[SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] The Riddle of Fate and Free-Will Solved

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Shivaye

 

 

Dear Mr Mahendra,

 

You are completely right this is one of the best articles I have read on this

highly debatable topic so much so it remains saved on my hard disc.

 

But it does not put and end to debate and is infact a beginning to a lot of

questions an astrologer (specially a student)encounters.

 

How does one relate to the present karma a native is doing in this birth.Can

astrology really explain what the individual is doing in this birth..isn't

freewill already defined in the chart ...i.e. the ability to the right karma

and the course to spiritual evolution already laid down.Then where is free

will.

 

If there is free will(which I personally feel is there)then...astrology paves

the way to eternal bliss

 

How many times does a practicing astrologer relate this back to the advise

he/she gives on a practical level.Yes there is talk about remedies prayers

devotion to Isht Dev ...but don't most practicising astrologers neglect good

old advise on ethics principal right /wrong (in essence good and bad karma)

which is the sacred thread the creation is woven from(and in fact the warp and

weft of astrology).Didn't God create this entire cycle for jeev to evolve and

be close with him paramatma and Jyotish the divine science to give an inkling

how to achieve this......

 

Are not relationships defined by rinbandhans ,aspirations by left over wishes

from last birth ,talents as blessing from the past .A simple explanation on

the same help would help most people .......in not only coming to terms with

circumstances in this life but evolve as better and happier individuals in

future lives and follow this karmic evolution.

 

Simply put why run from the lesson one is supposed to learn ,let life it be your

teacher,but no matter what do the right thing don't fail yr ideals ,put the

right effort ..don't give up on people or relationships ...... be patient .and

smile when miracles happen.

 

Yes they do ...... and that's gods prerogative ..

 

"Kar Bhala to Ho Bhala"

 

Regards

Nisha Malik

 

 

 

-

Mahendra Goyal

 

Monday, October 18, 2004 3:43 PM

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] The Riddle of Fate and Free-Will Solved

Hi All,

 

This is for the benefit of all the best and most clear article

on the never ending topic.

 

It puts the debate to end!!!

 

http://wwwadvaita.nl/read_eng/fate_and_free_will.htm

 

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Thanks for the link.... it is realy inspiring.

 

Pawan GuptaMahendra Goyal <mahendragoyal > wrote:

Hi All,

 

This is for the benefit of all the best and most clear article

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It puts the debate to end!!!

 

http://www.advaita.nl/read_eng/fate_and_free_will.htm

 

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Dear Mahendra,

 

I think that is the best piece I have come across so far on fate and

free will. Thanks for sharing it on this forum.

 

It is interesting to know the link between the past, the present and

the future. As somebody said, the past is history and the future is a

mystery so we need to concentrate on the present. The present is full

of a million possibilities. What we choose from moment to moment is

what we become.

 

If the choice is made with the highest aspirations of the Self what

is it that we need to fear? Planets lose their control over you then.

And life becomes so much colorful and interesting. This is what the

great masters say, don't they?

 

Regards,

 

Vinita

 

Vinita

 

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Dear Nisha,

 

Please look at my comments below.

 

I hope it helps you to get the doubts cleared

 

Best Wishes

Mahendra

Om Namah Shivaya

 

 

, "nisha malik" <nisha1970@h...>

wrote:

> Om Gurave Namah

Om Namah Shivaye

>

>

> Dear Mr Mahendra,

>

> You are completely right this is one of the best articles I have

read on this highly debatable topic so much so it remains saved on my

hard disc.

>

> But it does not put and end to debate and is infact a beginning to

a lot of questions an astrologer (specially a student)encounters.

>

> How does one relate to the present karma a native is doing in this

birth.Can astrology really explain what the individual is doing in

this birth..isn't freewill already defined in the chart ...i.e. the

ability to the right karma and the course to spiritual evolution

already laid down.Then where is free will.

 

------Sanjay rathji says that there is 33.33% free will if I

recollect correctly in the chart. There also a way to check the

individual has gone grossly using a prasna chart and comparing with

the natal chart where in if the prasna chart is better off means the

native has done good karmas. After reading the article what I feel is

that the free will is there to over come you bad karmas, so the onus

is on you to make more efforts for what you want to achieve and at

the same time do some good karmas to help get rid of your bad karmas.

 

 

> If there is free will(which I personally feel is there)

then...astrology paves the way to eternal bliss

 

------My spiritual journey started when I went through my saturn

bhukti which made me pay a lot for my past life karmas. At that time

I started wondering as to why did I have to go through all that.

Looking for the answer I came to astrology and after studying a lot

that to the groups started by sanjayji and other gurus and members I

realised that ultimatley its the karmas that matter. Again a new

search was on for me to look for that ultimate solution to get rid of

karmas and to know the whole reason for this life we live. Thats how

I landed up into spirituality and delving deeper realised that the

first and fore most you need a initiation from spiritual guru.

 

Eternal bliss can only be attained by meditation. But even that by

yourself might take a few births. solution is to have a guru and get

Shaktipath (The guru transfers his spiritual energy into the disciple

to raise his kundalini) and when the kundalini is reached shasrara

you shall attain moksha and this is the only way to get rid of birth

after birth else it might take you countless lives to get moksha.

Also as the kundalini rises the karmas in the shushumna are burnt and

you progress both materially and spiritually.

 

 

>

> How many times does a practicing astrologer relate this back to the

advise he/she gives on a practical level.Yes there is talk about

remedies prayers devotion to Isht Dev ...but don't most practicising

astrologers neglect good old advise on ethics principal right /wrong

(in essence good and bad karma) which is the sacred thread the

creation is woven from(and in fact the warp and weft of

astrology).Didn't God create this entire cycle for jeev to evolve and

be close with him paramatma and Jyotish the divine science to give an

inkling how to achieve this......

>

> Are not relationships defined by rinbandhans ,aspirations by left

over wishes from last birth ,talents as blessing from the past .A

simple explanation on the same help would help most people .......in

not only coming to terms with circumstances in this life but evolve

as better and happier individuals in future lives and follow this

karmic evolution.

 

--------when the jeevatma after death goes up shes told that she

still gotta get rid of many karmas before shes allowed to enter so

then the jeevatma is asked to go back to earth and get rid of the

redidue karmas. The jeevatma chooses a family that will best allow

her to get rid of the karmas. But after it reached earth the maya

starts getting heavy on it and soon it forgets its real purpose and

might end up adding more karmas. If you might be knowing scientists

have found that kids for first few years have memories of their past

lives.

 

> Simply put why run from the lesson one is supposed to learn ,let

life it be your teacher,but no matter what do the right thing don't

fail yr ideals ,put the right effort ..don't give up on people or

relationships ..... be patient .and smile when miracles happen.

>

> Yes they do ...... and that's gods prerogative ..

>

> "Kar Bhala to Ho Bhala"

 

-------You are absolutely right!!!

 

>

> Regards

> Nisha Malik

>

>

>

> -

> Mahendra Goyal

>

> Monday, October 18, 2004 3:43 PM

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] The Riddle of Fate and Free-Will

Solved

>

>

> Hi All,

>

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> on the never ending topic.

>

> It puts the debate to end!!!

>

> http://www.advaita.nl/read_eng/fate_and_free_will.htm

>

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> Mahendra

>

>

> Om Gam Ganapataye Namah

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Dear Mahendra,

 

Thank you for your reply .Now that you have told me about the prasana I

definitely want to get it done maybe that will explain why my life isn't quite

as tough as the chart predicts......hopefully I have been doing the right Karma

and will continue to do so.. but whichever way life be .......understanding

karma helps to get through tough times,difficult relationships (understanding

rinbandhans etc) and brings you closer to understanding the ways of almighty.

 

 

It also explains why at times an astrologer can fail in his predictions because

if one goes by the kundali he/she may not realize what bad has been nullified

by good and vice versa for the native.

 

I empathize with you totally on you experiences because my rahu in rahu dasha

also brought me into learning astrology and develop my interest in

spirituality.I also agree totally with you that "guru"( both astrologically

speaking as well as metaphorically)will always raise the shishya spiritually

 

I also agree that Maya can come down heavily on the jeevatma but ...if the

karmas remain good and one follows the voice of the inner conscience then one

can be united with god here itself - god is in goodness

 

Iswarah sarva bhootanam hriddeshe arjuna tishthati

bhramayan sarva bhootani yantrarodhani mayaya(Bhagavat Geeta)

 

"Ishwara resides .o arjuna at the centre of all beings and they turn and spin by

his uncanny power like puppets on a machine"

 

" The one is all and the all is one"

 

"He moves he moves not.He is far and He is near He is withen all and He is

outside all "( isa upanishad).

 

If bhakti is strong then moksha is really here isnt it ?

 

Maya is just an obstacle and test .Good karmas break the web spun by it,both

materially and spiritually(so as you do... so you get)

 

And then there is Sat Chit Ananda

 

 

regards

nisha

 

 

---- Original Message -----

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Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:21 PM

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] The Riddle of Fate and Free-Will Solved

Dear Nisha,Please look at my comments below.I hope it helps you to get the

doubts clearedBest WishesMahendraOm Namah Shivaya--- In

, "nisha malik" <nisha1970@h...> wrote:> Om Gurave

Namah Om Namah Shivaye> > >

Dear Mr Mahendra,> > You are completely right this is one of the best articles

I have read on this highly debatable topic so much so it remains saved on my

hard disc.> > But it does not put and end to debate and is infact a beginning

to a lot of questions an astrologer (specially a student)encounters.> > How

does one relate to the present karma a native is doing in this birth.Can

astrology really explain what the individual is doing in this birth..isn't

freewill already defined in the chart ...i.e. the ability to the right karma

and the course to spiritual evolution already laid down.Then where is free

will. ------Sanjay rathji says that there is 33.33% free will if I recollect

correctly in the chart. There also a way to check the individual has gone

grossly using a prasna chart and comparing with the natal chart where in if the

prasna chart is better off means the native has done good karmas. After reading

the article what I feel is that the free will is there to over come you bad

karmas, so the onus is on you to make more efforts for what you want to achieve

and at the same time do some good karmas to help get rid of your bad karmas.> If

there is free will(which I personally feel is there)then...astrology paves the

way to eternal bliss ------My spiritual journey started when I went through my

saturn bhukti which made me pay a lot for my past life karmas. At that time I

started wondering as to why did I have to go through all that. Looking for the

answer I came to astrology and after studying a lot that to the groups started

by sanjayji and other gurus and members I realised that ultimatley its the

karmas that matter. Again a new search was on for me to look for that ultimate

solution to get rid of karmas and to know the whole reason for this life we

live. Thats how I landed up into spirituality and delving deeper realised that

the first and fore most you need a initiation from spiritual guru.Eternal bliss

can only be attained by meditation. But even that by yourself might take a few

births. solution is to have a guru and get Shaktipath (The guru transfers his

spiritual energy into the disciple to raise his kundalini) and when the

kundalini is reached shasrara you shall attain moksha and this is the only way

to get rid of birth after birth else it might take you countless lives to get

moksha. Also as the kundalini rises the karmas in the shushumna are burnt and

you progress both materially and spiritually.> > How many times does a

practicing astrologer relate this back to the advise he/she gives on a

practical level.Yes there is talk about remedies prayers devotion to Isht Dev

....but don't most practicising astrologers neglect good old advise on ethics

principal right /wrong (in essence good and bad karma) which is the sacred

thread the creation is woven from(and in fact the warp and weft of

astrology).Didn't God create this entire cycle for jeev to evolve and be close

with him paramatma and Jyotish the divine science to give an inkling how to

achieve this......> > Are not relationships defined by rinbandhans ,aspirations

by left over wishes from last birth ,talents as blessing from the past .A simple

explanation on the same help would help most people .......in not only coming

to terms with circumstances in this life but evolve as better and happier

individuals in future lives and follow this karmic evolution.--------when the

jeevatma after death goes up shes told that she still gotta get rid of many

karmas before shes allowed to enter so then the jeevatma is asked to go back

to earth and get rid of the redidue karmas. The jeevatma chooses a family that

will best allow her to get rid of the karmas. But after it reached earth the

maya starts getting heavy on it and soon it forgets its real purpose and might

end up adding more karmas. If you might be knowing scientists have found that

kids for first few years have memories of their past lives. > Simply put why

run from the lesson one is supposed to learn ,let life it be your teacher,but

no matter what do the right thing don't fail yr ideals ,put the right effort

...don't give up on people or relationships .... be patient .and smile when

miracles happen. > > Yes they do ...... and that's gods prerogative .> >

"Kar Bhala to Ho Bhala" -------You are absolutely right!!!> > Regards> Nisha

Malik> > > > - > Mahendra Goyal > To:

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Dear Vishwanadham,

 

Thank you .......... whenever you answer or reply back .it is always a

learning experience .

 

In essence would you not agree .....that only bad karma would have the effect of

binding us down and not good karma .So the key word is good and therefore

God.(isnt dharamkarmaadhiapati yoga in essence that do the karma in accordance

to your dharma)

 

The atma is always trying to achieve oneness with the paramatma...good karma

releases us from all ties........and get us closer to purer sattvik

selves(isn't that every atmas gati and isn't that the real I) .(do also read

my reply to Mahendra ji)

 

yada sattve pravrddhe tu

pralayam yati deha -bhrt

tadottama-vidam lokan

amalan pratipadyate

srimad bhagavad -gita

*During the predominance of sattva(goodness) when the embodied being dies he

attains to the pure world of those who knows the highest Brahman"

 

Free will exists to help us realize the pure "I" which we may lose by succumbing

to Maya. Good Karmas help to penetrate the shroud of Maya and let light into

the soul whereas bad karmas is just what perpetuates Maya........u remain bound

to the cycle .........

 

Karma does not bind ........always ....it can be the greatest liberating force

specially if done without any expectation to the fruits

 

Please do reply and correct me if I have made any errors in understanding

 

 

regards

Nisha

 

 

 

-

vishwanatham

 

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:28 AM

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] The Riddle of Fate and Free-Will Solved

Hare Rama KrishnaDear Nisha,Allow me to jump in!i just tried to answer one

question of yours. (In Caps) xcuse me writing in caps(i am not trying to

shout),as writing from the web formatting is not possible!regardsviswanadham---

In , "nisha malik" <nisha1970@h...> wrote:> Om

Gurave Namah Om Namah

Shivaye> > > Dear Mr Mahendra,> > You are completely right this is one of the

best articles I have read on this highly debatable topic so much so it remains

saved on my hard disc.> > But it does not put and end to debate and is infact

a beginning to a lot of questions an astrologer (specially a

student)encounters.> > How does one relate to the present karma a native is

doing in this birth.Can astrology really explain what the individual is doing

in this birth..isn't freewill already defined in the chart ...i.e. the ability

to the right karma and the course to spiritual evolution already laid

down.Then where is free will. > INDEED A VERY NICE ARTICLE. IT SAYS THAT KARMA

IS A RESULT OF EXCERSISE OF OUR FREE WILL IN OUR PAST LIFE (s).THE ARTICLE

MAKES A FINE DISTINCTION BETWEEN 'VASANAS' AND 'KARMA'. USING FREE WILL ONE CAN

CHANGE 'VASANAS'. SO IF I AM TELLING LIES, I DO NOT HAVE TO SAY THAT IT IS MY

KARMA!HERE 'EFFORTS'IS THE KEY WORD. WHAT I FEEL NEEDS TO BE DEFINED IS THE

WORD 'I', 'MY' etc. THEN we can understand FREE WILL IS OF who and why WE ARE

GETTING BOUNDED BY KARMA (WHICH IS CREATED BY OUR EXCERCISE OF FREE WILL). If

'i' is our mind & body, then we are getting bounded. SO IT BECOMES IMPORTANT TO

KNOW THE GATI OF OUR ATMA! (AK & ISHTA COME IN HERE). WHEN YOU USE YOUR FREE

WILL (TO CHANGE YOUR 'VASANAS') TO FOLLOW YOUR ATMA's GATI, THEN YOUR FREE WILL

IS TRULY FREED! THIS LEADS TO MOKSHA. (ALSO READ 'COMING BACK' BY BHAKTI VEDANTA

BOOK TRUST).9TH HOUSE SIGNIFIES, WHY A SAINT IS A SAINT, WHEREAS 5TH HOUSE IS

THE KEY FOR A SINNER - TO KNOW WHAT IS THE FUTURE? (BOTH ARE IN DHARMA

TRIKONA)YES GOD IS EVER SO KIND! EVERY BIT OF ADVANCEMENT TOWARDS SPIRITUALITY

IS ADDED & NOTHING IS SUBTRACTED, TO QUALIFY ONE FOR ANOTHER HUMAN LIFE, TO

MAKE ONE MORE ATTEMPT AT 'MOKSHA', till the Goal is achieved! HE does not

punish anyone, coming back to Bhu loka is itself a punishment! THEN THERE ARE

800,000+ SPECIES ON THIS EARTH AND TAKING BIRTH AS ANY ONE OF THEM IS A

PUNISHMENT. STARTING ALL OVER AGAIN!!IS IT NOT TRUE THAT WE SUBTLY WORK TO

CREATE ANOTHER BODY FOR OUR FUTURE LIFE, AND THEN ANOTHER BODY, AND THEN YET

ANOTHER BODY... AND THEN GRIEVE THAT WE ARE BOUNDED BY KARMA. (you can see the

free will working here to bind us!)SO FREE WILL does EXIST, how it works

DEPENDS ON, HOW WE DEFINE 'i' & its goal. Simply put, you want liberation or

you want to be bounded by karma?Unfortunately,liberation in pratical life is

less enticing than the other alternative. This is 'maya'! Yes Astrologers are

also within the boundaries of 'maya'. (We need to think why the qualifications

for an astrologer are so stiff!). i'll stop here.> If there is free will(which

I personally feel is there)then...astrology paves the way to eternal bliss > >

How many times does a practicing astrologer relate this back to the advise

he/she gives on a practical level.Yes there is talk about remedies prayers

devotion to Isht Dev ...but don't most practicising astrologers neglect good

old advise on ethics principal right /wrong (in essence good and bad karma)

which is the sacred thread the creation is woven from(and in fact the warp and

weft of astrology).Didn't God create this entire cycle for jeev to evolve and

be close with him paramatma and Jyotish the divine science to give an inkling

how to achieve this......> > Are not relationships defined by rinbandhans

,aspirations by left over wishes from last birth ,talents as blessing from the

past .A simple explanation on the same help would help most people .......in

not only coming to terms with circumstances in this life but evolve as better

and happier individuals in future lives and follow this karmic evolution.> >

Simply put why run from the lesson one is supposed to learn ,let life it be

your teacher,but no matter what do the right thing don't fail yr ideals ,put

the right effort ..don't give up on people or relationships ..... be patient

..and smile when miracles happen. > > Yes they do ...... and that's gods

prerogative .> > "Kar Bhala to Ho Bhala" > > Regards> Nisha Malik> > [Om

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Om sri mahaganapataye namah

Dear Nisha,

I would add that only acting in Cosmic consciousness (when we

realized atma) doesn't bind us (karma yoga) and what leads us to

that is transcending-- "nistraigunyo bhavarjuna..."-go beyond

(transcend) three gunas, "yogasthah kurukarmani..."-established in

Self (atma),act!

srimad bhagavadgita

Best wishes,

Voya

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "nisha malik" <nisha1970@h...>

wrote:

> Om Gurave

Namah

Om Namah Shivaye

>

> Dear Vishwanadham,

>

> Thank you ........... whenever you answer or reply back .it

is always a learning experience .

>

> In essence would you not agree .....that only bad karma would have

the effect of binding us down and not good karma .So the key word

is good and therefore God.(isnt dharamkarmaadhiapati yoga in essence

that do the karma in accordance to your dharma)

>

> The atma is always trying to achieve oneness with the

paramatma...good karma releases us from all ties........and get us

closer to purer sattvik selves(isn't that every atmas gati and

isn't that the real I) (do also read my reply to Mahendra ji)

>

> yada sattve pravrddhe tu

> pralayam yati deha -bhrt

> tadottama-vidam lokan

> amalan pratipadyate

> srimad bhagavad -gita

> *During the predominance of sattva(goodness) when the embodied

being dies he attains to the pure world of those who knows the

highest Brahman"

>

> Free will exists to help us realize the pure "I" which we may lose

by succumbing to Maya. Good Karmas help to penetrate the shroud of

Maya and let light into the soul whereas bad karmas is just what

perpetuates Maya........u remain bound to the cycle .........

>

> Karma does not bind ........always ....it can be the greatest

liberating force specially if done without any expectation to the

fruits

>

> Please do reply and correct me if I have made any errors in

understanding

>

>

> regards

> Nisha

>

>

>

> -

> vishwanatham

>

> Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:28 AM

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] The Riddle of Fate and Free-Will

Solved

>

>

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Nisha,

>

> Allow me to jump in!

>

> i just tried to answer one question of yours. (In Caps) xcuse me

> writing in caps(i am not trying to shout),as writing from the

web

> formatting is not possible!

>

> regards

> viswanadham

>

>

> , "nisha malik"

<nisha1970@h...>

> wrote:

> > Om Gurave

Namah

> Om Namah Shivaye

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr Mahendra,

> >

> > You are completely right this is one of the best articles I

have

> read on this highly debatable topic so much so it remains saved

on my

> hard disc.

> >

> > But it does not put and end to debate and is infact a

beginning to

> a lot of questions an astrologer (specially a student)encounters.

> >

> > How does one relate to the present karma a native is doing in

this

> birth.Can astrology really explain what the individual is

doing in

> this birth..isn't freewill already defined in the chart ...i.e.

the

> ability to the right karma and the course to spiritual

evolution

> already laid down.Then where is free will.

> >

>

> INDEED A VERY NICE ARTICLE.

> IT SAYS THAT KARMA IS A RESULT OF EXCERSISE OF OUR FREE WILL IN

OUR

> PAST LIFE (s).THE ARTICLE MAKES A FINE DISTINCTION

BETWEEN 'VASANAS'

> AND 'KARMA'. USING FREE WILL ONE CAN CHANGE 'VASANAS'. SO IF I

AM

> TELLING LIES, I DO NOT HAVE TO SAY THAT IT IS MY KARMA!

> HERE 'EFFORTS'IS THE KEY WORD.

>

> WHAT I FEEL NEEDS TO BE DEFINED IS THE WORD 'I', 'MY' etc. THEN

we

> can understand FREE WILL IS OF who and why WE ARE GETTING

BOUNDED BY

> KARMA (WHICH IS CREATED BY OUR EXCERCISE OF FREE WILL). If 'i'

is our

> mind & body, then we are getting bounded.

>

> SO IT BECOMES IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE GATI OF OUR ATMA! (AK &

ISHTA

> COME IN HERE). WHEN YOU USE YOUR FREE WILL (TO CHANGE

YOUR 'VASANAS')

> TO FOLLOW YOUR ATMA's GATI, THEN YOUR FREE WILL IS TRULY FREED!

THIS

> LEADS TO MOKSHA. (ALSO READ 'COMING BACK' BY BHAKTI VEDANTA BOOK

> TRUST).

>

> 9TH HOUSE SIGNIFIES, WHY A SAINT IS A SAINT, WHEREAS 5TH HOUSE

IS THE

> KEY FOR A SINNER - TO KNOW WHAT IS THE FUTURE? (BOTH ARE IN

DHARMA

> TRIKONA)

>

> YES GOD IS EVER SO KIND! EVERY BIT OF ADVANCEMENT TOWARDS

> SPIRITUALITY IS ADDED & NOTHING IS SUBTRACTED, TO QUALIFY ONE

FOR

> ANOTHER HUMAN LIFE, TO MAKE ONE MORE ATTEMPT AT 'MOKSHA', till

the

> Goal is achieved! HE does not punish anyone, coming back to Bhu

loka

> is itself a punishment! THEN THERE ARE 800,000+ SPECIES ON THIS

> EARTH AND TAKING BIRTH AS ANY ONE OF THEM IS A PUNISHMENT.

STARTING

> ALL OVER AGAIN!!

>

> IS IT NOT TRUE THAT WE SUBTLY WORK TO CREATE ANOTHER BODY FOR

OUR

> FUTURE LIFE, AND THEN ANOTHER BODY, AND THEN YET ANOTHER BODY...

AND

> THEN GRIEVE THAT WE ARE BOUNDED BY KARMA. (you can see the free

will

> working here to bind us!)

>

> SO FREE WILL does EXIST, how it works DEPENDS ON, HOW WE

DEFINE 'i' &

> its goal. Simply put, you want liberation or you want to be

bounded

> by karma?

>

> Unfortunately,liberation in pratical life is less enticing than

the

> other alternative. This is 'maya'! Yes Astrologers are also

within

> the boundaries of 'maya'. (We need to think why the

qualifications

> for an astrologer are so stiff!). i'll stop here.

>

>

> > If there is free will(which I personally feel is there)

> then...astrology paves the way to eternal bliss

> >

> > How many times does a practicing astrologer relate this back

to the

> advise he/she gives on a practical level.Yes there is talk about

> remedies prayers devotion to Isht Dev ...but don't most

practicising

> astrologers neglect good old advise on ethics principal

right /wrong

> (in essence good and bad karma) which is the sacred thread the

> creation is woven from(and in fact the warp and weft of

> astrology).Didn't God create this entire cycle for jeev to

evolve and

> be close with him paramatma and Jyotish the divine science to

give an

> inkling how to achieve this......

> >

> > Are not relationships defined by rinbandhans ,aspirations by

left

> over wishes from last birth ,talents as blessing from the

past .A

> simple explanation on the same help would help most

people .......in

> not only coming to terms with circumstances in this life but

evolve

> as better and happier individuals in future lives and follow

this

> karmic evolution.

> >

> > Simply put why run from the lesson one is supposed to

learn ,let

> life it be your teacher,but no matter what do the right thing

don't

> fail yr ideals ,put the right effort ..don't give up on people

or

> relationships ..... be patient .and smile when miracles

happen.

> >

> > Yes they do ...... and that's gods prerogative ..

> >

> > "Kar Bhala to Ho Bhala"

> >

> > Regards

> > Nisha Malik

> >

> >

>

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> [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah]

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