RE: [SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro planets/past life

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Analyze

in 2 steps;

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color:navy">Karaka

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I.e. if

Jupiter is retrograde, then also analyze 5th lord to see whether the problem is

in the area of children. Otherwise see the lordship of Jupiter and the Karaka’s

of the house which Jupiter lords.

 

If both the

Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then make your prediction.

Best wishes,

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Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Suchitra,

Good question.

Look at the naisargika karakatwa of the planet. In

case of Jupiter,

say children.

Second is look at the 7th from the planet. That is

because we are

talking of desires(7th house) and every

planet(except moksha karaka

Ketu) gives 7th house aspect! The retrograde

planet will give results

in the area of that house, which is in the 7th

from it. This also

explains, why a retrograde planet acts as

debilitated, when in

exaltation sign and vice-versa.

Generally, retro planets give results very late,

after a lot of

effort! There was an exchange of mails a couple of

weeks ago. Please

have a look at them.

In case of a retro Jupiter, the native may have

lot of desire for

having children and adopt modern methods

(unconventional, which is

not a Jupiterian trait, rather like a Rahu!) to

obtain children. (i

am not judging any one here)

Atmakaraka is a different thing. Car owner

(jeevatma) is going

wherever the driver (mind) is taking. Car itself

is like the lagna,

which the driver is more concerned about, because

here the owner is a

silent spectator! Try to understand retrograde

planets, without

getting into AK, which is like a King's desire,

overrides everything

else.

Hope this helps.

regards

viswanadham

,

"suchitra_kamath"

<suchitra_kamath> wrote:

>

>

>

> Hello Viswanatham,

>

> I want to clarify myself from whatever I

understood from your

> explanation.

> Suppose a person has retrograde Jupiter(house

5) and Mercury(House

> 1/Lagna).However the atmakarak is a NON

retrograde MArs,then should

> the interpretation for desire of atma be

taken as if Jupiter and

> Mercury are also atmakarak other than Mars ?

>

> An atmakarak Jupietr would mean caring for

family.

> An atmakarak Mercury wouldmena trying to

speak truth always.

>

> So is the atma desiring this or has the

desire to do with someother

> thing which would be related to these planets

say knowledge for

> Jupiter ?

>

> Regards

> Suchitra

> ,

"gilimary alvey"

> <lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Vishwanathan,

> > Yes. That is how I understood it

too. Thanks for explaining it

> so well to

> > us all.

> > Love,

> > Gili

> >

> > >"vishwanatham"

<vishwanatham@r...>

> > >

 

> > >

> > >[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

retro planets/past life

> > >Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:42:41

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> > >

> > >

> > >Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > >Dear Gili & others,

> > >

> > >It has been said by Guruji &

others, like Visti, that Retro

> planets

> > >are more like the Nodes.

> > >

> > >The path of Sun & Moon is

followed by planets when they are in

> > >forward motion.

> > >

> > >This also explains why Rahu &

Ketu in Vedic astrology are

*always*

> > >retro.

> > >

> > >While Ketu points to moksha, it is

implied that the birth occured

> > >because moksha did not take place.

It is understandable to most

> that

> > >Rahu is a karmic planet.

> > >

> > >So it is retro planets, which act

like Rahu. It is unfulfilled

> > >desires, which carry us from one

life to another.. it is Rahu

> giving

> > >us a new birth (Varaha avatara

resurrecting the earth, symbolises

> > >rebirth), which is always opposing

Ketu sitting in the 7th house.

> > >

> > >The logic for rebirth, pointing to

the retro planets (apart from

> > >Rahu), is clear i think.

> > >

> > >This is only my loud thinking.

> > >

> > >Thanks & regards

> > >viswanadham

> > >,

"gilimary alvey"

> > ><lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > I heard Sanjay say once that

retro planets are strong desires

> from

> > >past

> > > > life. Perhaps we should

check with him.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Gili

> > > >

> > > > >"Ramapriya

D" <hubli@h...>

> > > > >

 

> > > > >To:

<>

> > > > >Re: [sJC: Achyuta

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> > >Achyuta

> > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde

exalted saturn in 6th House

> > > > >Sun, 24 Oct 2004

19:04:06 +0400

> > > > >

> > > > >Hi there Pratibha,

> > > > >

> > > > >I've heard that too. Kind

of adds up, isn't it? Karmic

desires

> > >might stem

> > > > >from what price there is

yet unpaid, which can mean those

that

> > >curses

> > > > >bestow. Honestly, this

curse-karma-rebirth road is one I

don't

> > >much travel

> > > > >on

> > > > >

> > > > >Cheers,

> > > > >

> > > > >Ramapriya

> > > > >

> > > > > ----- Original

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> > > > > Orchid

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> > > > > Sunday,

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> > > > > Re:

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul]

> Re:

> > >Achyuta

> > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde

exalted saturn in 6th House

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear

Ramapriya,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry to jump

in, but in your reply you said that Retro

> planets

> > >indicate

> > > > >curses of a past life.

Could you elaborate on that. I

remember

> > >reading that

> > > > >retro means, that this

rebirth is due to a storng desire

from

> a

> > >past life,

> > > > >or does that apply only to

a retro AK?

> > > > >

> > > > > Would

appreciate your comments.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Pratibha

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Visti,

 

Namaste.

 

(1) Karaka: is that restricted to naisargika or do we include chara as well?

(2) Do we not see the house where the retro planet is situated to find out the

link with other people? Eg: retro planet in 7th house could mean the spouse

also has similar influence on the 7th house as well (either 7L is retro or

retro planet in 7th house etc).

(3) How far do you to this theory of mapping 1 year to each day the

planet is retrograde after the time of birth? Eg: if a planet is retrograde for

say 100 days after birth, that would mean the retrograde effects last for approx

100 years.

(4) Is it possible that retro planets would give results faster than usual? If

yes, under what conditions?

regards

HariVisti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar

Analyze in 2 steps;

1) Karaka

2) Lordship

 

I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also analyze 5th lord to see whether the

problem is in the area of children. Otherwise see the lordship of Jupiter and

the Karaka’s of the house which Jupiter lords.

 

If both the Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then make your prediction.

Best wishes,

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

 

 

 

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Dear Visti,

 

Namaste. One more question: does the sign in which the retro planet is placed

have any role in deciphering the influence of retrograde?

 

regards

HariHari M <onlyhari > wrote:

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste.

 

(1) Karaka: is that restricted to naisargika or do we include chara as well?

(2) Do we not see the house where the retro planet is situated to find out the

link with other people? Eg: retro planet in 7th house could mean the spouse

also has similar influence on the 7th house as well (either 7L is retro or

retro planet in 7th house etc).

(3) How far do you to this theory of mapping 1 year to each day the

planet is retrograde after the time of birth? Eg: if a planet is retrograde for

say 100 days after birth, that would mean the retrograde effects last for approx

100 years.

(4) Is it possible that retro planets would give results faster than usual? If

yes, under what conditions?

regards

HariVisti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar

Analyze in 2 steps;

1) Karaka

2) Lordship

 

I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also analyze 5th lord to see whether the

problem is in the area of children. Otherwise see the lordship of Jupiter and

the Karaka’s of the house which Jupiter lords.

 

If both the Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then make your prediction.

Best wishes,

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

 

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Dear Hari,

Namaskar

Answers

below.

Best

wishes,

 

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26 October 2004 12:27

 

RE: [sJC: Achyuta

Gurukul] retro planets/past life

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12.0pt">Dear Visti,

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12.0pt">Namaste.

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12.0pt">(1) Karaka: is that restricted to naisargika or do we include chara as

well?

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] When analyzing a Bhäva, we are concerned about

Naisargika Kärakatva. But that doesn’t mean you should not ignore the Chara

Kärakatva – that will show the issue.

bold;font-style:italic">I.e. in Guruji – Sanjay Rath’s chart, the 4th

house is occupied by Rähu causing Kapata Yoga, where one is deceived by others.

Rähu is Darakaraka, so the issues will be money and relationships –

basically everything Lakshmi – and he will be deceived in these matters.

This happened in the Kala Chakra Dasa of Taurus – Gemini, Gemini housing Rähu

and causing the Kapata Yoga.

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12.0pt">(2) Do we not see the house where the retro planet is situated to find

out the link with other people? Eg: retro planet in 7th house could mean the

spouse also has similar influence on the 7th house as well (either 7L is retro

or retro planet in 7th house etc).

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] If I again cite the above example, then why

didn’t Guruji get deceived by his mother? Grahas indicate people and

houses indicate the impact those people have on you. Rähu lords the 12th

house indicating secret enemies, and in Aquarius 5th lord Moon is

placed, which indicates that students or children may scheme against the

person. Karaka for students – Mercury is placed in the 6th house

from Lagna whilst Jupiter is in the Lagna, hence the prediction can be given

that students will perform the cheating.

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12.0pt">(3) How far do you to this theory of mapping 1 year to each

day the planet is retrograde after the time of birth? Eg: if a planet is

retrograde for say 100 days after birth, that would mean the retrograde effects

last for approx 100 years.

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] Saturn, Mars and Jupiter will all be retrograde

for a time period of  4 months at a time, i.e. approx 120 days, which is the

natural lifespan of human beings. Naturally the amount of days before ones

retrograde planet goes direct will be 120 days or less, and hence it would make

sense to attribute this calculation to find when retrograde planets will act

direct in a chart. But what does one do incase of Venus and Mercury?

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12.0pt">(4) Is it possible that retro planets would give results faster than

usual? If yes, under what conditions?

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] Retro planets have a very strong desire to get

things done – hence the actions of a person under the influence of a

retrograde Dasa will be very focused on the goal. In a way you can say it will

be attained faster – but that is a relative question. Usually retrograde

planets tend to give something initially and then take it away later – i.e.

cause denial. Incase of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, he had lagna lord exalted in

the 9th house – showing a person who could have enjoyed an

almost kingly stature. Now does that sound like a man who used his hair to

clean the bathroom floor? Nope it doesn’t – and lagna lord was

indeed retrograde in his chart.

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12.0pt">regards

12.0pt">Hari

Visti Larsen

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Rama Krsna|

Dear

Vishwanatham, Namaskar

Analyze

in 2 steps;

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">1)

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">Karaka

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">2)

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">Lordship

 

I.e. if

Jupiter is retrograde, then also analyze 5th lord to see whether the problem is

in the area of children. Otherwise see the lordship of Jupiter and the

Karakas of the house which Jupiter lords.

 

If both the

Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then make your prediction.

Best wishes,

 

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Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Visti, Namaskar

 

Thanks for your clarification.

 

Somehow, the meaning of the word Dosha eludes me. Could you please

explain that?

 

Thanks & regards

viswanadham

 

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> |Hare Rama Krsna|

>

> Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar

>

> Analyze in 2 steps;

>

> 1) Karaka

>

> 2) Lordship

>

>

>

> I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also analyze 5th lord to see

whether the

> problem is in the area of children. Otherwise see the lordship of

Jupiter

> and the Karaka's of the house which Jupiter lords.

>

>

>

> If both the Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then make your

prediction.

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

>

>

>

> Visti Larsen

> <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

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> vishwanatham [vishwanatham@r...]

> 26 October 2004 05:26

>

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro planets/past life

>

>

>

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Suchitra,

>

> Good question.

>

> Look at the naisargika karakatwa of the planet. In case of Jupiter,

> say children.

>

> Second is look at the 7th from the planet. That is because we are

> talking of desires(7th house) and every planet(except moksha karaka

> Ketu) gives 7th house aspect! The retrograde planet will give

results

> in the area of that house, which is in the 7th from it. This also

> explains, why a retrograde planet acts as debilitated, when in

> exaltation sign and vice-versa.

>

> Generally, retro planets give results very late, after a lot of

> effort! There was an exchange of mails a couple of weeks ago.

Please

> have a look at them.

>

> In case of a retro Jupiter, the native may have lot of desire for

> having children and adopt modern methods (unconventional, which is

> not a Jupiterian trait, rather like a Rahu!) to obtain children. (i

> am not judging any one here)

>

> Atmakaraka is a different thing. Car owner (jeevatma) is going

> wherever the driver (mind) is taking. Car itself is like the lagna,

> which the driver is more concerned about, because here the owner is

a

> silent spectator! Try to understand retrograde planets, without

> getting into AK, which is like a King's desire, overrides

everything

> else.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> regards

> viswanadham

>

>

>

>

> , "suchitra_kamath"

> <suchitra_kamath> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Hello Viswanatham,

> >

> > I want to clarify myself from whatever I understood from your

> > explanation.

> > Suppose a person has retrograde Jupiter(house 5) and Mercury

(House

> > 1/Lagna).However the atmakarak is a NON retrograde MArs,then

should

> > the interpretation for desire of atma be taken as if Jupiter and

> > Mercury are also atmakarak other than Mars ?

> >

> > An atmakarak Jupietr would mean caring for family.

> > An atmakarak Mercury wouldmena trying to speak truth always.

> >

> > So is the atma desiring this or has the desire to do with

someother

> > thing which would be related to these planets say knowledge for

> > Jupiter ?

> >

> > Regards

> > Suchitra

> > , "gilimary alvey"

> > <lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:

> > > Dear Vishwanathan,

> > > Yes. That is how I understood it too. Thanks for explaining

it

> > so well to

> > > us all.

> > > Love,

> > > Gili

> > >

> > > >"vishwanatham" <vishwanatham@r...>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: retro planets/past life

> > > >Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:42:41 -0000

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Hare Rama Krishna

> > > >

> > > >Dear Gili & others,

> > > >

> > > >It has been said by Guruji & others, like Visti, that Retro

> > planets

> > > >are more like the Nodes.

> > > >

> > > >The path of Sun & Moon is followed by planets when they are in

> > > >forward motion.

> > > >

> > > >This also explains why Rahu & Ketu in Vedic astrology are

> *always*

> > > >retro.

> > > >

> > > >While Ketu points to moksha, it is implied that the birth

occured

> > > >because moksha did not take place. It is understandable to

most

> > that

> > > >Rahu is a karmic planet.

> > > >

> > > >So it is retro planets, which act like Rahu. It is unfulfilled

> > > >desires, which carry us from one life to another.. it is Rahu

> > giving

> > > >us a new birth (Varaha avatara resurrecting the earth,

symbolises

> > > >rebirth), which is always opposing Ketu sitting in the 7th

house.

> > > >

> > > >The logic for rebirth, pointing to the retro planets (apart

from

> > > >Rahu), is clear i think.

> > > >

> > > >This is only my loud thinking.

> > > >

> > > >Thanks & regards

> > > >viswanadham

> > > >, "gilimary alvey"

> > > ><lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > I heard Sanjay say once that retro planets are strong

desires

> > from

> > > >past

> > > > > life. Perhaps we should check with him.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Gili

> > > > >

> > > > > >"Ramapriya D" <hubli@h...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > ><>

> > > > > >Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul]

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> > > >Achyuta

> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted saturn in 6th House

> > > > > >Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:04:06 +0400

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Hi there Pratibha,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I've heard that too. Kind of adds up, isn't it? Karmic

> desires

> > > >might stem

> > > > > >from what price there is yet unpaid, which can mean those

> that

> > > >curses

> > > > > >bestow. Honestly, this curse-karma-rebirth road is one I

> don't

> > > >much travel

> > > > > >on

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Cheers,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Ramapriya

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Orchid

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:10 AM

> > > > > > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta

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> > Re:

> > > >Achyuta

> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted saturn in 6th House

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ramapriya,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry to jump in, but in your reply you said that Retro

> > planets

> > > >indicate

> > > > > >curses of a past life. Could you elaborate on that. I

> remember

> > > >reading that

> > > > > >retro means, that this rebirth is due to a storng desire

> from

> > a

> > > >past life,

> > > > > >or does that apply only to a retro AK?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Would appreciate your comments.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > Pratibha

> > > > >

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Namaste Visti,

 

In Guruji's D-60 chart, Saturn is the 7th lord and is placed in the 12th from

D-60 lagna, which again happens to be Gemini, thus establishing a karmic

pattern which can not be ignored. Would not this also indicate problems in the

area of marriage/relationships and associations?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

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Dear Hari, Namaskar

Answers below.

Best wishes,

 

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

 

 

 

Hari M [onlyhari ] 26 October 2004 12:27To:

Subject: RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

 

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste.

 

(1) Karaka: is that restricted to naisargika or do we include chara as well?

[Visti] When analyzing a Bhäva, we are concerned about Naisargika Kärakatva. But

that doesn’t mean you should not ignore the Chara Kärakatva – that will show the

issue.

I.e. in Guruji – Sanjay Rath’s chart, the 4th house is occupied by Rähu causing

Kapata Yoga, where one is deceived by others. Rähu is Darakaraka, so the issues

will be money and relationships – basically everything Lakshmi – and he will be

deceived in these matters. This happened in the Kala Chakra Dasa of Taurus –

Gemini, Gemini housing Rähu and causing the Kapata Yoga.

(2) Do we not see the house where the retro planet is situated to find out the

link with other people? Eg: retro planet in 7th house could mean the spouse

also has similar influence on the 7th house as well (either 7L is retro or

retro planet in 7th house etc).

[Visti] If I again cite the above example, then why didn’t Guruji get deceived

by his mother? Grahas indicate people and houses indicate the impact those

people have on you. Rähu lords the 12th house indicating secret enemies, and in

Aquarius 5th lord Moon is placed, which indicates that students or children may

scheme against the person. Karaka for students – Mercury is placed in the 6th

house from Lagna whilst Jupiter is in the Lagna, hence the prediction can be

given that students will perform the cheating.

(3) How far do you to this theory of mapping 1 year to each day the

planet is retrograde after the time of birth? Eg: if a planet is retrograde for

say 100 days after birth, that would mean the retrograde effects last for approx

100 years.

[Visti] Saturn, Mars and Jupiter will all be retrograde for a time period of 4

months at a time, i.e. approx 120 days, which is the natural lifespan of human

beings. Naturally the amount of days before ones retrograde planet goes direct

will be 120 days or less, and hence it would make sense to attribute this

calculation to find when retrograde planets will act direct in a chart. But

what does one do incase of Venus and Mercury?

(4) Is it possible that retro planets would give results faster than usual? If

yes, under what conditions?

[Visti] Retro planets have a very strong desire to get things done – hence the

actions of a person under the influence of a retrograde Dasa will be very

focused on the goal. In a way you can say it will be attained faster – but that

is a relative question. Usually retrograde planets tend to give something

initially and then take it away later – i.e. cause denial. Incase of

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, he had lagna lord exalted in the 9th house – showing a

person who could have enjoyed an almost kingly stature. Now does that sound like

a man who used his hair to clean the bathroom floor? Nope it doesn’t – and lagna

lord was indeed retrograde in his chart.

IT'">

regards

HariVisti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar

Analyze in 2 steps;

1) Karaka

2) Lordship

 

I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also analyze 5th lord to see whether the

problem is in the area of children. Otherwise see the lordship of Jupiter and

the Karakas of the house which Jupiter lords.

 

If both the Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then make your prediction.

Best wishes,

 

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

 

 

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Dear Visti,

 

Namaste. Thanks for your answers. My questions in response to your answers.

 

Ans1: I thought the discussion was restricted to the 5 planets which could be

retrograde (ie., Me to Sa) excluding Su & Mo which are always direct and Ra &

Ke which are always retrograde. So when you cite Guruji's example, are you

saying essentially that Guruji got cheated because the malefic in 4th house

causing the Kapata yoga is retrograde? Secondly, why did you pick Kalachakra

Dasa to illustrate this point? Are you hinting that the manifestation of the

effects of retrograde planets dont depend on the power of the luminaries? Why

not Narayana Dasa?

 

Ans2: Cheating need not necessarily be by mother...it could indicate some

connection with his family as well.

 

Ans3: Agreed. So on the basis of this, one could say that the retrograde effects

of Ve and Me are more dominant in the chart?

 

Ans4: Thats an interesting observation. Retrograde planets have high chesta bala

and so they force people to make more efforts in the particular areas indicated

by the analysis. This, by definition, would happen when results are not exactly

forthcoming in these areas, forcing the person to work harder. The example you

cited may hint at ways to overcome the retrograde forces that keep bringing you

back to Bhuloka but this is only speculation on my part as it is not possible to

understand completely how self-realized people like Ramakrishna operate.

And now, I just want to understand practically the implications of what you gave

taking my case as an example. I have Saturn ® in 7th house of Ta so that would

be:

 

(a) Karaka: Sa is karaka for servants, longevity & health troubles, losses etc. It is MK

(b) Lordship: 3rd & 4th lord...analyse 3rd and 4th house...3rd house has got Ma

& Ra, first class malefic situation so can we predict health issues with 3rd

house matters?

 

Saturn in 7th gets digbala so I think that my mother plays a crucial role in

resolving these health problems of 3rd house matters. Have I got it right?

 

regards

Hari

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Hari, Namaskar

Answers below.

Best wishes,

 

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

 

 

 

Hari M [onlyhari ] 26 October 2004 12:27To:

Subject: RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

 

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste.

 

(1) Karaka: is that restricted to naisargika or do we include chara as well?

[Visti] When analyzing a Bhäva, we are concerned about Naisargika Kärakatva. But

that doesn’t mean you should not ignore the Chara Kärakatva – that will show the

issue.

I.e. in Guruji – Sanjay Rath’s chart, the 4th house is occupied by Rähu causing

Kapata Yoga, where one is deceived by others. Rähu is Darakaraka, so the issues

will be money and relationships – basically everything Lakshmi – and he will be

deceived in these matters. This happened in the Kala Chakra Dasa of Taurus –

Gemini, Gemini housing Rähu and causing the Kapata Yoga.

(2) Do we not see the house where the retro planet is situated to find out the

link with other people? Eg: retro planet in 7th house could mean the spouse

also has similar influence on the 7th house as well (either 7L is retro or

retro planet in 7th house etc).

[Visti] If I again cite the above example, then why didn’t Guruji get deceived

by his mother? Grahas indicate people and houses indicate the impact those

people have on you. Rähu lords the 12th house indicating secret enemies, and in

Aquarius 5th lord Moon is placed, which indicates that students or children may

scheme against the person. Karaka for students – Mercury is placed in the 6th

house from Lagna whilst Jupiter is in the Lagna, hence the prediction can be

given that students will perform the cheating.

(3) How far do you to this theory of mapping 1 year to each day the

planet is retrograde after the time of birth? Eg: if a planet is retrograde for

say 100 days after birth, that would mean the retrograde effects last for approx

100 years.

[Visti] Saturn, Mars and Jupiter will all be retrograde for a time period of 4

months at a time, i.e. approx 120 days, which is the natural lifespan of human

beings. Naturally the amount of days before ones retrograde planet goes direct

will be 120 days or less, and hence it would make sense to attribute this

calculation to find when retrograde planets will act direct in a chart. But

what does one do incase of Venus and Mercury?

(4) Is it possible that retro planets would give results faster than usual? If

yes, under what conditions?

[Visti] Retro planets have a very strong desire to get things done – hence the

actions of a person under the influence of a retrograde Dasa will be very

focused on the goal. In a way you can say it will be attained faster – but that

is a relative question. Usually retrograde planets tend to give something

initially and then take it away later – i.e. cause denial. Incase of

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, he had lagna lord exalted in the 9th house – showing a

person who could have enjoyed an almost kingly stature. Now does that sound like

a man who used his hair to clean the bathroom floor? Nope it doesn’t – and lagna

lord was indeed retrograde in his chart.

IT'">

regards

HariVisti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar

Analyze in 2 steps;

1) Karaka

2) Lordship

 

I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also analyze 5th lord to see whether the

problem is in the area of children. Otherwise see the lordship of Jupiter and

the Karakas of the house which Jupiter lords.

 

If both the Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then make your prediction.

Best wishes,

 

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

 

 

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Namaste Viswanatham garu,

 

I do think chara karakatwa of the retro-planet is important. In my previous mail

to Visti, I had commented on Guruji's retro-saturn, who is AK as well. AK

represents Satya and as 7th lord (satya-peetha) in previous birth (D-60),

Saturn ® in Guruji's chart indicates problems related to his

"other-half"/marriage. Saturn's dispositor Mercury is placed in Libra in D-60,

and I think Guruji's UL (if we take Rahu as the lord of Aqarius) is also Libra,

which is also the ascendant of his spouse.

 

At the same time, Saturn is also the 8th lord in Guruji's D-60, indicating that

his problems could have arisen because of his saadhana and his intense

involvement with Jyotish, which for him defines both Satya and Self.

 

Anyway, it is my feeling and let us wait for Visti's response. I am sure it

would be worth waiting for!

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

vishwanatham <vishwanatham (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Hare Rama KrishnaNamaste Lakshmi garu,Yes, i think so. As Pt Rath said at Nagpur

conference, chrakaraka's represent the different dimensions of our atma.Perhaps,

they are the subtle influences, which cause the external manifestation, so much

so that, we create the environment around us!(yet another experience for the

jeevatma) Probably, it is the base on which different layers of our existence

is built.Just 'anumana', unfortunately no 'sabda' from

Guru!regardsviswanadham, lakshmi ramesh

<b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste viswanatham garu,>

> Will the chara karakatwa of the retro-planet indicate the purpose of the

rebirth? > > Just a thought.> >

Regards,> Lakshmi> > vishwanatham <vishwanatham@r...> wrote:> > Hare Rama

Krishna> > Dear Kankan,> > We are all here, because of some unfulfilled

desires. Malefic, retro > planets show some strong desires from past birth

(s).> > Also, please read my mail before this.> > regards> viswanadham> > ---

In , "kankan_73" <kankan_73> > wrote:> > > > >

> Dear Sir,> > > > If a persons Lagna Lord and 5th Lord is retrograde, can we

say that > > this person has not completed his desired in the last birth and >

then > > taken this birth to complete the same.> > > > Regards,> > > > > > ---

In , "vishwanatham" > > <vishwanatham@r...> wrote:>

>

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > > > Dear Gili & others,> > > > > > It has been

said by Guruji & others, like Visti, that Retro > planets > > > are more like

the Nodes.> > > > > > The path of Sun & Moon is followed by planets when they

are in > > > forward motion.> > > > > > This also explains why Rahu & Ketu in

Vedic astrology are > *always* > > > retro.> > > > > > While Ketu points to

moksha, it is implied that the birth occured > > > because moksha did not take

place. It is understandable to most > > that > > > Rahu is a karmic planet.> >

> > > > So it is retro planets, which act like Rahu. It is unfulfilled > > >

desires, which carry us from one life to another.. it is Rahu > >

giving > > > us a new birth (Varaha avatara resurrecting the earth, symbolises >

> > rebirth), which is always opposing Ketu sitting in the 7th house.> > > > > >

The logic for rebirth, pointing to the retro planets (apart from > > > Rahu), is

clear i think.> > > > > > This is only my loud thinking. > > > > > > Thanks &

regards> > > viswanadham> > > , "gilimary

alvey" > > > <lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > > I heard Sanjay

say once that retro planets are strong desires > > from > > > past > > > >

life. Perhaps we should check with him.> > > > Love,> > > > Gili> > > > > > >

> >"Ramapriya D"

<hubli@h...>> > > > >> > > > >To:

<>> > > > >Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

Achyuta Gurukul] Re: > > > Achyuta > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted saturn

in 6th House> > > > >Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:04:06 +0400> > > > >> > > > >Hi

there Pratibha,> > > > >> > > > >I've heard that too. Kind of adds up, isn't

it? Karmic desires > > > might stem > > > > >from what price there is yet

unpaid, which can mean those that > > > curses > > > > >bestow. Honestly, this

curse-karma-rebirth road is one I don't > > > much travel > > > > >on > > >

> >> > > > >Cheers,> >

> > >> > > > >Ramapriya> > > > >> > > > > -> > > >

> Orchid> > > > > > > > > > Sent:

Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:10 AM> > > > > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

Re: Achyuta Gurukul] > Re: > > > Achyuta > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted

saturn in 6th House> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Ramapriya,> > > > >> > >

> > Sorry to jump in, but in your reply you said that Retro > > planets > > >

indicate > > > > >curses of a past life. Could you elaborate on that. I remember

> > > reading that > >

> > >retro means, that this rebirth is due to a storng desire from > a > > >

past life, > > > > >or does that apply only to a retro AK?> > > > >> > > > >

Would appreciate your comments.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > > Pratibha>

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Hare Rama Krishna

 

Namaste Lakshmi garu,

 

i have seen Pt Rath's comments on AK being retrograde. You are right

about it.

 

regards

viswanadham

 

, lakshmi ramesh

<b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Viswanatham garu,

>

> I do think chara karakatwa of the retro-planet is important. In my

previous mail to Visti, I had commented on Guruji's retro-saturn, who

is AK as well. AK represents Satya and as 7th lord (satya-peetha) in

previous birth (D-60), Saturn ® in Guruji's chart indicates

problems related to his "other-half"/marriage. Saturn's dispositor

Mercury is placed in Libra in D-60, and I think Guruji's UL (if we

take Rahu as the lord of Aqarius) is also Libra, which is also the

ascendant of his spouse.

>

> At the same time, Saturn is also the 8th lord in Guruji's D-60,

indicating that his problems could have arisen because of his

saadhana and his intense involvement with Jyotish, which for him

defines both Satya and Self.

>

> Anyway, it is my feeling and let us wait for Visti's response. I am

sure it would be worth waiting for!

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

>

>

>

> vishwanatham <vishwanatham@r...> wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Namaste Lakshmi garu,

>

> Yes, i think so. As Pt Rath said at Nagpur conference, chrakaraka's

> represent the different dimensions of our atma.

>

> Perhaps, they are the subtle influences, which cause the external

> manifestation, so much so that, we create the environment around us!

> (yet another experience for the jeevatma) Probably, it is the base

> on which different layers of our existence is built.

>

> Just 'anumana', unfortunately no 'sabda' from Guru!

>

> regards

> viswanadham

>

> , lakshmi ramesh

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste viswanatham garu,

> >

> > Will the chara karakatwa of the retro-planet indicate the purpose

> of the rebirth?

> >

> > Just a thought.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > vishwanatham <vishwanatham@r...> wrote:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > Dear Kankan,

> >

> > We are all here, because of some unfulfilled desires. Malefic,

> retro

> > planets show some strong desires from past birth (s).

> >

> > Also, please read my mail before this.

> >

> > regards

> > viswanadham

> >

> > , "kankan_73" <kankan_73>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > If a persons Lagna Lord and 5th Lord is retrograde, can we say

> that

> > > this person has not completed his desired in the last birth and

> > then

> > > taken this birth to complete the same.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > >

> > > , "vishwanatham"

> > > <vishwanatham@r...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gili & others,

> > > >

> > > > It has been said by Guruji & others, like Visti, that Retro

> > planets

> > > > are more like the Nodes.

> > > >

> > > > The path of Sun & Moon is followed by planets when they are

in

> > > > forward motion.

> > > >

> > > > This also explains why Rahu & Ketu in Vedic astrology are

> > *always*

> > > > retro.

> > > >

> > > > While Ketu points to moksha, it is implied that the birth

> occured

> > > > because moksha did not take place. It is understandable to

most

> > > that

> > > > Rahu is a karmic planet.

> > > >

> > > > So it is retro planets, which act like Rahu. It is

unfulfilled

> > > > desires, which carry us from one life to another.. it is Rahu

> > > giving

> > > > us a new birth (Varaha avatara resurrecting the earth,

> symbolises

> > > > rebirth), which is always opposing Ketu sitting in the 7th

> house.

> > > >

> > > > The logic for rebirth, pointing to the retro planets (apart

> from

> > > > Rahu), is clear i think.

> > > >

> > > > This is only my loud thinking.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & regards

> > > > viswanadham

> > > > , "gilimary alvey"

> > > > <lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > I heard Sanjay say once that retro planets are strong

desires

> > > from

> > > > past

> > > > > life. Perhaps we should check with him.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Gili

> > > > >

> > > > > >"Ramapriya D" <hubli@h...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > ><>

> > > > > >Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul]

Re:

> > > > Achyuta

> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted saturn in 6th House

> > > > > >Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:04:06 +0400

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Hi there Pratibha,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I've heard that too. Kind of adds up, isn't it? Karmic

> desires

> > > > might stem

> > > > > >from what price there is yet unpaid, which can mean those

> that

> > > > curses

> > > > > >bestow. Honestly, this curse-karma-rebirth road is one I

> don't

> > > > much travel

> > > > > >on

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Cheers,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Ramapriya

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Orchid

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:10 AM

> > > > > > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta

Gurukul]

> > Re:

> > > > Achyuta

> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted saturn in 6th House

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ramapriya,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry to jump in, but in your reply you said that Retro

> > > planets

> > > > indicate

> > > > > >curses of a past life. Could you elaborate on that. I

> remember

> > > > reading that

> > > > > >retro means, that this rebirth is due to a storng desire

> from

> > a

> > > > past life,

> > > > > >or does that apply only to a retro AK?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Would appreciate your comments.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > Pratibha

> > > > >

> > > > >

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May I add?.According to the Bhrigu Nandi nadi a planet neednt be retrograde to

yield results of the past life.Let us say 12th house to Mars.it gives

indications about the past life of coborns.12th house of Sun likewise indicates

the past life of the father and so on.

Regards,

jagannathan.Hari M <onlyhari > wrote:

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste. Thanks for your answers. My questions in response to your answers.

 

Ans1: I thought the discussion was restricted to the 5 planets which could be

retrograde (ie., Me to Sa) excluding Su & Mo which are always direct and Ra &

Ke which are always retrograde. So when you cite Guruji's example, are you

saying essentially that Guruji got cheated because the malefic in 4th house

causing the Kapata yoga is retrograde? Secondly, why did you pick Kalachakra

Dasa to illustrate this point? Are you hinting that the manifestation of the

effects of retrograde planets dont depend on the power of the luminaries? Why

not Narayana Dasa?

 

Ans2: Cheating need not necessarily be by mother...it could indicate some

connection with his family as well.

 

Ans3: Agreed. So on the basis of this, one could say that the retrograde effects

of Ve and Me are more dominant in the chart?

 

Ans4: Thats an interesting observation. Retrograde planets have high chesta bala

and so they force people to make more efforts in the particular areas indicated

by the analysis. This, by definition, would happen when results are not exactly

forthcoming in these areas, forcing the person to work harder. The example you

cited may hint at ways to overcome the retrograde forces that keep bringing you

back to Bhuloka but this is only speculation on my part as it is not possible to

understand completely how self-realized people like Ramakrishna operate.

And now, I just want to understand practically the implications of what you gave

taking my case as an example. I have Saturn ® in 7th house of Ta so that would

be:

 

(a) Karaka: Sa is karaka for servants, longevity & health troubles, losses etc. It is MK

(b) Lordship: 3rd & 4th lord...analyse 3rd and 4th house...3rd house has got Ma

& Ra, first class malefic situation so can we predict health issues with 3rd

house matters?

 

Saturn in 7th gets digbala so I think that my mother plays a crucial role in

resolving these health problems of 3rd house matters. Have I got it right?

 

regards

Hari

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

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Dear Hari, Namaskar

Answers below.

Best wishes,

 

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

 

 

 

Hari M [onlyhari ] 26 October 2004 12:27To:

Subject: RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

 

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste.

 

(1) Karaka: is that restricted to naisargika or do we include chara as well?

[Visti] When analyzing a Bhäva, we are concerned about Naisargika Kärakatva. But

that doesn’t mean you should not ignore the Chara Kärakatva – that will show the

issue.

I.e. in Guruji – Sanjay Rath’s chart, the 4th house is occupied by Rähu causing

Kapata Yoga, where one is deceived by others. Rähu is Darakaraka, so the issues

will be money and relationships – basically everything Lakshmi – and he will be

deceived in these matters. This happened in the Kala Chakra Dasa of Taurus –

Gemini, Gemini housing Rähu and causing the Kapata Yoga.

(2) Do we not see the house where the retro planet is situated to find out the

link with other people? Eg: retro planet in 7th house could mean the spouse

also has similar influence on the 7th house as well (either 7L is retro or

retro planet in 7th house etc).

[Visti] If I again cite the above example, then why didn’t Guruji get deceived

by his mother? Grahas indicate people and houses indicate the impact those

people have on you. Rähu lords the 12th house indicating secret enemies, and in

Aquarius 5th lord Moon is placed, which indicates that students or children may

scheme against the person. Karaka for students – Mercury is placed in the 6th

house from Lagna whilst Jupiter is in the Lagna, hence the prediction can be

given that students will perform the cheating.

(3) How far do you to this theory of mapping 1 year to each day the

planet is retrograde after the time of birth? Eg: if a planet is retrograde for

say 100 days after birth, that would mean the retrograde effects last for approx

100 years.

[Visti] Saturn, Mars and Jupiter will all be retrograde for a time period of 4

months at a time, i.e. approx 120 days, which is the natural lifespan of human

beings. Naturally the amount of days before ones retrograde planet goes direct

will be 120 days or less, and hence it would make sense to attribute this

calculation to find when retrograde planets will act direct in a chart. But

what does one do incase of Venus and Mercury?

(4) Is it possible that retro planets would give results faster than usual? If

yes, under what conditions?

[Visti] Retro planets have a very strong desire to get things done – hence the

actions of a person under the influence of a retrograde Dasa will be very

focused on the goal. In a way you can say it will be attained faster – but that

is a relative question. Usually retrograde planets tend to give something

initially and then take it away later – i.e. cause denial. Incase of

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, he had lagna lord exalted in the 9th house – showing a

person who could have enjoyed an almost kingly stature. Now does that sound like

a man who used his hair to clean the bathroom floor? Nope it doesn’t – and lagna

lord was indeed retrograde in his chart.

IT'">

regards

HariVisti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

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Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar

Analyze in 2 steps;

1) Karaka

2) Lordship

 

I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also analyze 5th lord to see whether the

problem is in the area of children. Otherwise see the lordship of Jupiter and

the Karakas of the house which Jupiter lords.

 

If both the Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then make your prediction.

Best wishes,

 

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Dear Lakshmi,

 

Namaste. Sorry to butt in here on an unrelated note..> I think Guruji's UL (if

we take Rahu as the lord of Aqarius) is also Libra..

 

If in Sanjays chart, we compute both the ULs for Aquarius, we end up with UL

(Ra) in Li and UL (Sa) in Sg. Comparing the strength of these two ULs, we find

that the UL in Sg (has Ketu) is stronger than the UL in Li (no planets). Should

we then not expect that UL in Sg has more precedence over the UL in Li?

 

The UL in Sg has Ketu in it, aspected by Ju (rasi dristi) and Ma & Ra (graha &

rasi dristi) while the 2nd from UL has Sa ® in it aspected by Su & Ve (graha

dristi) and Me (rasi dristi). Because of the malefic influences dominating on

the UL, the marriage was not very harmonius and because of the strong benefic

influences on the 2nd from UL, the marriage did not break that easily.

 

When considered along with what you pointed out in Sanjays D-60, Sa ® is not

only the AK but also retrograde suggesting a dual behaviour than what would

normally be expected from the 2nd from UL in own house to the extent that it

would give marriage initially and then deny it (consistent with Visti's

interpretation of retrograde behaviour).

 

OTOH, if we consider UL as Li, then it is aspected by Me & Mo (rasi dristi) and

Ra & Sa (graha dristi) while the second from UL is aspected by Ve, Su & SaR

(rasi dristi) and Ju (graha dristi). So here again the UL has both benefic and

malefic influences while the 2nd from UL has dominating benefic influences thus

making it difficult to decide which one of the two ULs should be considered.

However I feel that the UL in Sg should be considered because it has Ketu in it

and can indicate a sudden, unconventional marriage to promote the lineage

(karakatva of Ke).

 

I invite your comments on this. If I have made any mistakes, apologies in advance.

 

regards

Hari

PS: Interestingly, JHora shows UL as Sg! I always thought it showed UL as Li!!!

 

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Dear Shri Jagannathan,

 

Of course, all planets, whether retrograde or not, are the administrators of the

past karmas to be enjoyed by the residents of Bhuloka. Your point about Brigu

Nandi nadi is very interesting. Should we consider this only in D-60?

 

regards

Harikapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Sir,

May I add?.According to the Bhrigu Nandi nadi a planet neednt be retrograde to

yield results of the past life.Let us say 12th house to Mars.it gives

indications about the past life of coborns.12th house of Sun likewise indicates

the past life of the father and so on.

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jagannathan.Jagannathan .

 

 

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This has reference to rasi cjhart.

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jagannathan.Hari M <onlyhari > wrote:

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

 

Dear Shri Jagannathan,

 

Of course, all planets, whether retrograde or not, are the administrators of the

past karmas to be enjoyed by the residents of Bhuloka. Your point about Brigu

Nandi nadi is very interesting. Should we consider this only in D-60?

 

regards

Harikapisthalam jagannathan <jagannathankr (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Sir,

May I add?.According to the Bhrigu Nandi nadi a planet neednt be retrograde to

yield results of the past life.Let us say 12th house to Mars.it gives

indications about the past life of coborns.12th house of Sun likewise indicates

the past life of the father and so on.

Regards,

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Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Hari,

Hari: If in Sanjays chart, we compute both the ULs for Aquarius, we end up with

UL (Ra) in Li and UL (Sa) in Sg. Comparing the strength of these two ULs, we

find that the UL in Sg (has Ketu) is stronger than the UL in Li (no planets).

Should we then not expect that UL in Sg has more precedence over the UL in Li?

Interestingly, JHora shows UL as Sg! I always thought it showed UL as Li!!!

Lakshmi: Saturn is also the AK, which makes him stronger, so though Rahu is

exalted, I guess Saturn is taken as the lord of kumbha and the UL had been

computed from it. I dimly recall that there was a long discussion in one of the

lists on this.

While there is no doubt that Sagittarius is the stronger UL, I think Rahu as the

darakaraka had swung the decision in favour of Libra. Interestingly, at the time

of Guruji’s marriage, there was a sort of role-reversal and Rahu was transiting

Sagittarius, and Ketu was transiting Gemini. The vimsottari dasa was

Sat-Moon-Merc…all indicative of 12th house and Rahu in Guruji’s chart!

Hari: The UL in Sg has Ketu in it, aspected by Ju (rasi dristi) and Ma & Ra

(graha & rasi dristi) while the 2nd from UL has Sa ® in it aspected by Su &

Ve (graha dristi) and Me (rasi dristi). Because of the malefic influences

dominating on the UL, the marriage was not very harmonius and because of the

strong benefic influences on the 2nd from UL, the marriage did not break that

easily.

Lakshmi: The continuance of marriage could also be because of Venus in the 5th

house, the caring cancer, of love & affection and kids. Cancer is also the A7.

The A7 as well as the UL(s) are all ruled by benefics and have planets known

for dharma posited in them. Both Ketu and Sun are protectors of marriage.

Hari: When considered along with what you pointed out in Sanjays D-60, Sa ® is

not only the AK but also retrograde suggesting a dual behaviour than what would

normally be expected from the 2nd from UL in own house to the extent that it

would give marriage initially and then deny it (consistent with Visti's

interpretation of retrograde behaviour).

Lakshmi: Hari, I never said Saturn gave the marriage. It is Mercury, the D-1

dispositor of Rahu- the DK, the 7th lord from lagna and posited in the 7th from

Moon, and the D-60 dispositor of Saturn, who gave the marriage. It is Mars, the

putrakaraka, the 2nd & 9th lord in marana avastha, which is denying him the

fruits of marriage. Interestingly there was a graha malika involving 6

planets, from Gemini to Virgo, on 29th August, 1991. Debilitated Ketu was the

initiating planet and Mars was the culminating planet!

Hari: OTOH, if we consider UL as Li, then it is aspected by Me & Mo (rasi

dristi) and Ra & Sa (graha dristi) while the second from UL is aspected by Ve,

Su & SaR (rasi dristi) and Ju (graha dristi). So here again the UL has both

benefic and malefic influences while the 2nd from UL has dominating benefic

influences thus making it difficult to decide which one of the two ULs should

be considered. However I feel that the UL in Sg should be considered because it

has Ketu in it and can indicate a sudden, unconventional marriage to promote the

lineage (karakatva of Ke).

Lakshmi: Whether it is Rahu or Ketu /Sag or Libra UL, I think the marriage was

fated to run into troubles. Whoever has heard of a happy, home loving

Dandayudha? It is just not meant to be.

Hari: I invite your comments on this. If I have made any mistakes, apologies in advance.

Lakshmi: That’s my line, friend, you can’t flick it!

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

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Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar.

Try this –

identify the planets in the Rasi which are causing curses.

i.e. in

Guruji’s chart, Jupiter is causing the curse.

Next identify

the malefics which indicate the experience of the curse.

i.e. in

Guruji’s chart, Mars and Saturn are aspecting the Jupiter in Lagna, to

cause the curse.

 

Look at these

planets in the D-60 from Ärüòha Lagna to see what you did to

cause the curse!

i.e. Jupiter

in this case will show what happened to the Brahmin who gave the curse.

Mars and

Saturn’s placement from AL

in the D-60 will indicate what he did to get the curse.

 

See the same

placement from D-60 Lagna to find what he must experience in this life as a

result.

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RE: [sJC: Achyuta

Gurukul] retro planets/past life

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Om Gurave Namah

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12.0pt">Namaste Visti,

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12.0pt">In Guruji's D-60 chart, Saturn is the 7th lord and is placed in the

12th from D-60 lagna, which again happens to be Gemini, thus establishing a

karmic pattern which can not be ignored. Would not this also indicate problems

in the area of marriage/relationships and associations?

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Dear

Hari, Namaskar

Answers

below.

Best

wishes,

 

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RE: [sJC: Achyuta

Gurukul] retro planets/past life

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12.0pt">||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

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12.0pt">Dear Visti,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaste.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">(1) Karaka: is that restricted to naisargika or do we include chara as

well?

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] When analyzing a Bhdva, we are concerned about

Naisargika Kdrakatva. But that doesnt mean you should not ignore the Chara

Kdrakatva that will show the issue.

bold;font-style:italic">I.e. in Guruji Sanjay Raths chart, the 4th

house is occupied by Rdhu causing Kapata Yoga, where one is deceived by others.

Rdhu is Darakaraka, so the issues will be money and relationships basically

everything Lakshmi and he will be deceived in these matters. This

happened in the Kala Chakra Dasa of Taurus Gemini, Gemini housing Rdhu

and causing the Kapata Yoga.

color:navy">

12.0pt">(2) Do we not see the house where the retro planet is situated to find

out the link with other people? Eg: retro planet in 7th house could mean the

spouse also has similar influence on the 7th house as well (either 7L is retro

or retro planet in 7th house etc).

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] If I again cite the above example, then why

didnt Guruji get deceived by his mother? Grahas indicate people and houses

indicate the impact those people have on you. Rdhu lords the 12th

house indicating secret enemies, and in Aquarius 5th lord Moon is

placed, which indicates that students or children may scheme against the

person. Karaka for students Mercury is placed in the 6th house

from Lagna whilst Jupiter is in the Lagna, hence the prediction can be given

that students will perform the cheating.

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12.0pt">(3) How far do you to this theory of mapping 1 year to each

day the planet is retrograde after the time of birth? Eg: if a planet is

retrograde for say 100 days after birth, that would mean the retrograde effects

last for approx 100 years.

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] Saturn, Mars and Jupiter will all be retrograde

for a time period of 4 months at a time, i.e. approx 120 days, which is

the natural lifespan of human beings. Naturally the amount of days before ones

retrograde planet goes direct will be 120 days or less, and hence it would make

sense to attribute this calculation to find when retrograde planets will act

direct in a chart. But what does one do incase of Venus and Mercury?

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">

12.0pt">(4) Is it possible that retro planets would give results faster than

usual? If yes, under what conditions?

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] Retro planets have a very strong desire to get

things done hence the actions of a person under the influence of a

retrograde Dasa will be very focused on the goal. In a way you can say it will

be attained faster but that is a relative question. Usually retrograde

planets tend to give something initially and then take it away later i.e.

cause denial. Incase of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, he had lagna lord exalted in

the 9th house showing a person who could have enjoyed an

almost kingly stature. Now does that sound like a man who used his hair to

clean the bathroom floor? Nope it doesnt and lagna lord was indeed

retrograde in his chart.

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12.0pt">regards

12.0pt">Hari

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Dear

Vishwanatham, Namaskar

Analyze

in 2 steps;

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">1)

color:navy">Karaka

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">2)

color:navy">Lordship

 

I.e. if

Jupiter is retrograde, then also analyze 5th lord to see whether the problem is

in the area of children. Otherwise see the lordship of Jupiter and the

Karakas of the house which Jupiter lords.

 

If both the

Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then make your prediction.

Best wishes,

 

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RE: [sJC: Achyuta

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12.0pt">||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Visti,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaste. Thanks for your answers. My questions in response to your

answers.

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12.0pt">Ans1: I thought the discussion was restricted to the 5 planets which

could be retrograde (ie., Me to Sa) excluding Su & Mo which are always

direct and Ra & Ke which are always retrograde. So when you cite Guruji's

example, are you saying essentially that Guruji got cheated because the malefic

in 4th house causing the Kapata yoga is retrograde? Secondly, why did you pick

Kalachakra Dasa to illustrate this point? Are you hinting that the

manifestation of the effects of retrograde planets dont depend on the power of

the luminaries? Why not Narayana Dasa?

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] The example was cited to question your use of Bhäva’s.

Malefics in the 9th house causes one to do adharma, but that doesn’t

mean that ones father or guru compelled one to do adharma. Kala Chakra Dasa works

quite well with Guruji’s chart – but requires a great deal of accuracy

in the birthtime. Try it out if you have some accurate birthtimes.

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12.0pt">Ans2: Cheating need not necessarily be by mother...it could indicate

some connection with his family as well.

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] Please don’t make any accusations. Point

is that the students were the ones to cause the shock. Now why the students did

this is a separate matter.

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12.0pt">Ans3: Agreed. So on the basis of this, one could say that the

retrograde effects of Ve and Me are more dominant in the chart?

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] No, point is that if we are going to equate 1

day/degree with 1 year for the length of retrogression of Saturn, Mars and

Jupiter, then our definition must change for Venus and Mercury, as they will

not be retrograde for 4 months like the other grahas. Our scale needs to

change.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Ans4: Thats an interesting observation. Retrograde planets have high

chesta bala and so they force people to make more efforts in the particular

areas indicated by the analysis. This, by definition, would happen

when results are not exactly forthcoming in these areas, forcing the

person to work harder. The example you cited may hint at ways to overcome the

retrograde forces that keep bringing you back to Bhuloka but this is only

speculation on my part as it is not possible to understand completely how

self-realized people like Ramakrishna operate.

12.0pt">And now, I just want to understand practically the implications of what

you gave taking my case as an example. I have Saturn ® in 7th house of

Ta so that would be:

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12.0pt">(a) Karaka: Sa is karaka for servants, longevity & health troubles,

losses etc. It is MK

12.0pt">(b) Lordship: 3rd & 4th lord...analyse 3rd and 4th house...3rd

house has got Ma & Ra, first class malefic situation so can we predict

health issues with 3rd house matters?

 

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] Ok, so do you have any younger siblings? Saturn

retrograde also shows a person struggling to become healthy all the time –

check the 8th house which Saturn is Karaka of.

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12.0pt">Saturn in 7th gets digbala so I think that my mother plays a crucial

role in resolving these health problems of 3rd house matters. Have I got it

right?

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bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] Well if we are talking about health, then maybe

the health issues are coming from mothers heritage.

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RE: [sJC: Achyuta

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12.0pt">||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Visti,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaste.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">(1) Karaka: is that restricted to naisargika or do we include chara as

well?

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] When analyzing a Bhdva, we are concerned about

Naisargika Kdrakatva. But that doesnt mean you should not ignore the Chara

Kdrakatva  that will show the issue.

bold;font-style:italic">I.e. in Guruji  Sanjay Raths chart, the 4th

house is occupied by Rdhu causing Kapata Yoga, where one is deceived by others.

Rdhu is Darakaraka, so the issues will be money and relationships  basically

everything Lakshmi  and he will be deceived in these matters. This happened in

the Kala Chakra Dasa of Taurus  Gemini, Gemini housing Rdhu and causing the

Kapata Yoga.

12.0pt">(2) Do we not see the house where the retro planet is situated to find

out the link with other people? Eg: retro planet in 7th house could mean the

spouse also has similar influence on the 7th house as well (either 7L is retro

or retro planet in 7th house etc).

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] If I again cite the above example, then why

didnt Guruji get deceived by his mother? Grahas indicate people and houses

indicate the impact those people have on you. Rdhu lords the 12th

house indicating secret enemies, and in Aquarius 5th lord Moon is

placed, which indicates that students or children may scheme against the

person. Karaka for students  Mercury is placed in the 6th house from

Lagna whilst Jupiter is in the Lagna, hence the prediction can be given that

students will perform the cheating.

"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">

12.0pt">(3) How far do you to this theory of mapping 1 year to each

day the planet is retrograde after the time of birth? Eg: if a planet is

retrograde for say 100 days after birth, that would mean the retrograde effects

last for approx 100 years.

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] Saturn, Mars and Jupiter will all be retrograde

for a time period of 4 months at a time, i.e. approx 120 days, which is

the natural lifespan of human beings. Naturally the amount of days before ones

retrograde planet goes direct will be 120 days or less, and hence it would make

sense to attribute this calculation to find when retrograde planets will act

direct in a chart. But what does one do incase of Venus and Mercury?

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">

12.0pt">(4) Is it possible that retro planets would give results faster than

usual? If yes, under what conditions?

bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] Retro planets have a very strong desire to get

things done  hence the actions of a person under the influence of a retrograde

Dasa will be very focused on the goal. In a way you can say it will be attained

faster  but that is a relative question. Usually retrograde planets tend to

give something initially and then take it away later  i.e. cause denial. Incase

of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, he had lagna lord exalted in the 9th

house  showing a person who could have enjoyed an almost kingly stature. Now

does that sound like a man who used his hair to clean the bathroom floor? Nope

it doesnt  and lagna lord was indeed retrograde in his chart.

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">

12.0pt">regards

12.0pt">Hari

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Analyze

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I am nor sure I understood you properly- for ex- the RULE is that Ju is always

retrograde when in TRINE with the Sun which is highly desirable/beneficial

case- if exact, or almost so, it will be conj. in Nav. So, where/and why/ is

negative conotation coming from- as I have perceived- please clarify.Regards,

A.

 

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote:> |Hare

Rama Krsna|> > Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar> > Analyze in 2 steps;> > 1)

Karaka> > 2) Lordship> > > > I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also

analyze 5th lord to see whether the> problem is in the area of children.

Otherwise see the lordship of Jupiter> and the Karaka's of the house which

Jupiter lords.> > > > If both the Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then

make your prediction.> > Best wishes,> > > > > > Visti Larsen>

<visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > _____ >

> vishwanatham [vishwanatham@r...] > 26 October 2004 05:26>

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Suchitra,> > Good

question.> > Look at the naisargika karakatwa of the planet. In case of

Jupiter, > say children. > > Second is look at the 7th from the planet. That is

because we are > talking of desires(7th house) and every planet(except moksha

karaka > Ketu) gives 7th house aspect! The retrograde planet will give results

> in the area of that house, which is in the 7th from it. This also > explains,

why a retrograde planet acts as debilitated, when in > exaltation sign and

vice-versa.> > Generally, retro planets give results very late, after a lot of

> effort! There was an exchange of mails

a couple of weeks ago. Please > have a look at them.> > In case of a retro

Jupiter, the native may have lot of desire for > having children and adopt

modern methods (unconventional, which is > not a Jupiterian trait, rather like

a Rahu!) to obtain children. (i > am not judging any one here)> > Atmakaraka is

a different thing. Car owner (jeevatma) is going > wherever the driver (mind) is

taking. Car itself is like the lagna, > which the driver is more concerned

about, because here the owner is a > silent spectator! Try to understand

retrograde planets, without > getting into AK, which is like a King's desire,

overrides everything > else.> > Hope this helps.> > regards> viswanadham> > > >

> , "suchitra_kamath" >

<suchitra_kamath> wrote:> > > >

> > > > Hello Viswanatham,> > > > I want to clarify myself from whatever I

understood from your > > explanation.> > Suppose a person has retrograde

Jupiter(house 5) and Mercury(House > > 1/Lagna).However the atmakarak is a NON

retrograde MArs,then should > > the interpretation for desire of atma be taken

as if Jupiter and > > Mercury are also atmakarak other than Mars ?> > > > An

atmakarak Jupietr would mean caring for family.> > An atmakarak Mercury

wouldmena trying to speak truth always.> > > > So is the atma desiring this or

has the desire to do with someother > > thing which would be related to these

planets say knowledge for > > Jupiter ?> > > > Regards> > Suchitra> > --- In

, "gilimary alvey" > > <lopamudraxxx@h...>

wrote:> > > Dear Vishwanathan,> > > Yes. That is how I understood it too.

Thanks for explaining it > > so well to > > > us all.> > > Love,> > > Gili> > >

> > > >"vishwanatham" <vishwanatham@r...>> > > >

> > > >> > >

>[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: retro planets/past life> > > >Mon,

25 Oct 2004 05:42:41 -0000> > > >> > > >> > > >Hare Rama Krishna> > > >> > >

>Dear Gili & others,> > > >> > > >It has been said by Guruji & others, like

Visti, that Retro > > planets> > > >are more like the Nodes.> > > >> > > >The

path of Sun & Moon is

followed by planets when they are in> > > >forward motion.> > > >> > > >This

also explains why Rahu & Ketu in Vedic astrology are > *always*> > > >retro.> >

> >> > > >While Ketu points to moksha, it is implied that the birth occured> > >

>because moksha did not take place. It is understandable to most > > that> > >

>Rahu is a karmic planet.> > > >> > > >So it is retro planets, which act like

Rahu. It is unfulfilled> > > >desires, which carry us from one life to

another.. it is Rahu > > giving> > > >us a new birth (Varaha avatara

resurrecting the earth, symbolises> > > >rebirth), which is always opposing

Ketu sitting in the 7th house.> > > >> > > >The logic for rebirth, pointing to

the retro planets

(apart from> > > >Rahu), is clear i think.> > > >> > > >This is only my loud

thinking.> > > >> > > >Thanks & regards> > > >viswanadham> > > >--- In

, "gilimary alvey"> > > ><lopamudraxxx@h...>

wrote:> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > I heard Sanjay say once that retro planets

are strong desires > > from> > > >past> > > > > life. Perhaps we should check

with him.> > > > > Love,> > > > > Gili> > > > >> > > > > >"Ramapriya D"

<hubli@h...>> > > > > >> > > > > >To:

<>> > > > > >Re: [sJC: Achyuta

Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:> > > >Achyuta> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde

exalted saturn in 6th House> > > > > >Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:04:06 +0400> >

> > > >> > > > > >Hi there Pratibha,> > > > > >> > > > > >I've heard that too.

Kind of adds up, isn't it? Karmic > desires> > > >might stem> > > > > >from

what price there is yet unpaid, which can mean those > that> > > >curses> > > >

> >bestow. Honestly, this curse-karma-rebirth road is one I > don't> > > >much

travel> > > > > >on > > > > > >> > > > > >Cheers,> > > > > >> > > > >

>Ramapriya> > > > > >> > > > >

> -> > > > > > Orchid> > > > > > To:

> > > > > > Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:10

AM> > > > > > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] > >

Re:> > > >Achyuta> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted saturn in 6th House> >

> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Ramapriya,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sorry

to jump in, but in your reply you said that Retro > > planets> > > >indicate> >

> > > >curses of a past life. Could you elaborate on that. I > remember> > >

>reading that> > > > > >retro means,

that this rebirth is due to a storng desire > from > > a> > > >past life,> > > >

> >or does that apply only to a retro AK?> > > > > >> > > > > > Would

appreciate your comments.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > >

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When the Sun

is exactly 120 degrees in front of Jupiter, then Jupiter will turn retrograde. This

will continue until the Sun is exactly 240 degrees away from Jupiter, after

which Jupiter will turn direct. Same applies to Mars and Saturn.

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Re: [sJC: Achyuta

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12.0pt">Dear Visti,

12.0pt">I am nor sure I understood you properly- for ex- the RULE is that Ju is

always retrograde when in TRINE with the Sun which is highly

desirable/beneficial case- if exact, or almost so, it will be conj. in Nav. So,

where/and why/ is negative conotation coming from- as I have perceived-

please clarify.

Regards,

12.0pt">A.

12.0pt">

---

In , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> |Hare Rama Krsna|

>

> Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar

>

> Analyze in 2 steps;

>

> 1) Karaka

>

> 2)

Lordship

>

>

>

> I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also

analyze 5th lord to see

whether the

> problem is in the area of children. Otherwise

see the lordship of

Jupiter

> and the Karaka's of the house which Jupiter

lords.

>

>

>

> If both the Karaka and the lordship have a

dosha, then make your

prediction.

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

>

>

>

> Visti Larsen

> <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> vishwanatham [vishwanatham@r...]

> 26 October 2004 05:26

>

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

>

>

>

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Suchitra,

>

> Good question.

>

> Look at the naisargika karakatwa of the

planet. In case of Jupiter,

> say children.

>

> Second is look at the 7th from the planet.

That is because we are

> talking of desires(7th house) and every

planet(except moksha karaka

> Ketu) gives 7th house aspect! The retrograde

planet will give

results

> in the area of that house, which is in the

7th from it. This also

> explains, why a retrograde planet acts as

debilitated, when in

> exaltation sign and vice-versa.

>

> Generally, retro planets give results very

late, after a lot of

> effort! There was an exchange of mails a

couple of weeks ago.

Please

> have a look at them.

>

> In case of a retro Jupiter, the native may

have lot of desire for

> having children and adopt modern methods

(unconventional, which is

> not a Jupiterian trait, rather like a Rahu!)

to obtain children. (i

> am not judging any one here)

>

> Atmakaraka is a different thing. Car owner

(jeevatma) is going

> wherever the driver (mind) is taking. Car

itself is like the lagna,

> which the driver is more concerned about,

because here the owner is

a

> silent spectator! Try to understand

retrograde planets, without

> getting into AK, which is like a King's

desire, overrides

everything

> else.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> regards

> viswanadham

>

>

>

>

> ,

"suchitra_kamath"

> <suchitra_kamath> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Hello Viswanatham,

> >

> > I want to clarify myself from whatever I

understood from your

> > explanation.

> > Suppose a person has retrograde

Jupiter(house 5) and Mercury

(House

> > 1/Lagna).However the atmakarak is a NON

retrograde MArs,then

should

> > the interpretation for desire of atma be

taken as if Jupiter and

> > Mercury are also atmakarak other than

Mars ?

> >

> > An atmakarak Jupietr would mean caring

for family.

> > An atmakarak Mercury wouldmena trying to

speak truth always.

> >

> > So is the atma desiring this or has the

desire to do with

someother

> > thing which would be related to these

planets say knowledge for

> > Jupiter ?

> >

> > Regards

> > Suchitra

> > ,

"gilimary alvey"

> > <lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:

> > > Dear Vishwanathan,

> > > Yes. That is how I understood

it too. Thanks for explaining

it

> > so well to

> > > us all.

> > > Love,

> > > Gili

> > >

> > > >"vishwanatham"

<vishwanatham@r...>

> > > >

 

> > > >To:

 

> > > >[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

Re: retro planets/past life

> > > >Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:42:41

-0000

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Hare Rama Krishna

> > > >

> > > >Dear Gili & others,

> > > >

> > > >It has been said by Guruji

& others, like Visti, that Retro

> > planets

> > > >are more like the Nodes.

> > > >

> > > >The path of Sun & Moon is

followed by planets when they are in

> > > >forward motion.

> > > >

> > > >This also explains why Rahu

& Ketu in Vedic astrology are

> *always*

> > > >retro.

> > > >

> > > >While Ketu points to moksha, it

is implied that the birth

occured

> > > >because moksha did not take

place. It is understandable to

most

> > that

> > > >Rahu is a karmic planet.

> > > >

> > > >So it is retro planets, which

act like Rahu. It is unfulfilled

> > > >desires, which carry us from

one life to another.. it is Rahu

> > giving

> > > >us a new birth (Varaha avatara

resurrecting the earth,

symbolises

> > > >rebirth), which is always

opposing Ketu sitting in the 7th

house.

> > > >

> > > >The logic for rebirth, pointing

to the retro planets (apart

from

> > > >Rahu), is clear i think.

> > > >

> > > >This is only my loud thinking.

> > > >

> > > >Thanks & regards

> > > >viswanadham

> > > >--- In

, "gilimary alvey"

> > > ><lopamudraxxx@h...>

wrote:

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > I heard Sanjay say once

that retro planets are strong

desires

> > from

> > > >past

> > > > > life. Perhaps we

should check with him.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Gili

> > > > >

> > > > > >"Ramapriya

D" <hubli@h...>

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >To:

<>

> > > > > >Re: [sJC:

Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul]

Re:

> > > >Achyuta

> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde

exalted saturn in 6th House

> > > > > >Sun, 24 Oct

2004 19:04:06 +0400

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Hi there Pratibha,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I've heard that too.

Kind of adds up, isn't it? Karmic

> desires

> > > >might stem

> > > > > >from what price there

is yet unpaid, which can mean those

> that

> > > >curses

> > > > > >bestow. Honestly,

this curse-karma-rebirth road is one I

> don't

> > > >much travel

> > > > > >on

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Cheers,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Ramapriya

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -----

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> > Re:

> > > >Achyuta

> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde

exalted saturn in 6th House

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear

Ramapriya,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry to

jump in, but in your reply you said that Retro

> > planets

> > > >indicate

> > > > > >curses of a past

life. Could you elaborate on that. I

> remember

> > > >reading that

> > > > > >retro means, that

this rebirth is due to a storng desire

> from

> > a

> > > >past life,

> > > > > >or does that apply

only to a retro AK?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Would

appreciate your comments.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > Pratibha

> > > > >

> > > > >

> >

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You just elaborated around my statement-yes, that's so, these are facts- not an

issue- but you didn't respond to my question- would you please read the whole

message and respond to the Q?

 

I copied Q in italic, to make it easier for you, Sir: "..the RULE is that Ju is

always retrograde when in TRINE with the Sun which is highly

desirable/beneficial case /IS IT NOT?/- if exact, or almost so, it will be

conj. in Nav. So, where/and why/ is negative conotation coming from- as I have

perceived /from your message/- please clarify.'..To remind you- it was about

JuR you wrote

 

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AnnaVisti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear A, Namaskar

When the Sun is exactly 120 degrees in front of Jupiter, then Jupiter will turn

retrograde. This will continue until the Sun is exactly 240 degrees away from

Jupiter, after which Jupiter will turn direct. Same applies to Mars and Saturn.

Best wishes,

 

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A.R. [bonamente108 ] 28 October 2004 00:29To:

Subject: Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

 

Dear Visti,

I am nor sure I understood you properly- for ex- the RULE is that Ju is always

retrograde when in TRINE with the Sun which is highly desirable/beneficial

case- if exact, or almost so, it will be conj. in Nav. So, where/and why/ is

negative conotation coming from- as I have perceived- please clarify.Regards,

A.

 

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote:> |Hare

Rama Krsna|> > Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar> > Analyze in 2 steps;> > 1)

Karaka> >

2) Lordship> > > > I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also analyze 5th

lord to see whether the> problem is in the area of children. Otherwise see the

lordship of Jupiter> and the Karaka's of the house which Jupiter lords.> > > >

If both the Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then make your prediction.> >

Best wishes,> > > > > > Visti Larsen> <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > >

> > > > _____ >

> vishwanatham [vishwanatham@r...] > 26 October 2004 05:26>

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Suchitra,> > Good

question.> > Look at the naisargika karakatwa of the planet. In case of Jupiter,

> say children. > > Second is look at the 7th from the planet. That is because

we are > talking of desires(7th house) and every planet(except moksha karaka >

Ketu) gives 7th house aspect! The retrograde planet will give results > in the

area of that house, which is in the 7th from it. This also > explains, why a

retrograde planet acts as debilitated, when in > exaltation sign and

vice-versa.> > Generally, retro planets give results very late, after a lot of >

effort! There was an exchange of mails a couple of weeks ago. Please > have a

look at them.> > In case of a retro Jupiter, the native may have lot of desire

for > having children and adopt modern methods (unconventional, which is > not

a Jupiterian trait, rather like a Rahu!) to obtain children. (i > am not

judging any one here)> >

Atmakaraka is a different thing. Car owner (jeevatma) is going > wherever the

driver (mind) is taking. Car itself is like the lagna, > which the driver is

more concerned about, because here the owner is a > silent spectator! Try to

understand retrograde planets, without > getting into AK, which is like a

King's desire, overrides everything > else.> > Hope this helps.> > regards>

viswanadham> > > > > , "suchitra_kamath" >

<suchitra_kamath> wrote:> > > > > > > > Hello Viswanatham,> > > > I want

to clarify myself from whatever I understood from your > > explanation.> >

Suppose a person has retrograde Jupiter(house 5) and Mercury

New">(House > > 1/Lagna).However the atmakarak is a NON retrograde MArs,then

should > > the interpretation for desire of atma be taken as if Jupiter and > >

Mercury are also atmakarak other than Mars ?> > > > An atmakarak Jupietr would

mean caring for family.> > An atmakarak Mercury wouldmena trying to speak truth

always.> > > > So is the atma desiring this or has the desire to do with

someother > > thing which would be related to these planets

say knowledge for > > Jupiter ?> > > > Regards> > Suchitra> > --- In

, "gilimary alvey" > > <lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:>

> > Dear Vishwanathan,> > > Yes. That is how I understood it too. Thanks for

explaining it > > so well to > > > us all.> > > Love,> > >

Gili> > > > > > >"vishwanatham" <vishwanatham@r...>> > > >

> > > >> > >

>[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: retro planets/past life> > > >Mon,

25 Oct 2004 05:42:41 -0000> > > >> > > >> > > >Hare Rama Krishna> > > >> > >

>Dear Gili &

others,> > > >> > > >It has been said by Guruji & others, like Visti, that Retro

> > planets> > > >are more like the Nodes.> > > >> > > >The path of Sun & Moon

is followed by planets when they are in> > > >forward motion.> > > >> > > >This

also explains why Rahu & Ketu in Vedic astrology are > *always*> > > >retro.> >

> >> > > >While Ketu points to moksha, it is implied that the birth occured> > >

>because moksha did not take place. It is understandable to most > > that> > >

>Rahu is a karmic planet.> > > >> > > >So it is retro planets, which act like

Rahu. It is unfulfilled> > > >desires, which carry us from one life to

another.. it is Rahu > > giving> > > >us a new birth (Varaha avatara

resurrecting the

earth, symbolises> > > >rebirth), which is always opposing Ketu sitting in the

7th house.> > > >> > > >The logic for rebirth, pointing to the retro planets

(apart from> > > >Rahu), is clear i think.> > > >> > > >This is only my loud

thinking.> > > >> > > >Thanks & regards> > > >viswanadham> >

> >, "gilimary alvey"> > >

><lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > I heard Sanjay say once

that retro planets are strong desires > > from> > > >past> > > > > life.

Perhaps we should check with him.> > > > > Love,> > > > > Gili> > > > >> > > >

> >"Ramapriya D"

<hubli@h...>> > > > > >> > > > > >To:

<>> > > > > >Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:> > > >Achyuta> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted

saturn in 6th House> > > > > >Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:04:06 +0400> > > > > >>

> > > > >Hi there Pratibha,> > > > > >> > > > > >I've heard that too. Kind of

adds up, isn't it? Karmic > desires> > > >might stem> > > > > >from what price

there is yet unpaid, which can mean those > that> > > >curses> > > > > >bestow.

Honestly, this curse-karma-rebirth road is one I > don't> > > >much travel> > >

> > >on > > > > > >> > > > >

>Cheers,> > > > > >> > > > > >Ramapriya> > > > > >> > > > > > ----- Original

Message -----> > > > > > Orchid> > > > > > To:

> > > > > > Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:10

AM> > > > > > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] > >

Re:>

> > >Achyuta> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted saturn in 6th House> > > > >

>> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Ramapriya,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sorry to jump

in, but in your reply you said that Retro > > planets> > > >indicate> > > > >

>curses of a past life. Could you elaborate on that. I > remember> > >

>reading that> > > > > >retro means, that this rebirth is due to a storng desire

> from > > a> > > >past life,> > > > > >or does that apply only to a retro AK?>

> > > > >> > > > > > Would appreciate your comments.> > > > > >> > > > > >

Thanks,> > > > > > Pratibha> > > > >> > > > > > >

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Dear Visti,

You just elaborated around my statement-yes, that's so, these are facts- not an

issue- but you didn't respond to my question- would you please read the whole

message and respond to the Q?

 

I copied Q in italic, to make it easier for you, Sir: "..the RULE is that Ju is

always retrograde when in TRINE with the Sun which is highly

desirable/beneficial case /IS IT NOT?/- if exact, or almost so, it will be

conj. in Nav. So, where/and why/ is negative conotation coming from- as I have

perceived /from your message/- please clarify.'..To remind you- it was about

JuR you wrote

 

Thanks,

AnnaVisti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear A, Namaskar

When the Sun is exactly 120 degrees in front of Jupiter, then Jupiter will turn

retrograde. This will continue until the Sun is exactly 240 degrees away from

Jupiter, after which Jupiter will turn direct. Same applies to Mars and Saturn.

Best wishes,

 

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

 

 

 

A.R. [bonamente108 ] 28 October 2004 00:29To:

Subject: Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

 

Dear Visti,

I am nor sure I understood you properly- for ex- the RULE is that Ju is always

retrograde when in TRINE with the Sun which is highly desirable/beneficial

case- if exact, or almost so, it will be conj. in Nav. So, where/and why/ is

negative conotation coming from- as I have perceived- please clarify.Regards,

A.

 

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote:> |Hare

Rama Krsna|> > Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar> > Analyze in 2 steps;> > 1)

Karaka> >

2) Lordship> > > > I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also analyze 5th

lord to see whether the> problem is in the area of children. Otherwise see the

lordship of Jupiter> and the Karaka's of the house which Jupiter lords.> > > >

If both the Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then make your prediction.> >

Best wishes,> > > > > > Visti Larsen> <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > >

> > > > _____ >

> vishwanatham [vishwanatham@r...] > 26 October 2004 05:26>

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Suchitra,> > Good

question.> > Look at the naisargika karakatwa of the planet. In case of Jupiter,

> say children. > > Second is look at the 7th from the planet. That is because

we are > talking of desires(7th house) and every planet(except moksha karaka >

Ketu) gives 7th house aspect! The retrograde planet will give results > in the

area of that house, which is in the 7th from it. This also > explains, why a

retrograde planet acts as debilitated, when in > exaltation sign and

vice-versa.> > Generally, retro planets give results very late, after a lot of >

effort! There was an exchange of mails a couple of weeks ago. Please > have a

look at them.> > In case of a retro Jupiter, the native may have lot of desire

for > having children and adopt modern methods (unconventional, which is > not

a Jupiterian trait, rather like a Rahu!) to obtain children. (i > am not

judging any one here)> >

Atmakaraka is a different thing. Car owner (jeevatma) is going > wherever the

driver (mind) is taking. Car itself is like the lagna, > which the driver is

more concerned about, because here the owner is a > silent spectator! Try to

understand retrograde planets, without > getting into AK, which is like a

King's desire, overrides everything > else.> > Hope this helps.> > regards>

viswanadham> > > > > , "suchitra_kamath" >

<suchitra_kamath> wrote:> > > > > > > > Hello Viswanatham,> > > > I want

to clarify myself from whatever I understood from your > > explanation.> >

Suppose a person has retrograde Jupiter(house 5) and Mercury(House > >

1/Lagna).However the atmakarak is a NON retrograde MArs,then should > > the

interpretation for desire of atma be taken as if Jupiter and > > Mercury are

also atmakarak other than Mars ?> > > > An atmakarak Jupietr would mean caring

for family.> > An atmakarak Mercury wouldmena trying to speak truth always.> >

> > So is the atma desiring this or has the desire to do with someother > >

thing which would be

related to these planets say knowledge for > > Jupiter ?> > > > Regards> >

Suchitra> > , "gilimary alvey" > >

<lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:> > > Dear Vishwanathan,> > > Yes. That is how I

understood it too. Thanks for explaining it > > so well to > > > us all.> > >

Love,> >

> Gili> > > > > > >"vishwanatham" <vishwanatham@r...>> > > >

> > > >> > >

>[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: retro planets/past life> > > >Mon,

25 Oct 2004 05:42:41 -0000> > > >> > > >> > > >Hare Rama Krishna> > > >> > >

>Dear Gili &

others,> > > >> > > >It has been said by Guruji & others, like Visti, that Retro

> > planets> > > >are more like the Nodes.> > > >> > > >The path of Sun & Moon

is followed by planets when they are in> > > >forward motion.> > > >> > > >This

also explains why Rahu & Ketu in Vedic astrology are > *always*> > > >retro.> >

> >> > > >While Ketu points to moksha, it is implied that the birth occured> > >

>because moksha did not take place. It is understandable to most > > that> > >

>Rahu is a karmic planet.> > > >> > > >So it is retro planets, which act like

Rahu. It is unfulfilled> > > >desires, which carry us from one life to

another.. it is Rahu > > giving> > > >us a new birth (Varaha avatara

resurrecting the

earth, symbolises> > > >rebirth), which is always opposing Ketu sitting in the

7th house.> > > >> > > >The logic for rebirth, pointing to the retro planets

(apart from> > > >Rahu), is clear i think.> > > >> > > >This is only my loud

thinking.> > > >> > > >Thanks & regards> > > >viswanadham> >

> >, "gilimary alvey"> > >

><lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > I heard Sanjay say once

that retro planets are strong desires > > from> > > >past> > > > > life.

Perhaps we should check with him.> > > > > Love,> > > > > Gili> > > > >> > > >

> >"Ramapriya D"

<hubli@h...>> > > > > >> > > > > >To:

<>> > > > > >Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:> > > >Achyuta> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted

saturn in 6th House> > > > > >Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:04:06 +0400> > > > > >>

> > > > >Hi there Pratibha,> > > > > >> > > > > >I've heard that too. Kind of

adds up, isn't it? Karmic > desires> > > >might stem> > > > > >from what price

there is yet unpaid, which can mean those > that> > > >curses> > > > > >bestow.

Honestly, this curse-karma-rebirth road is one I > don't> > > >much travel> > >

> > >on > > > > > >> > > > >

>Cheers,> > > > > >> > > > > >Ramapriya> > > > > >> > > > > > ----- Original

Message -----> > > > > > Orchid> > > > > > To:

> > > > > > Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:10

AM> > > > > > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] > >

Re:>

> > >Achyuta> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted saturn in 6th House> > > > >

>> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Ramapriya,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sorry to jump

in, but in your reply you said that Retro > > planets> > > >indicate> > > > >

>curses of a past life. Could you elaborate on that. I > remember> > >

>reading that> > > > > >retro means, that this rebirth is due to a storng desire

> from > > a> > > >past life,> > > > > >or does that apply only to a retro AK?>

> > > > >> > > > > > Would appreciate your comments.> > > > > >> > > > > >

Thanks,> > > > > > Pratibha> > > > >> > > > > > >

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ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more > in > > the> > > >Back

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|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar

Analyze in 2 steps;

1) Karaka

2) Lordship

 

I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also analyze 5th lord to see whether the

problem is in the area of children. Otherwise see the lordship of Jupiter and

the Karaka¡¯s of the house which Jupiter lords.

 

If both the Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then make your prediction.

Best wishes,

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

 

 

 

vishwanatham [vishwanatham (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com] 26 October 2004

05:26Subject: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

 

Hare Rama KrishnaDear Suchitra,Good question.Look at the naisargika karakatwa of

the planet. In case of Jupiter, say children. Second is look at the 7th from the

planet. That is because we are talking of desires(7th house) and every

planet(except moksha karaka Ketu) gives 7th house aspect! The retrograde planet

will give results in the area of that house, which is in the 7th from it. This

also

New">explains, why a retrograde planet acts as debilitated, when in exaltation

sign and vice-versa.Generally, retro planets give results very late, after a

lot of effort! There was an exchange of mails a couple of weeks ago. Please

have a look at them.In case of a retro Jupiter, the native may have lot of

desire for having children and adopt modern methods (unconventional, which is

not a Jupiterian trait, rather like a Rahu!) to obtain children. (i am not

judging any one here)Atmakaraka is a different thing. Car owner (jeevatma) is

going wherever the driver (mind) is taking. Car itself is like the lagna, which

the driver is more concerned about, because here the owner is a silent

spectator! Try to understand retrograde planets, without getting into AK, which

is like a King's desire, overrides everything else.Hope this

helps.regardsviswanadham, "suchitra_kamath"

<suchitra_kamath> wrote:> > >

> Hello Viswanatham,> > I want to clarify myself from whatever I understood from

your > explanation.> Suppose a person has retrograde Jupiter(house 5) and

Mercury(House > 1/Lagna).However the atmakarak is a NON retrograde MArs,then

should > the interpretation for desire of atma be taken as if Jupiter and >

Mercury are also atmakarak other than Mars ?> > An atmakarak Jupietr would mean

caring for family.> An atmakarak Mercury wouldmena trying to speak truth

always.> > So is the atma desiring this or has the desire to do with someother >

thing which would be related to these planets say knowledge for > Jupiter ?> >

Regards> Suchitra> , "gilimary alvey" >

<lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:> > Dear Vishwanathan,> > Yes. That is how I

understood it too. Thanks for explaining it > so well to > > us all.> > Love,>

> Gili> > > > >"vishwanatham" <vishwanatham@r...>> > >

> > >> > >Subject:

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: retro planets/past life> > >Mon, 25 Oct 2004

05:42:41 -0000> > >> > >> > >Hare Rama Krishna>

> >> > >Dear Gili & others,> > >> > >It has been said by Guruji & others, like

Visti, that Retro > planets> > >are more like the Nodes.> > >> > >The path of

Sun & Moon is followed by planets when they are in> > >forward motion.> > >> >

>This also explains why Rahu & Ketu in Vedic astrology are *always*> > >retro.>

> >> > >While Ketu points to moksha, it is implied that the birth occured> >

>because moksha did not take place. It is understandable to most > that> >

>Rahu is a karmic planet.> > >> > >So it is retro planets, which act like Rahu.

It is unfulfilled> > >desires, which carry us from one life to another.. it is

Rahu > giving> > >us a new birth (Varaha avatara resurrecting the earth,

symbolises> > >rebirth), which is always opposing Ketu

sitting in the 7th house.> > >> > >The logic for rebirth, pointing to the retro

planets (apart from> > >Rahu), is clear i think.> > >> > >This is only my loud

thinking.> > >> > >Thanks & regards> > >viswanadham> > >--- In

, "gilimary alvey"> > ><lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:>

> > > Dear All,> > > > I heard

Sanjay say once that retro planets are strong desires > from> > >past> > > >

life. Perhaps we should check with him.> > > > Love,> > > > Gili> > > >> > > >

>"Ramapriya D" <hubli@h...>> > > > >

> > > > ><>> > > >

>Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:> >

>Achyuta> > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted saturn in 6th House> > > > >Date:

Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:04:06 +0400> > > > >> > > > >Hi there Pratibha,> > > > >> >

> > >I've heard that too. Kind of adds up, isn't it? Karmic desires> > >might

stem> > > > >from what price there is yet unpaid, which can mean those that> >

>curses>

> > > >bestow. Honestly, this curse-karma-rebirth road is one I don't> > >much

travel> > > > >on > > > > >> > > > >Cheers,> > > > >> > > > >Ramapriya> > >

> >> > > > > -> > > > > Orchid> > > > >

 

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Retrograde exalted saturn in 6th House> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear

Ramapriya,> > > > >> > > > > Sorry to jump in, but in your reply you said

that Retro > planets

New">> > >indicate> > > > >curses of a past life. Could you elaborate on that. I

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storng desire from > a> > >past life,> > > > >or does that apply only to a

retro AK?> > > > >> > > > > Would appreciate your comments.> > > > >> > > >

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Namaskar.

Forgive me

for being ignorant. Please tell me what are the effects of having Jupiter in a

trine to the sun.

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12.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Visti,

12.0pt">You just elaborated around my statement-yes, that's so, these are

facts- not an issue- but you didn't respond to my question- would you

please read the whole message and respond to the Q?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">I copied Q in italic, to make it easier for you, Sir: "..the RULE is

that Ju is always retrograde when in TRINE

with the Sun which is highly desirable/beneficial case /IS IT NOT?/- if exact,

or almost so, it will be conj. in Nav. So,

where/and why/ is negative conotation coming from- as I have perceived /from

your message/- please clarify.'..

To remind you- it was about JuR you wrote

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Thanks,

12.0pt">Anna

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

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font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">Dear A, Namaskar

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">When the Sun is exactly 120 degrees

in front of Jupiter, then Jupiter will turn retrograde. This will continue

until the Sun is exactly 240 degrees away from Jupiter, after which Jupiter

will turn direct. Same applies to Mars and Saturn.

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Re: [sJC: Achyuta

Gurukul] retro planets/past life

 

Dear Visti,

I am nor sure I

understood you properly- for ex- the RULE is that Ju is always retrograde when

in TRINE with the Sun which is highly desirable/beneficial case- if exact, or

almost so, it will be conj. in Nav. So, where/and why/ is negative

conotation coming from- as I have perceived- please clarify.

Regards,

A.

 

---

In , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> |Hare Rama Krsna|

>

> Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar

>

> Analyze in 2 steps;

>

> 1) Karaka

>

> 2)

Lordship

>

>

>

> I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also

analyze 5th lord to see

whether the

> problem is in the area of children. Otherwise

see the lordship of

Jupiter

> and the Karaka's of the house which Jupiter

lords.

>

>

>

> If both the Karaka and the lordship have a

dosha, then make your

prediction.

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

>

>

>

> Visti Larsen

> <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> vishwanatham [vishwanatham@r...]

> 26 October 2004 05:26

>

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

>

>

>

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Suchitra,

>

> Good question.

>

> Look at the naisargika karakatwa of the

planet. In case of Jupiter,

> say children.

>

> Second is look at the 7th from the planet.

That is because we are

> talking of desires(7th house) and every

planet(except moksha karaka

> Ketu) gives 7th house aspect! The retrograde

planet will give

results

> in the area of that house, which is in the

7th from it. This also

> explains, why a retrograde planet acts as

debilitated, when in

> exaltation sign and vice-versa.

>

> Generally, retro planets give results very

late, after a lot of

> effort! There was an exchange of mails a

couple of weeks ago.

Please

> have a look at them.

>

> In case of a retro Jupiter, the native may

have lot of desire for

> having children and adopt modern methods

(unconventional, which is

> not a Jupiterian trait, rather like a Rahu!)

to obtain children. (i

> am not judging any one here)

>

> Atmakaraka is a different thing. Car owner

(jeevatma) is going

> wherever the driver (mind) is taking. Car

itself is like the lagna,

> which the driver is more concerned about,

because here the owner is

a

> silent spectator! Try to understand

retrograde planets, without

> getting into AK, which is like a King's

desire, overrides

everything

> else.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> regards

> viswanadham

>

>

>

>

> ,

"suchitra_kamath"

> <suchitra_kamath> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Hello Viswanatham,

> >

> > I want to clarify myself from whatever I

understood from your

> > explanation.

> > Suppose a person has retrograde

Jupiter(house 5) and Mercury

10.0pt;font-family:"Courier\000A New"">(House

> > 1/Lagna).However the atmakarak is a NON

retrograde MArs,then

should

> > the interpretation for desire of atma be

taken as if Jupiter and

> > Mercury are also atmakarak other than

Mars ?

> >

> > An atmakarak Jupietr would mean caring

for family.

> > An atmakarak Mercury wouldmena trying to

speak truth always.

> >

> > So is the atma desiring this or has the

desire to do with

someother

> > thing which would be related to these

planets say knowledge for

> > Jupiter ?

> >

> > Regards

> > Suchitra

> > ,

"gilimary alvey"

> > <lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:

> > > Dear Vishwanathan,

> > > Yes. That is how I understood

it too. Thanks for explaining

it

> > so well to

> > > us all.

> > > Love,

> > > Gili

> > >

> > > >"vishwanatham"

<vishwanatham@r...>

> > > >

 

> > > >To:

 

> > > >[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

Re: retro planets/past life

> > > >Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:42:41

-0000

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Hare Rama Krishna

> > > >

> > > >Dear Gili & others,

> > > >

> > > >It has been said by Guruji

& others, like Visti, that Retro

> > planets

> > > >are more like the Nodes.

> > > >

> > > >The path of Sun & Moon is

followed by planets when they are in

> > > >forward motion.

> > > >

> > > >This also explains why Rahu

& Ketu in Vedic astrology are

> *always*

> > > >retro.

> > > >

> > > >While Ketu points to moksha, it

is implied that the birth

occured

> > > >because moksha did not take

place. It is understandable to

most

> > that

> > > >Rahu is a karmic planet.

> > > >

> > > >So it is retro planets, which

act like Rahu. It is unfulfilled

> > > >desires, which carry us from

one life to another.. it is Rahu

> > giving

> > > >us a new birth (Varaha avatara

resurrecting the earth,

symbolises

> > > >rebirth), which is always

opposing Ketu sitting in the 7th

house.

> > > >

> > > >The logic for rebirth, pointing

to the retro planets (apart

from

> > > >Rahu), is clear i think.

> > > >

> > > >This is only my loud thinking.

> > > >

> > > >Thanks & regards

> > > >viswanadham

> > > >--- In

, "gilimary alvey"

> > > ><lopamudraxxx@h...>

wrote:

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > I heard Sanjay say once

that retro planets are strong

desires

> > from

> > > >past

> > > > > life. Perhaps we

should check with him.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Gili

> > > > >

> > > > > >"Ramapriya

D" <hubli@h...>

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >To:

<>

> > > > > >Re: [sJC:

Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul]

Re:

> > > >Achyuta

> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde

exalted saturn in 6th House

> > > > > >Sun, 24 Oct

2004 19:04:06 +0400

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Hi there Pratibha,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I've heard that too.

Kind of adds up, isn't it? Karmic

> desires

> > > >might stem

> > > > > >from what price there

is yet unpaid, which can mean those

> that

> > > >curses

> > > > > >bestow. Honestly,

this curse-karma-rebirth road is one I

> don't

> > > >much travel

> > > > > >on

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Cheers,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Ramapriya

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -----

Original Message -----

> > > > > >

Orchid

> > > > > > To:

 

> > > > > > Sent:

Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:10 AM

> > > > > > Subject:

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta

Gurukul]

> > Re:

> > > >Achyuta

> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde

exalted saturn in 6th House

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear

Ramapriya,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry to

jump in, but in your reply you said that Retro

> > planets

> > > >indicate

> > > > > >curses of a past

life. Could you elaborate on that. I

> remember

> > > >reading that

> > > > > >retro means, that

this rebirth is due to a storng desire

> from

> > a

> > > >past life,

> > > > > >or does that apply

only to a retro AK?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Would

appreciate your comments.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > Pratibha

> > > > >

> > > > >

> >

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wrote:

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Rama Krsna|

Dear

Vishwanatham, Namaskar

Analyze

in 2 steps;

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font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">Karaka

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">2)

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">Lordship

 

I.e. if

Jupiter is retrograde, then also analyze 5th lord to see whether the problem is

in the area of children. Otherwise see the lordship of Jupiter and the

Karaka!/s of the house which Jupiter lords.

 

If both the

Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then make your prediction.

Best wishes,

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">vishwanatham

[vishwanatham (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com]

26 October 2004 05:26

 

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

retro planets/past life

12.0pt">

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Suchitra,

Good question.

Look at the naisargika karakatwa of the planet. In

case of Jupiter,

say children.

Second is look at the 7th from the planet. That is

because we are

talking of desires(7th house) and every

planet(except moksha karaka

Ketu) gives 7th house aspect! The retrograde

planet will give results

in the area of that house, which is in the 7th

from it. This also

explains, why a

retrograde planet acts as debilitated, when in

exaltation sign and vice-versa.

Generally, retro planets give results very late,

after a lot of

effort! There was an exchange of mails a couple of

weeks ago. Please

have a look at them.

In case of a retro Jupiter, the native may have

lot of desire for

having children and adopt modern methods

(unconventional, which is

not a Jupiterian trait, rather like a Rahu!) to

obtain children. (i

am not judging any one here)

Atmakaraka is a different thing. Car owner

(jeevatma) is going

wherever the driver (mind) is taking. Car itself

is like the lagna,

which the driver is more concerned about, because

here the owner is a

silent spectator! Try to understand retrograde

planets, without

getting into AK, which is like a King's desire,

overrides everything

else.

Hope this helps.

regards

viswanadham

,

"suchitra_kamath"

<suchitra_kamath> wrote:

>

>

>

> Hello Viswanatham,

>

> I want to clarify myself from whatever I

understood from your

> explanation.

> Suppose a person has retrograde Jupiter(house

5) and Mercury(House

> 1/Lagna).However the atmakarak is a NON

retrograde MArs,then should

> the interpretation for desire of atma be

taken as if Jupiter and

> Mercury are also atmakarak other than Mars ?

>

> An atmakarak Jupietr would mean caring for

family.

> An atmakarak Mercury wouldmena trying to

speak truth always.

>

> So is the atma desiring this or has the

desire to do with someother

> thing which would be related to these planets

say knowledge for

> Jupiter ?

>

> Regards

> Suchitra

> ,

"gilimary alvey"

> <lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Vishwanathan,

> > Yes. That is how I understood it

too. Thanks for explaining it

> so well to

> > us all.

> > Love,

> > Gili

> >

> > >"vishwanatham" <vishwanatham@r...>

> > >

 

> > >

> > >[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

retro planets/past life

> > >Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:42:41

-0000

> > >

> > >

> > >Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > >Dear Gili & others,

> > >

> > >It has been said by Guruji &

others, like Visti, that Retro

> planets

> > >are more like the Nodes.

> > >

> > >The path of Sun & Moon is

followed by planets when they are in

> > >forward motion.

> > >

> > >This also explains why Rahu &

Ketu in Vedic astrology are

*always*

> > >retro.

> > >

> > >While Ketu points to moksha, it is

implied that the birth occured

> > >because moksha did not take place.

It is understandable to most

> that

> > >Rahu is a karmic planet.

> > >

> > >So it is retro planets, which act

like Rahu. It is unfulfilled

> > >desires, which carry us from one

life to another.. it is Rahu

> giving

> > >us a new birth (Varaha avatara

resurrecting the earth, symbolises

> > >rebirth), which is always opposing

Ketu sitting in the 7th house.

> > >

> > >The logic for rebirth, pointing to

the retro planets (apart from

> > >Rahu), is clear i think.

> > >

> > >This is only my loud thinking.

> > >

> > >Thanks & regards

> > >viswanadham

> > >,

"gilimary alvey"

> > ><lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > I heard Sanjay say once that

retro planets are strong desires

> from

> > >past

> > > > life. Perhaps we should

check with him.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Gili

> > > >

> > > > >"Ramapriya

D" <hubli@h...>

> > > > >

 

> > > > >To:

<>

> > > > >Re: [sJC: Achyuta

Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

> > >Achyuta

> > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde

exalted saturn in 6th House

> > > > >Sun, 24 Oct 2004

19:04:06 +0400

> > > > >

> > > > >Hi there Pratibha,

> > > > >

> > > > >I've heard that too. Kind

of adds up, isn't it? Karmic

desires

> > >might stem

> > > > >from what price there is

yet unpaid, which can mean those

that

> > >curses

> > > > >bestow. Honestly, this

curse-karma-rebirth road is one I

don't

> > >much travel

> > > > >on

> > > > >

> > > > >Cheers,

> > > > >

> > > > >Ramapriya

> > > > >

> > > > > -----

Original Message -----

> > > > > Orchid

> > > > > To:

 

> > >

> > Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:10 AM

> > > > > Re:

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul]

> Re:

> > >Achyuta

> > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde

exalted saturn in 6th House

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear

Ramapriya,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry to jump

in, but in your reply you said that Retro

> planets

> >

>indicate

> > > > >curses of a past life.

Could you elaborate on that. I

remember

> > >reading that

> > > > >retro means, that this

rebirth is due to a storng desire

from

> a

> > >past life,

> > > > >or does that apply only to

a retro AK?

> > > > >

> > > > > Would

appreciate your comments.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Pratibha

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Visti,

I will certainly forgive you- but not your 'ignorance'- rather your childish use

of this Q to covey another message /which one?only you know!/ and/or to express

/inappropriate for a Guru IMHO/ arrogance- why you'll ask? Bcs you are a

knowledgeable and good guy, despite that, IMHO, again.

Warm wishes,

Anna

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear A.R. Namaskar.

Forgive me for being ignorant. Please tell me what are the effects of having

Jupiter in a trine to the sun.

Best wishes,

 

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

 

 

 

A.R. [bonamente108 ] 29 October 2004 02:03To:

Subject: RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

 

Dear Visti,

You just elaborated around my statement-yes, that's so, these are facts- not an

issue- but you didn't respond to my question- would you please read the whole

message and respond to the Q?

 

I copied Q in italic, to make it easier for you, Sir: "..the RULE is that Ju is

always retrograde when in TRINE with the Sun which is highly

desirable/beneficial case /IS IT NOT?/- if exact, or almost so, it will be

conj. in Nav. So, where/and why/ is negative conotation coming from- as I have

perceived /from your message/- please clarify.'..To remind you- it was about

JuR you wrote

 

Thanks,

AnnaVisti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear A, Namaskar

When the Sun is exactly 120 degrees in front of Jupiter, then Jupiter will turn

retrograde. This will continue until the Sun is exactly 240 degrees away from

Jupiter, after which Jupiter will turn direct. Same applies to Mars and Saturn.

Best wishes,

 

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

 

 

 

A.R. [bonamente108 ] 28 October 2004 00:29To:

Subject: Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

 

Dear Visti,

I am nor sure I understood you properly- for ex- the RULE is that Ju is always

retrograde when in TRINE with the Sun which is highly desirable/beneficial

case- if exact, or almost so, it will be conj. in Nav. So, where/and why/ is

negative conotation coming from- as I have perceived- please clarify.Regards,

A.

 

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote:> |Hare

Rama Krsna|> > Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar> > Analyze in 2 steps;> > 1)

Karaka>

New">> 2) Lordship> > > > I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also

analyze 5th lord to see whether the> problem is in the area of children.

Otherwise see the lordship of Jupiter> and the Karaka's of the house which

Jupiter lords.> > > > If both the Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then

make your

New">prediction.> > Best wishes,> > > > > > Visti Larsen> <visti@s...>

visti@s... > > > > > > > > _____

> > vishwanatham [vishwanatham@r...] > 26 October 2004 05:26>

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear

Suchitra,> > Good question.> > Look at the naisargika karakatwa of the planet.

In case of Jupiter, > say children. > > Second is look at the 7th from the

planet. That is because we are > talking of desires(7th house) and every

planet(except moksha karaka > Ketu) gives 7th house aspect! The retrograde

planet will give results > in the area of that house, which is in the 7th from

it. This also > explains, why a retrograde

planet acts as debilitated, when in > exaltation sign and vice-versa.> >

Generally, retro planets give results very late, after a lot of > effort! There

was an exchange of mails a couple of weeks ago. Please > have a look at them.> >

In case of a retro Jupiter, the native may have lot of desire for > having

children and adopt modern methods (unconventional, which is > not a Jupiterian

trait, rather like a Rahu!) to obtain children. (i > am not judging any one

here)> > Atmakaraka is a different thing. Car owner (jeevatma) is going >

wherever the driver (mind) is taking. Car itself is like the lagna, > which the

driver is more concerned about, because here the owner is a > silent spectator!

Try to understand retrograde planets, without > getting into AK, which is like

a King's desire, overrides everything > else.> > Hope this helps.>

New">> regards> viswanadham> > > > > ,

"suchitra_kamath" > <suchitra_kamath> wrote:> > > > > > > > Hello

Viswanatham,> > > > I want to clarify myself from whatever I understood from

your > > explanation.>

> Suppose a person has retrograde Jupiter(house 5) and Mercury

New'">(House > > 1/Lagna).However the atmakarak is a NON retrograde MArs,then

should > > the interpretation for desire of atma be taken as if Jupiter and > >

Mercury are also atmakarak other than Mars ?> > > > An atmakarak Jupietr would

mean caring for family.> > An atmakarak Mercury wouldmena trying to speak truth

always.> > > > So is the atma desiring this or has the desire to do with

someother

> > thing which would be related to these planets say knowledge for > > Jupiter

?> > > > Regards> > Suchitra> > , "gilimary

alvey" > > <lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:> > > Dear Vishwanathan,> > > Yes. That

is how I understood it too. Thanks for explaining it > > so well to > > > us

all.

New">> > > Love,> > > Gili> > > > > > >"vishwanatham" <vishwanatham@r...>>

> > >> > > >To:

> > > >[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: retro

planets/past life> > > >Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:42:41 -0000> > > >> > > >> >

> >Hare Rama Krishna

New">> > > >> > > >Dear Gili & others,> > > >> > > >It has been said by Guruji &

others, like Visti, that Retro > > planets> > > >are more like the Nodes.> > >

>> > > >The path of Sun & Moon is followed by planets when they are in> > >

>forward motion.> > > >> > > >This also explains why Rahu & Ketu in Vedic

astrology are >

*always*> > > >retro.> > > >> > > >While Ketu points to moksha, it is implied

that the birth occured> > > >because moksha did not take place. It is

understandable to most > > that> > > >Rahu is a karmic planet.> > > >> > > >So

it is retro planets, which act like Rahu. It is unfulfilled> > > >desires,

which carry us from one life to another.. it is Rahu

New">> > giving> > > >us a new birth (Varaha avatara resurrecting the earth,

symbolises> > > >rebirth), which is always opposing Ketu sitting in the 7th

house.> > > >> > > >The logic for rebirth, pointing to the retro planets (apart

from> > > >Rahu), is clear i think.> > > >> > > >This is only my loud thinking.>

> > >> > > >Thanks &

regards> > > >viswanadham> > > >, "gilimary

alvey"> > > ><lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > I heard

Sanjay say once that retro planets are strong desires > > from> > > >past> > >

> > life. Perhaps we should check with him.> > > > > Love,> > > > > Gili> >

> > >> > > > > >"Ramapriya D" <hubli@h...>> > > > > >

> > > > > ><>> > >

> > >Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:> > >

>Achyuta> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted saturn in 6th House> > > > >

>Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:04:06 +0400> > > > > >> > > > > >Hi there

Pratibha,> > > > > >> > > > > >I've heard that too. Kind of adds up, isn't it?

Karmic > desires> > > >might stem> > > > > >from what price there is yet

unpaid, which can mean those > that> > > >curses> > > > > >bestow. Honestly,

this curse-karma-rebirth road is one I > don't> > > >much travel> > > > > >on

>

> > > > >> > > > > >Cheers,> > > > > >> > > > > >Ramapriya> > > > > >> > > > > >

-> > > > > > Orchid> > > > > > To:

> > > > > > Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:10

AM> > > > > > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul]

> > Re:> > > >Achyuta> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted saturn in 6th House>

> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Ramapriya,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sorry

to jump in, but in your reply you said that Retro > > planets> > > >indicate> >

> > > >curses of a past life. Could you elaborate on that. I

> remember> > > >reading that> > > > > >retro means, that this rebirth is due to

a storng desire > from > > a> > > >past life,> > > > > >or does that apply only

to a retro AK?> > > > > >> > > > > > Would appreciate your comments.> > > > >

>> > > > > > Thanks,> > > > >

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Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar

Analyze in 2 steps;

1) Karaka

2) Lordship

 

I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also analyze 5th lord to see whether the

problem is in the area of children. Otherwise see the lordship of Jupiter and

the Karaka!/s of the house which Jupiter lords.

 

If both the Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then make your prediction.

Best wishes,

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

 

 

 

vishwanatham [vishwanatham (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com] 26 October 2004

05:26Subject: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

 

Hare Rama KrishnaDear Suchitra,Good question.Look at the naisargika karakatwa of

the planet. In case of Jupiter, say children. Second is look at the 7th from the

planet. That is because we are talking of desires(7th house) and every

planet(except moksha karaka Ketu) gives 7th house aspect! The retrograde planet

will give results in the area of that house, which is in the 7th from it.

This also

New'">explains, why a retrograde planet acts as debilitated, when in exaltation

sign and vice-versa.Generally, retro planets give results very late, after a

lot of effort! There was an exchange of mails a couple of weeks ago. Please

have a look at them.In case of a retro Jupiter, the native may have lot of

desire for having children and adopt modern methods (unconventional, which is

not a Jupiterian trait, rather like a Rahu!) to obtain children. (i am not

judging any one here)

New">Atmakaraka is a different thing. Car owner (jeevatma) is going wherever the

driver (mind) is taking. Car itself is like the lagna, which the driver is more

concerned about, because here the owner is a silent spectator! Try to

understand retrograde planets, without getting into AK, which is like a King's

desire, overrides everything else.Hope this helps.regardsviswanadham--- In

, "suchitra_kamath" <suchitra_kamath> wrote:>

> > > Hello Viswanatham,> > I want to clarify myself from whatever I understood

from your > explanation.> Suppose a person has retrograde Jupiter(house 5) and

Mercury(House > 1/Lagna).However the atmakarak is a NON retrograde MArs,then

should > the interpretation for desire of atma be taken as if Jupiter and >

Mercury are also atmakarak other than Mars ?> > An atmakarak Jupietr would mean

caring for

family.> An atmakarak Mercury wouldmena trying to speak truth always.> > So is

the atma desiring this or has the desire to do with someother > thing which

would be related to these planets say knowledge for > Jupiter ?> > Regards>

Suchitra> , "gilimary alvey" >

<lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:> > Dear Vishwanathan,> > Yes. That is how I

understood it too. Thanks for

explaining it > so well to > > us all.> > Love,> > Gili> > > > >

"vishwanatham" <vishwanatham@r...>> > >>

> >> > >[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

retro planets/past life> > >Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:42:41 -0000> > >> > >> >

>Hare Rama Krishna> > >> > >Dear Gili & others,> > >> > >It has been said by

Guruji & others, like Visti, that Retro > planets> > >are more like the Nodes.>

> >> > >The path of Sun & Moon is followed by planets when they are in> >

>forward motion.> > >> > >This also explains why Rahu & Ketu in Vedic astrology

are

*always*> > >retro.> > >> > >While Ketu points to moksha, it is implied that the

birth occured> > >because moksha did not take place. It is understandable to

most > that> > >Rahu is a karmic planet.> > >> > >So it is retro planets, which

act like Rahu. It is unfulfilled> > >desires, which carry us from one life to

another.. it is Rahu > giving> > >us a new birth

(Varaha avatara resurrecting the earth, symbolises> > >rebirth), which is always

opposing Ketu sitting in the 7th house.> > >> > >The logic for rebirth, pointing

to the retro planets (apart from> > >Rahu), is clear i think.> > >> > >This is

only my loud thinking.> > >> > >Thanks & regards> > >viswanadham> > >--- In

, "gilimary alvey"> > ><lopamudraxxx@h...>

wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > > I heard Sanjay say once that retro planets are

strong desires > from> > >past> > > > life. Perhaps we should check with him.>

> > > Love,> > > > Gili> > > >> > > > >"Ramapriya D" <hubli@h...>> > > >

>> > > > >To:

<>> > > > >Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

Achyuta Gurukul] Re:> > >Achyuta> > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted saturn in

6th House> > > > >Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:04:06 +0400> > > > >> > > > >Hi

there Pratibha,> > > > >> > > > >I've heard that too. Kind of adds up, isn't

it? Karmic desires> > >might stem> > > > >from what price there is yet unpaid,

which can mean those

that> > >curses> > > > >bestow. Honestly, this curse-karma-rebirth road is one I

don't> > >much travel> > > > >on > > > > >> > > > >Cheers,> > > > >> > > >

>Ramapriya> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > >

Orchid> > > > >

New'">> > > > > Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:10 AM> > > > > Re:

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] > Re:> > >Achyuta> > > > >Gurukul]

Retrograde exalted saturn in 6th House> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear

Ramapriya,> > > > >> > > > > Sorry to jump in, but in your reply you said

that Retro

> planets

New'">> > >indicate> > > > >curses of a past life. Could you elaborate on that.

I remember> > >reading that> > > > >retro means, that this rebirth is due to a

storng desire from > a> > >past life,> > > > >or does that apply only to a

retro AK?> > > > >> > > > > Would appreciate your comments.

New">> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > > Pratibha> > > >> > > > >

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Dear Anna,

Namaskar.

Again forgive

me – yes it is childish, but I asked because the purpose of the Guru is

to teach.

Which Navämça

is your Jupiter in btw? – I will tell you why I asked when you answer.

 

This is what I

wanted you to think about with that question;

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">a)

color:navy">Yoga’s from Sun – The Yogas from the Sun are very

different from that of the Lagna. For example; the 5th from the Sun

shows what Dharma the world expects of you, whilst the 4th from Sun

shows the work given to you by the world – or the work available. 9th

from the Sun will show the people in the world who will support you – i.e.

vote for you.

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">b)

color:navy">Jupiter will not ALWAYS be retrograde when in a trine from the Sun –

in 50% of cases of Jupiter in trines to the Sun, Jupiter will be retrograde…

50%! Incase of an exact trine (120/240 degrees), Jupiter will be stationary,

which is said to happen for only 1 hour in a whole year. This is considered

very auspicious, as Jupiter is said to be in perfect meditation during this

time, and such people born can be in direct contact with the divine. Then Sun

and Jupiter will be conjoined in Navämça, and if they are also in trines to Navämça

Lagna, then an embodiment of Sadashiva is born, who is perfectly knowledgeable

about the Vedas, Puranas, Agamas, etc.

 

Best wishesm,

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">A.R.

[bonamente108 ]

30 October 2004 19:33

 

RE: [sJC: Achyuta

Gurukul] retro planets/past life

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Visti,

12.0pt">I will certainly forgive you- but not your 'ignorance'- rather your

childish use of this Q to covey another message /which one?only you know!/

and/or to express /inappropriate for a Guru IMHO/ arrogance- why you'll

ask? Bcs you are a knowledgeable and good guy, despite that, IMHO, again.

12.0pt">Warm wishes,

12.0pt">Anna

12.0pt">

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

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|Hare Rama

Krsna|

Dear A.R.

Namaskar.

Forgive me

for being ignorant. Please tell me what are the effects of having Jupiter in a

trine to the sun.

Best wishes,

 

V

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29 October 2004 02:03

 

RE: [sJC: Achyuta

Gurukul] retro planets/past life

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Visti,

12.0pt">You just elaborated around my statement-yes, that's so, these are

facts- not an issue- but you didn't respond to my question- would you

please read the whole message and respond to the Q?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">I copied Q in italic, to make it easier for you, Sir: "..the RULE is

that Ju is always retrograde when in TRINE

with the Sun which is highly desirable/beneficial case /IS IT NOT?/- if exact,

or almost so, it will be conj. in Nav. So,

where/and why/ is negative conotation coming from- as I have perceived /from

your message/- please clarify.'..

To remind you- it was about JuR you wrote

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Thanks,

12.0pt">Anna

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

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font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">|Hare Rama Krsna|

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">Dear A, Namaskar

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">When the Sun is exactly 120 degrees

in front of Jupiter, then Jupiter will turn retrograde. This will continue

until the Sun is exactly 240 degrees away from Jupiter, after which Jupiter

will turn direct. Same applies to Mars and Saturn.

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10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> A.R. [bonamente108 ]

28 October 2004 00:29

 

Re: [sJC: Achyuta

Gurukul] retro planets/past life

 

Dear Visti,

I am nor sure I

understood you properly- for ex- the RULE is that Ju is always retrograde when

in TRINE with the Sun which is highly desirable/beneficial case- if exact, or

almost so, it will be conj. in Nav. So, where/and why/ is negative

conotation coming from- as I have perceived- please clarify.

Regards,

A.

 

---

In , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> |Hare Rama Krsna|

>

> Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar

>

> Analyze in 2 steps;

>

> 1) Karaka

>

> 2)

Lordship

>

>

>

> I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also

analyze 5th lord to see

whether the

> problem is in the area of children. Otherwise

see the lordship of

Jupiter

> and the Karaka's of the house which Jupiter

lords.

>

>

>

> If both the Karaka and the lordship have a

dosha, then make your

prediction.

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

>

>

>

> Visti Larsen

> <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> vishwanatham [vishwanatham@r...]

> 26 October 2004 05:26

>

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

>

>

>

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Suchitra,

>

> Good question.

>

> Look at the naisargika karakatwa of the

planet. In case of Jupiter,

> say children.

>

> Second is look at the 7th from the planet.

That is because we are

> talking of desires(7th house) and every

planet(except moksha karaka

> Ketu) gives 7th house aspect! The retrograde

planet will give

results

> in the area of that house, which is in the

7th from it. This also

> explains, why a retrograde planet acts as

debilitated, when in

> exaltation sign and vice-versa.

>

> Generally, retro planets give results very

late, after a lot of

> effort! There was an exchange of mails a

couple of weeks ago.

Please

> have a look at them.

>

> In case of a retro Jupiter, the native may

have lot of desire for

> having children and adopt modern methods

(unconventional, which is

> not a Jupiterian trait, rather like a Rahu!)

to obtain children. (i

> am not judging any one here)

>

> Atmakaraka is a different thing. Car owner

(jeevatma) is going

> wherever the driver (mind) is taking. Car

itself is like the lagna,

> which the driver is more concerned about,

because here the owner is

a

> silent spectator! Try to understand

retrograde planets, without

> getting into AK, which is like a King's

desire, overrides

everything

> else.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> regards

> viswanadham

>

>

>

>

> ,

"suchitra_kamath"

> <suchitra_kamath> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Hello Viswanatham,

> >

> > I want to clarify myself from whatever I

understood from your

> > explanation.

> > Suppose a person has retrograde

Jupiter(house 5) and Mercury

(House

> > 1/Lagna).However the atmakarak is a NON

retrograde MArs,then

should

> > the interpretation for desire of atma be

taken as if Jupiter and

> > Mercury are also atmakarak other than

Mars ?

> >

> > An atmakarak Jupietr would mean caring

for family.

> > An atmakarak Mercury wouldmena trying to

speak truth always.

> >

> > So is the atma desiring this or has the

desire to do with

someother

> > thing which would be related to these

planets say knowledge for

> > Jupiter ?

> >

> > Regards

> > Suchitra

> > ,

"gilimary alvey"

> > <lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:

> > > Dear Vishwanathan,

> > > Yes. That is how I understood

it too. Thanks for explaining

it

> > so well to

> > > us all.

> > >

Love,

10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">

> > > Gili

> > >

> > > >"vishwanatham"

<vishwanatham@r...>

> > > >

 

> > > >To:

 

> > > >[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

Re: retro planets/past life

> > > >Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:42:41

-0000

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

>

10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">

> > > >Dear Gili & others,

> > > >

> > > >It has been said by Guruji

& others, like Visti, that Retro

> > planets

> > > >are more like the Nodes.

> > > >

> > > >The path of Sun & Moon is

followed by planets when they are in

> > > >forward motion.

> > > >

> > > >This also explains why Rahu

& Ketu in Vedic astrology are

> *always*

> > > >retro.

> > > >

> > > >While Ketu points to moksha, it

is implied that the birth

occured

> > > >because moksha did not take

place. It is understandable to

most

> > that

> > > >Rahu is a karmic planet.

> > > >

> > > >So it is retro planets, which

act like Rahu. It is unfulfilled

> > > >desires, which carry us from

one life to another.. it is Rahu

> > giving

> > > >us a new birth (Varaha avatara

resurrecting the earth,

symbolises

> > > >rebirth), which is always

opposing Ketu sitting in the 7th

house.

> > > >

> > > >The logic for rebirth, pointing

to the retro planets (apart

from

> > > >Rahu), is clear i think.

> > > >

> > > >This is only my loud thinking.

> > > >

> > > >Thanks & regards

> > > >viswanadham

> > > >--- In

, "gilimary alvey"

> > > ><lopamudraxxx@h...>

wrote:

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > I heard Sanjay say once

that retro planets are strong

desires

> > from

> > > >past

> > > > > life. Perhaps we

should check with him.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Gili

> > > > >

> > > > > >"Ramapriya

D" <hubli@h...>

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >To:

<>

> > > > > >Re: [sJC:

Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul]

Re:

> > > >Achyuta

> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde

exalted saturn in 6th House

> > > > > >Sun, 24 Oct

2004 19:04:06 +0400

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Hi there Pratibha,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I've heard that too.

Kind of adds up, isn't it? Karmic

> desires

> > > >might stem

> > > > > >from what price there

is yet unpaid, which can mean those

> that

> > > >curses

> > > > > >bestow. Honestly,

this curse-karma-rebirth road is one I

> don't

> > > >much travel

> > > > > >on

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Cheers,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Ramapriya

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -----

Original Message -----

> > > > > >

Orchid

> > > > > > To:

 

> > > > > > Sent:

Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:10 AM

> > > > > > Subject:

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta

Gurukul]

> > Re:

> > > >Achyuta

> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde

exalted saturn in 6th House

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear

Ramapriya,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry to

jump in, but in your reply you said that Retro

> > planets

> > > >indicate

> > > > > >curses of a past

life. Could you elaborate on that. I

> remember

> > > >reading that

> > > > > >retro means, that

this rebirth is due to a storng desire

> from

> > a

> > > >past life,

> > > > > >or does that apply

only to a retro AK?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Would

appreciate your comments.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > Pratibha

> > > > >

> > > > >

> >

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> in

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Dear

Vishwanatham, Namaskar

Analyze

in 2 steps;

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">1)

color:navy">Karaka

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">2)

color:navy">Lordship

 

I.e. if

Jupiter is retrograde, then also analyze 5th lord to see whether the problem is

in the area of children. Otherwise see the lordship of Jupiter and the

Karaka!/s of the house which Jupiter lords.

 

If both the

Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then make your prediction.

Best wishes,

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26 October 2004 05:26

 

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

retro planets/past life

12.0pt">

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Suchitra,

Good question.

Look at the naisargika karakatwa of the planet. In

case of Jupiter,

say children.

Second is look at the 7th from the planet. That is

because we are

talking of desires(7th house) and every

planet(except moksha karaka

Ketu) gives 7th house aspect! The retrograde

planet will give results

in the area of that house, which is in the 7th

from it. This also

explains, why a retrograde planet acts as

debilitated, when in

exaltation sign and vice-versa.

Generally, retro planets give results very late,

after a lot of

effort! There was an exchange of mails a couple of

weeks ago. Please

have a look at them.

In case of a retro Jupiter, the native may have

lot of desire for

having children and adopt modern methods

(unconventional, which is

not a Jupiterian trait, rather like a Rahu!) to

obtain children. (i

am not judging any one here)

Atmakaraka is a

different thing. Car owner (jeevatma) is going

wherever the driver (mind) is taking. Car itself

is like the lagna,

which the driver is more concerned about, because

here the owner is a

silent spectator! Try to understand retrograde

planets, without

getting into AK, which is like a King's desire,

overrides everything

else.

Hope this helps.

regards

viswanadham

,

"suchitra_kamath"

<suchitra_kamath> wrote:

>

>

>

> Hello Viswanatham,

>

> I want to clarify myself from whatever I

understood from your

> explanation.

> Suppose a person has retrograde Jupiter(house

5) and Mercury(House

> 1/Lagna).However the atmakarak is a NON

retrograde MArs,then should

> the interpretation for desire of atma be

taken as if Jupiter and

> Mercury are also atmakarak other than Mars ?

>

> An atmakarak Jupietr would mean caring for

family.

> An atmakarak Mercury wouldmena trying to

speak truth always.

>

> So is the atma desiring this or has the

desire to do with someother

> thing which would be related to these planets

say knowledge for

> Jupiter ?

>

> Regards

> Suchitra

> ,

"gilimary alvey"

> <lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Vishwanathan,

> > Yes. That is how I understood it

too. Thanks for explaining it

> so well to

> > us all.

> > Love,

> > Gili

> >

> > >"vishwanatham"

<vishwanatham@r...>

> > >

 

> > >

> > >[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

retro planets/past life

> > >Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:42:41

-0000

> > >

> > >

> > >Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > >Dear Gili & others,

> > >

> > >It has been said by Guruji &

others, like Visti, that Retro

> planets

> > >are more like the Nodes.

> > >

> > >The path of Sun & Moon is

followed by planets when they are in

> > >forward motion.

> > >

> > >This also explains why Rahu &

Ketu in Vedic astrology are

*always*

> > >retro.

> > >

> > >While Ketu points to moksha, it is

implied that the birth occured

> > >because moksha did not take place.

It is understandable to most

> that

> > >Rahu is a karmic planet.

> > >

> > >So it is retro planets, which act

like Rahu. It is unfulfilled

> > >desires, which carry us from one

life to another.. it is Rahu

> giving

> > >us a new birth (Varaha avatara

resurrecting the earth, symbolises

> > >rebirth), which is always opposing

Ketu sitting in the 7th house.

> > >

> > >The logic for rebirth, pointing to

the retro planets (apart from

> > >Rahu), is clear i think.

> > >

> > >This is only my loud thinking.

> > >

> > >Thanks & regards

> > >viswanadham

> > >,

"gilimary alvey"

> > ><lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > I heard Sanjay say once that

retro planets are strong desires

> from

> > >past

> > > > life. Perhaps we should

check with him.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Gili

> > > >

> > > > >"Ramapriya

D" <hubli@h...>

> > > > >

 

> > > > >To:

<>

> > > > >Re: [sJC: Achyuta

Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

> > >Achyuta

> > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde

exalted saturn in 6th House

> > > > >Sun, 24 Oct 2004

19:04:06 +0400

> > > > >

> > > > >Hi there Pratibha,

> > > > >

> > > > >I've heard that too. Kind

of adds up, isn't it? Karmic

desires

> > >might stem

> > > > >from what price there is

yet unpaid, which can mean those

that

> > >curses

> > > > >bestow. Honestly, this

curse-karma-rebirth road is one I

don't

> > >much travel

> > > > >on

> > > > >

> > > > >Cheers,

> > > > >

> > > > >Ramapriya

> > > > >

> > > > > -----

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> > > > > Orchid

> > > > > To:

 

> > > > > Sunday,

October 24, 2004 7:10 AM

> > > > > Re:

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul]

> Re:

> > >Achyuta

> > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde

exalted saturn in 6th House

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear

Ramapriya,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry to jump

in, but in your reply you said that Retro

> planets

> > >indicate

> > > > >curses of a past life.

Could you elaborate on that. I

remember

> > >reading that

> > > > >retro means, that this

rebirth is due to a storng desire

from

> a

> > >past life,

> > > > >or does that apply only to

a retro AK?

> > > > >

> > > > > Would

appreciate your comments.

> > >

> >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Pratibha

> > > >

> > > >

>

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Dear Visti,

Thanks.- I accept that you wanted just to teach me, as, in fact, you have been

doing that for a looooong time- but your question didn't sound that way, at

all- you'd admit /you could have just asked what I thought- not to 'forgive

your ignorance'-maybe it's worth saying: in no way have I ever tried to test

your knowledge or , God forbid, to imply that I know more than you do- seems

like that made you sarcastic, my dear Scorpio?/

I am all ears to hear the reason why you asked-My Ju is in Scorpio Navamsa, in

4th, in parivartana with Mars from 5th?

 

Thanks for the entire explanation- direct answer I expected and wasn't sure

about you gave me: " ...Jupiter will be stationary, which is said to happen for

only 1 hour in a whole year. This is considered very auspicious, as Jupiter is

said to be in perfect meditation during this time, and such people born can be

in direct contact with the divine. Then Sun and Jupiter will be conjoined in

Navämça, and if they are also in trines to Navämça Lagna, then an embodiment of

Sadashiva is born, who is perfectly knowledgeable about the Vedas, Puranas,

Agamas, etc..."

I don't have this, unfortunately, but my parent and one of my clients did- they

perfectly fit your description/sure within the cultural milieu they lived in../

In previous messages you focused on 'negatives' of retro position- that

triggered my interest and the question /btw. when in trine with Sun even when

not retr. I found it to be very beneficial/

 

I have to explore more and meditate on the rest of what you wrote- like, when

opposition to Sun, sextile- in 3rd/, in 12th...what implications would be?

 

Thanks so much for this teaching, I appreciate that.

Warm regards,

Anna

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Anna, Namaskar.

Again forgive me ¨C yes it is childish, but I asked because the purpose of the Guru is to teach.

Which Navämça is your Jupiter in btw? ¨C I will tell you why I asked when you answer.

 

This is what I wanted you to think about with that question;

a) Yoga¡¯s from Sun ¨C The Yogas from the Sun are very different from that

of the Lagna. For example; the 5th from the Sun shows what Dharma the world

expects of you, whilst the 4th from Sun shows the work given to you by the

world ¨C or the work available. 9th from the Sun will show the people in the

world who will support you ¨C i.e. vote for you.

b) Jupiter will not ALWAYS be retrograde when in a trine from the Sun ¨C

in 50% of cases of Jupiter in trines to the Sun, Jupiter will be retrograde¡­

50%! Incase of an exact trine (120/240 degrees), Jupiter will be stationary,

which is said to happen for only 1 hour in a whole year. This is considered

very auspicious, as Jupiter is said to be in perfect meditation during this

time, and such people born can be in direct contact with the divine. Then Sun

and Jupiter will be

conjoined in Navämça, and if they are also in trines to Navämça Lagna, then an

embodiment of Sadashiva is born, who is perfectly knowledgeable about the

Vedas, Puranas, Agamas, etc.

 

Best wishesm,

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

 

 

 

A.R. [bonamente108 ] 30 October 2004 19:33To:

Subject: RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

 

Dear Visti,

I will certainly forgive you- but not your 'ignorance'- rather your childish use

of this Q to covey another message /which one?only you know!/ and/or to express

/inappropriate for a Guru IMHO/ arrogance- why you'll ask? Bcs you are a

knowledgeable and good guy, despite that, IMHO, again.

Warm wishes,

Anna

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear A.R. Namaskar.

Forgive me for being ignorant. Please tell me what are the effects of having

Jupiter in a trine to the sun.

Best wishes,

 

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

 

 

 

A.R. [bonamente108 ] 29 October 2004 02:03To:

Subject: RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

 

Dear Visti,

You just elaborated around my statement-yes, that's so, these are facts- not an

issue- but you didn't respond to my question- would you please read the whole

message and respond to the Q?

 

I copied Q in italic, to make it easier for you, Sir: "..the RULE is that Ju is

always retrograde when in TRINE with the Sun which is highly

desirable/beneficial case /IS IT NOT?/- if exact, or almost so, it will be

conj. in Nav. So, where/and why/ is negative conotation coming from- as I have

perceived /from your message/- please clarify.'..To remind you- it was about

JuR you wrote

 

Thanks,

AnnaVisti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear A, Namaskar

When the Sun is exactly 120 degrees in front of Jupiter, then Jupiter will turn

retrograde. This will continue until the Sun is exactly 240 degrees away from

Jupiter, after which Jupiter will turn direct. Same applies to Mars and Saturn.

Best wishes,

 

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

 

 

 

A.R. [bonamente108 ] 28 October 2004 00:29To:

Subject: Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

 

Dear Visti,

I am nor sure I understood you properly- for ex- the RULE is that Ju is always

retrograde when in TRINE with the Sun which is highly desirable/beneficial

case- if exact, or almost so, it will be conj. in Nav. So, where/and why/ is

negative conotation coming from- as I have perceived- please clarify.Regards,

A.

 

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote:> |Hare

Rama Krsna|> > Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar> > Analyze in 2 steps;> > 1)

Karaka>

New'">> 2) Lordship> > > > I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also

analyze 5th lord to see whether the> problem is in the area of children.

Otherwise see the lordship of Jupiter> and the Karaka's of the house which

Jupiter lords.> > > > If both the Karaka and the lordship have a

dosha, then make your

New'">prediction.> > Best wishes,> > > > > > Visti Larsen> <visti@s...>

visti@s... > > > > > > >

> _____ > > vishwanatham [vishwanatham@r...] > 26 October

2004 05:26> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

retro planets/past life> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Suchitra,> > Good

question.> > Look at the naisargika karakatwa of the planet. In case of

Jupiter, > say children. > > Second is look at the 7th from the planet. That is

because we are > talking of desires(7th house) and every planet(except moksha

karaka > Ketu) gives 7th house aspect! The retrograde planet will give results

> in the area of that house, which is in the 7th from it. This also > explains,

why a retrograde planet acts as debilitated, when in > exaltation sign and

vice-versa.> > Generally, retro planets give results very late, after a lot of

> effort! There was an exchange of mails a couple of weeks ago. Please > have a

look at them.> > In case of a retro Jupiter, the native may have lot of desire

for > having children and adopt modern methods (unconventional, which is > not

a Jupiterian trait, rather like a Rahu!) to obtain children. (i > am not

judging any one here)> > Atmakaraka is a different thing. Car owner (jeevatma)

is going > wherever the driver (mind) is taking. Car itself is like the lagna,

> which the driver is more concerned about, because here the owner is a >

silent spectator! Try to understand retrograde planets, without > getting into

AK, which is like a King's desire, overrides everything > else.

New">> > Hope this helps.>

New'">> regards> viswanadham> > > > > ,

"suchitra_kamath" > <suchitra_kamath> wrote:> > > > > > > > Hello

Viswanatham,> > > > I want to clarify myself from whatever I understood from

your

> > explanation.> > Suppose a person has retrograde Jupiter(house 5) and

Mercury(House > > 1/Lagna).However the atmakarak is a NON retrograde MArs,then

should > > the interpretation for desire of atma be taken as if Jupiter and > >

Mercury are also atmakarak other than Mars ?> > > > An atmakarak Jupietr would

mean caring for family.> > An atmakarak Mercury wouldmena trying to speak truth

always.> >

New">> > So is the atma desiring this or has the desire to do with someother > >

thing which would be related to these planets say knowledge for > > Jupiter ?> >

> > Regards> > Suchitra> > , "gilimary alvey"

> > <lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:> > > Dear Vishwanathan,> > > Yes. That is how I

understood it too. Thanks for explaining it >

> so well to > > > us all.

New'">> > > Love,> > > Gili> > > > > > >"vishwanatham"

<vishwanatham@r...>> > > >> > > >To:

> > > >[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: retro

planets/past life> > > >Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:42:41 -0000> > > >> > > >> >

> >Hare Rama Krishna

New'">> > > >> > > >Dear Gili & others,> > > >> > > >It has been said by Guruji

& others, like Visti, that Retro > > planets> > > >are more like the Nodes.> >

> >> > > >The path of Sun & Moon is followed by planets when they are in> > >

>forward motion.> > > >> > > >This also explains why Rahu & Ketu in

Vedic astrology are > *always*> > > >retro.> > > >> > > >While Ketu points to

moksha, it is implied that the birth occured> > > >because moksha did not take

place. It is understandable to most > > that> > > >Rahu is a karmic planet.> >

> >> > > >So it is retro planets, which act like Rahu. It is unfulfilled> > >

>desires, which carry us from one life

to another.. it is Rahu

New'">> > giving> > > >us a new birth (Varaha avatara resurrecting the earth,

symbolises> > > >rebirth), which is always opposing Ketu sitting in the 7th

house.> > > >> > > >The logic for rebirth, pointing to the retro planets (apart

from> > > >Rahu), is clear i think.> > > >> > > >This is only my loud thinking.

New">> > > >> > > >Thanks & regards> > > >viswanadham> > > >--- In

, "gilimary alvey"> > > ><lopamudraxxx@h...>

wrote:> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > I heard Sanjay say once that retro planets

are strong desires > > from> > > >past> > > > > life. Perhaps we should check

with him.> > > > > Love,> > > > > Gili> > > > >> > > > > >"Ramapriya D"

<hubli@h...>> > > > > >> > > > > >To:

<>> > > > > >Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:> > > >Achyuta> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted

saturn in 6th House> > > > > >Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:04:06 +0400> > >

> > >> > > > > >Hi there Pratibha,> > > > > >> > > > > >I've heard that too.

Kind of adds up, isn't it? Karmic > desires> > > >might stem> > > > > >from

what price there is yet unpaid, which can mean those > that> > > >curses> > > >

> >bestow. Honestly, this curse-karma-rebirth road is one I > don't> > > >much

travel

New">> > > > > >on > > > > > >> > > > > >Cheers,> > > > > >> > > > >

>Ramapriya> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > > >

Orchid> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent:

Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:10 AM> > > > > > Re: [sJC:

Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] > > Re:> > > >Achyuta> > > > > >Gurukul]

Retrograde exalted saturn in 6th House> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear

Ramapriya,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sorry to jump in, but in your reply you said

that Retro > > planets> > > >indicate> > >

> > >curses of a past life. Could you elaborate on that. I > remember> > >

>reading that> > > > > >retro means, that this rebirth is due to a storng

desire > from > > a> > > >past life,> > > > > >or does that apply only to a

retro AK?> > > > > >> > > > > > Would appreciate your comments.> > > > > >> >

> > > >

Thanks,> > > > > > Pratibha> > > > >> > > > > > >

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Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar

Analyze in 2 steps;

1) Karaka

2) Lordship

 

I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also analyze 5th lord to see whether the

problem is in the area of children. Otherwise see the lordship of Jupiter and

the Karaka!/s of the house which Jupiter lords.

 

If both the Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then make your prediction.

Best wishes,

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

 

 

 

vishwanatham [vishwanatham (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com] 26 October 2004

05:26Subject: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro

planets/past life

 

Hare Rama KrishnaDear Suchitra,Good question.Look at the naisargika karakatwa of

the planet. In case of Jupiter, say children. Second is look at the 7th from the

planet. That is because we are talking of desires(7th house) and every

planet(except moksha karaka Ketu) gives 7th house aspect! The retrograde planet

will give results in the area of that

house, which is in the 7th from it. This also explains, why a retrograde planet

acts as debilitated, when in exaltation sign and vice-versa.Generally, retro

planets give results very late, after a lot of effort! There was an exchange of

mails a couple of weeks ago. Please have a look at them.In case of a retro

Jupiter, the native may have lot of desire for having children and adopt modern

methods (unconventional, which is not a Jupiterian trait, rather like a Rahu!)

to obtain children. (i am not judging any one here)

New'">Atmakaraka is a different thing. Car owner (jeevatma) is going wherever

the driver (mind) is taking. Car itself is like the lagna, which the driver is

more concerned about, because here the owner is a silent spectator! Try to

understand retrograde planets, without getting into AK, which is like a King's

desire, overrides everything else.Hope this helps.regardsviswanadham--- In

, "suchitra_kamath" <suchitra_kamath> wrote:>

> > > Hello Viswanatham,> > I want to clarify myself from whatever I understood

from your > explanation.> Suppose a person has retrograde Jupiter(house 5) and

Mercury(House > 1/Lagna).However the atmakarak is a NON retrograde MArs,then

should > the interpretation for desire of atma be taken as if Jupiter and >

Mercury are also atmakarak other than Mars ?>

> An atmakarak Jupietr would mean caring for family.> An atmakarak Mercury

wouldmena trying to speak truth always.> > So is the atma desiring this or has

the desire to do with someother > thing which would be related to these planets

say knowledge for > Jupiter ?> > Regards> Suchitra> --- In

, "gilimary alvey" > <lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:> >

Dear

Vishwanathan,> > Yes. That is how I understood it too. Thanks for explaining

it > so well to > > us all.> > Love,> > Gili> > > > >"vishwanatham"

<vishwanatham@r...>> > >> > >To:

> > >[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: retro

planets/past life> > >Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:42:41 -0000>

> >> > >> > >Hare Rama Krishna> > >> > >Dear Gili & others,> > >> > >It has been

said by Guruji & others, like Visti, that Retro > planets> > >are more like the

Nodes.> > >> > >The path of Sun & Moon is followed by planets when they are in>

> >forward motion.> > >> > >This also explains why Rahu & Ketu in Vedic

astrology are *always*> > >retro.> > >> > >While Ketu points to moksha, it is

implied that the birth occured> > >because moksha did not take place. It is

understandable to most > that> > >Rahu is a karmic planet.> > >> > >So it is

retro planets, which act like Rahu. It is unfulfilled> > >desires, which carry

us from one life to

another.. it is Rahu > giving> > >us a new birth (Varaha avatara resurrecting

the earth, symbolises> > >rebirth), which is always opposing Ketu sitting in

the 7th house.> > >> > >The logic for rebirth, pointing to the retro planets

(apart from> > >Rahu), is clear i think.> > >> > >This is only my loud

thinking.> > >> > >Thanks & regards> > >viswanadham>

> >, "gilimary alvey"> > ><lopamudraxxx@h...>

wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > > I heard Sanjay say once that retro planets are

strong desires > from> > >past> > > > life. Perhaps we should check with him.>

> > > Love,> > > > Gili> > > >> > > > >"Ramapriya D" <hubli@h...>> > > >

>

> > > > ><>> > > >

>Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:> > >Achyuta> > >

> >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted saturn in 6th House> > > > >Sun, 24 Oct

2004 19:04:06 +0400> > > > >> > > > >Hi there Pratibha,> > > > >> > > > >I've

heard that too. Kind of adds up, isn't it? Karmic desires

New">> > >might stem> > > > >from what price there is yet unpaid, which can mean

those that> > >curses> > > > >bestow. Honestly, this curse-karma-rebirth road is

one I don't> > >much travel> > > > >on > > > > >> > > > >Cheers,> > > > >> >

> > >Ramapriya> > > > >

New">> > > > > -> > > > > Orchid> > > > >

> > > > > Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:10

AM> > > > > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] > Re:> >

>Achyuta> > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde exalted saturn in 6th House> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > > Dear

Ramapriya,> > > > >> > > > > Sorry to jump in, but in your reply you said that

Retro > planets> > >indicate> > > > >curses of a past life. Could you elaborate

on that. I remember> > >reading that> > > > >retro means, that this rebirth is

due to a storng desire from > a> > >past life,> > > > >or does that apply only

to a retro

AK?> > > > >> > > > > Would appreciate your comments.

New'">> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > > Pratibha> > > >> > > > >

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|Hare Rama

Krsna|

Dear Anna,

Everyone

retains knowledge differently – the placement of Jupiter in the Navämça

will indicate how this is;

Jupiter in

Martian Navämça’s indicate that the person must have examples

to understand a principle. So whenever you make notes, always keep examples on

the same notes/pages.

Best wishes,

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[bonamente108 ]

31 October 2004 19:12

 

RE: [sJC: Achyuta

Gurukul] retro planets/past life

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Visti,

12.0pt">Thanks.- I accept that you wanted just to teach me, as, in fact,

you have been doing that for a looooong time- but your question

didn't sound that way, at all- you'd admit /you could have just asked

what I thought- not to 'forgive your ignorance'-maybe it's worth

saying: in no way have I ever tried to test your knowledge or , God

forbid, to imply that I know more than you do- seems like that made you

sarcastic, my dear Scorpio?/

12.0pt">I am all ears to hear the reason why you asked-My Ju is in Scorpio

Navamsa, in 4th, in parivartana with Mars from 5th?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Thanks for the entire explanation- direct answer I expected and wasn't

sure about you gave me: " ...Jupiter will be stationary, which is said to happen for

only 1 hour in a whole year. This is considered very auspicious, as Jupiter is

said to be in perfect meditation during this time, and such people born can be

in direct contact with the divine. Then Sun and Jupiter will be conjoined in

Navämça, and if they are also in trines to Navämça

Lagna, then an embodiment of Sadashiva is born, who is perfectly knowledgeable

about the Vedas, Puranas, Agamas, etc..."

12.0pt">I don't have this, unfortunately, but my parent and one of my clients

did- they perfectly fit your description/sure within the cultural milieu they

lived in../

12.0pt">

In previous messages you focused on 'negatives' of retro position- that

triggered my interest and the question /btw. when in trine with Sun even when

not retr. I found it to be very beneficial/

12.0pt">

12.0pt">I have to explore more and meditate on the rest of what you wrote-

like, when opposition to Sun, sextile- in 3rd/, in 12th...what

implications would be?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Thanks so much for this teaching, I appreciate that.

12.0pt">Warm regards,

12.0pt">Anna

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

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|Hare Rama

Krsna|

Dear Anna,

Namaskar.

Again forgive

me (C yes it is childish, but I asked because the purpose of the Guru is to

teach.

Which Navdmga

is your Jupiter in btw? (C I will tell you why I asked when you answer.

 

This is what

I wanted you to think about with that question;

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">a)

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">Yoga!/s from Sun (C The Yogas from

the Sun are very different from that of the Lagna. For example; the 5th

from the Sun shows what Dharma the world expects of you, whilst the 4th

from Sun shows the work given to you by the world (C or the work available. 9th

from the Sun will show the people in the world who will support you (C i.e.

vote for you.

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">b)

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">Jupiter will not ALWAYS be retrograde

when in a trine from the Sun (C in 50% of cases of Jupiter in trines to the

Sun, Jupiter will be retrograde!- 50%! Incase of an exact trine (120/240

degrees), Jupiter will be stationary, which is said to happen for only 1 hour

in a whole year. This is considered very auspicious, as Jupiter is said to be

in perfect meditation during this time, and such people born can be in direct

contact with the divine. Then Sun and Jupiter will be conjoined in Navdmga, and

if they are also in trines to Navdmga Lagna, then an embodiment of Sadashiva is

born, who is perfectly knowledgeable about the Vedas, Puranas, Agamas, etc.

 

Best wishesm,

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[bonamente108 ]

30 October 2004 19:33

 

RE: [sJC: Achyuta

Gurukul] retro planets/past life

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Visti,

12.0pt">I will certainly forgive you- but not your 'ignorance'- rather your

childish use of this Q to covey another message /which one?only you know!/

and/or to express /inappropriate for a Guru IMHO/ arrogance- why you'll

ask? Bcs you are a knowledgeable and good guy, despite that, IMHO, again.

12.0pt">Warm wishes,

12.0pt">Anna

12.0pt">

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

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|Hare Rama

Krsna|

Dear A.R.

Namaskar.

Forgive me

for being ignorant. Please tell me what are the effects of having Jupiter in a

trine to the sun.

Best wishes,

 

V

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[bonamente108 ]

29 October 2004 02:03

 

RE: [sJC: Achyuta

Gurukul] retro planets/past life

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Visti,

12.0pt">You just elaborated around my statement-yes, that's so, these are

facts- not an issue- but you didn't respond to my question- would you

please read the whole message and respond to the Q?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">I copied Q in italic, to make it easier for you, Sir: "..the RULE is

that Ju is always retrograde when in TRINE

with the Sun which is highly desirable/beneficial case /IS IT NOT?/- if exact,

or almost so, it will be conj. in Nav. So,

where/and why/ is negative conotation coming from- as I have perceived /from

your message/- please clarify.'..

To remind you- it was about JuR you wrote

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Thanks,

12.0pt">Anna

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

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font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">|Hare Rama Krsna|

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">Dear A, Namaskar

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">When the Sun is exactly 120 degrees

in front of Jupiter, then Jupiter will turn retrograde. This will continue

until the Sun is exactly 240 degrees away from Jupiter, after which Jupiter

will turn direct. Same applies to Mars and Saturn.

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auto">

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10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> A.R. [bonamente108 ]

28 October 2004 00:29

 

Re: [sJC: Achyuta

Gurukul] retro planets/past life

 

Dear Visti,

I am nor sure I

understood you properly- for ex- the RULE is that Ju is always retrograde when

in TRINE with the Sun which is highly desirable/beneficial case- if exact, or

almost so, it will be conj. in Nav. So, where/and why/ is negative

conotation coming from- as I have perceived- please clarify.

Regards,

A.

 

---

In , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> |Hare Rama Krsna|

>

> Dear Vishwanatham, Namaskar

>

> Analyze in 2 steps;

>

> 1) Karaka

>

> 2)

Lordship

>

>

>

> I.e. if Jupiter is retrograde, then also

analyze 5th lord to see

whether the

> problem is in the area of children. Otherwise

see the lordship of

Jupiter

> and the Karaka's of the house which Jupiter

lords.

>

>

>

> If both the Karaka and the lordship have a

dosha, then make your

prediction.

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

>

>

>

> Visti Larsen

> <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> vishwanatham [vishwanatham@r...]

> 26 October 2004 05:26

>

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] retro planets/past

life

>

>

>

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Suchitra,

>

> Good question.

>

> Look at the naisargika karakatwa of the

planet. In case of Jupiter,

> say children.

>

> Second is look at the 7th from the planet.

That is because we are

> talking of desires(7th house) and every

planet(except moksha karaka

> Ketu) gives 7th house aspect! The retrograde

planet will give

results

> in the area of that house, which is in the

7th from it. This also

> explains, why a retrograde planet acts as

debilitated, when in

> exaltation sign and vice-versa.

>

> Generally, retro planets give results very

late, after a lot of

> effort! There was an exchange of mails a

couple of weeks ago.

Please

> have a look at them.

>

> In case of a retro Jupiter, the native may

have lot of desire for

> having children and adopt modern methods

(unconventional, which is

> not a Jupiterian trait, rather like a Rahu!)

to obtain children. (i

> am not judging any one here)

>

> Atmakaraka is a different thing. Car owner

(jeevatma) is going

> wherever the driver (mind) is taking. Car

itself is like the lagna,

> which the driver is more concerned about,

because here the owner is

a

> silent spectator! Try to understand retrograde

planets, without

> getting into AK, which is like a King's

desire, overrides

everything

> else.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> regards

> viswanadham

>

>

>

>

> ,

"suchitra_kamath"

> <suchitra_kamath> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Hello Viswanatham,

> >

> > I want to clarify myself from whatever I

understood from your

> > explanation.

> > Suppose a person has retrograde

Jupiter(house 5) and Mercury

(House

> > 1/Lagna).However the atmakarak is a NON

retrograde MArs,then

should

> > the interpretation for desire of atma be

taken as if Jupiter and

> > Mercury are also atmakarak other than

Mars ?

> >

> > An atmakarak Jupietr would mean caring

for family.

> > An atmakarak Mercury wouldmena trying to

speak truth always.

> >

> > So is

the atma desiring this or has the desire to do with

someother

> > thing which would be related to these

planets say knowledge for

> > Jupiter ?

> >

> > Regards

> > Suchitra

> > ,

"gilimary alvey"

> > <lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:

> > > Dear Vishwanathan,

> > > Yes. That is how I understood

it too. Thanks for explaining

it

> > so well to

> > > us all.

> > > Love,

> > > Gili

> > >

> > > >"vishwanatham"

<vishwanatham@r...>

> > > >

 

> > > >To:

 

> > > >[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

Re: retro planets/past life

> > > >Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:42:41

-0000

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Hare Rama Krishna

> > > >

> > > >Dear Gili & others,

> > > >

> > > >It has been said by Guruji

& others, like Visti, that Retro

> > planets

> > > >are more like the Nodes.

> > > >

> > > >The path of Sun & Moon is

followed by planets when they are in

> > > >forward motion.

> > > >

> > > >This also explains why Rahu

& Ketu in Vedic astrology are

> *always*

> > > >retro.

> > > >

> > > >While Ketu points to moksha, it

is implied that the birth

occured

> > > >because moksha did not take

place. It is understandable to

most

> > that

> > > >Rahu is a karmic planet.

> > > >

> > > >So it is retro planets, which

act like Rahu. It is unfulfilled

> > > >desires, which carry us from

one life to another.. it is Rahu

> > giving

> > > >us a new birth (Varaha avatara

resurrecting the earth,

symbolises

> > > >rebirth), which is always

opposing Ketu sitting in the 7th

house.

> > > >

> > > >The logic for rebirth, pointing

to the retro planets (apart

from

> > > >Rahu), is clear i think.

> > > >

> > > >This is only my loud thinking.

> > >

>

10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">

> > > >Thanks & regards

> > > >viswanadham

> > > >--- In

, "gilimary alvey"

> > > ><lopamudraxxx@h...>

wrote:

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > I heard Sanjay say once

that retro planets are strong

desires

> > from

> > > >past

> > > > > life. Perhaps we

should check with him.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Gili

> > > > >

> > > > > >"Ramapriya

D" <hubli@h...>

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >To:

<>

> > > > > >Re: [sJC:

Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul]

Re:

> > > >Achyuta

> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde

exalted saturn in 6th House

> > > > > >Sun, 24 Oct

2004 19:04:06 +0400

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Hi there Pratibha,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I've heard that too.

Kind of adds up, isn't it? Karmic

> desires

> > > >might stem

> > > > > >from what price there

is yet unpaid, which can mean those

> that

> > > >curses

> > > > > >bestow. Honestly,

this curse-karma-rebirth road is one I

> don't

> > > >much travel

> > >

> > >on

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Cheers,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Ramapriya

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -----

Original Message -----

> > > > > >

Orchid

> > > > > > To:

 

> > > > > > Sent:

Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:10 AM

> > > > > > Subject:

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta

Gurukul]

> > Re:

> > > >Achyuta

> > > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde

exalted saturn in 6th House

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear

Ramapriya,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry to

jump in, but in your reply you said that Retro

> > planets

> > > >indicate

> > > > > >curses of a past

life. Could you elaborate on that. I

> remember

> > > >reading that

> > > > > >retro means, that

this rebirth is due to a storng desire

> from

> > a

> > > >past life,

> > > > > >or does that apply

only to a retro AK?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Would

appreciate your comments.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > Pratibha

> > > > >

> > > > >

> >

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wrote:

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|Hare

Rama Krsna|

Dear

Vishwanatham, Namaskar

Analyze

in 2 steps;

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">1)

color:navy">Karaka

font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy">2)

color:navy">Lordship

 

I.e. if

Jupiter is retrograde, then also analyze 5th lord to see whether the problem is

in the area of children. Otherwise see the lordship of Jupiter and the

Karaka!/s of the house which Jupiter lords.

 

If both the

Karaka and the lordship have a dosha, then make your prediction.

Best wishes,

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">vishwanatham

[vishwanatham (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com]

26 October 2004 05:26

 

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

retro planets/past life

12.0pt">

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Suchitra,

Good question.

Look at the naisargika karakatwa of the planet. In

case of Jupiter,

say children.

Second is look at the 7th from the planet. That is

because we are

talking of desires(7th house) and every

planet(except moksha karaka

Ketu) gives 7th house aspect! The retrograde

planet will give results

in the area of that house, which is in the 7th

from it. This also

explains, why a retrograde planet acts as

debilitated, when in

exaltation sign and vice-versa.

Generally, retro planets give results very late,

after a lot of

effort! There was an exchange of mails a couple of

weeks ago. Please

have a look at them.

In case of a retro Jupiter, the native may have

lot of desire for

having children and adopt modern methods

(unconventional, which is

not a Jupiterian trait, rather like a Rahu!) to

obtain children. (i

am not judging any one here)

Atmakaraka is a different thing. Car owner

(jeevatma) is going

wherever the driver (mind) is taking. Car itself

is like the lagna,

which the driver is more concerned about, because

here the owner is a

silent spectator! Try to understand retrograde

planets, without

getting into AK, which is like a King's desire,

overrides everything

else.

Hope this helps.

regards

viswanadham

,

"suchitra_kamath"

<suchitra_kamath> wrote:

>

>

>

> Hello Viswanatham,

>

> I want to clarify myself from whatever I

understood from your

> explanation.

> Suppose a person has retrograde Jupiter(house

5) and Mercury(House

> 1/Lagna).However the atmakarak is a NON

retrograde MArs,then should

> the interpretation for desire of atma be

taken as if Jupiter and

> Mercury are also atmakarak other than Mars ?

>

> An atmakarak Jupietr would mean caring for

family.

> An atmakarak Mercury wouldmena trying to

speak truth always.

>

> So is the atma desiring this or has the

desire to do with someother

> thing which would be related to these planets

say knowledge for

> Jupiter ?

>

> Regards

> Suchitra

> ,

"gilimary alvey"

> <lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Vishwanathan,

> > Yes. That is how I understood it

too. Thanks for explaining it

> so well to

> > us all.

> > Love,

> > Gili

> >

> > >"vishwanatham"

<vishwanatham@r...>

> > >

 

> > >

> > >[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

retro planets/past life

> > >Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:42:41

-0000

> > >

> > >

> > >Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > >Dear Gili & others,

> > >

> > >It has been said by Guruji &

others, like Visti, that Retro

> planets

> > >are more like the Nodes.

> > >

> > >The path of Sun & Moon is

followed by planets when they are in

> > >forward motion.

> > >

> > >This also explains why Rahu &

Ketu in Vedic astrology are

*always*

> > >retro.

> > >

> > >While Ketu points to moksha, it is

implied that the birth occured

> > >because moksha did not take place.

It is understandable to most

> that

> > >Rahu is a karmic planet.

> > >

> > >So it is retro planets, which act

like Rahu. It is unfulfilled

> > >desires, which carry us from one

life to another.. it is Rahu

> giving

> > >us a new birth (Varaha avatara

resurrecting the earth, symbolises

> > >rebirth), which is always opposing

Ketu sitting in the 7th house.

> > >

> > >The logic for rebirth, pointing to

the retro planets (apart from

> > >Rahu), is clear i think.

> > >

> > >This is only my loud thinking.

> > >

> > >Thanks & regards

> > >viswanadham

> > >,

"gilimary alvey"

> > ><lopamudraxxx@h...> wrote:

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > I heard Sanjay say once that

retro planets are strong desires

> from

> > >past

> > > > life. Perhaps we should

check with him.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Gili

> > > >

> > > > >"Ramapriya

D" <hubli@h...>

> > > > >

 

> > > > >To:

<>

> > > > >Re: [sJC: Achyuta

Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

> > >Achyuta

> > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde

exalted saturn in 6th House

> > > > >Sun, 24 Oct 2004

19:04:06 +0400

> > > > >

> > > > >Hi there Pratibha,

> > > > >

> > > > >I've heard that too. Kind

of adds up, isn't it? Karmic

desires

> >

>might stem

> > > > >from what price there is

yet unpaid, which can mean those

that

> > >curses

> > > > >bestow. Honestly, this

curse-karma-rebirth road is one I

don't

> > >much travel

> > > > >on

> > > > >

> > > > >Cheers,

> > > > >

> > > > >Ramapriya

> > > > >

> > >

> > -

> > > > > Orchid

> > > > > To:

 

> > > > > Sunday,

October 24, 2004 7:10 AM

> > > > > Re:

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul]

> Re:

> > >Achyuta

> > > > >Gurukul] Retrograde

exalted saturn in 6th House

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear

Ramapriya,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry to jump

in, but in your reply you said that Retro

> planets

> > >indicate

> > > > >curses of a past life.

Could you elaborate on that. I

remember

> > >reading that

> > > > >retro means, that this

rebirth is due to a storng desire

from

> a

> > >past life,

> > > > >or does that apply only to

a retro AK?

> > > > >

> > > > > Would

appreciate your comments.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Pratibha

> > > >

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