[SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Curse and remedy question

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May I add ?.

The lord of the 7th is saturn.He is in the second with Mars.Jupiters aspect

gives strength to saturn.The 7th lord from Moon sign is Venus.In his

moolatrikonam he is quite strong.

Therefore During Rahu dasa, Jupiter bhukthi and Moon antaram there may be

improvement with regard to the 7th house matters.The dates are from 6-7-2005

to 16-9-2005.Av points of Rahu and Moon are 5 each in the BAV of Moon.

All the best,

With regards,

Jagannathan.Supriti Majumdar <supriti15 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Ash,Thank you for analyzing the chart. I will go over the points for

determining lagna that you discussed one by one in your email below. 1) Lagna

SAV poitns are 34 v/s 7th which has only 19. She must bedominating her husband.

Here husband would be adjustive. There is alot of difference. This lady must be

very adament and also egoistic.Her husband is adjusting but prone to a lot of

addictions that she has had to adjust a lot. She is dominating.2) 1 zero point

in 8th house so may have problems conceiving or someproblems with ovaries or

problems with inheritance etc.She concieved her first child soon after marriage

(Nov 1969), but had problems conceiving her 2nd. She had problems with ovaries

and had a hysterectomy in 20033) More prone to cancerShe does not have a

history of cancer. A benign tumor in her ovary

was the cause of her hysterectomy.4) Period 1999/03 thru 2000/05 might be very

stressful, tooth achestroubles. Lots of oppositions and also financial crunch.

Might alsoface problems with health. Shani was transiting Aries at that timeand

Guru also in aries. So for 1 year from 1999/03 might be verydifficult. Still

things might improve when guru was in pisces andthen after it transitted out of

aries into 2. But still financialproblems.5) Possible time of conception based

on Virgo lagna would beimmediately after marriage i.e just after marriage i.e.

05/1969.2 children, daughters, conception dates, 11/69, 1/776) Also possibility

of more children in Venus/Shani antra i.e.1971/04 thru 1974/04. i.e. in last

sector i.e 1973/04 thru 1974/04.Tried to concieve in this period:

Unsuccessful7) All life full of struggle.TrueThanksSupriti--- In

, "ashsam73"

wrote:> Dear Supriti,> Guru in libra, Venus to Sun distance = 45.0075 degrees,

mostly all > Ashtakvarg points (combined) low for 7th house, 4th, 12th house,

5th > house, Venus in Swati nakshatri ruled by Rahu and Sun in scorpio.> > 6th

lord is with Mars in lagna and aspecting Guru in 7th with Virgo > lagna and 1

zero points given by shani for 8th house in SAV. Mostly > all planets are

either conjoing or being aspected or influenced by > 6th lord.> > This all

shows this person might not have happy marriage life. > Rahu/Rahu antra started

2001/04 thru 2004/01 and Rahu is like Moon. > Rahu is in 6th house and in House

of Shani and nakshatra of Moon. > Moon has 7 bindus for 6th house and Shani has

6 so Rahu will act more > like Moon. Moon has 0 points (Combined strength) and

is weakest > significator for 7th house. So sepearation might have taken

place > around then.> > Some additional checks for verifying lagna.> > 1) Lagna

SAV poitns are 34 v/s 7th which has only 19. She must be > dominating her

husband. Here husband would be adjustive. There is a > lot of difference. This

lady must be very adament and also egoistic.> > 2) 1 zero point in 8th house so

may have problems conceiving or some > problems with ovaries or problems with

inheritance etc.> > 3) More prone to cancer > > 4) Period 1999/03 thru 2000/05

might be very stressful, tooth aches > troubles. Lots of oppositions and also

financial crunch. Might also > face problems with health. Shani was transiting

Aries at that time > and Guru also in aries. So for 1 year from 1999/03 might

be very > difficult. Still things might improve when guru was in pisces and >

then after it transitted out of aries into 2. But still financial

> problems.> > 5) Possible time of conception based on Virgo lagna would be >

immediately after marriage i.e just after marriage i.e. 05/1969.> > 6) Also

possibility of more children in Venus/Shani antra i.e. > 1971/04 thru 1974/04.

i.e. in last sector i.e 1973/04 thru 1974/04.> > 7) All life full of struggle.

> > > You can verify all this if lagna is Virgo. From what you have given > is

that the lady is not even sure of the date nor the year. However > since an

astrologer has rectified the birth data I have just used > that as a base and

seen data in the nearabouts. From what you say > w.r.t difference of years and

only being confident of the time of > birth, I am afraid I cant be of much

help.> > The more learned guru on this list might be able to shed more light.>

> For those using Nadis, is the birth possible of a female in

the time > given for the year at 11:40.> > Cheers !!!> Ash> > > > --- In

, "Supriti Majumdar" > wrote:> > Dear Ash,> > There

was some confusion about her birth time. But she knows that > > her birth chart

said that she is born on a saturday, meena lagna. > > The date(Dec 6, 7, 8, 9),

year(1951,1952,1953) may not be accurate > > but the time is around 11:40 PM.> >

An astrologer in the recent years has rectified her chart.> > Please feel free

to suggest an alternate chart.> > Thanks> > Sincerely,> > Supriti> > > > --- In

, "ashsam73" > wrote:> > > Dear Supriti,> > > I do

not think her lagna is Leo. If shes married this early then > > her > > >

Lagna must be Virgo.> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash> > > > > > > > > --- In

, "Supriti Majumdar" > > > wrote:> > > > Dear Ash,>

> > > > > > > This lady got married at a very young age - 05/1969.> > > > > > >

> Thanks for reading my email.> > > > Supriti> > > > > > > > --- In

, "ashsam73" > > > wrote:> > > > > Dear Supriti,> >

> > > Did this lady get married between 1981/04 thru 1982/03. > > > > > Thanks,>

> > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > Ash> > > > > > > > > > --- In

, "Supriti Majumdar" > > > > >

wrote:> > > > > > Respected Gurus and List members,> > > > > > > > > > > > I am

trying to analyze the chart of a native who is going > > > through > > > > a >

> > > > > very hard time. She has had marital problems all her > life. > > >

Now > > > > > her > > > > > > husband is living separately, she is having

financial > > problems > > > > and > > > > > > her children are away from her.>

> > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to analyze the curses in the chart below, >

please > > > help > > > > > me.> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars aspect

Guru and Moon in the> > > > > > 8th house causing and Me in

the 5th house;> > > > > > 1. Curse of Guru.> > > > > > 2. Curse of mother.> > >

> > > 3. Curse of uncle> > > > > > > > > > > > Among the three Me is the only

planet that does not own a > > > > > dusthana. > > > > > > Is this the biggest

curse? If not which one is the main > > curse > > > > and > > > > > > what are

the remedies.> > > > > > > > > > > > Rh alone aspects Ve. Hence there is some

problem with > > marital > > > > life.> > > > > > > > > > > > Sa alone aspects

Su. Hence there is some sadness from the > > > father.> > > > > > > > > > > >

The Native has Gandanta Moon in the 8th house. I read > > >

somewhere > > > > > that > > > > > > this is a curse too.> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

_________________> > > > > >

Natal Chart> > > > > > > > > > > > December 8, 1951> > > > > > Time:

23:40:00> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > Place: 88 E 22'

00", 23 N 25' 00"> > > > > > Nagpur, India> > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters> > >

> > > > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Khara - Margasira> > > > > > Tithi: Sukla Ekadasi

(Ma) (39.09% left)> > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > > > >

Nakshatra: Revati (Me) (0.16% left)> > > > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju)> > > > > >

Karana: Vishti (Sa)> > > > > > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Cp)> > > > > >

Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Ta)> > > > > > Kaala Lord: Venus (Mahakala:

Venus)> > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise: 6:08:22> > > > > > Sunset: 16:47:39> > >

> > > Janma Ghatis: 43.8180> > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-11-16.09> > > >

> > Sidereal Time: 5:10:14> > > > > > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada

Rasi > Navamsa> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 25 Le 24' 29.26" PPha 4 Le Sc> > > >

> > Sun - AmK 22 Sc 40' 10.75" Jye 2 Sc Cp> > > >

> > Moon - AK 29 Pi 58' 41.98" Reva 4 Pi Pi> > > > > > Mars - PiK 15 Vi 00'

42.86" Hast 2 Vi Ta> > > > > > Mercury ® - GK 9 Sg 00' 11.20" Mool 3 Sg Ge> >

> > > > Jupiter - PK 11 Pi 11' 14.05" UBha 3 Pi Li> > > > > > Venus - DK 7 Li

39' 32.11" Swat 1 Li Sg> > > > > > Saturn - BK 19 Vi 53' 49.49" Hast 3 Vi Ge> >

> > > > Rahu - MK 11 Aq 30' 06.13" Sata 2 Aq Cp> > > > > > Ketu 11 Le 30' 06.13"

Makh 4 Le Cn> > > > > > Maandi 11 Le 20' 23.32" Makh 4 Le Cn> > > > > > Gulika 0

Le 05' 21.92" Makh 1 Le Ar> > > > > > Bhava Lagna 14 Le 50' 10.64" PPha 1 Le Le>

> > > > > Hora Lagna 7 Ta 44' 40.52" Krit 4 Ta Pi> > > > > > Ghati Lagna 16 Cn

28' 10.15" Push 4 Cn Sc> > > > > > Vighati Lagna 0 Cn 05' 38.28" Puna

4 Cn Cn> > > > > > Varnada Lagna 26 Vi 50' 50.22" Chit 2 Vi Vi> > > > > > Sree

Lagna 24 Le 49' 22.77" PPha 4 Le Sc> > > > > > Dhooma 6 Ar 00' 10.75" Aswi 2 Ar

Ta> > > > > > Vyatipata 23 Pi 59' 49.25" Reva 3 Pi Aq> > > > > > Parivesha 23 Vi

59' 49.25" Chit 1 Vi Le> > > > > > Indra Chapa 6 Li 00' 10.75" Chit 4 Li Sc> > >

> > > Upaketu 22 Li 40' 10.75" Visa 1 Li Ar> > > > > > Kaala 27 Vi 11' 55.48"

Chit 2 Vi Vi> > > > > > Mrityu 11 Sc 39' 44.79" Anu 3 Sc Li> > > > > > Artha

Prahara 4 Ge 34' 25.67" Mrig 4 Ge Sc> > > > > > Yama Ghantaka 27 Ge 02' 57.92"

Puna 3 Ge Ge> > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi > > > > > >

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1942-01-16 Mars 1943-06-17 > > > > > > Rah 1944-06-14 Jup 1947-01-02 Sat

1949-04-07 > > > > > > Ket Ket 1951-12-18 Ven 1952-05-13 Sun 1953-07-15 > > > >

> > Moon 1953-11-21 Mars 1954-06-20 Rah 1954-11-18

> > > > > > Jup 1955-12-06 Sat 1956-11-12 Merc 1957-12-21 > > > > > > Ven Ven

1958-12-18 Sun 1962-04-16 Moon 1963-04-16 > > > > > > Mars 1964-12-18 Rah

1966-02-15 Jup 1969-02-15 > > > > > > Sat 1971-10-20 Merc 1974-12-18 Ket

1977-10-19 > > > > > > Sun Sun 1978-12-18 Moon 1979-04-04 Mars 1979-10-08 > > >

> > > Rah 1980-02-10 Jup 1981-01-04 Sat 1981-10-25 > > > > > > Merc 1982-10-08

Ket 1983-08-13 Ven 1983-12-18 > > > > > > Moon Moon 1984-12-18 Mars 1985-10-19

Rah 1986-05-17 > > > > > > Jup 1987-11-19 Sat 1989-03-17 Merc 1990-10-20 > > >

> > > Ket 1992-03-16 Ven 1992-10-19 Sun 1994-06-18 > > > > > > Mars Mars

1994-12-18 Rah 1995-05-14 Jup 1996-06-01 > > > > > > Sat 1997-05-08 Merc

1998-06-18 Ket 1999-06-15 > > >

> > > Ven 1999-11-13 Sun 2001-01-10 Moon 2001-05-17 > > > > > > Rah Rah

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Dear Ash and Kaimal,

 

I will describe her to see if this helps. She is very petite. She

has a heavy face. SHe is exceptionally beautiful. At this age

people think she is 30. She is very generous and protective towards

people who depend on her. She is stubborn and fixed in her values:

Very strong sense of right and wrong. She is not overbearing, but

she does not like being bossed around. SHe needs to be a leader.

 

Hope that helps

Supriti

 

, SRCKaimal <srckaimal@a...> wrote:

> Dear Ash,

> You rarely make a mistake in cases like these and I was just

wondering!If

> her Lagna is Leo,it should reflect in her appearance and nature.She

should

> have a heavy face,a cannot ignore personality,a take charge and even

> overbearing nature and a generous and protective and patronising

attitude to

> those who depend on her or accept her leader status.

> Regards

> Kaimal

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> ashsam73 <ashsam73>

> <>

> Monday, March 08, 2004 9:34 PM

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Curse and remedy question

>

>

> > Dear Supriti,

> > I do not think her lagna is Leo. If shes married this early then

her

> > Lagna must be Virgo.

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> > , "Supriti Majumdar"

> > <supriti15@h...> wrote:

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > This lady got married at a very young age - 05/1969.

> > >

> > > Thanks for reading my email.

> > > Supriti

> > >

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Jaya Jagannath,

 

Dear Swee,

 

In our parampara, we are taught, not to examine curses in charts, until we

have studied Rama's chart properly. Rama has the curse of the Brahmin. We

know this from the puranas, that Narada cursed him and consequently, he had

to be banished to the forests for 14 years, gave up his kingdom and parents,

his wife got kidnapped and he was surrounded by asuras. Jupiter and Moon are

in lagna in his chart, with no rasi drishti from either of the malefics. Yet

we know that a Brahmin had cursed him. Saturn and Mars has graha drishti on

Jupiter, indicating the curse.

 

By graha drishti we also include conjunctions, because they are the

strongest aspect. In the concerned chart, Saturn and mars has graha drishti

from the 7th and Rahu has graha drishti from the 12th. Rahu aspects the

12th, 5th and 9th from it graha drishti, but since Rahu moves in reverse,

the 2nd house from it is its 12th aspect. But I suppose you know all this.

So Moon and Jupiter have the graha drishti of all three malefics.

 

If you read my last mail carefully, I wrote there that though a chart may

have multiple curses, only one PRIMARY curse shall operate. The reason I

chose Moon over Jupiter, is because it is the AK. For a curse to be

completely effective and cause absolute suffering, the AK's involvement is

necessary. Here the curse is on the AK, so the suffering is severe. The fact

that Moon is also in MK Sthana and is in gandanta, makes the affliction on

the Moon more severe. But Swee I wrote all this in my earlier mail.

 

Now when you see Mula Dasa, the dasa of the malefics causing the curse will

give the its results. Normally, it is one of the malefics only who give the

results. Often when planets are conjoined, one gives the results of the

other. I refrain from commenting anything much on remedies, as only gurus

are in SJC are permitted to do so. But of course he needs to pray to his

ishta more regularly.

 

I don't have your chart here with me right now, so I cannot comment upon it.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Sarbani

 

 

 

Swee Chan [swee]

Monday, March 08, 2004 8:01 PM

 

RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Curse and remedy question

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Sarbani,

 

By graha drishti you mean when a benefic conjoins a malefic? Going through

your analysis, you have given ONLY the 7th aspect from Saturn and Mars to

Moon and Jupiter.

 

Further, you have chosen AK Moon to be the most afflicted as it is also in

marana, that is understood, but not totally incurable as 2 benefics conjoin

in a dual sign and Jupiter is in a movable sign in Navamsa AND in parivatana

with Venus (rajas guna in sattvic sign) hence the sufferings can be

alleviated as long as she continues to propitiate on a regular basis (due to

retrograde Mercury and Saturn, slowest planet- 3 benefics are in dual signs

in navamsa with aspect to Saturn.)

 

Hari: the 6th from AmK is PK Saturn in the 8th, so isn't this area and

retro Mercury lacking? Would it be easy for the person to just chant her

mantras with the 2nd house lord (vak siddhi) in retrograde?

 

Now, what about the 3rd and 10th from Saturn and the 4th and 8th from Mars

by graha drishti?

 

It is pretty clear that by rasi drishti, Mercury, Moon and Jupiter are all

afflicted by Saturn and Mars. (Note the sustenance is Venus is in own MT of

the Movable sign in Rasi and is 2nd from both Saturn and Mars).

 

Altogether, we cannot disregarded the fact that rasi drishti is the clear

cut way of looking at a curse. Otherwise, how do we time the curse with

Moola dasa if they are not Rasi based with the grahas involved?

Besides, her current Moola dasas are all Dual Signs.

 

There is something to be said about any planet in gandanta. She has already

crossed that period. Zoran and I discussed this in Puri and agreed that when

a person has crossed his/her gandanta period, the person's status elevates-

7th heaven! My Moon is AK in gandanta, crossed the period too...........

 

Please elucidate.

 

love,

 

Swee

swee

www.brihaspati.net

 

 

 

 

Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani]

08 March 2004 06:25

 

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Curse and remedy question

 

Dear Supriti,

 

Curses on natural benefics occur when they have a GRAHA drishti of two more

natural malefics, namely, Saturn (sorrow), Mars (anger) and Rahu (shock). In

the chart given by you, all these three planets, that is Saturn, Mars and

Rahu have graha drishti on Jupiter (curse of a Brahmin) and Moon (curse of

the mother). Charts often have multiple curses, but only ONE primary curse

shall operate. Secondly, curses do not have much meaning or impact unless

the Atma Karaka is involved.

In this case, the curse on Moon shall prevail, as Moon is the Atma Karaka.

When the curse involves AK, it is very strong and causes a lot of suffering.

The moon though vargottama is in marana karaka sthana in both rasi and

navamsa. The Moon is in gandanta (this is a dosha and not a curse) as well,

making the affliction on it severe and complete. This will ruin the house it

owns, i.e. the 12th (investments, expenditures, shayana sukha) and the house

it is the karaka of, i.e. the 4th. The 4th house is the sukha sthana and has

her AL and UL there as well. Hence marriage is directly implicated as a

problem area as well as finance.

 

She went through Rahu Moola dasa since 1995-2001, followed by Ketu.

She is also running Rahu Vimsottari. Rahu is the worst malefic for the Moon

and it is placed in the 7th house, from where it is aspecting the 8th house

and the 8th lord. The 8th house is the maraka for the 7th, signifying end of

marriage or problems. Both the lords of the 7th house, saturn and rahu are

involved in the curse, hence her marriage is going to cause a lot of

suffering, as both the 7th house, its lords and the UL are involved in the

curse.

 

Saturn and Mars also has rasi drishti on the 2nd house from UL, which shows

the sustenance of the upapada. Although Jupiter is aspecting the 2nd from UL

(that is why her marriage has not broken), please remember it is an

afflicted Jupiter. It is this Jupiter which is the 8th lord aspected by

Rahu, Saturn and Mars. So it has prevented the legal break...so far. Saturn

and Mars are in the 2nd house, thus also spoiling family life and wealth.

Since Jup is the lord and karaka of the 5th house and associated with the

curse and the Moon and the 8th house also has A5...her relationship with her

children is also affected.

 

Best regards,

 

Sarbani

 

 

 

 

 

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