Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 - "vishwanatham" <vishwanatham <> Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:00 AM [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Correct Birth Timing > Om Krishna Guru > > Dear Saaji, > > In his 1st lecture in part-2 of the recording, PVR expressed as his > view and of his parampara that: > > 1. Sighting the Head for Krita yuga > 2. Bhu Patana for the Treta Yuga > 3. Cutting the umbilicus for the Dwapara yuga > 4. First cry of the baby for Kaliyuga. > > He also said that there is no agreement among scholars on this and > that rectification of BT is essential. > > This is not the first time i heard about it... though i do not > remember where exactly! > > Hope this helps. > > You are right about Nadiamsas and artha nadiamsas giving a 24 sec > window. Even using 16 divisions, one may rectify upto a few seconds. > > regards > viswanadham > , "saaji kulangara" <saajik > wrote: > > Dear Sri Vishvanadham, > > > > I couldn't download those lectures as my internet connectivity is > > poor. Would you please quote a gist of his lecture connected to > this. > > I'd like to know abt other yugas as well. Please also let me know > > whether he quotes any PRAMAANAM. > > > > You have rightly pointed out that this is not an issue compared to > > Ayanamsha. Whatever time we choose we have to do rectification, if > we > > can find the correct Nadi, we can fix up to 24 sec approx! > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Saaji > > > > > > , "vishwanatham" > > <vishwanatham@r...> wrote: > > > Om Krishna Guru > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > An interesting topic, which was many times discussed on this list > > > before. > > > > > > Just a few pointers : > > > > > > 1. If you are listening to PVR's lectures at Boston, it is First > > cry > > > that is applicable in Kaliyuga.Four definitions for the four > > > Yugas.Pls listen to his lectures. > > > > > > 2. Baby is respirating fluids, when in the womb. Fluids carry > > > Oxygen.When the pulsations completely stop in the Umbilicus, baby > > > automatically starts breathing for air(first cry). Doctors are > > > supposed to cut the umbilicus, when the pulsations completely > stop, > > > to allow the flow of vital fluids to the baby. So, cutting > > umbilicus > > > could work as a proxy, if done properly i.e., if the umbilicus is > > Not > > > clamped & cut for some reasons, when fluids are still flowing. > > > > > > 3. Exceptions only confirm rules! > > > > > > When compared to differences in Ayanamsa etc., definition of BT > is > > > only an academic issue! > > > > > > regards > > > viswanadham > > > , "dhamakesin" > <dhamakesin@s...> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Ramapriya and Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > It is an interesting question about how to define the instant > of > > > > birth. You know there is some variation in the method of > births > > in > > > > humans and placental animals. In some animals the cord breaks > > > > naturally, and in others they chew it off. Of course in humans > > the > > > > cord is usually cut. There is a method of birth called 'lotus > > > birth' > > > > where the cord is not cut but naturally separates. The > placenta > > is > > > > delivered about 10-15 minutes after delivery, and the placenta > is > > > > kept with the baby until it naturally separates (about four > days > > > > later). > > > > > > > > Some consider the moment of birth as the touching of the baby's > > > head > > > > to the ground during a squatting birth. You could just say the > > > birth > > > > time is the moment the baby is completely outside (breathing or > > > > not). Could this question be answered by considering different > > > times > > > > for various charts for babies that experienced different styles > > of > > > > birth? We have the following possibilities: > > > > > > > > head touches the ground (may not occur in all cases) > > > > completely outside mother > > > > first breath (may not occur in all cases) > > > > separation of cord > > > > > > > > Obtaining this information would be rare. This uncertainty > > favors > > > > rectifying all charts. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Dhamakesin > > > > > > > > , "Ramapriya D" <hubli@h...> > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > I know I'm treading thin ice when I've to give an opinion > that > > > > isn't analogous with yours but this is one such instance. > > > > > My considered view is that the baby is born the instant the > > > > placenta gets detached from the mother; that happens at the > > instant > > > > when the body is outside the mother... unless you the vet > refute > > it > > > > (you must have delivered a mammal or two in your day, right?)! > In > > > > Caesarean section births, it has to be when the umbilical cord > is > > > > snapped. The only reason why I've to take a different stand on > > this > > > > is because a child can well be born dead, which means it won't > > take > > > > any breath at all. Harrumphing already? > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:56 AM > > > > > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Correct Birth Timing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Drupad, > > > > > Only Phaladeepika, to my knowledge, mentions the time of > > birth > > > to > > > > be cutting of umbilical cord. My personal opinion is it is when > > the > > > > child draws first breath. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > drupadupadhyaya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gurus, > > > > > > > > > > I had a doubt in my mind regarding the correct birth > > timing. > > > Is > > > > it > > > > > mentioned anywhere in any of the classics as to what > should > > > be > > > > taken > > > > > as the time of birth of a child. Is it that time when any > > one > > > > part of > > > > > his body comes out of the womb or is is the time of his > > first > > > > breath > > > > > or should birth time be taken when the nadi is cut. In > > most > > > of > > > > the > > > > > cases, it makes little difference but in some cases, it > > does > > > > make a > > > > > lot of difference especially when the nakshatra changes. > > > Kindly > > > > guide > > > > > me whether there is any definite authoritative statement > on > > > > this. > > > > > Please advice me as to your views on the subject also. > > Kindly > > > > clarify. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > > > Drupad > > > > > > > > > > [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] > > > > > [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] > Send a blank mail > To : - > To : > Links > > > > > > > ---------- -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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