an embodiment of Sadashiva is born, who is

perfectly knowledgeable about the Vedas, Puranas, Agamas, etc.

Best wishesm,

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

A.R. [bonamente108 ] 30 October 2004 19:33To:

Subject: RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

Dear Visti,

I will certainly forgive you- but not your 'ignorance'- rather your childish use

of this Q to covey another message /which one?only you know!/ and/or to express

/inappropriate for a Guru IMHO/ arrogance- why you'll ask? Bcs you are a

knowledgeable and good guy, despite that, IMHO, again.

Warm wishes,

Anna

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear A.R. Namaskar.

Forgive me for being ignorant. Please tell me what are the effects of having

Jupiter in a trine to the sun.

Best wishes,

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

A.R. [bonamente108 ] 29 October 2004 02:03To:

Subject: RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

Dear Visti,

You just elaborated around my statement-yes, that's so, these are facts- not an

issue- but you didn't respond to my question- would you please read the whole

message and respond to the Q?

I copied Q in italic, to make it easier for you, Sir: "..the RULE is that Ju is

always retrograde when in TRINE with the Sun which is highly

desirable/beneficial case /IS IT NOT?/- if exact, or almost so, it will be

conj. in Nav. So, where/and why/ is negative conotation coming from- as I have

perceived /from your message/- please clarify.'..To remind you- it was about

JuR you wrote

Thanks,

AnnaVisti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear A, Namaskar

When the Sun is exactly 120 degrees in front of Jupiter, then Jupiter will turn

retrograde. This will continue until the Sun is exactly 240 degrees away from

Jupiter, after which Jupiter will turn direct. Same applies to Mars and Saturn.

Best wishes,

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

A.R. [bonamente108 ] 28 October 2004 00:29To:

Subject: Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

Dear Visti,

I am nor sure I understood you properly- for ex- the RULE is that Ju is always

retrograde when in TRINE with the Sun which is highly desirable/beneficial

case- if exact, or almost so, it will be conj. in Nav. So, where/and why/ is

negative conotation coming from- as I have perceived- please clarify.Regards,

A.

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote:> |Hare

Rama Krsna|> > Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar> > Analyze in 2 steps;> > 1)

Karaka> > 2) Lordship> > > > I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also

analyze 5th lord to see whether the> problem is in the area of children.

Otherwise see the lordship of Jupiter> and the Karaka's of the house which

Jupiter lords.> > > > If both the Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then

make your

New">prediction.> > Best wishes,> > > > > > Visti Larsen> <visti@s...>

visti@s... > > > > > > > > _____

> > vishwanatham [vishwanatham@r...] > 26 October 2004 05:26>

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Suchitra,> > Good

question.> > Look at the naisargika karakatwa of the planet. In case of

Jupiter, > say children. > > Second is look at the 7th from the planet. That is

because we are > talking of desires(7th house) and every planet(except moksha

karaka > Ketu) gives 7th house aspect! The retrograde planet will give results

> in the area of that house, which is in the 7th from it. This

also > explains, why a retrograde planet acts as debilitated, when in >

exaltation sign and vice-versa.> > Generally, retro planets give results very

late, after a lot of > effort! There was an exchange of mails a couple of weeks

ago. Please > have a look at them.> > In case of a retro Jupiter, the native may

have lot of desire for > having children and adopt modern methods

(unconventional, which is > not a Jupiterian trait, rather like a Rahu!) to

obtain children. (i

> am not judging any one here)> > Atmakaraka is a different thing. Car owner

(jeevatma) is going > wherever the driver (mind) is taking. Car itself is like

the lagna, > which the driver is more concerned about, because here the owner

is a > silent spectator! Try to understand retrograde planets, without >

getting into AK, which is like a King's desire, overrides everything > else.

New'">> > Hope this helps.> > regards> viswanadham> > > > > --- In

, "suchitra_kamath" > <suchitra_kamath>

wrote:> > > > > > > > Hello Viswanatham,> > > > I want to clarify myself from

whatever I understood from your > > explanation.> > Suppose a person has

retrograde Jupiter(house 5) and Mercury(House > > 1/Lagna).However the

atmakarak is a NON retrograde MArs,then should > > the interpretation for

desire of atma be taken as if Jupiter and > > Mercury are also atmakarak other

than Mars ?> > > > An atmakarak Jupietr would mean caring for family.> > An

atmakarak

Mercury wouldmena trying to speak truth always.> >

New'">> > So is the atma desiring this or has the desire to do with someother >

> thing which would be related to these planets say knowledge for > > Jupiter

?> > > > Regards> > Suchitra> > , "gilimary

alvey" > > <lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:> > > Dear Vishwanathan,> > > Yes. That

is how I understood it too. Thanks for explaining

it > > so well to > > > us all.> > > Love,> > > Gili> > > > > > >

"vishwanatham" <vishwanatham@r...>> > > >

> > > >> > >

>[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: retro planets/past life> > > >Mon,

25 Oct 2004 05:42:41 -0000> > > >> > > >> > > >Hare Rama Krishna> > > >> > >

>Dear Gili & others,> > > >> > > >It has been said by Guruji & others, like

Visti, that Retro > > planets> > > >are more like the Nodes.> > > >> > > >The

path of Sun & Moon is followed by planets when they are

in> > > >forward motion.> > > >> > > >This also explains why Rahu & Ketu in

Vedic astrology are > *always*> > > >retro.> > > >> > > >While Ketu points to

moksha, it is implied that the birth occured> > > >because moksha did not take

place. It is understandable to most > > that> > > >Rahu is a karmic planet.> >

> >> > > >So it is retro planets, which act like Rahu. It is unfulfilled> > >

>desires, which carry us from one life to another.. it is Rahu > > giving> > >

>us a new birth (Varaha avatara resurrecting the earth, symbolises> > >

>rebirth), which is always opposing Ketu sitting in the 7th house.> > > >> > >

>The logic for rebirth, pointing to the retro planets (apart from>

> > >Rahu), is clear i think.> > > >> > > >This is only my loud thinking.