[SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Exercise: Lagna Lord

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Dear Sanjay.P.,

 

Good thought provoking questions.Heres my attempt.

Question 1. Why does Lagna lord in lagna gives 2 or more wives?.

 

The 2nd house represents the life-force of the 7th as it is the 8th from 7th.As

a result the 1st house is a maraka for the 7th as its the 12th from it.The

lagnesh in strength in own house is a very strong maraka and may result in the

destruction of the first marriage.The Lagnesh will also act as the Sun and a

big ego could be the root-cause.

 

Question 2. Why is progenic bliss will be hard to be obtained for lagna lord in 2nd?.

The second house is the karma bhava(10th house) for the fifth house of

children.If the lagnesh is placed in the 2nd house, it will dominate the

affairs of the house like the Sun and as a result the native will be a control

freak in the eyes of his children.As a result, he may not have progenic

happiness.

 

 

Question 4: For lagna lord in 5th, Why will the person be given to anger?.THe

lagnesh in the fifth will act like the sun in a trine.This will produce an

intense amount of heat as the Sun gets maximum heat in trines.Consequently, the

native could be passionate or angry.

 

Question 5: Why is early loss of spouce indicated of 1st lord in 6th?

The sixth house is the 12th to 7th and it indicates the loss of spouse.Another

inference that can be made is to study the marana karaka sthana for Venus the

karaka for marriage.The sixth is the marana karaka sthana for Venus as its the

12th to seventh. The lagnesh placed in this bhava is the maraka for spouse

being placed in 12th from it.

Question 6: For lagna lord in 7th. Why is there a possibilty of short lived wife?.

The maraka being placed in strength in a quadrant.Questoin 7: For lagna lord in

7th, What causes possible asceticism?.

The qualities of the planet in the seventh are lost.If the lagnesh is present in

the 7th he will induce a strong sense of detachment in the native.Afterall our

attachement to this body and its demands are the root causes of bandhana.

 

I could only manage time today for these. Will attempt again when I get a chance.

Hare Krishna

Sudharsan

 

sanjayprabhakaran <sanjayp (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

 

 

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jyotish Students,Since the list is not discussing some

basics I thought of starting a discussion on Lagna lord in various houses.

COVAIf the Lord is in the ascendant, the native is strong, fickle minded,

brave, intelligent, with two or more wives, mahapurush (great person) and

blessed by the Sun God.BPHSagneshe lagnage dehasukhabhAg.h bhujavikramI

|manasvI chaJNchalashchaiva dvibhAryo parago.api va || 24.1||1. Effects of

Lagn's Lord in Various Bhavas (up to Sloka 12). Should Lagn's Lord be in Lagn

itself, the native will be endowed with physical happiness and prowess. He will

be intelligent, fickle-minded, will have two wives and will unite with other

females.COVAIf the Lord is in the second house, the native is scholarly,

wealthy, happy, religious, honorable

and passionate. Progenic bliss will be hard to obtain.Question 2. BPHSlagneshe

sutage jantoH sutasaukhyaM cha madhyamam.h |prathamApatyanAshaH syAnmAnI krodhI

nR^ipapriyaH || 5||5. If Lagn's Lord is in Putr Bhava, the native will have

mediocre progenic happiness, will lose his first child, be honourable, given to

anger and be dear to king.COVAIf the Lord is in the sixth house, debts and ill

health are indicated. He will be troubled by enemies. He will be intelligent

and courageous and if benefics aspect or during the period of lagnesh will

destroy enemies, acquire wealth and a royal status. Early loss of spouse is

indicated.Question 5: Why is early loss of spouce indicated of 1st lord in

6th?COVAIf the Lord is in the seventh house, wife is short lived; more than one

marriage and misfortunes are indicated. Unless the lagnesh is strong the native

could become an ascetic

or nomad. If strong, great wealth and prosperity are

indicated.BPHSlagneshe.ashhTamage jAtaH siddhavidyAvishAradaH |rogI chauro

mahAkrodhI dyUtI cha paradAragaH || 8||8. If Lagn's Lord is in Randhr Bhava,

the native will be an accomplished scholar, be sickly, thievish, be given to

much anger, be a gambler and will join others' wivesCOVA:Question 9: Lagna lord

in 9th,10th and 11th causes blessings of Vishnu, Ganesha and Shiva.

Why?BPHS:lagneshe vyayabhAvasthe dehasaukhyavivarjitaH |vyarthavyayI mahAkrodhI

shubhadR^ig.hyogavarjite || 12||12. If Lagn's Lord is in Vyaya Bhava and is

devoid of benefic Drishti and/or Yuti, the native will be bereft of physical

happiness, will spend unfruitfully and be given to much anger.Question 10: What

factor in 12th house cases a person to be short tempered, when lagna lord goes

there?.If you have time please take part in this so we can

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Dear Sanjay.P,

 

Heres another repsonse to the question that follows-

 

Questoin 7: For lagna lord in 7th, What causes possible asceticism?.

Since Venus represents kalatra bhava and Sun(karaka for Lagnesh) is inimical to

Venus, it will destroy venusian qualities and therefore lead to asceticism.

I had originally replied in my previous email that it was because Lagnesh was a

maraka but that didnt really answer the question.In my humble opinion this fits

better.

 

Hare Krishna

 

Sudharsansanjayprabhakaran <sanjayp (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jyotish Students,Since the list is not discussing some

basics I thought of starting a discussion on Lagna lord in various houses.

COVAIf the Lord is in the ascendant, the native is strong, fickle minded,

brave, intelligent, with two or more wives, mahapurush (great person) and

blessed by the Sun God.BPHSagneshe lagnage dehasukhabhAg.h bhujavikramI

|manasvI chaJNchalashchaiva dvibhAryo parago.api va || 24.1||1. Effects of

Lagn's Lord in Various Bhavas (up to Sloka 12). Should Lagn's Lord be in Lagn

itself, the native will be endowed with physical happiness and prowess. He will

be intelligent, fickle-minded, will have two wives and will unite with other

females.Question 1. Why does Lagna lord in lagna gives 2 or more wives?.COVAIf

the Lord is in the second house, the

native is scholarly, wealthy, happy, religious, honorable and passionate.

Progenic bliss will be hard to obtain.Question 2. Why is progenic bliss will be

hard to be obtained for lagna lord in 2nd?.BPHSlagneshe sutage jantoH

sutasaukhyaM cha madhyamam.h |prathamApatyanAshaH syAnmAnI krodhI nR^ipapriyaH

|| 5||5. If Lagn's Lord is in Putr Bhava, the native will have mediocre

progenic happiness, will lose his first child, be honourable, given to anger

and be dear to king.Question 3: For lagna lord in 5th, Why is progenic

happiness mediocre and lose first child?.Question 4: For lagna lord in 5th, Why

will the person be given to anger?.COVAIf the Lord is in the sixth house, debts

and ill health are indicated. He will be troubled by enemies. He will be

intelligent and courageous and if benefics aspect or during the period of

lagnesh will destroy enemies, acquire wealth and a royal status.

Early loss of spouse is indicated.Question 5: Why is early loss of spouce

indicated of 1st lord in 6th?COVAIf the Lord is in the seventh house, wife is

short lived; more than one marriage and misfortunes are indicated. Unless the

lagnesh is strong the native could become an ascetic or nomad. If strong, great

wealth and prosperity are indicated.Question 6: For lagna lord in 7th. Why is

there a possibilty of short lived wife?. Questoin 7: For lagna lord in 7th,

What causes possible asceticism?.BPHSlagneshe.ashhTamage jAtaH

siddhavidyAvishAradaH |rogI chauro mahAkrodhI dyUtI cha paradAragaH || 8||8. If

Lagn's Lord is in Randhr Bhava, the native will be an accomplished scholar, be

sickly, thievish, be given to much anger, be a gambler and will join others'

wivesQuestion 8: Why does 8th house indicates others wife?.COVA:Question 9:

Lagna lord in 9th,10th and 11th causes

blessings of Vishnu, Ganesha and Shiva. Why?BPHS:lagneshe vyayabhAvasthe

dehasaukhyavivarjitaH |vyarthavyayI mahAkrodhI shubhadR^ig.hyogavarjite ||

12||12. If Lagn's Lord is in Vyaya Bhava and is devoid of benefic Drishti

and/or Yuti, the native will be bereft of physical happiness, will spend

unfruitfully and be given to much anger.Question 10: What factor in 12th house

cases a person to be short tempered, when lagna lord goes there?.If you have

time please take part in this so we can spend some time Improving our

basics.Warm regardsS. PrabhakaranOm tat sat[Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya

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Dear Sanjayji

 

These are my replies. Most of them are based on the

idea that the lord of a house carries with it the

effects of the karakas of the house too. (Sanjayji

has written abt the 7th lord carrying the effects of

Venus in the 7th house chapter in Cova.)

 

This means that  the 1st house lord will carry the

effects of karaka Sun. (If we extend this principle

can we assume that the 1st lord will also carry the

effects of natural 1st lord - Mars?)

 

Question 1. Why does Lagna lord in lagna gives 2 or

more wives?

 

Ans: The lagna is the maraka house for the spouse and

maraka in maraka house aspecting the 7th can cause

death/separation. Also the native will be strong,

healthy, long-lived, lucky etc bec of LL in Lagna and

therefore can marry again/have more than one spouse.

Also LL will promote the houses it aspects and thus

will promote 7th house affairs.

 

Question 2. Why is progenic bliss will be hard to be

obtained for

lagna lord in 2nd?

 

Ans: LL carrying effects of karaka Sun to 2nd house,

the house of the immediate family of which children

are the most vulnerable and so the happiness from them

is a problem. Also LL is 12th lord to 2nd house and

brings the significations of loss to it.

 

Question 3: For lagna lord in 5th, Why is progenic

happiness mediocre and lose first child?

 

Ans: LL brings effects of Sun to 5th house. This is

also natural Leo so everything here becomes too hot

and dry. Another reason could be that as the primary

duty of the LL is to promote the lagna, it does so in

whichever house it sits and also at the expense of the

people/matters signified by that house.

 

Question 4: For lagna lord in 5th, Why will the person

be given to anger?

 

The LL also shows the mentality/personality of the

person - so 5th house of authority and intelligence,

natural Leo, karaka Sun in this house make the native

want to have his way and know the extent of his

intelligence also. If we bring Mars into the picture

also then the impatience is also included.

 

Question 5: Why is early loss of spouse indicated of

1st lord in 6th?

 

Ans: This foxes me but I will try. The maraka of the

spouse gives the native cause for worry and tension

(6th house affairs) and thus early loss.

 

Question 6: For lagna lord in 7th. Why is there a

possibilty of short lived wife?

 

Ans: Again I do not know - maybe bec of the lord being

in its maraka sthan?

 

 

Questoin 7: For lagna lord in 7th, What causes

possible asceticism?

 

Ans: The 7th is the door and also the way. the LL or

the native being there means that he will always be

unattached (willingly or otherwise) to things which

may bring the detachment and the

not-being-rooted-to-one-spot quality to him. It is

also the opposite of the ascendant (which shows the

ego coming into action) and so this house can show the

fall of the ego.

 

Question 8: Why does 8th house indicates others wife?

Ans: I do not know this one - sustenance of one's

spouse/marriage is there but 'others wife'...

 

Question 9: Lagna lord in 9th,10th and 11th causes

blessings of

Vishnu, Ganesha and Shiva. Why?

 

Ans: 9th house karaka is Jupiter - Maha Vishnu. 

10th house - I do not know but could be that no work

(10th house) can be accomplished without the blessings

of Lord Ganesha..

11th house - is the house of the hara of the danda -

or the end of/ freedom from the problem.

 

Question 10: What factor in 12th house cases a person

to be short

tempered, when lagna lord goes there?

 

Ans: The LL will aspect the 6th house from here

increasing worries and tensions.

 

Rohini

 

 

--- sanjayprabhakaran <sanjayp

wrote:

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

>

> Dear Jyotish Students,

> Since the list is not discussing some basics I

> thought of starting a

> discussion on Lagna lord in various houses.

>

> COVA

> If the Lord is in the ascendant, the native is

> strong, fickle minded,

> brave, intelligent, with two or more wives,

> mahapurush (great person)

> and blessed by the Sun God.

>

> BPHS

> agneshe lagnage dehasukhabhAg.h bhujavikramI |

> manasvI chaJNchalashchaiva dvibhAryo parago.api va

> || 24.1||

> 1. Effects of Lagn's Lord in Various Bhavas (up to

> Sloka 12). Should

> Lagn's Lord be in Lagn itself, the native will be

> endowed with

> physical happiness and prowess. He will be

> intelligent, fickle-

> minded, will have two wives and will unite with

> other females.

>

> Question 1. Why does Lagna lord in lagna gives 2 or

> more wives?.

>

>

> COVA

> If the Lord is in the second house, the native is

> scholarly, wealthy,

> happy, religious, honorable and passionate. Progenic

> bliss will be

> hard to obtain.

>

> Question 2. Why is progenic bliss will be hard to be

> obtained for

> lagna lord in 2nd?.

>

> BPHS

> lagneshe sutage jantoH sutasaukhyaM cha madhyamam.h

> |

> prathamApatyanAshaH syAnmAnI krodhI nR^ipapriyaH ||

> 5||

> 5. If Lagn's Lord is in Putr Bhava, the native will

> have mediocre

> progenic happiness, will lose his first child, be

> honourable, given

> to anger and be dear to king.

>

> Question 3: For lagna lord in 5th, Why is progenic

> happiness mediocre

> and lose first child?.

> Question 4: For lagna lord in 5th, Why will the

> person be given to

> anger?.

>

>

>

> COVA

> If the Lord is in the sixth house, debts and ill

> health are

> indicated. He will be troubled by enemies. He will

> be intelligent and

> courageous and if benefics aspect or during the

> period of lagnesh

> will destroy enemies, acquire wealth and a royal

> status. Early loss

> of spouse is indicated.

>

> Question 5: Why is early loss of spouce indicated of

> 1st lord in 6th?

>

>

> COVA

>

> If the Lord is in the seventh house, wife is short

> lived; more than

> one marriage and misfortunes are indicated. Unless

> the lagnesh is

> strong the native could become an ascetic or nomad.

> If strong, great

> wealth and prosperity are indicated.

>

> Question 6: For lagna lord in 7th. Why is there a

> possibilty of short

> lived wife?.

>

> Questoin 7: For lagna lord in 7th, What causes

> possible asceticism?.

>

>

> BPHS

>

> lagneshe.ashhTamage jAtaH siddhavidyAvishAradaH |

> rogI chauro mahAkrodhI dyUtI cha paradAragaH || 8||

> 8. If Lagn's Lord is in Randhr Bhava, the native

> will be an

> accomplished scholar, be sickly, thievish, be given

> to much anger, be

> a gambler and will join others' wives

>

> Question 8: Why does 8th house indicates others

> wife?.

>

> COVA:

> Question 9: Lagna lord in 9th,10th and 11th causes

> blessings of

> Vishnu, Ganesha and Shiva. Why?

>

> BPHS:

> lagneshe vyayabhAvasthe dehasaukhyavivarjitaH |

> vyarthavyayI mahAkrodhI shubhadR^ig.hyogavarjite ||

> 12||

> 12. If Lagn's Lord is in Vyaya Bhava and is devoid

> of benefic Drishti

> and/or Yuti, the native will be bereft of physical

> happiness, will

> spend unfruitfully and be given to much anger.

>

> Question 10: What factor in 12th house cases a

> person to be short

> tempered, when lagna lord goes there?.

>

>

> If you have time please take part in this so we can

> spend some time

> Improving our basics.

>

> Warm regards

> S. Prabhakaran

>

> Om tat sat

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Another answer could be,LL placed in Lagna,aspects the 7th house.In this case a

Maha Purush is born who has blessings of SUN which promotes good health.Good

Health could be one of the reason for multiple affairs.As rohiniji said,LL

aspecting the 7th shall promote the 7th house.LL's aspect on 7th house shows

the native's desire to have more than one wife.This may be the reason for more

marriages. > Question 2. Why is progenic bliss will be hard to be obtained for

> lagna lord in 2nd?. > > ANS : Naturally any benefic planets in 4th from any

house produces > suba-argala on the latter one.And this subargala will be

obstructed > by any planet in 10th from the said house.So this may be due to

the > virodargala of lagna lord in 2nd house on any benefic argala produced >

by planets in 8th house on 5th house. SanjayP: So you consider Lagna lord to be

benefic or malefic?. Krithi

: i think,Lagna lord is always benefic for the native even if he ows a

dusthana.That's why gurudev mentions the stone of lagna as "Life Stone".But

while applying argala we should consider its karaktwas also. Benefics are

Jupiter, Venus, Moon (Waxing or S8 to K5), Mercury associated with them.

Malefics are Mars, Saturn, Rahu, Ketu, Moon (Waning or K5 to k15- amavasya),

mercury associated with these. Krithi : Yes,i think this is the standard

definition for natural benefics and natural malefic.But,I would like to differ

here slightly,particularly when we use argala principles.While using argala

princliple,i think we should consider the Natural karakatwa of a planet for

judging the good and bad results of argala.For example If we consider saturn as

malefic always as per the above definition and say for ex saturn is in 9th

house.As per the above definition,saturn will produce malefic argala on 8th

house.But in this case it will not be malefic argala rather it will be a benefic

argala on 8th house, since sat is the natural Ayush Karaka(8th house).Iam just

writing what i understood about argala.Pls correct me if am wrong . > Question

6: For lagna lord in 7th. Why is there a possibilty of short > lived wife?. > >

ANS : No idea.I think it should give strong dominating wife. SanjayP: So a

dominating spouce gets killed ? Krithi : May be > Question 8: Why does

8th house indicates others wife?. > > ANS : No idea.I think it may indicate

peoples involved in breaking > the first marriage.It may indicate females other

than Darma Patini. SanjayP: So it is not necessarily others wife?. any unwedded

girl could also indicate it?. Krithi : Since 8th house is maraka for 7th

house,planets in 8th may involve in

breaking the marriage.Really i donot understand the logic behind the sentance

"8th house indicates others wife". > > Question 9: Lagna lord in 9th,10th and

11th causes blessings of > Vishnu, Ganesha and Shiva. Why? > > > ANS : 9th

house indicates fortune,bakya which are represented by Maha > Vishnu.He

provides food for our survival.So lagna lord in this house > indicates

blessings of vishnu. > > 10th house represents the Middle Heaven ,which is

the direction > of Moksha.Ganeshji being the deity of Ketu(Moksha karaka) eats

all > the ladoos(Removes our sins) and yeilds us moksha by his blessing.So LL

in 10th may show the blessings of Ganeshji. SanjayP: So Vishnu or Shiva does

not give moksha?. What is so unique about Lagna lord in 10th which makes it

similar to Ganesha?. Krithi : i have not written

anything about deities giving moksha.I just related ganesha(deity of ketu) with

10th house by considering the direction of ketu,which is direct towards heaven

which is also shown by 10th house(Mid Heaven).It is just my guess. > >

11th house from any house is the house of destruction for the > latter said

house.Shivaji,as rudra does destruction work.So LL in > 11th house may show

blessings of Shivji. > SanjayP: yes, JUS: tanau tana danda hara 6th &

it's 6th are punishment and Hara/Shiva. But why Shiva?. But what has destruciton

got to do with blessings. We are counting blessings here. Krithi : No idea.

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Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Sudarshan and other Jyotishas,

 

> Question 7: For lagna lord in 7th, What causes possible asceticism?.

>

> Since Venus represents kalatra bhava and Sun(karaka for Lagnesh) is

inimical to Venus, it will destroy venusian qualities and therefore

lead to asceticism.

>

> I had originally replied in my previous email that it was because

Lagnesh was a maraka but that didnt really answer the question.In my

humble opinion this fits better.

 

SanjayP: Let me give my views,

 

BPHS says

 

lagneshe saptame pApe bhAryA tasya na jIvati |

shubhe.aTano daridro vA virakto vA nR^ipo.api vA || 7||

7. If Lagn's Lord is a malefic and is placed in Yuvati Bhava, the

natives wife will not live (long). If the Grah in question is a

benefic, one will wander aimlessly, face penury and be dejected. He

will alternatively become a king (if the said Grah is strong).

 

We see that two contradictory indications are said by Maharishi

Parasara, either one becomes disinterested in worldy life or can even

become a King.

 

Guruji says in COVA when lord travels a certain distance

a)Count from house to lord, that signifcance is lost

b)Count lord to house that significance is gained.

 

So here we have a=7 and also b=7. So 7th house significance is either

lost or gained. 7th is house of desires. 7th and 2nd can make a

person Srimantha. So the Person can have all the Shri or not. This

yoga has to judged with other Raja Yoga and Acetic Yoga.

Please refer to Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's and Indira Gandhi's chart.

 

Warm Regards

S. Prabhakaran

Om Tat Sat

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SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

i was away from the list for quite some time now. i shall try to answer your questions.

Lagna lord in lagna:- When the lagna lord is in lagna the Arudha goes to the

10th which is called as Swargapuri. The native is likely to be caught in the

maya associated with Swargapuri.

Lagna lord in 2nd:- When the lagna lord is in the 2nd house, the Arudha falls in

the 3rd house. When the lagna lord, which has the tendency to behave as Sun, is

found placed in the 2nd house and as a result of its placement in 2nd, the AL

is forced to absorb the tendencies of the 3rd house, there is a possibility of

blockage to progenic bliss(similar to Sun in 12th toA3).

i am running short of time now. i shall continue this later.

Best wishes.

Astrologically yours,

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Dear P.S.

 

Could you elaborate on >>maya associated with Swargapuri<< - what is it?

 

Thanks - Sateesh.

 

 

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P.S. RAMANARAYANAN

 

Friday, October 10, 2003 4:15 AM

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Lagna lord in lagna:- When the lagna lord is in lagna the Arudha goes to the

10th which is called as Swargapuri. The native is likely to be caught in the

maya associated with Swargapuri.

 

 

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Dear Sateesh,

 

Let me try. The tenth house is also the throne of Indra the demigod who rules

Swarga or the heavens and consequently the throne in the native's chart. So if

the lagna lord is in the first, the Arudha Lagna falls in Swargapuri or the

MidHeaven(10th House). This could mean that the person could yearn for power

i.e the need to rule and dominate over others. The second interpretation of

this placement could also be that the native yearns for the pleasures of the

demigods.

 

SInce we are talking about the Arudha Lagna, this is how the world perceives the person.

 

Hare Krishna

 

SudharsanSateesh Batas <makara (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear P.S.

 

Could you elaborate on >>maya associated with Swargapuri<< - what is it?

 

Thanks - Sateesh.

 

 

-

P.S. RAMANARAYANAN

 

Friday, October 10, 2003 4:15 AM

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Exercise: Lagna Lord

 

 

Lagna lord in lagna:- When the lagna lord is in lagna the Arudha goes to the

10th which is called as Swargapuri. The native is likely to be caught in the

maya associated with Swargapuri.

 

 

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Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

i hope you might have seen my earlier mail in this regard. Let me continue.

Lagna lord in 5th:- When the lagna lord is in 5th, the Arudha falls in 9th. Let

us see what 5th is? It is the peak of the activity that has manifested in 8th.

In other words 5th is 10th to 8th. Longevity factor comes to a culmination on

the thithi ruled by the strongest significator of 5th. This is an important

principle. By extending this thought we can conclude that the AL has a role to

play in limiting the longevity factor relating to progeny when the lagna lord

is placed in 5th.

As regards anger, 5th in general means simha kshetra, where the lion is expected to roar.

Lagna lord in 6th:- When the lagna lord is in 6th, the arudha falls in 11th,

which is 5th to 7th/kalatra sthana. As explained earlier 5th has a role to put

an end to the longevity factor, it is logical to expect early loss of spouse if

lagna lord is found placed in 6th.

Lagna lord in 7th:- Placement of lagna lord in 7th is somewhat similar to

placement of Sun in Libra(sukra kshetra) where Sani is exalted. It is quite

logical to expect discounted marital bliss. On account of inner turmoils we can

expect early death of spouse as well as the individual to take to nivritti

marga. It is here the person is forced to learn the maya associated with

swargapuri(AL is placed in 10th/swargaloka). Kama dahana(burning of kama) takes

place(Mars is exalted in the 10th/makara kshetra of kaalapursha jataka) marking

the beginning of new birth(sanyasa).

There is a difference between the two placements - (1) lagna lord placed in

lagna and the (2) lagna lord placed in 7th. In the first case the Arudha lagna

is in the 10th to lagna lord whereas in the second case the Arudha lagna is

placed in the 4th to lagna lord. 10th represents the loka of enjoyments,

whereas, 4th represents the patala loka, where the lessons relating to

sufferings of the body, are taught in a manner, which is ineffaceable.

Lagna lord in 8th:- When the lagna lord is placd in 8th, the AL falls in the

3rd, which belongs to the kama trikona, where the pleasure loving Rahu leads

the casinos/pleasure houses of Mithuna. It is logical to conclude that the 8th

placement leads to others' spouse.

Lagna lord in 9th:- 9th represents the dhanu kshetra where ketu is exalted. Ketu

is headless. Ketu represents tapaswi. 9th represents the lord. Lagna lord in 9th

gives a subtle hint of Nara-Narayana. Let me deviate from the main question to

understand the story of Nara-Narayana. There is a story relating to Karna.

Karna was born with kavacha(protective gear) and kundala(ornament worn in

ears). He was born to Mata Kundhi and the Sun God. In his previous birth he

belonged to the clan of Asuras. On account of his great will power and on

account of the power of his penance he was granted the boon of 1000 shoulders

each with a kavach and ears with a beautiful kundala by Lord Brahma. In order

to kill him, his 1000 shoulders were to cut first and that the one who cuts the

shoulder will die. He grew in power because of the boon given by Brahma. When

the time ripened for his death Sriman Narayana descended on earth as Nara and

Narayana in Badrika ashrama. They landed in Badrika ashrama to do tapas. They

had to the tapas just to give the power of tapas to each other. Narayana would

entertain a fight with the asura and cut one of his shoulders while Nara would

be busy doing tapas. When the shoulder is cut Nara would transfer the power

gained on account of his tapas to Narayana and he would continue the fight with

the Asura. When he cuts one of his shoulders Narayana would confer upon Nara the

powers of his tapas to Nara and start fighting with the asura. This way Nara

Narayana cut 998 shoulders of the asura. The asura understanding the danger to

his life took refuge in the Surya loka seeking protection. When Kundi tested the

mantra given by Sage Durvasa to her, Surya who was summoned by the mantra let

out the asura in the world, so as to enable the Nara-Narayana(Arjuna&Krishna)

to complete the task left unfinished. Thus karna came out with kavacha and

kundala. This dhanur kshetra is a clear representative of this dual principle

of Nara and Narayana. Let me not deviate further from the main question. As per

the dictates of the lord, to establish dharma, the lord would manifest/descend.

9th house is the abode of Dharma and therefore the placement of lagna lord in

9th indicates the blessings of Lord Sriman Narayana.

Lagna lord in 10th:- Whenever the lagna lord is placed in 10th it gives an

indication that the native is ready to give himself for the job undertaken. Ved

Vyasa wanted to bring out the epic Mahabharatha. The force within him was such

that he could not write it as fast as the message was being flashed to him.

Lord Ganesha undertook to do this job for him. For this job he cut his tusk

and he used it as his pen. The work was completed very easily. For those who

are ready to undertake great works and who are ready to accept even physical

sufferings for the sake of the work on hand the blessings of the lord Ganesha

will undoubtedly be there.

Lagna lord in 11th:- 11th is Hara kshetra. Whenever the individual is ready to

consume the poisons of evil for the sake of humanity at large the blessings of

Lord Hara would undoubtedly be there.(the lord drank the alahala taking the

well being of all into consideration).

Lagna lord in12th:- Placement of lagna lord in 12th is akin to placement of Sun

in 12th which is his maraka sthana. When the lagna lord is placed in 12th the

Arudha falls in 11th. This means that the individual would act in a manner

detrimental to his own status and interest which would definitely annoy him.

When a person is unhapy with himself, he is likely to be short tempered.

i hope to see your response.

Best wishes.

Astrologically yours,

psramanrayanan

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Dear P.S.,

 

What is this? >>to take to nivritti marga.<<

 

Thanks - Sateesh.

 

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Saturday, October 11, 2003 6:48 AM

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Exercise: Lagna Lord

Lagna lord in 7th:- Placement of lagna lord in 7th is somewhat similar to

placement of Sun in Libra(sukra kshetra) where Sani is exalted. It is quite

logical to expect discounted marital bliss. On account of inner turmoils we can

expect early death of spouse as well as the individual to take to nivritti

marga. It is here the person is forced to learn the maya associated with

swargapuri(AL is placed in 10th/swargaloka). Kama dahana(burning of kama) takes

place(Mars is exalted in the 10th/makara kshetra of kaalapursha jataka) marking

the beginning of new birth(sanyasa).

 

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Dear Sateesh,

Vritti means waves. Nivritti means return of the waves to its source. In other

words self-referral inclination. Retracing is the other word. Sun is the

Atman. Sani is the shareera/body. The travel from Sun to Sani is bhog marga.

The travel from Sani to Sun is called as nivritti marga. When the AK

surrenders/looks for its source the marga adopted is called nivritti marga.

i hope this helps.

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Dear Sateesh,

What i meant to say was that when the lagna lord is in lagna then AL falls in

the 10th house which is the house of devas. Since 10th is related to devaloka

the rules of devas are also to be applied.

Also Swargapuri is the place where pleasure rules. In this loka(world) thoughts

are given weightage over and above the physical contacts. You might have heard

the story of mantras(related to mind) yielding children(Mata Kunthi and the

power of the mantras chanted by her gave to this world the pancha pandavas).

You may be aware the karaka to AL is Moon. Moon representing the mind is the

birth place of all thoughts. Gandharva vivaha should also be given weightage.

i hope this helps.

Astrologically yours,

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Dear P.S.,

 

Many thanks for this - I have a friend who is Virgo with 1st Lord in 1st, and he

acts like a King to all and sundry.

 

Sateesh.

 

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Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Exercise: Lagna Lord

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Sateesh,

What i meant to say was that when the lagna lord is in lagna then AL falls in

the 10th house which is the house of devas. Since 10th is related to devaloka

the rules of devas are also to be applied.

Also Swargapuri is the place where pleasure rules. In this loka(world) thoughts

are given weightage over and above the physical contacts. You might have heard

the story of mantras(related to mind) yielding children(Mata Kunthi and the

power of the mantras chanted by her gave to this world the pancha pandavas).

You may be aware the karaka to AL is Moon. Moon representing the mind is the

birth place of all thoughts. Gandharva vivaha should also be given weightage.

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Dear Ramanarayan and other learned members,

Thanks for sharing story of last birth of Karna.

Here are my views on some of your thoughts,

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You Said:

>Lagna lord in 5th:- When the lagna lord is in 5th, the Arudha falls

in 9th. Let us see what 5th is? It is the peak of the activity that

has manifested in 8th. In other words 5th is 10th to 8th. Longevity

factor comes to a culmination on the thithi ruled by the strongest

significator of 5th. This is an important principle. By extending

this thought we can conclude that the AL has a role to play in

limiting the longevity factor relating to progeny when the lagna lord

is placed in 5th.

 

SanjayP:

Since you are deriving this from tithi of death from 5th house dictum

let me say, that only the planets in 5th or planet's aspects on 5th

house determine the Tithi of death. I dont think that Arudha in 5th

contributes to death. Moreover they determine the Time of death not

death itself. If you say that an Arudha in 9th is detrimental to 5th

can you say that any Arudha in 5th house is detrimental to the

native?.

 

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You Said:

Lagna lord in 6th:- When the lagna lord is in 6th, the arudha falls

in 11th, which is 5th to 7th/kalatra sthana. As explained earlier 5th

has a role to put an end to the longevity factor, it is logical to

expect early loss of spouse if lagna lord is found placed in 6th.

 

SanjayP:

In case of Maraka lords the more afflicted one gets the potential to

kill when maraka is exalted or in own house they loose the sting to

kill.

The dictum is better explained when you refer from 7th house. Lagna

lord and 8th lord are maraka's to spouse, As they are 7th and 2nd

lords from 7th. The 7th lord (Maraka) for spouse is badly afflicted

as it's not only in 6th for the whole chart indicating general

troubles to individual but the maraka itself is 6th house from it's

own house indicating trouble to the spouse.

A Similar dictum you may note from Rishi Jaimini for female charts if

8th lord is in 12th the girl may loose mangalya(spouse). 8th house

considered a very important maangalya (mA~Ngalya=Auspiciousness

indicator important of them being spouse) for women chart.

----------------------------

 

You Said:

 

Lagna lord in 7th:- Placement of lagna lord in 7th is somewhat

similar to placement of Sun in Libra(sukra kshetra) where Sani is

exalted. It is quite logical to expect discounted marital bliss. On

account of inner turmoils we can expect early death of spouse as well

as the individual to take to nivritti marga. It is here the person is

forced to learn the maya associated with swargapuri(AL is placed in

10th/swargaloka). Kama dahana(burning of kama) takes place(Mars is

exalted in the 10th/makara kshetra of kaalapursha jataka) marking the

beginning of new birth(sanyasa).

 

SanjayP:

You are just focusing on

Parasara also says (nripo api vaa (nR^ipo.api vA)) the person can

possibly become a king too!.

 

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Lagna lord in 8th:- When the lagna lord is placd in 8th, the AL falls

in the 3rd, which belongs to the kama trikona, where the pleasure

loving Rahu leads the casinos/pleasure houses of Mithuna. It is

logical to conclude that the 8th placement leads to others' spouse.

 

 

SanjayP: 8th house is also loss of dharma. Gita gives a reason for

fall of dharma.

Also note that another place where the person may going to other's

spouse is mentioned is in lagna lord in lagna (BPHS: '...parago.api

va 24.1').

Note that both places are maraka to 7th house.

 

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Apart from you views For lagna lord in 9th,10th,11th,

 

I will just add a few more thoughts from Kaalchakra for grazing...

 

Vaishnavas fast on Ekadasai, 11th tithi ( tithi ruled by mars

9+3=11/Note 3rd house 7th from 9th)

 

For Ganesh Worship Chaturthi (4th tithi) is important. 4th is 7th

from 10th house.

 

Every month in Krishna paksha chathurdhasi (fourteenth tithi) is

called masa Shiva rathri. 14=9+5. note that 5th house is 7th from

11th house.

 

Note the strong association between tithi and the house!.

 

7th house is house of desires and 'Heart'.

 

 

Hope you all are enjoying this.

 

Warm regards

S. Prabhakaran

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Namaste S. PrabhakaranJi,

A wonderful analysis indeed...There is one question

about Lagna Lord and AK that I have been searching for

a long time but in vain...if possible please do help..

what will be the effect of lagna lord if

1...lagna lord is AK

2...lagna lord is also the 12th.lord..sat in case of

Aqua asc..

3...Lagna lord in seventh. house

4...lagna lord is also d-9 lord

5...lagna lord associated with 2nd. , 11th., 6th. lord

6...will such an association lead VRY as lagna lord is

also 12th.lord..

7...Lagna lord a functional malefic i.e. Saturn

 

Under all these circumstances will lagna lord behave

as a lagna lord or AK or 12th.lord more strongly..what

kind of results could be expected in Lagna lord's dasa

/ antardasa

 

Please do clarify

 

 

 

 

 

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Shouveek,

 

The questions you have asked are combination of more than one

effects. Focus on individual basics and then we would understand the

combinations.

 

> 1...lagna lord is AK.

 

Please read the Atmakaaraka chapter and also Lagna lord analysis and

then try to combine both.

 

A) Ak is signifies one's soul. It's the source of spiritual light in

the chart. It's, like the Sun, The king of the chart. Like the

Paramatma It can be a source of infinite wisdom and light.

 

B) Lagna Lord is called Paka lagna, The seat of intelligence.

 

When Lagna lord is Ak you can take this as Ak conjoining the Lagna

lord.

 

 

> 2...lagna lord is also the 12th.lord..sat in case of

> Aqua asc..

 

Read the effects of 12th lord and then try to understand what happens

if they combine. Try to understand what the 12th house and it's lord

signifies.

Please read the 12th lord in various houses effects in BPHS, COVA,

HTJH etc.

 

> 3...Lagna lord in seventh. house

 

We are discussing this currently. Please read the earlier mails.

 

 

> 4...lagna lord is also d-9 lord

 

Try to understand what the Lagna in Divisional chart stands for.

Then try to understand what the Paka lagna in a division signifies. I

think the clue lies in the usage of Lagnaamsaka Dasa. (Lagnamasaka

dasa is given in Narayana Dasa Book, also a lecture of Narasimhaji in

East coast conference will be soon available).

 

> 5...lagna lord associated with 2nd. , 11th., 6th. lord

> 6...will such an association lead VRY as lagna lord is

> also 12th.lord..

 

We will do this as a combined exercise, Please list the effects of

2nd, 11th and 6th lord. Then try to guess the effects of the

combination. Please post all you analysis to the list, so all of us

can learn from your studies.

 

 

> 7...Lagna lord a functional malefic i.e. Saturn

 

In CoVA the following is given for Capricorn and Aquarius lagna

 

4.210. Capricorn

Short/tall stature; slender body; thin face, plain looking; long

protruding chin; thin neck; dark hair and weak knees; emaciated

figure unless Saturn is strong.

 

4.2.11 Aquarius

Middle stature; stout and robust body that is *not internally

strong*; long face; clear complexion; hazel eyes;

 

For this we have to understand the nature of a malefics.

We see that Saturn even if owns the lagna may not give good health.

For Aries lagna the person can be accident prone. So the

significances of the houses owned by malefics are difficult to get.

For Lagna lord being a malefic it will affect the body and the

intellect. Depending on the nature of the malefic the difficultly

will be. Example, Saturn can cause weekness and delay, as in case of

Capricorn lagna one gets weak knees. In case of mars one has to incur

violence as in Aries lagna being Accident prone and also prone to

errors due impulse.

 

We can get into discussion on planets and houses owned by them latter.

 

Or you please list the effects when Suturn owns each house from 1st

house to 12th house and then we can deduce the commonality. I think

all list members can add your study once you post it. Please refer to

CoVA, HTJH(How to Judge a Horoscope by BVRaman), BPHS etc.

 

 

 

 

Warm Regards

S. Prabhakaran

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dear sanjayji,

before I come up with the excerpts from the books u

had suggested, let me tell u some incidents that have

made me think about this issue..

The combination of 7-8 cases i just mentioned was my

own..i was going thru mar-jup dasa but a major

overseas opportunity was lost...i had no work...no

future to look forward to..i dreaded that mar-sat

would really kill me...however thus on the verge of

start of mar-sat i got a job in the second largest s/w

company of the world..i am doing really well...my

dreams seem to be reviving..i feel humble...

in an apparantly bad combination like mar-sat , i got

the best possible offer any engineer could get...thus

this inquiry...i shall get back to u with my studies..

regards and respect

souvik

 

 

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wrote:

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Dear Shouveek,

>

> The questions you have asked are combination of

> more than one

> effects. Focus on individual basics and then we

> would understand the

> combinations.

>

> > 1...lagna lord is AK.

>

> Please read the Atmakaaraka chapter and also Lagna

> lord analysis and

> then try to combine both.

>

> A) Ak is signifies one's soul. It's the source of

> spiritual light in

> the chart. It's, like the Sun, The king of the

> chart. Like the

> Paramatma It can be a source of infinite wisdom and

> light.

>

> B) Lagna Lord is called Paka lagna, The seat of

> intelligence.

>

> When Lagna lord is Ak you can take this as Ak

> conjoining the Lagna

> lord.

>

>

> > 2...lagna lord is also the 12th.lord..sat in case

> of

> > Aqua asc..

>

> Read the effects of 12th lord and then try to

> understand what happens

> if they combine. Try to understand what the 12th

> house and it's lord

> signifies.

> Please read the 12th lord in various houses effects

> in BPHS, COVA,

> HTJH etc.

>

> > 3...Lagna lord in seventh. house

>

> We are discussing this currently. Please read the

> earlier mails.

>

>

> > 4...lagna lord is also d-9 lord

>

> Try to understand what the Lagna in Divisional

> chart stands for.

> Then try to understand what the Paka lagna in a

> division signifies. I

> think the clue lies in the usage of Lagnaamsaka

> Dasa. (Lagnamasaka

> dasa is given in Narayana Dasa Book, also a lecture

> of Narasimhaji in

> East coast conference will be soon available).

>

> > 5...lagna lord associated with 2nd. , 11th., 6th.

> lord

> > 6...will such an association lead VRY as lagna

> lord is

> > also 12th.lord..

>

> We will do this as a combined exercise, Please list

> the effects of

> 2nd, 11th and 6th lord. Then try to guess the

> effects of the

> combination. Please post all you analysis to the

> list, so all of us

> can learn from your studies.

>

>

> > 7...Lagna lord a functional malefic i.e. Saturn

>

> In CoVA the following is given for Capricorn and

> Aquarius lagna

>

> 4.210. Capricorn

> Short/tall stature; slender body; thin face, plain

> looking; long

> protruding chin; thin neck; dark hair and weak

> knees; emaciated

> figure unless Saturn is strong.

>

> 4.2.11 Aquarius

> Middle stature; stout and robust body that is *not

> internally

> strong*; long face; clear complexion; hazel eyes;

>

> For this we have to understand the nature of a

> malefics.

> We see that Saturn even if owns the lagna may not

> give good health.

> For Aries lagna the person can be accident prone. So

> the

> significances of the houses owned by malefics are

> difficult to get.

> For Lagna lord being a malefic it will affect the

> body and the

> intellect. Depending on the nature of the malefic

> the difficultly

> will be. Example, Saturn can cause weekness and

> delay, as in case of

> Capricorn lagna one gets weak knees. In case of mars

> one has to incur

> violence as in Aries lagna being Accident prone and

> also prone to

> errors due impulse.

>

> We can get into discussion on planets and houses

> owned by them latter.

>

> Or you please list the effects when Suturn owns each

> house from 1st

> house to 12th house and then we can deduce the

> commonality. I think

> all list members can add your study once you post

> it. Please refer to

> CoVA, HTJH(How to Judge a Horoscope by BVRaman),

> BPHS etc.

>

>

>

>

> Warm Regards

> S. Prabhakaran

>

>

 

 

 

 

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SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

Thank you for your response. i am placing my comments on the observations made by you below:-

1. At the outset i wish to state that i am a learning member and an upasaka of

this great subject and not a learned one.

2. Lagna lord in 5th:- i believe

(a):-Arudha padas do have a great role to play

(b):- 5th house is not only 10th from 8th but also 7th from 11th house. Rudra's

intention to remove the illusory bondage between jeeva and shareera finds an

expression in the 5th house.

©:-One of the closely guarded secrets in the field of remedial measures is to

consider giving the kartha/son in adoption to the lord to get benefit of

extention of longevity of the native.

(d):- 5th house is also called as the poorva punya sthana. Punya chart is the

chart drawn at the time of death of an individual. Shastyamsa is the 5th level

of harmonic charts/vargas. 5th is 6th to 12th house where the karmic activities

are stored with a purpose of transmission.

(e):- Simha kshetra which is supposed to be the royal sign of kala purusha is

the 5th house and is said to contain the jeeva jyothi in the "Hridaya

gufa/cave".

(f):- Jeevas which can slip through/transcend via the gates(5th house) of

initiation(pranava/prana/bliss) and stay in the state of samadhi in the hridaya

gufa are supposed to have cut the granthis(death equivalent) which hold them

with the shareera/body.

(g):- death cannot be considered detrimental especially when birth is not considered so.

(h): 5th house has greater scope for exploration.

3.Lagna lord in 6th:- Let us take up the case of dual signs. If the ascendant

lord of the dual sign is placed in the 6th house, then, with reference to the

7th house the ascendant lord is considered to be the badhaka and its placement

in 12th is construed to be good. Can you kindly quote(if possible) the

Maharishi Jaimini's slokha for female charts(placement of 8th lord in 12th) for

quick reference. Here again you may kindly note that 12th is 5th from 8th.

4.Lagna lord in 7th:- i had considered the exaltation of Sani in 7th when i

thought over the placement of lagna lord(Sun) in the 7th house. This gives a

hint about the association of lagna lord with a planet which is supposed to be

causative for the birth of a Maha purusha yoga(Sasa). There is every

possibility of the individual becoming a king and also a tapaswi like King

Janaka who was called as 'videha'(bodyless/one who has gone beyond the

deha-atma-buddhi consciousness).

5.Lagna lord in 8th house:- 8th house is also gives hints about loss of dharma

as it is the 12th house from 9th house. However there exists a difference in

this placement and the one where lagna lord is placed in lagna.

6. Lagna lord in 9th,10th and 11th houses:- Can you kindly tell me the source

from where you have linked thithis with houses please? Can you kindly explain

as to why ekadasi,chathurthi and chaturdasis were linked to the lords Narayana,

Ganesha and Shiva?

Birth is generally identified with the nakshatras and the death is identified

with the thithis. It is an irony when you consider the birth of krishna. It is

called as the janma ashtami. Phiolosophically it gives a hint that the lord is

the beginning and the end(continuum). In the Sakthi cult the thitis are

worshipped as devathas(thithi nitya devathas - 16 in all). Thithi in general

means the distance between the Moon and the Sun. If you consider the Sun as

the lord Shiva and the Moon as the Mata Parvathi then on the lunar day of

Pounima/pournami when Moon is found placed in the 7th place from Sun, the

Mother is called as Kaameswaree. The name kameswaree gives a subtle hint that

Mother on the full moon day expresses herself as the desire(Moon placed in the

7th house from Sun) of kameswara.

Yes Sanjay i am enjoying this thread.

Best wishes.

Astrologically yours,

psramanrayanan

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