FW: [SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Pls help - reg Gems

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Hare Rama

Krsna

 

Definitely a good start,

I wouldn’t have tried. I have added my comments, not to be critical, but

for clarification of using gemstones as a remedy.

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dhamakesin [dhamakesin (AT) sysmatrix (DOT) net]

Tuesday, April 20, 2004 1:11 PM

 

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Pls help - reg Gems

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10.0pt">Dear member,

10.0pt">I have encountered several different recommendations regarding the

10.0pt">wearing of gems. There seem

to be different concepts about how the

10.0pt">gems work also. The first

is that the gems strengthen the power of

10.0pt">the graha that they represent.

The second, different idea, is that

10.0pt">they act to absorb negative rays of the graha that they represent

10.0pt">(like a lightening rod).

10.0pt">

Freedom: Yes, there are

varying opinions and stories to back up both sides.

10.0pt">

10.0pt">dhamakesin : The basic rules seem to be:

10.0pt">

10.0pt">1) Wear the gem for the

graha that is the current dasha lord,

10.0pt">regardless of temporal malefic or benefic status.

10.0pt">or

 

Freedom: No. This is

very commonly done, but it is not the best way to go. The dasa is not causing

the problems or blessings. The yogas exist within the chart already and are

just activated by the dasa. Look for what is causing the blessings you are

trying to strengthen or what is causing the problems you are trying to fix,

work more deeply at that level. Don't just blindly go for the dasa lord, as

some do. Look at what the dasa is activating and work with that to get best

results.

 

10.0pt">dhamakesin: 2) Wear only

the gem for the graha that is both a natural and

10.0pt">temporal benefic, when weak, or when desired to strengthen the house,

10.0pt">significations, or associated or aspected planets. In this method

10.0pt">Moon, Mercury, Jupiter, and Venus are considered natural benefics.

 

Freedom: If we were only

to use natural benefics then why did the rishis give us neelam, coral, cat's

eye and gomed? Sometimes Saturn is waiting to give raj yoga, all you have to do

is wear his gem. Look at what the graha is functionally doing in the chart.

10.0pt">

10.0pt">dhamakesin: The there are additional rules followed by some regarding

the finger

10.0pt">to wear the gem on.

10.0pt">1) Wear on own or a friends

finger.

10.0pt">Thumb - angustha - Kuja (Mars) or friend

10.0pt">Index - tarjani - Guru (Jupiter) or friend

10.0pt">Middle - madhyama - Sani (Saturn) or friend

10.0pt">Ring - anamika - Surya (Sun) or friend

10.0pt">Little - kanisthika - Buddha (Mercury) or friend

10.0pt">

10.0pt">Fire-Water friends are:

Sun, Moon, Mars, Jupiter

10.0pt">Earth-Air friends are:

Saturn, Venus, Mercury

10.0pt">

10.0pt">or

10.0pt">2) Wear on finger but not

on first finger (tarjani) and use left to

10.0pt">absorb (reduce) and right to project (increase). This is described by

Sanjay Rath. (And aditionally you wear the gem on the

finger matching

10.0pt">the quality of the bhava it occupies: artha (middle), dharma (ring),

10.0pt">kama (little), moksha (first).

10.0pt">

10.0pt">Index - tarjani - none

10.0pt">Middle - madhyama - Rahu Buddha Ketu Sani Kuja

10.0pt">Ring - anamika - Surya Chandra Guru Shukra Ketu Kuja

10.0pt">Little - kanisthika - Chandra Rahu Buddha Sani

 

Freedom: Its best to

stay safe unless you know what you are doing. To be 100 percent safe you can

wear according to this, and never have a problem:

Index - tarjani - none

Middle - madhyama

– Shukra Sani Rahu Ketu (as it is lorded by Sani)

Ring - anamika - Surya

Chandra Guru Kuja (as it is lorded by Surya)

Little - kanisthika

– Buddha (as it is lorded by Buddha)

 

Emerald can be worn on

the middle finger or neelam on the kanithika when Sani and Buddha have a

beneficial parivartana. Emerald can also be worn on the middle finger by yogis

who wish to give flexibility to Saturn and have a well placed Mercury or

Mercury in a Saturnian sign. Pearl

can be worn on the kanithika when Moon is in Mercurial signs. In this way,

switching fingers is to be done with clear intent regarding the individuals

chart.

 

If the person is wearing

7 different stones, then you haven’t helped them find what in their chart

will uplift them yet.

 

The use of pokaraj

(yellow sapphire) on the ring finger has a deep and fundamental meaning, much

deeper than just the ego of the tarjani. It relates to how the Gyatri works. It

is said that when the Sun is in trouble, Jupiter will help it out and when

there are troubles with Jupiter the Sun will help him out. There is a working

relationship between these two enlighteners. I would prefer not to enter into

discussion on Gyatri as I am not qualfied, but will explain briefly, please

look deeper into this your self. The basic Gyatri (Tat Savitor…) is

related to the Sun but we add ‘Aum Bhur Bhuva Swaha’ to the

beginning. This is ‘Aum’ (Jupiter) taking the three steps (like

Vamanadev) to conquer the three worlds with AUM. AUM is established in our

three lokas by Jupiter. Then the Sun can truly shine forth. In this way we wear

the yellow sapphire on the ring finger.

 

10.0pt">

10.0pt">dhamakesin: Also some astrologers recommend only natural unheated gems

whereas

10.0pt">others maintain that heated ruby is ok, and others that synthetic is

10.0pt">ok, but not as strong.

 

Freedom: The Rishis give

no opinion on this topic as humans weren’t making synthetic stones back

then. My belief is that a natural gem was created when it was the proper time.

What if you have a synthetic or heated ruby that was made by greedy chemists

with negative thoughts on their minds when the Sun was in Libra. Will that

really be the same as nature: ) I would hope that one day such heating and

synthesizing will be done by spiritual people chanting the correct mantras on

an auspicious muhurta. Then we can truly test whether a synthetic or heated

stone will compare to the Earth Mother’s creation.

10.0pt">

10.0pt">dhamakesin: In addition some recommend wearing any gem generally to

increase the

10.0pt">power of any bhava, but recommend wearing the lagna lord gem with it

10.0pt">to counter bad effects. The dasha lord that you were born in is

considered more favorable for you also.

 

Freedom: let people say what they want. Be

a good astrologer and beware of overly simple rules. If you were born in the

dasa of the worst malefic in your chart would you want to put on that gemstone

to wear to your marriage, because someone said it is more favorable. Will the

lagna always counter bad effects, wouldn’t benefic aspects help more. For

example, if the Moon is weak and in the 8th house, you may not be

able to wear a pearl but you can wear the stone of Jupiter if it is aspecting

the Moon, this would uplift it. Look what is countering the bad effects in the

chart. I wouldn’t advise a stone if you need to worry about countering

its bad effects. Gems are just one of many remedial measures that must be used

at the appropriate time and according to each chart’s own story. People

shouldn’t jump to a gemstone unless the chart is really calling out for

it. There are mantras, pujas, donations, etc. that may be more appropriate and

more powerful and more beneficial in the long term.

10.0pt">

10.0pt">dhamakesin: There are a few books on the subject that I have read from

which this material is collected, plus my own experience:

10.0pt">

10.0pt">Vedic Remedies in Astrology by Sanjay Rath

10.0pt">The Astrology of the Seers by David Frawley (Vamadeva Shastri)

10.0pt">(also his AVIS corespondence course)

10.0pt">The Healing Power of Gemstones by Harish Johari

10.0pt">Mantra, Yantra, and Fabulous Gems by Howard Beckman

10.0pt">and there is another that I've forgotten the name of (by Kapoor?).

10.0pt">

10.0pt">The various opinions raises some interesting questions such as why is

10.0pt">a navratna ok since it combines all gems breaking many combining

10.0pt">rules. Also in ayurveda

diamonds are considered the best for healing,

10.0pt">according to

10.0pt">

10.0pt">Disease is increased by weak grahas and strengthening them should

10.0pt">help, however it may additionally increase the power of the bhava to

10.0pt">cause difficulties in the life.

 

Freedom: again, I will

slightly repeat my gemstone theme, as I have written before. Really learn

medical astrology well. See what is causing the illness and what in the chart

will remove it; is the 4th house of cure weak, is it a strong

malefic or a weak benefic creating havoc, is there karma to have mis-diagnosis

that needs to be removed for the cure to come, will a benefic soon be

transiting the cause of illness that will remove it if strengthened. Maybe the

problem is based on the naksatra lord and that deity just needs

propitiation.

10.0pt">

10.0pt">dhamakesin: So although there are exceptions to every rule, the easiest

rule I

10.0pt">know is to use the gems for grahas that are both natural and temporal

10.0pt">benefics that are also weak.

 

Freedom: I think there

are too many exceptions to state this. Natural and Temporal benefics can still

cause disease, badhak, ghataka, etc. And sometimes malefics are good and very

important to strengthen.

10.0pt">

10.0pt">An example is for a Aries lagna:

debilitated lagna lord Mars in

10.0pt">Cancer (4th house) with Saturn aspect. Wear gem (red coral) for Mars.

10.0pt"> (Since this is a moksha

house, some would not recommend this.)

 

Freedom: I’ll say

ok to that, red coral will strengthen the lagna and protect the health, but

that depends on the Moon and other 4th house karakas. You could

afflict the 4th house and the Moon. The person’s mother could

fall sick, or get really angry, or land disputes may arise, or education could

have some new problems, etc. Maybe if the Moon was well placed it would be

better to wear a pearl to uplift Mars in a more harmonious manner. Again if

Jupiter was aspecting, this could also be a beneficial way to uplift Mars.

10.0pt">

10.0pt">dhamakesin: Pisces lagna lord Jupiter in 8th house. Wear a gem for Jupiter (Y.

10.0pt">Sapphire).

 

Freedom: Jupiter is the

auspicious lagna lord. From the 8th house he has drishti on the 12th,

3rd and 6th. Would increasing him this way be giving

much, (depends on the situation of the chart). Jupiter’s exaltation is

cancer in the 5th house of mantra. That means he’ll be very

pleased to be uplifted with mantra, with the right Guru mantra the person will

feel exalted.

 

10.0pt">

10.0pt">dhamakesin: For Gemini, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Pisces,

the lagna lord is neutral, and for Taurus negative. But when weak it may give

10.0pt">health and general prosperity problems anyway. Also a weak Sun and

10.0pt">Moon cause general problems so it may be better to strengthen them

10.0pt">even when malific. Mantras

are considered safe in all cases.

 

Freedom: Yes, someone

once told me mantras were the safe way to go. I think they forgot to mention,

safe mantras are the safe way to go. Once I wanted to get rid of the negative

effects of a Rahu dasa and so I did a simple Chinnamasta mantra. In my chart,

Rahu is matrikaraka and when I began the mantra my relation to my Mother went

from good to terrible overnight. I stopped the mantra and went to a Durga

mantra instead, that proved much better. I saw an SJC student, with an ill

placed Sun, get Agni Gyatri and start having one accident after the other, till

he was told to stop. Safe mantras are safe in all cases.

 

Namah Sivaya

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10.0pt">Dhamakesin

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10.0pt">,

"bhatia_25" <bhatia_25> wrote:

10.0pt">> Respected Members,

10.0pt">> >

10.0pt">> > I had some confusion with regards to Gems. Could anyone of u

pls

10.0pt">> let

10.0pt">> > me know about the right way to wear/use these Gems. Pls

explain

10.0pt">> with

10.0pt">> > help of some example. also let me know whether it should be

wear on

10.0pt">> > right hand or left one for a male native. Any other thing

relating

10.0pt">> to Gems therapy, pls let me know/guide me.

10.0pt">> >

10.0pt">> > It would be a great help of mine.

10.0pt">> >

10.0pt">> > regards

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Dear Freedom,

 

All good comments. I agree that you must look at everything when

considering gems. And there are different ways to determine

favorable gems. Some use Iyer's methods, but most do not. Some use

Systems Approach, etc. The set of rules used will depend upon who is

considered to be an authority. One is considered an authority based

upon karma and merit combined. Some that are wise are ignored,

others that are ignorant are glorified. Your individual karma will

determine if you get advice from a sage or a fool. So it is very

important to meditate and improve the intuitive perception to get the

best advice, both from others and from oneself.

 

I have tried all 9 gems myself at various times over 8 years, and

have many experiences relating to thier powers. Now, they cannot all

be "good" for me can they? (Except some can wear a navratna.) Each

graha is good for something however. As a Sagittarius, wearing

emerald (even though recommended) caused me difficulty meditating

(increased thoughts) and more communications (leading to less

meditation time).

 

I have found that each gem has some good features.

 

Intersesting comment on Jupiter as Aum in Gayatri Mantra. A related

comment from the upanishads is: the Sun makes the sound of AUM as it

traverses the universe.

 

There are many special cases, so I agree that you have to look at

everything. I would not say that you can never go against the

general rules.

 

Did you know that strengthening the 8th can help in longevity,

strengthening the 12th can help spiritual practices, and

strengthening the 6th can help overcome enemies and diseases? Say

Jupiter is weak as lord of 3 and 6 (Libra lagna) and no other benefic

aspects 3 or 6 or Jupiter to help. You could wear yellow sapphire in

this situation.

 

 

, "Freedom" <freedom@s...> wrote:

> Hare Rama Krsna

>

> Definitely a good start, I wouldn't have tried. I have added my

comments,

> not to be critical, but for clarification of using gemstones as a

remedy.

>

>

> dhamakesin [dhamakesin@s...]

> Tuesday, April 20, 2004 1:11 PM

>

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Pls help - reg Gems

>

> Dear member,

> I have encountered several different recommendations regarding the

> wearing of gems. There seem to be different concepts about how the

> gems work also. The first is that the gems strengthen the power of

> the graha that they represent. The second, different idea, is that

> they act to absorb negative rays of the graha that they represent

> (like a lightening rod).

>

> Freedom: Yes, there are varying opinions and stories to back up

both sides.

>

> dhamakesin : The basic rules seem to be:

>

> 1) Wear the gem for the graha that is the current dasha lord,

> regardless of temporal malefic or benefic status.

> or

>

> Freedom: No. This is very commonly done, but it is not the best way

to go.

> The dasa is not causing the problems or blessings. The yogas exist

within

> the chart already and are just activated by the dasa. Look for what

is

> causing the blessings you are trying to strengthen or what is

causing the

> problems you are trying to fix, work more deeply at that level.

Don't just

> blindly go for the dasa lord, as some do. Look at what the dasa is

> activating and work with that to get best results.

>

> dhamakesin: 2) Wear only the gem for the graha that is both a

natural and

> temporal benefic, when weak, or when desired to strengthen the

house,

> significations, or associated or aspected planets. In this method

> Moon, Mercury, Jupiter, and Venus are considered natural benefics.

>

> Freedom: If we were only to use natural benefics then why did the

rishis

> give us neelam, coral, cat's eye and gomed? Sometimes Saturn is

waiting to

> give raj yoga, all you have to do is wear his gem. Look at what the

graha is

> functionally doing in the chart.

>

> dhamakesin: The there are additional rules followed by some

regarding the

> finger

> to wear the gem on.

> 1) Wear on own or a friends finger.

> Thumb - angustha - Kuja (Mars) or friend

> Index - tarjani - Guru (Jupiter) or friend

> Middle - madhyama - Sani (Saturn) or friend

> Ring - anamika - Surya (Sun) or friend

> Little - kanisthika - Buddha (Mercury) or friend

>

> Fire-Water friends are: Sun, Moon, Mars, Jupiter

> Earth-Air friends are: Saturn, Venus, Mercury

>

> or

> 2) Wear on finger but not on first finger (tarjani) and use left to

> absorb (reduce) and right to project (increase). This is described

by

> Sanjay Rath. (And aditionally you wear the gem on the finger

matching

> the quality of the bhava it occupies: artha (middle), dharma

(ring),

> kama (little), moksha (first).

>

> Index - tarjani - none

> Middle - madhyama - Rahu Buddha Ketu Sani Kuja

> Ring - anamika - Surya Chandra Guru Shukra Ketu Kuja

> Little - kanisthika - Chandra Rahu Buddha Sani

>

> Freedom: Its best to stay safe unless you know what you are doing.

To be 100

> percent safe you can wear according to this, and never have a

problem:

> Index - tarjani - none

> Middle - madhyama - Shukra Sani Rahu Ketu (as it is lorded by Sani)

> Ring - anamika - Surya Chandra Guru Kuja (as it is lorded by Surya)

> Little - kanisthika - Buddha (as it is lorded by Buddha)

>

> Emerald can be worn on the middle finger or neelam on the kanithika

when

> Sani and Buddha have a beneficial parivartana. Emerald can also be

worn on

> the middle finger by yogis who wish to give flexibility to Saturn

and have a

> well placed Mercury or Mercury in a Saturnian sign. Pearl can be

worn on the

> kanithika when Moon is in Mercurial signs. In this way, switching

fingers is

> to be done with clear intent regarding the individuals chart.

>

> If the person is wearing 7 different stones, then you haven't

helped them

> find what in their chart will uplift them yet.

>

> The use of pokaraj (yellow sapphire) on the ring finger has a deep

and

> fundamental meaning, much deeper than just the ego of the tarjani.

It

> relates to how the Gyatri works. It is said that when the Sun is in

trouble,

> Jupiter will help it out and when there are troubles with Jupiter

the Sun

> will help him out. There is a working relationship between these two

> enlighteners. I would prefer not to enter into discussion on Gyatri

as I am

> not qualfied, but will explain briefly, please look deeper into

this your

> self. The basic Gyatri (Tat Savitor.) is related to the Sun but we

add 'Aum

> Bhur Bhuva Swaha' to the beginning. This is 'Aum' (Jupiter) taking

the three

> steps (like Vamanadev) to conquer the three worlds with AUM. AUM is

> established in our three lokas by Jupiter. Then the Sun can truly

shine

> forth. In this way we wear the yellow sapphire on the ring finger.

>

>

> dhamakesin: Also some astrologers recommend only natural unheated

gems

> whereas

> others maintain that heated ruby is ok, and others that synthetic is

> ok, but not as strong.

>

> Freedom: The Rishis give no opinion on this topic as humans weren't

making

> synthetic stones back then. My belief is that a natural gem was

created when

> it was the proper time. What if you have a synthetic or heated ruby

that was

> made by greedy chemists with negative thoughts on their minds when

the Sun

> was in Libra. Will that really be the same as nature: ) I would

hope that

> one day such heating and synthesizing will be done by spiritual

people

> chanting the correct mantras on an auspicious muhurta. Then we can

truly

> test whether a synthetic or heated stone will compare to the Earth

Mother's

> creation.

>

> dhamakesin: In addition some recommend wearing any gem generally to

increase

> the

> power of any bhava, but recommend wearing the lagna lord gem with it

> to counter bad effects. The dasha lord that you were born in is

considered

> more favorable for you also.

>

> Freedom: let people say what they want. Be a good astrologer and

beware of

> overly simple rules. If you were born in the dasa of the worst

malefic in

> your chart would you want to put on that gemstone to wear to your

marriage,

> because someone said it is more favorable. Will the lagna always

counter bad

> effects, wouldn't benefic aspects help more. For example, if the

Moon is

> weak and in the 8th house, you may not be able to wear a pearl but

you can

> wear the stone of Jupiter if it is aspecting the Moon, this would

uplift it.

> Look what is countering the bad effects in the chart. I wouldn't

advise a

> stone if you need to worry about countering its bad effects. Gems

are just

> one of many remedial measures that must be used at the appropriate

time and

> according to each chart's own story. People shouldn't jump to a

gemstone

> unless the chart is really calling out for it. There are mantras,

pujas,

> donations, etc. that may be more appropriate and more powerful and

more

> beneficial in the long term.

>

> dhamakesin: There are a few books on the subject that I have read

from which

> this material is collected, plus my own experience:

>

> Vedic Remedies in Astrology by Sanjay Rath

> The Astrology of the Seers by David Frawley (Vamadeva Shastri)

> (also his AVIS corespondence course)

> The Healing Power of Gemstones by Harish Johari

> Mantra, Yantra, and Fabulous Gems by Howard Beckman

> and there is another that I've forgotten the name of (by Kapoor?).

>

> The various opinions raises some interesting questions such as why

is

> a navratna ok since it combines all gems breaking many combining

> rules. Also in ayurveda diamonds are considered the best for

healing,

> according to

>

> Disease is increased by weak grahas and strengthening them should

> help, however it may additionally increase the power of the bhava to

> cause difficulties in the life.

>

> Freedom: again, I will slightly repeat my gemstone theme, as I have

written

> before. Really learn medical astrology well. See what is causing

the illness

> and what in the chart will remove it; is the 4th house of cure

weak, is it a

> strong malefic or a weak benefic creating havoc, is there karma to

have

> mis-diagnosis that needs to be removed for the cure to come, will a

benefic

> soon be transiting the cause of illness that will remove it if

strengthened.

> Maybe the problem is based on the naksatra lord and that deity just

needs

> propitiation.

>

> dhamakesin: So although there are exceptions to every rule, the

easiest rule

> I

> know is to use the gems for grahas that are both natural and

temporal

> benefics that are also weak.

>

> Freedom: I think there are too many exceptions to state this.

Natural and

> Temporal benefics can still cause disease, badhak, ghataka, etc. And

> sometimes malefics are good and very important to strengthen.

>

> An example is for a Aries lagna: debilitated lagna lord Mars in

> Cancer (4th house) with Saturn aspect. Wear gem (red coral) for

Mars.

> (Since this is a moksha house, some would not recommend this.)

>

> Freedom: I'll say ok to that, red coral will strengthen the lagna

and

> protect the health, but that depends on the Moon and other 4th house

> karakas. You could afflict the 4th house and the Moon. The person's

mother

> could fall sick, or get really angry, or land disputes may arise, or

> education could have some new problems, etc. Maybe if the Moon was

well

> placed it would be better to wear a pearl to uplift Mars in a more

> harmonious manner. Again if Jupiter was aspecting, this could also

be a

> beneficial way to uplift Mars.

>

> dhamakesin: Pisces lagna lord Jupiter in 8th house. Wear a gem for

Jupiter

> (Y.

> Sapphire).

>

> Freedom: Jupiter is the auspicious lagna lord. From the 8th house

he has

> drishti on the 12th, 3rd and 6th. Would increasing him this way be

giving

> much, (depends on the situation of the chart). Jupiter's exaltation

is

> cancer in the 5th house of mantra. That means he'll be very pleased

to be

> uplifted with mantra, with the right Guru mantra the person will

feel

> exalted.

>

>

> dhamakesin: For Gemini, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn,

Pisces, the

> lagna lord is neutral, and for Taurus negative. But when weak it

may give

> health and general prosperity problems anyway. Also a weak Sun and

> Moon cause general problems so it may be better to strengthen them

> even when malific. Mantras are considered safe in all cases.

>

> Freedom: Yes, someone once told me mantras were the safe way to go.

I think

> they forgot to mention, safe mantras are the safe way to go. Once I

wanted

> to get rid of the negative effects of a Rahu dasa and so I did a

simple

> Chinnamasta mantra. In my chart, Rahu is matrikaraka and when I

began the

> mantra my relation to my Mother went from good to terrible

overnight. I

> stopped the mantra and went to a Durga mantra instead, that proved

much

> better. I saw an SJC student, with an ill placed Sun, get Agni

Gyatri and

> start having one accident after the other, till he was told to

stop. Safe

> mantras are safe in all cases.

>

> Namah Sivaya

>

> Dhamakesin

>

> , "bhatia_25" <bhatia_25>

wrote:

> > Respected Members,

> > >

> > > I had some confusion with regards to Gems. Could anyone of u

pls

> > let

> > > me know about the right way to wear/use these Gems. Pls explain

> > with

> > > help of some example. also let me know whether it should be

wear on

> > > right hand or left one for a male native. Any other thing

relating

> > to Gems therapy, pls let me know/guide me.

> > >

> > > It would be a great help of mine.

> > >

> > > regards

>

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