re: (vedic astrology) moksha and everything

[Guest guest]

Dear Sundeep and list

Thank you for this good discussion on observation, and the

understanding of astrology as a science.

 

What I would talk about is not very unfamiliar to the one that you

already know but would however help us to dig deeper into the process

of predictions.

 

Vishnu is the all pervading consciousness, and he is talking to us

all the times, so what I am proposing is not new but definitely a

different understanding of Jyotish.

 

Jyotish as we all seem to understand, is taking up charts, or

horoscopes and trying to either establish a link between planets and

causes, or the causes to planets, or whatever way one has defined it

so far.

 

Jyotish is the Third eye, or the eye that "Percieves" the linkages

even to the microcosmic level. What we do with the two eyes is

seeing, but the third eye is the one which "Percieves" the "Signals"

for a holistic understanding that leads to awareness of the higher

energies.

 

I would not bore you guys to death, and would straight away come to

the focus of this article. I would like to narrate an incident that

recently took place while I was going to attend the Puri Conference.

 

While I was going in the train, I saw a small station called Dusi,

and I immediately calculated the vedic number for the station using

Katapayadi varga, it came to 6.

 

(Doosi, d- here is "the", so doosi, comes to 87, reverse 78, divided

by 12, remainder =6=virgo)

 

I saw three passengers talking about murder of a student that took

place in Srikakulam.( A town in coastal Andhra pradesh). They were

talking about police etc, and the conversation was around 11 50 Am

(7th Of January 2004).

 

Then they got down at Srikakulam, and a policeman boarded the train

and came and sat just next to me. He enquired about me and asked me

what I do, I replied that I am an astrologer and do "timepass

astrology", and he then asked me to read the chart of his daughter. I

checked up the time, it was around 12 35 Pm, and I guessed through

manual calculation that aries would be rising with Rahu in it. Still

I proceeded, and I found that she was Sagittarius Rising, with Aries

moon sign, Bharani nakshatra. The hora lord sun was sitting right

next to his buddy mercury in Sagittarius in the prasna chart.

 

I asked the policeman , whether he got a promotion or something good

related to job when the daughter was born, and he replied in

affirmative. She was born in Sukra dasa, and currently she was

running Sun dasa.

 

I predicted marriage for her, and then he got down at the next

station. All the events took place within the span of one hour.

 

Now friends a few points here

 

a) There are totally six guys here(3 passengers, a student, a

policeman, and his daughter)

 

b) Virgo a female sign is represented by the number 6.

 

c) Lord of virgo is mercury who is a student, and also a child

 

d) Hora lord at the time of first conversation was mars, and

rahu was in second house in aries(Pisces rising), and mars is also

the 2nd lord and the 9th lord.

 

e) Hora lord at the time of conversation with the Policeman was

sun, and sun is the fifth lord with child mercury(lord of virgo) in

Sagittarius

 

f) The whole story started with a station called dusi.

 

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Now guys, I can go on and on, and show you the link between

signposts, signals, Vedic astrology, Nimitta etc etc. But the

crucial point to understand is that there is a continuous stream of

information that keeps bomarding us all the times, the constant

stream of Vishnu, the all pervading Vishnu. If we restrict astrology

to the definition given by medieval astrologers as the maverick

science trying to understand marriages, nuptial bonds, and progeny

then we are lost.

 

Look at the broader picture, Jyotish i reiterate is the Third eye

that helps us perceive the Microcosm in macrocosm, and understand the

linkages, it is not establishing linkages, but getting aware of the

linkages. Whether one shouts from the roof top claiming himself as

scientist or a mathematicians, as most of the guys who criticize

astrology do, we are not here to cool them down. The very fact that

they are criticizing astrology shows that they are deeply interested

and intrigued and bewildered by this fascinating human science, the

science of the Vedas, the science of the "EXISTENCE",

 

Love

 

Partha

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sundeep,

Thats a very good point about observing first and then predicting.

However, I am not sure about your second observation.

 

I believe there are instances in Jyotish classics where the authors

(rishis) indicate that planets cause so and so. For example, while

talking about conjunction of planets and when sun hides the planets,

I remember reading something like "rays" of planets dont reach the

person, etc. Please note that I am just basing it on my memory which

may be incorrect.

 

Such statements tend to give the opinion that the divine force

associated with these planets "cause" and not just indicate.

Otherwise remedies to Graha Lords may not make much sense.

 

Now, here is a question for all: Are there instances where it is

clearly and unambiguously said anywhere in classics that

1. Planets cause an effect on us (based on our past karma) OR

2. Planets just denote/indicate.

 

Nimittas is a very different story altogether. I am referring to

planetary astrology here.

 

-Siva.

 

vedic astrology, "vedicastrostudent"

<vedicastrostudent> wrote:

> Siva,

> I am forced to comment on one statement of yours, because I see

> people misinterpreting this all the time. This is not directed at

> you, but a general attitude I have seen which I think needs to be

> corrected:

>

> > For me and probably many others, seeing is believing and we

> believe

> > in astrology but I dont think there has ever been a *complete*

> > explanation of how Jyotish works.

>

>

> The true scientist values empiricism above all else. This is the

> unalterable sequence for any true scientist: OBSERVATION comes

first,

> then HYPOTHESIS, then PREDICTION based on hypothesis, then

promotion

> of HYPOTHESIS to EXPLANATION based on the VALIDATION of it's

> PREDICTIONS. What I see many many people doing is debunking

Jyotish

> falsely under the covers of "science". When they say "how can a

> planet millions of miles away affect our destiny", they are not

being

> scientific because they are FIRST looking for an EXPLANATION,

BEFORE

> accepting the OBSERVATIONS. A true scientist always observes

first,

> even if he has no theories or explanations, or worse, even if the

> observations flatly contradict his pre-existing beliefs and

theories.

> Einstein for example OBSERVED that the speed of light was a dead

> constant in all directions BEFORE he hypothesized the theory that

> explained it. The constancy of the speed of light was in stark

> contradiction to then existing theories, but that didnt stop

Einstein

> from observing that constancy as a FACT.

>

> The true scientific approach to Jyotish is to observe first. *IS*

> there a correlation between the movement of planets and our lives?

> Once you get PAST that i.e have answered the question in YES or

NO,

> you can proceed to the hypothesis. People frequently go the other

> way - they cant find a comfortable hypothesis, so they deny the

> facts. That is not scientific.

>

> Secondly, the next biggest mistake I see people making, and yes I

> have not seen ONE person point out this mistake is that when they

see

> a correlation between A and B, they automatically assume that A

> CAUSES B. That is an assumption - it is only ONE possibility of

> potentially more. Case in point: Jyotish. When they see the

movement

> of planets correlating directly with the events in the lives of

> people, people automatically assume that the movement of planets

> CAUSES those events. Huh? Why? Say for example the mail in your

house

> comes at 2pm. You keep watching the clock on the wall, and when it

> hits 2pm you run to your mailbox and sure enough, there is the

mail.

> Did the movement of the clock to the position 2pm CAUSE the mail

to

> come? No! Both the mailman and you are using a synchronized clock.

> Neither caused the other. The same MAY be the case for JYOTISH. It

> MAY - I dont know, I am simply not eliminating it as a

possibility.

> The planets may be like a complex clock in the sky (that can be

read

> only by competent astrologers of course), keeping time of events

that

> occur in your life. They may only be the clock, not necessarily

the

> process that causes the event. I find it funny when people say -

we

> know all the material forces e.g. gravity that emanate from all

> planets, and none has enough magnitude to affect anything on

earth.

> My answer - So what? The planets may not be CAUSING the things on

> earth, simply TIMING them.

>

>

> Sundeep