RE: [SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Longevity Analysis

September 21, 2003

Dear Neeraj,

It is said that when different life spans are indicated by diferent methods,

death occurs in the period that is the longest period and other shorter periods

represent problems to health.I doubt if Mars is marakesh for Karka lagna . It is

yogakaraka. Marekesh ownership is not aquired by aspects.Primary Marakesh are

Lords of 2nd and 7th.Lords of 3rd 8th and 11th can act as marakesh 11th lord

being stronger of the three in ascending order of malefeacance.

Chandrashekhar.

Neeraj Gupta

[gupta_neeraj_2000 ]Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:16 PMTo:

GJ[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Longevity Analysis

Longevity Analysis

I am writing this only for the sake of learning. It is not written for fun,

neither to do some prediction. As it is analysis for longevity, so I had used

my own chart, as predictions of longevity are not done in general. Kindly note

that I am just a student of vedic astrology, and the below is ONLY a sample

analysis from my side (with whatever little knowledge I possess). Kindly do not

take it in a negative way. This analysis might be of help to you, as I have used

different concepts that I studied and applied them. You may require my birth

data.

D.o.B – 14 April, 1978

Time: 15:33 PM

Place of Birth – New Delhi, India

Part – I – Marakas

Marakas:

Mercury (second Lord) and Saturn (seventh Lord) Rahu (Placement of Malefic

planet in second house) Mars may be considered maraka, as it aspects 7th House

with 8th Aspect, though it is Yog Karaka for lagna

For good longevity, 2nd and 7th lord and houses should be weak and 3rd and 8th

Lord and houses should be strong.

In this chart, 3 of the marakas are weak

Mercury is weak (as it is debilitated), but learnt that Deb+retro gives some

effect of exaltation, so will be considering it strong Saturn is weak (in first

house, 00:12:22.09) Mars (as it is debilitated)

Strong Maraka

Rahu (in second house at 11:31:27.44) – It is in old age, and results will be

some (if it would have been at more than 12:00:00, the stage will be yuva and

results would be full). Mercury will be considered strong, as it is both

debilitated + retro and also placed with malefic Ketu. Mercury is at

25:50:11.62

Part – II – Calculation of Rudra, Trishoola and Maheshwara

Rudra – Consider the Lord of 8th house from lagna or 7th house. (Note that 8th

house is not considered in normal way here, it is on the basis of Brahama,

Vishnu and shiva motion). The stronger lord becomes Rudra. As Saturn is in leo,

so this is exception, so we will be taking 8th house in normal way.

Here Lagna is Leo – 8th house from Leo is Pisces. Lord of Pisces is Jupiter.

Here 7th House is Aquarius – 8th house from Aquarius is Virgo. Lord of Virgo is Mercury.

Here mercury qualifies for Rudra (as it is debilitated and placed with ketu), if

considered other way round retro+deb = exaltation result, then also mercury will

qualify, I suppose, not sure.

Trishoola – It is seen by trines from rashi occupied by Rudra. Rudra (Mer) is in

Pisces. So Trishoola Rashis becomes trines from Pisces i.e. Pi, Cn and Sc (1st,

5th and 9th from Pi respectively).

Maheshwara – It is lord of 8th from AK though 3 exceptions are there. Since none

of exceptions are coming in this case, so they are not discussed here. In this

case Mercury is AK placed in Pisces. Now 8th house from Pisces is Libra. So

Lord of Libra, Venus becomes Maheshwara.

Part – III – Method of Three Pairs

Three pairs will be considered

Lagna Lord and Lord of 8th House (8th house is not be found in normal way), but

as Saturn exception is there, so 8th house will be found in normal way. Moon

and Saturn Lagna and Hora Lagna

Lagna Lord (sun) + Lord of 8th house, in this case Pi (Ju) = Ar (movable) + Ge

(dual) Moon + Saturn = Ge (dual) + Le (fixed) Lagna + Hora Lagna = Le (fixed)

+ Cp (movable)

Now Let us see the results of above 3

Movable + Dual = short life Dual + Fixed = Long Life Fixed + Movable = Middle Life

Now as all the three are different, we will give preference to the combination

of Lagna and Hora Lagna i.e. Middle life (36-72 years)

Part – IV – Eigth Lord Method

In this method, we see stronger from Lagna and the 7th house and take it as

reference point. Then we see 8th lord from this reference point. Placement of

8th lord from reference point indicates longevity (quadrant, panaphara and

apoklima stands for long, middle and short life respectively)

Here Lagna is Leo and 7th House is Aquarius. Here Lagna is strong as 7th house

is empty. So reference point is Leo. Now see 8th Lord from Leo i.e. Pisces

(Jupiter). Now Jupiter is placed in 11th House from reference point Leo. This

is in Panaphara, so Middle life is indicated (36-72 years)

Part – V – Niryaana Shoola Dasha

We will find stronger of the 8th and 2nd house. Here 8th house is stronger, as

it contains 2 planets. So dasha will start from Pi. It is dual even rashi, so

dasas will go backward i.e pi (9 yrs), Aq(8 yrs), Cp (7 yrs), Sg(9 yrs), Sc(8

yrs), Li(7 yrs), Vi(9 yrs), Le(8 yrs), Cn(7 yrs), Ge(9 yrs), Ta(8 yrs), Ar(7

yrs)

9+8+7+9+8+7+9+8+7 = 72 years

Now Trishoola rashis calculated were Pi, Cn and Sc

As we estimated the middle life i.e.36-72 years, Dasha of Scorpio i.e.

9+8+7+9=33 years the Scorpio dasha will start, so native may have some

mis-happening in this phase i.e. from 33-41 years, and If being lucky at this

point Dasha of Cancer will start at 72 year, and that may cause mis-happening

at that time.

Sorry, but don't want to go much deeper in this aspect.

Request to Gurus / Senior Members – Kindly correct me, If I had gone wrong at

any point. Your suggestions / comments will be helpful for clarifying the

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September 21, 2003

Dear Sir,

May I add?.

The lagnadhipathi, Sun is in the 9th.The

ashtamadhipathi Jupiter is in the 11th and the

dasamadhipathi, Venus is also in the 9th.Lagna lord is

exalted.These are good indications.Suns situation in a

chara rasi is not conducive.The sign dispositor of Sun

and Vebus is debilitated.Venus and Sun seem to be

weak.

Mercury and Ketu are in the 8th house.Mercury is

debilitated.He is in exchange of signs with

Jupiter.This is not good.Saturn is posited in

Lagnam.He is a papi.Lagna has papakartari.There is

kalasarpam in addition.

These, also, are important considerations to asses

longevity.Am I right?.

With regards,

jagannathan.

jagannathankr

--- Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel wrote:

> Dear Neeraj,

> It is said that when different life spans are

> indicated by diferent methods,

> death occurs in the period that is the longest

> period and other shorter

> periods represent problems to health.I doubt if Mars

> is marakesh for Karka

> lagna . It is yogakaraka. Marekesh ownership is not

> aquired by

> aspects.Primary Marakesh are Lords of 2nd and

> 7th.Lords of 3rd 8th and 11th

> can act as marakesh 11th lord being stronger of the

> three in ascending order

> of malefeacance.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Neeraj Gupta

> [gupta_neeraj_2000]

> Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:16 PM

> GJ

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Longevity Analysis

>

> Longevity Analysis

>

> I am writing this only for the sake of learning.

> It is not written for

> fun, neither to do some prediction. As it is

> analysis for longevity, so I

> had used my own chart, as predictions of longevity

> are not done in general.

> Kindly note that I am just a student of vedic

> astrology, and the below is

> ONLY a sample analysis from my side (with whatever

> little knowledge I

> possess). Kindly do not take it in a negative way.

> This analysis might be of

> help to you, as I have used different concepts that

> I studied and applied

> them. You may require my birth data.

>

> D.o.B – 14 April, 1978

>

> Time: 15:33 PM

>

> Place of Birth – New Delhi, India

>

> Part – I – Marakas

>

> Marakas:

>

> 1.. Mercury (second Lord) and Saturn (seventh

> Lord)

> 2.. Rahu (Placement of Malefic planet in second

> house)

> 3.. Mars may be considered maraka, as it aspects

> 7th House with 8th

> Aspect, though it is Yog Karaka for lagna

>

> For good longevity, 2nd and 7th lord and houses

> should be weak and 3rd and

> 8th Lord and houses should be strong.

>

> In this chart, 3 of the marakas are weak

>

> 1.. Mercury is weak (as it is debilitated), but

> learnt that Deb+retro

> gives some effect of exaltation, so will be

> considering it strong

> 2.. Saturn is weak (in first house, 00:12:22.09)

> 3.. Mars (as it is debilitated)

>

> Strong Maraka

>

> 1.. Rahu (in second house at 11:31:27.44) – It

> is in old age, and

> results will be some (if it would have been at more

> than 12:00:00, the stage

> will be yuva and results would be full).

> 2.. Mercury will be considered strong, as it is

> both debilitated + retro

> and also placed with malefic Ketu. Mercury is at

> 25:50:11.62

>

> Part – II – Calculation of Rudra, Trishoola and

> Maheshwara

>

> Rudra – Consider the Lord of 8th house from lagna

> or 7th house. (Note that

> 8th house is not considered in normal way here, it

> is on the basis of

> Brahama, Vishnu and shiva motion). The stronger lord

> becomes Rudra. As

> Saturn is in leo, so this is exception, so we will

> be taking 8th house in

> normal way.

>

> Here Lagna is Leo – 8th house from Leo is Pisces.

> Lord of Pisces is

> Jupiter.

>

> Here 7th House is Aquarius – 8th house from

> Aquarius is Virgo. Lord of

> Virgo is Mercury.

>

> Here mercury qualifies for Rudra (as it is

> debilitated and placed with

> ketu), if considered other way round retro+deb =

> exaltation result, then

> also mercury will qualify, I suppose, not sure.

>

> Trishoola – It is seen by trines from rashi

> occupied by Rudra. Rudra (Mer)

> is in Pisces. So Trishoola Rashis becomes trines

> from Pisces i.e. Pi, Cn and

> Sc (1st, 5th and 9th from Pi respectively).

>

> Maheshwara – It is lord of 8th from AK though 3

> exceptions are there.

> Since none of exceptions are coming in this case, so

> they are not discussed

> here. In this case Mercury is AK placed in Pisces.

> Now 8th house from Pisces

> is Libra. So Lord of Libra, Venus becomes

> Maheshwara.

>

> Part – III – Method of Three Pairs

>

> Three pairs will be considered

>

> 1.. Lagna Lord and Lord of 8th House (8th house

> is not be found in

> normal way), but as Saturn exception is there, so

> 8th house will be found in

> normal way.

> 2.. Moon and Saturn

> 3.. Lagna and Hora Lagna

>

> 1.. Lagna Lord (sun) + Lord of 8th house, in

> this case Pi (Ju) = Ar

> (movable) + Ge (dual)

> 2.. Moon + Saturn = Ge (dual) + Le (fixed)

> 3.. Lagna + Hora Lagna = Le (fixed) + Cp

> (movable)

>

> Now Let us see the results of above 3

>

> 1.. Movable + Dual = short life

> 2.. Dual + Fixed = Long Life

> 3.. Fixed + Movable = Middle Life

>

> Now as all the three are different, we will give

> preference to the

> combination of Lagna and Hora Lagna i.e. Middle life

> (36-72 years)

>

> Part – IV – Eigth Lord Method

>

> In this method, we see stronger from Lagna and the

> 7th house and take it

> as reference point. Then we see 8th lord from this

> reference point.

> Placement of 8th lord from reference point indicates

> longevity (quadrant,

> panaphara and apoklima stands for long, middle and

> short life respectively)

>

> Here Lagna is Leo and 7th House is Aquarius. Here

> Lagna is strong as 7th

> house is empty. So reference point is Leo. Now see

> 8th Lord from Leo i.e.

> Pisces (Jupiter). Now Jupiter is placed in 11th

> House from reference point

> Leo. This is in Panaphara, so Middle life is

> indicated (36-72 years)

>

> Part – V – Niryaana Shoola Dasha

>

> We will find stronger of the 8th and 2nd house.

> Here 8th house is

> stronger, as it contains 2 planets. So dasha will

> start from Pi. It is dual

> even rashi, so dasas will go backward i.e pi (9

> yrs), Aq(8 yrs), Cp (7 yrs),

> Sg(9 yrs), Sc(8 yrs), Li(7 yrs), Vi(9 yrs), Le(8

> yrs), Cn(7 yrs), Ge(9 yrs),

> Ta(8 yrs), Ar(7 yrs)

>

> 9+8+7+9+8+7+9+8+7 = 72 years

>

> Now Trishoola rashis calculated were Pi, Cn and Sc

>

> As we estimated the middle life i.e.36-72 years,

> Dasha of Scorpio i.e.

> 9+8+7+9=33 years the Scorpio dasha will start, so

> native may have some

> mis-happening in this phase i.e. from 33-41 years,

> and If being lucky at

> this point Dasha of Cancer will start at 72 year,

> and that may cause

> mis-happening at that time.

>

> Sorry, but don't want to go much deeper in this

> aspect.

>

> Request to Gurus / Senior Members – Kindly

> correct me, If I had gone

> wrong at any point. Your suggestions / comments will

> be helpful for

> clarifying the concepts.

>

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Sun is the best planet in this chart, it is exalted as

well as vargottama, it is weak only because at 00:33.

see the degrees of the planets. KSY is broken by

Mercury. Yes saturn is placed in lagna, but it is

directionally fallen and very weak 00:12.

The analysis that I wrote was just to give the

calculations, that pertains to longevity.

Yes there are other things too, that have to be seen

for longevity, but in this analysis, I put only the

maraka planets and other things related to longevity.

Some people are of the view of partial KSY, which I am

not sure, is there anything called Partial KSY.

warm regards,

Neeraj Gupta

--- kapisthalam jagannathan

<jagannathankr wrote:

> Dear Sir,

> May I add?.

> The lagnadhipathi, Sun is in the 9th.The

> ashtamadhipathi Jupiter is in the 11th and the

> dasamadhipathi, Venus is also in the 9th.Lagna lord

> is

> exalted.These are good indications.Suns situation in

> a

> chara rasi is not conducive.The sign dispositor of

> Sun

> and Vebus is debilitated.Venus and Sun seem to be

> weak.

> Mercury and Ketu are in the 8th house.Mercury is

> debilitated.He is in exchange of signs with

> Jupiter.This is not good.Saturn is posited in

> Lagnam.He is a papi.Lagna has papakartari.There is

> kalasarpam in addition.

> These, also, are important considerations to asses

> longevity.Am I right?.

> With regards,

> jagannathan.

> jagannathankr

>

> --- Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel

> wrote:

> > Dear Neeraj,

> > It is said that when different life spans are

> > indicated by diferent methods,

> > death occurs in the period that is the longest

> > period and other shorter

> > periods represent problems to health.I doubt if

> Mars

> > is marakesh for Karka

> > lagna . It is yogakaraka. Marekesh ownership is

> not

> > aquired by

> > aspects.Primary Marakesh are Lords of 2nd and

> > 7th.Lords of 3rd 8th and 11th

> > can act as marakesh 11th lord being stronger of

> the

> > three in ascending order

> > of malefeacance.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Neeraj Gupta

> > [gupta_neeraj_2000]

> > Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:16 PM

> > GJ

> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Longevity

> Analysis

> >

> > Longevity Analysis

> >

> > I am writing this only for the sake of learning.

> > It is not written for

> > fun, neither to do some prediction. As it is

> > analysis for longevity, so I

> > had used my own chart, as predictions of longevity

> > are not done in general.

> > Kindly note that I am just a student of vedic

> > astrology, and the below is

> > ONLY a sample analysis from my side (with whatever

> > little knowledge I

> > possess). Kindly do not take it in a negative way.

> > This analysis might be of

> > help to you, as I have used different concepts

> that

> > I studied and applied

> > them. You may require my birth data.

> >

> > D.o.B – 14 April, 1978

> >

> > Time: 15:33 PM

> >

> > Place of Birth – New Delhi, India

> >

> > Part – I – Marakas

> >

> > Marakas:

> >

> > 1.. Mercury (second Lord) and Saturn (seventh

> > Lord)

> > 2.. Rahu (Placement of Malefic planet in

> second

> > house)

> > 3.. Mars may be considered maraka, as it

> aspects

> > 7th House with 8th

> > Aspect, though it is Yog Karaka for lagna

> >

> > For good longevity, 2nd and 7th lord and houses

> > should be weak and 3rd and

> > 8th Lord and houses should be strong.

> >

> > In this chart, 3 of the marakas are weak

> >

> > 1.. Mercury is weak (as it is debilitated),

> but

> > learnt that Deb+retro

> > gives some effect of exaltation, so will be

> > considering it strong

> > 2.. Saturn is weak (in first house,

> 00:12:22.09)

> > 3.. Mars (as it is debilitated)

> >

> > Strong Maraka

> >

> > 1.. Rahu (in second house at 11:31:27.44) – It

> > is in old age, and

> > results will be some (if it would have been at

> more

> > than 12:00:00, the stage

> > will be yuva and results would be full).

> > 2.. Mercury will be considered strong, as it

> is

> > both debilitated + retro

> > and also placed with malefic Ketu. Mercury is at

> > 25:50:11.62

> >

> > Part – II – Calculation of Rudra, Trishoola and

> > Maheshwara

> >

> > Rudra – Consider the Lord of 8th house from

> lagna

> > or 7th house. (Note that

> > 8th house is not considered in normal way here, it

> > is on the basis of

> > Brahama, Vishnu and shiva motion). The stronger

> lord

> > becomes Rudra. As

> > Saturn is in leo, so this is exception, so we will

> > be taking 8th house in

> > normal way.

> >

> > Here Lagna is Leo – 8th house from Leo is

> Pisces.

> > Lord of Pisces is

> > Jupiter.

> >

> > Here 7th House is Aquarius – 8th house from

> > Aquarius is Virgo. Lord of

> > Virgo is Mercury.

> >

> > Here mercury qualifies for Rudra (as it is

> > debilitated and placed with

> > ketu), if considered other way round retro+deb =

> > exaltation result, then

> > also mercury will qualify, I suppose, not sure.

> >

> > Trishoola – It is seen by trines from rashi

> > occupied by Rudra. Rudra (Mer)

> > is in Pisces. So Trishoola Rashis becomes trines

> > from Pisces i.e. Pi, Cn and

> > Sc (1st, 5th and 9th from Pi respectively).

> >

> > Maheshwara – It is lord of 8th from AK though 3

> > exceptions are there.

> > Since none of exceptions are coming in this case,

> so

> > they are not discussed

> > here. In this case Mercury is AK placed in Pisces.

> > Now 8th house from Pisces

> > is Libra. So Lord of Libra, Venus becomes

> > Maheshwara.

> >

>

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September 22, 2003

Dear Jagannathan,

Lagnadhipati in exaltation is ,by itself, a good yoga. Saturn in Lagna usually

gives long life.Otherwise what you say is logical.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

kapisthalam jagannathan

[jagannathankr (AT) (DOT) co.in]Monday, September 22, 2003 9:37 AMTo:

Subject: RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Longevity

AnalysisDear Sir,May I add?. The lagnadhipathi, Sun is in the

9th.Theashtamadhipathi Jupiter is in the 11th and thedasamadhipathi, Venus is

also in the 9th.Lagna lord isexalted.These are good indications.Suns situation

in achara rasi is not conducive.The sign dispositor of Sunand Vebus is

debilitated.Venus and Sun seem to beweak.Mercury and Ketu are in the 8th

house.Mercury isdebilitated.He is in exchange of signs withJupiter.This is not

good.Saturn is posited inLagnam.He is a papi.Lagna has papakartari.There

iskalasarpam in addition.These, also, are important considerations to

asseslongevity.Am I right?.With

regards,jagannathan.jagannathankr (AT) (DOT) co.in--- Chandrashekhar Sharma

<boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> Dear Neeraj,> It is said that when different life

spans are> indicated by diferent methods,> death occurs in the period that is

the longest> period and other shorter> periods represent problems to health.I

doubt if Mars> is marakesh for Karka> lagna . It is yogakaraka. Marekesh

ownership is not> aquired by> aspects.Primary Marakesh are Lords of 2nd and>

7th.Lords of 3rd 8th and 11th> can act as marakesh 11th lord being stronger of

the> three in ascending order> of malefeacance.> Chandrashekhar.>

> Neeraj Gupta>

[gupta_neeraj_2000 ]> Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:16

PM> GJ> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Longevity Analysis> > > >

Longevity Analysis> > > > I am writing this only for the sake of learning.>

It is not written for> fun, neither to do some prediction. As it is> analysis

for longevity, so I> had used my own chart, as predictions of longevity> are

not done in general.> Kindly note that I am just a student of vedic> astrology,

and the below is> ONLY a sample analysis from my side (with whatever> little

knowledge I> possess). Kindly do not take it in a negative way.> This analysis

might be of> help to you, as I have used different concepts that> I studied and

applied> them. You may require my birth data.> > > > D.o.B – 14 April, 1978> >

Time: 15:33 PM> > Place of Birth – New Delhi, India> > > > Part – I –

Marakas> > > > Marakas:> > > > 1.. Mercury (second Lord) and Saturn

(seventh> Lord)> 2.. Rahu (Placement of Malefic planet in second> house)>

3.. Mars may be considered maraka, as it aspects> 7th House with 8th> Aspect,

though it is Yog Karaka for lagna> > > For good longevity, 2nd and 7th lord

and houses> should be weak and 3rd and> 8th Lord and houses should be strong.>

> > > In this chart, 3 of the marakas are weak> > > 1.. Mercury is weak

(as it is debilitated), but> learnt that Deb+retro> gives some effect of

exaltation, so will be> considering it strong> 2.. Saturn is weak (in first

house, 00:12:22.09)> 3.. Mars (as it is debilitated)> > > Strong Maraka> >

> 1.. Rahu (in second house at 11:31:27.44) – It> is in old age, and>

results will be some (if it would have been at more> than 12:00:00, the stage>

will be yuva and results would be full).> 2.. Mercury will be considered

strong, as it is> both debilitated + retro> and also placed with malefic Ketu.

Mercury is at> 25:50:11.62> > > > > Part – II – Calculation of Rudra,

Trishoola and> Maheshwara> > > Rudra – Consider the Lord of 8th house from

lagna> or 7th house. (Note that> 8th house is not considered in normal way

here, it> is on the basis of> Brahama, Vishnu and shiva motion). The stronger

lord> becomes Rudra. As> Saturn is in leo, so this is exception, so we will> be

taking 8th house in> normal way.> > > > Here Lagna is Leo – 8th house from Leo

is Pisces.> Lord of Pisces is> Jupiter.> > Here 7th House is Aquarius – 8th

house from> Aquarius is Virgo. Lord of> Virgo is Mercury.> > > > Here mercury

qualifies for Rudra (as it is> debilitated and placed with> ketu), if considered

other way round retro+deb => exaltation result, then> also mercury will qualify,

I suppose, not sure.> > > > Trishoola – It is seen by trines from rashi>

occupied by Rudra. Rudra (Mer)> is in Pisces. So Trishoola Rashis becomes

trines> from Pisces i.e. Pi, Cn and> Sc (1st, 5th and 9th from Pi

respectively).> > > > > > Maheshwara – It is lord of 8th from AK though 3>

exceptions are there.> Since none of exceptions are coming in this case, so>

they are not discussed> here. In this case Mercury is AK placed in Pisces.> Now

8th house from Pisces> is Libra. So Lord of Libra, Venus becomes> Maheshwara.> >

> > > > Part – III – Method of Three Pairs> > > Three pairs will be

considered> > > > 1.. Lagna Lord and Lord of 8th House (8th house> is not

be found in> normal way), but as Saturn exception is there, so> 8th house will

be found in> normal way.> 2.. Moon and Saturn> 3.. Lagna and Hora

Lagna> > > 1.. Lagna Lord (sun) + Lord of 8th house, in> this case Pi (Ju)

= Ar> (movable) + Ge (dual)> 2.. Moon + Saturn = Ge (dual) + Le (fixed)>

3.. Lagna + Hora Lagna = Le (fixed) + Cp> (movable)> > > Now Let us see the

results of above 3> > > > 1.. Movable + Dual = short life> 2.. Dual +

Fixed = Long Life> 3.. Fixed + Movable = Middle Life> > > Now as all the

three are different, we will give> preference to the> combination of Lagna and

Hora Lagna i.e. Middle life> (36-72 years)> > > > Part – IV – Eigth Lord

Method> > > In this method, we see stronger from Lagna and the> 7th house and

take it> as reference point. Then we see 8th lord from this> reference point.>

Placement of 8th lord from reference point indicates> longevity (quadrant,>

panaphara and apoklima stands for long, middle and> short life respectively)> >

> Here Lagna is Leo and 7th House is Aquarius. Here> Lagna is strong as 7th>

house is empty. So reference point is Leo. Now see> 8th Lord from Leo i.e.>

Pisces (Jupiter). Now Jupiter is placed in 11th> House from reference point>

Leo. This is in Panaphara, so Middle life is> indicated (36-72 years)> > > > >

> Part – V – Niryaana Shoola Dasha> > > We will find stronger of the 8th

and 2nd house.> Here 8th house is> stronger, as it contains 2 planets. So dasha

will> start from Pi. It is dual> even rashi, so dasas will go backward i.e pi

(9> yrs), Aq(8 yrs), Cp (7 yrs),> Sg(9 yrs), Sc(8 yrs), Li(7 yrs), Vi(9 yrs),

Le(8> yrs), Cn(7 yrs), Ge(9 yrs),> Ta(8 yrs), Ar(7 yrs)> > > >

9+8+7+9+8+7+9+8+7 = 72 years> > > > Now Trishoola rashis calculated were Pi,

Cn and Sc> > > > As we estimated the middle life i.e.36-72 years,> Dasha of

Scorpio i.e.> 9+8+7+9=33 years the Scorpio dasha will start, so> native may

have some> mis-happening in this phase i.e. from 33-41 years,> and If being

lucky at> this point Dasha of Cancer will start at 72 year,> and that may

cause> mis-happening at that time.> > Sorry, but don't want to go much

deeper in this> aspect.> > Request to Gurus / Senior Members – Kindly>

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September 22, 2003

~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

Respected Chandarashekhar Ji,

Pranaam

Does KSY has any effect on longevity, because I had

not considered that aspect in analysis. Also you

mentioned in your previous mail that strength of 3rd

and 8th lords are also to be considered. That was not

very clear to me. Could you please kindly explain?

Kind regards,

Neeraj Gupta

--- Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel wrote:

> Dear Jagannathan,

> Lagnadhipati in exaltation is ,by itself, a good

> yoga. Saturn in Lagna

> usually gives long life.Otherwise what you say is

> logical.

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> kapisthalam jagannathan

> [jagannathankr]

> Monday, September 22, 2003 9:37 AM

>

> RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Longevity

> Analysis

>

> Dear Sir,

> May I add?.

> The lagnadhipathi, Sun is in the 9th.The

> ashtamadhipathi Jupiter is in the 11th and the

> dasamadhipathi, Venus is also in the 9th.Lagna

> lord is

> exalted.These are good indications.Suns situation

> in a

> chara rasi is not conducive.The sign dispositor of

> Sun

> and Vebus is debilitated.Venus and Sun seem to be

> weak.

> Mercury and Ketu are in the 8th house.Mercury is

> debilitated.He is in exchange of signs with

> Jupiter.This is not good.Saturn is posited in

> Lagnam.He is a papi.Lagna has papakartari.There is

> kalasarpam in addition.

> These, also, are important considerations to asses

> longevity.Am I right?.

> With regards,

> jagannathan.

> jagannathankr

>

> --- Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel

> wrote:

> > Dear Neeraj,

> > It is said that when different life spans are

> > indicated by diferent methods,

> > death occurs in the period that is the longest

> > period and other shorter

> > periods represent problems to health.I doubt if

> Mars

> > is marakesh for Karka

> > lagna . It is yogakaraka. Marekesh ownership is

> not

> > aquired by

> > aspects.Primary Marakesh are Lords of 2nd and

> > 7th.Lords of 3rd 8th and 11th

> > can act as marakesh 11th lord being stronger of

> the

> > three in ascending order

> > of malefeacance.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Neeraj Gupta

> > [gupta_neeraj_2000]

> > Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:16 PM

> > GJ

> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Longevity

> Analysis

> >

> > Longevity Analysis

> >

> > I am writing this only for the sake of

> learning.

> > It is not written for

> > fun, neither to do some prediction. As it is

> > analysis for longevity, so I

> > had used my own chart, as predictions of

> longevity

> > are not done in general.

> > Kindly note that I am just a student of vedic

> > astrology, and the below is

> > ONLY a sample analysis from my side (with

> whatever

> > little knowledge I

> > possess). Kindly do not take it in a negative

> way.

> > This analysis might be of

> > help to you, as I have used different concepts

> that

> > I studied and applied

> > them. You may require my birth data.

> >

> > D.o.B – 14 April, 1978

> >

> > Time: 15:33 PM

> >

> > Place of Birth – New Delhi, India

> >

> > Part – I – Marakas

> >

> > Marakas:

> >

> > 1.. Mercury (second Lord) and Saturn

> (seventh

> > Lord)

> > 2.. Rahu (Placement of Malefic planet in

> second

> > house)

> > 3.. Mars may be considered maraka, as it

> aspects

> > 7th House with 8th

> > Aspect, though it is Yog Karaka for lagna

> >

> > For good longevity, 2nd and 7th lord and

> houses

> > should be weak and 3rd and

> > 8th Lord and houses should be strong.

> >

> > In this chart, 3 of the marakas are weak

> >

> > 1.. Mercury is weak (as it is debilitated),

> but

> > learnt that Deb+retro

> > gives some effect of exaltation, so will be

> > considering it strong

> > 2.. Saturn is weak (in first house,

> 00:12:22.09)

> > 3.. Mars (as it is debilitated)

> >

> > Strong Maraka

> >

> > 1.. Rahu (in second house at 11:31:27.44) –

> It

> > is in old age, and

> > results will be some (if it would have been at

> more

> > than 12:00:00, the stage

> > will be yuva and results would be full).

> > 2.. Mercury will be considered strong, as it

> is

> > both debilitated + retro

> > and also placed with malefic Ketu. Mercury is at

> > 25:50:11.62

> >

> > Part – II – Calculation of Rudra, Trishoola

> and

> > Maheshwara

> >

> > Rudra – Consider the Lord of 8th house from

> lagna

> > or 7th house. (Note that

> > 8th house is not considered in normal way here,

> it

> > is on the basis of

> > Brahama, Vishnu and shiva motion). The stronger

> lord

> > becomes Rudra. As

> > Saturn is in leo, so this is exception, so we

> will

> > be taking 8th house in

> > normal way.

> >

> > Here Lagna is Leo – 8th house from Leo is

> Pisces.

> > Lord of Pisces is

> > Jupiter.

> >

> > Here 7th House is Aquarius – 8th house from

> > Aquarius is Virgo. Lord of

> > Virgo is Mercury.

> >

> > Here mercury qualifies for Rudra (as it is

> > debilitated and placed with

>

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September 22, 2003

~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

Respected Chandrashekhar Ji,

Pranaam

I couldn't understand the following clearly.

>Lords of 3rd 8th and 11th

> can act as marakesh 11th lord being stronger of the

> three in ascending order

> of malefeacance.

If possible for you, kindly explain it with help of

some example. Do we consider all the above three as

marakas and the strongest one becomes markesh?

Please clarify my doubt

Kind regards,

Neeraj Gupta

--- kapisthalam jagannathan

<jagannathankr wrote:

> Dear Sir,

> May I add?.

> The lagnadhipathi, Sun is in the 9th.The

> ashtamadhipathi Jupiter is in the 11th and the

> dasamadhipathi, Venus is also in the 9th.Lagna lord

> is

> exalted.These are good indications.Suns situation in

> a

> chara rasi is not conducive.The sign dispositor of

> Sun

> and Vebus is debilitated.Venus and Sun seem to be

> weak.

> Mercury and Ketu are in the 8th house.Mercury is

> debilitated.He is in exchange of signs with

> Jupiter.This is not good.Saturn is posited in

> Lagnam.He is a papi.Lagna has papakartari.There is

> kalasarpam in addition.

> These, also, are important considerations to asses

> longevity.Am I right?.

> With regards,

> jagannathan.

> jagannathankr

>

> --- Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel

> wrote:

> > Dear Neeraj,

> > It is said that when different life spans are

> > indicated by diferent methods,

> > death occurs in the period that is the longest

> > period and other shorter

> > periods represent problems to health.I doubt if

> Mars

> > is marakesh for Karka

> > lagna . It is yogakaraka. Marekesh ownership is

> not

> > aquired by

> > aspects.Primary Marakesh are Lords of 2nd and

> > 7th.Lords of 3rd 8th and 11th

> > can act as marakesh 11th lord being stronger of

> the

> > three in ascending order

> > of malefeacance.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Neeraj Gupta

> > [gupta_neeraj_2000]

> > Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:16 PM

> > GJ

> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Longevity

> Analysis

> >

> > Longevity Analysis

> >

> > I am writing this only for the sake of learning.

> > It is not written for

> > fun, neither to do some prediction. As it is

> > analysis for longevity, so I

> > had used my own chart, as predictions of longevity

> > are not done in general.

> > Kindly note that I am just a student of vedic

> > astrology, and the below is

> > ONLY a sample analysis from my side (with whatever

> > little knowledge I

> > possess). Kindly do not take it in a negative way.

> > This analysis might be of

> > help to you, as I have used different concepts

> that

> > I studied and applied

> > them. You may require my birth data.

> >

> > D.o.B – 14 April, 1978

> >

> > Time: 15:33 PM

> >

> > Place of Birth – New Delhi, India

> >

> > Part – I – Marakas

> >

> > Marakas:

> >

> > 1.. Mercury (second Lord) and Saturn (seventh

> > Lord)

> > 2.. Rahu (Placement of Malefic planet in

> second

> > house)

> > 3.. Mars may be considered maraka, as it

> aspects

> > 7th House with 8th

> > Aspect, though it is Yog Karaka for lagna

> >

> > For good longevity, 2nd and 7th lord and houses

> > should be weak and 3rd and

> > 8th Lord and houses should be strong.

> >

> > In this chart, 3 of the marakas are weak

> >

> > 1.. Mercury is weak (as it is debilitated),

> but

> > learnt that Deb+retro

> > gives some effect of exaltation, so will be

> > considering it strong

> > 2.. Saturn is weak (in first house,

> 00:12:22.09)

> > 3.. Mars (as it is debilitated)

> >

> > Strong Maraka

> >

> > 1.. Rahu (in second house at 11:31:27.44) – It

> > is in old age, and

> > results will be some (if it would have been at

> more

> > than 12:00:00, the stage

> > will be yuva and results would be full).

> > 2.. Mercury will be considered strong, as it

> is

> > both debilitated + retro

> > and also placed with malefic Ketu. Mercury is at

> > 25:50:11.62

> >

> > Part – II – Calculation of Rudra, Trishoola and

> > Maheshwara

> >

> > Rudra – Consider the Lord of 8th house from

> lagna

> > or 7th house. (Note that

> > 8th house is not considered in normal way here, it

> > is on the basis of

> > Brahama, Vishnu and shiva motion). The stronger

> lord

> > becomes Rudra. As

> > Saturn is in leo, so this is exception, so we will

> > be taking 8th house in

> > normal way.

> >

> > Here Lagna is Leo – 8th house from Leo is

> Pisces.

> > Lord of Pisces is

> > Jupiter.

> >

> > Here 7th House is Aquarius – 8th house from

> > Aquarius is Virgo. Lord of

> > Virgo is Mercury.

> >

> > Here mercury qualifies for Rudra (as it is

> > debilitated and placed with

> > ketu), if considered other way round retro+deb =

> > exaltation result, then

> > also mercury will qualify, I suppose, not sure.

> >

> > Trishoola – It is seen by trines from rashi

> > occupied by Rudra. Rudra (Mer)

> > is in Pisces. So Trishoola Rashis becomes trines

> > from Pisces i.e. Pi, Cn and

> > Sc (1st, 5th and 9th from Pi respectively).

> >

> > Maheshwara – It is lord of 8th from AK though 3

> > exceptions are there.

> > Since none of exceptions are coming in this case,

> so

> > they are not discussed

> > here. In this case Mercury is AK placed in Pisces.

> > Now 8th house from Pisces

> > is Libra. So Lord of Libra, Venus becomes

> > Maheshwara.

> >

>

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Dear Chandrasekhar ji,

I agree with you.

With regards,

jagannathan.

--- Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote:

> ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

>

> Respected Chandarashekhar Ji,

> Pranaam

>

> Does KSY has any effect on longevity, because I had

> not considered that aspect in analysis. Also you

> mentioned in your previous mail that strength of 3rd

> and 8th lords are also to be considered. That was

> not

> very clear to me. Could you please kindly explain?

>

> Kind regards,

>

> Neeraj Gupta

>

> --- Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel

> wrote:

> > Dear Jagannathan,

> > Lagnadhipati in exaltation is ,by itself, a good

> > yoga. Saturn in Lagna

> > usually gives long life.Otherwise what you say is

> > logical.

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > kapisthalam jagannathan

> > [jagannathankr]

> > Monday, September 22, 2003 9:37 AM

> >

> > RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Longevity

> > Analysis

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> > May I add?.

> > The lagnadhipathi, Sun is in the 9th.The

> > ashtamadhipathi Jupiter is in the 11th and the

> > dasamadhipathi, Venus is also in the 9th.Lagna

> > lord is

> > exalted.These are good indications.Suns

> situation

> > in a

> > chara rasi is not conducive.The sign dispositor

> of

> > Sun

> > and Vebus is debilitated.Venus and Sun seem to

> be

> > weak.

> > Mercury and Ketu are in the 8th house.Mercury is

> > debilitated.He is in exchange of signs with

> > Jupiter.This is not good.Saturn is posited in

> > Lagnam.He is a papi.Lagna has papakartari.There

> is

> > kalasarpam in addition.

> > These, also, are important considerations to

> asses

> > longevity.Am I right?.

> > With regards,

> > jagannathan.

> > jagannathankr

> >

> > --- Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Neeraj,

> > > It is said that when different life spans are

> > > indicated by diferent methods,

> > > death occurs in the period that is the longest

> > > period and other shorter

> > > periods represent problems to health.I doubt

> if

> > Mars

> > > is marakesh for Karka

> > > lagna . It is yogakaraka. Marekesh ownership

> is

> > not

> > > aquired by

> > > aspects.Primary Marakesh are Lords of 2nd and

> > > 7th.Lords of 3rd 8th and 11th

> > > can act as marakesh 11th lord being stronger

> of

> > the

> > > three in ascending order

> > > of malefeacance.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Neeraj Gupta

> > > [gupta_neeraj_2000]

> > > Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:16 PM

> > > GJ

> > > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Longevity

> > Analysis

> > >

> > > Longevity Analysis

> > >

> > > I am writing this only for the sake of

> > learning.

> > > It is not written for

> > > fun, neither to do some prediction. As it is

> > > analysis for longevity, so I

> > > had used my own chart, as predictions of

> > longevity

> > > are not done in general.

> > > Kindly note that I am just a student of vedic

> > > astrology, and the below is

> > > ONLY a sample analysis from my side (with

> > whatever

> > > little knowledge I

> > > possess). Kindly do not take it in a negative

> > way.

> > > This analysis might be of

> > > help to you, as I have used different concepts

> > that

> > > I studied and applied

> > > them. You may require my birth data.

> > >

> > > D.o.B – 14 April, 1978

> > >

> > > Time: 15:33 PM

> > >

> > > Place of Birth – New Delhi, India

> > >

> > > Part – I – Marakas

> > >

> > > Marakas:

> > >

> > > 1.. Mercury (second Lord) and Saturn

> > (seventh

> > > Lord)

> > > 2.. Rahu (Placement of Malefic planet in

> > second

> > > house)

> > > 3.. Mars may be considered maraka, as it

> > aspects

> > > 7th House with 8th

> > > Aspect, though it is Yog Karaka for lagna

> > >

> > > For good longevity, 2nd and 7th lord and

> > houses

> > > should be weak and 3rd and

> > > 8th Lord and houses should be strong.

> > >

> > > In this chart, 3 of the marakas are weak

> > >

> > > 1.. Mercury is weak (as it is

> debilitated),

> > but

> > > learnt that Deb+retro

> > > gives some effect of exaltation, so will be

> > > considering it strong

> > > 2.. Saturn is weak (in first house,

> > 00:12:22.09)

> > > 3.. Mars (as it is debilitated)

> > >

> > > Strong Maraka

> > >

> > > 1.. Rahu (in second house at 11:31:27.44)

> –

> > It

> > > is in old age, and

> > > results will be some (if it would have been at

> > more

> > > than 12:00:00, the stage

> > > will be yuva and results would be full).

> > > 2.. Mercury will be considered strong, as

> it

> > is

> > > both debilitated + retro

> > > and also placed with malefic Ketu. Mercury is

> at

> > > 25:50:11.62

> > >

> > > Part – II – Calculation of Rudra, Trishoola

> > and

> > > Maheshwara

> > >

> > > Rudra – Consider the Lord of 8th house from

> > lagna

> > > or 7th house. (Note that

> > > 8th house is not considered in normal way

> here,

> > it

> > > is on the basis of

> > > Brahama, Vishnu and shiva motion). The

> stronger

> > lord

> > > becomes Rudra. As

> > > Saturn is in leo, so this is exception, so we

> > will

> > > be taking 8th house in

> > > normal way.

> > >

> > > Here Lagna is Leo – 8th house from Leo is

> > Pisces.

> > > Lord of Pisces is

> > > Jupiter.

> > >

> > > Here 7th House is Aquarius – 8th house from

> > > Aquarius is Virgo. Lord of

> > > Virgo is Mercury.

> > >

> > > Here mercury qualifies for Rudra (as it is

> > > debilitated and placed with

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Dear Neeraj,

One has to understand that merely being marakesh does not necessarily mean

that one dies in their Dashas /antars.There are primary Marakesh like 2nd

and 7th lord with 7th lord being the stronger of the two. Simalar is the

case with lords of 3,8 and 11.Death will come when Dasha matching the Aayu

period operates and antar of another Marakesh also operates together with

appropriate transit of planets wrt the ascendant. Whether a marakesh will in

fact give rise to death would depend on conjunctions, aspects etc that the

marakesh receives and his house position.So in short any of the 5 can act as

marakesh wrt actual death of the jataka.Lord of the 22nd dreshkana/64th

navamsha,also,can act as Marakesh. This is why, you will observe,I am

reluctant to comment on longevity unless some real health related problem

arises. This would necessiate one to assess the planetary position as at

that point of time some help or concrete information can be given to the

jataka, which will be of help to him. My personal opinion is that

astrologers should concentrate on providing relief to Jataka and not

everybody is mentally strong to accept death as a perfectly normal

phenomenon.More so as there is always an element of possible error in any

predictive science.

For example, I know when I am going to die, but if I tell this to my family

they would be devastated.Certainly not a good thing to do. The right thing

for me would be to prepare my will so that those left behind are not put to

trouble after my death;which incidentally what I have done, though death is

not imminent.

Hope this helps,

Chandrashekhar.

Neeraj Gupta [gupta_neeraj_2000]

Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:19 AM

RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Longevity Analysis

~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

Respected Chandrashekhar Ji,

Pranaam

I couldn't understand the following clearly.

>Lords of 3rd 8th and 11th

> can act as marakesh 11th lord being stronger of the

> three in ascending order

> of malefeacance.

If possible for you, kindly explain it with help of

some example. Do we consider all the above three as

marakas and the strongest one becomes markesh?

Please clarify my doubt

Kind regards,

Neeraj Gupta

--- kapisthalam jagannathan

<jagannathankr wrote:

> Dear Sir,

> May I add?.

> The lagnadhipathi, Sun is in the 9th.The

> ashtamadhipathi Jupiter is in the 11th and the

> dasamadhipathi, Venus is also in the 9th.Lagna lord

> is

> exalted.These are good indications.Suns situation in

> a

> chara rasi is not conducive.The sign dispositor of

> Sun

> and Vebus is debilitated.Venus and Sun seem to be

> weak.

> Mercury and Ketu are in the 8th house.Mercury is

> debilitated.He is in exchange of signs with

> Jupiter.This is not good.Saturn is posited in

> Lagnam.He is a papi.Lagna has papakartari.There is

> kalasarpam in addition.

> These, also, are important considerations to asses

> longevity.Am I right?.

> With regards,

> jagannathan.

> jagannathankr

>

> --- Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel

> wrote:

> > Dear Neeraj,

> > It is said that when different life spans are

> > indicated by diferent methods,

> > death occurs in the period that is the longest

> > period and other shorter

> > periods represent problems to health.I doubt if

> Mars

> > is marakesh for Karka

> > lagna . It is yogakaraka. Marekesh ownership is

> not

> > aquired by

> > aspects.Primary Marakesh are Lords of 2nd and

> > 7th.Lords of 3rd 8th and 11th

> > can act as marakesh 11th lord being stronger of

> the

> > three in ascending order

> > of malefeacance.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Neeraj Gupta

> > [gupta_neeraj_2000]

> > Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:16 PM

> > GJ

> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Longevity

> Analysis

> >

> > Longevity Analysis

> >

> > I am writing this only for the sake of learning.

> > It is not written for

> > fun, neither to do some prediction. As it is

> > analysis for longevity, so I

> > had used my own chart, as predictions of longevity

> > are not done in general.

> > Kindly note that I am just a student of vedic

> > astrology, and the below is

> > ONLY a sample analysis from my side (with whatever

> > little knowledge I

> > possess). Kindly do not take it in a negative way.

> > This analysis might be of

> > help to you, as I have used different concepts

> that

> > I studied and applied

> > them. You may require my birth data.

> >

> > D.o.B – 14 April, 1978

> >

> > Time: 15:33 PM

> >

> > Place of Birth – New Delhi, India

> >

> > Part – I – Marakas

> >

> > Marakas:

> >

> > 1.. Mercury (second Lord) and Saturn (seventh

> > Lord)

> > 2.. Rahu (Placement of Malefic planet in

> second

> > house)

> > 3.. Mars may be considered maraka, as it

> aspects

> > 7th House with 8th

> > Aspect, though it is Yog Karaka for lagna

> >

> > For good longevity, 2nd and 7th lord and houses

> > should be weak and 3rd and

> > 8th Lord and houses should be strong.

> >

> > In this chart, 3 of the marakas are weak

> >

> > 1.. Mercury is weak (as it is debilitated),

> but

> > learnt that Deb+retro

> > gives some effect of exaltation, so will be

> > considering it strong

> > 2.. Saturn is weak (in first house,

> 00:12:22.09)

> > 3.. Mars (as it is debilitated)

> >

> > Strong Maraka

> >

> > 1.. Rahu (in second house at 11:31:27.44) – It

> > is in old age, and

> > results will be some (if it would have been at

> more

> > than 12:00:00, the stage

> > will be yuva and results would be full).

> > 2.. Mercury will be considered strong, as it

> is

> > both debilitated + retro

> > and also placed with malefic Ketu. Mercury is at

> > 25:50:11.62

> >

> > Part – II – Calculation of Rudra, Trishoola and

> > Maheshwara

> >

> > Rudra – Consider the Lord of 8th house from

> lagna

> > or 7th house. (Note that

> > 8th house is not considered in normal way here, it

> > is on the basis of

> > Brahama, Vishnu and shiva motion). The stronger

> lord

> > becomes Rudra. As

> > Saturn is in leo, so this is exception, so we will

> > be taking 8th house in

> > normal way.

> >

> > Here Lagna is Leo – 8th house from Leo is

> Pisces.

> > Lord of Pisces is

> > Jupiter.

> >

> > Here 7th House is Aquarius – 8th house from

> > Aquarius is Virgo. Lord of

> > Virgo is Mercury.

> >

> > Here mercury qualifies for Rudra (as it is

> > debilitated and placed with

> > ketu), if considered other way round retro+deb =

> > exaltation result, then

> > also mercury will qualify, I suppose, not sure.

> >

> > Trishoola – It is seen by trines from rashi

> > occupied by Rudra. Rudra (Mer)

> > is in Pisces. So Trishoola Rashis becomes trines

> > from Pisces i.e. Pi, Cn and

> > Sc (1st, 5th and 9th from Pi respectively).

> >

> > Maheshwara – It is lord of 8th from AK though 3

> > exceptions are there.

> > Since none of exceptions are coming in this case,

> so

> > they are not discussed

> > here. In this case Mercury is AK placed in Pisces.

> > Now 8th house from Pisces

> > is Libra. So Lord of Libra, Venus becomes

> > Maheshwara.

> >

>

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September 23, 2003

~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

Respected Chandrashekhar Ji,

Thanks for your detailed mail and explanation about

the subject. I was just trying to get the calculations

right and understanding the concept as a part of

learning exercise. As Shri PVR ji mentioned, that one

should not scare anybody by doing his longevity

prediction, so I choosed my chart. I never meant to

scare or trouble anybody.

Thanks for your help for explaining concepts.

warm regards,

Neeraj Gupta

--- Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel wrote:

> Dear Neeraj,

> One has to understand that merely being marakesh

> does not necessarily mean

> that one dies in their Dashas /antars.There are

> primary Marakesh like 2nd

> and 7th lord with 7th lord being the stronger of the

> two. Simalar is the

> case with lords of 3,8 and 11.Death will come when

> Dasha matching the Aayu

> period operates and antar of another Marakesh also

> operates together with

> appropriate transit of planets wrt the ascendant.

> Whether a marakesh will in

> fact give rise to death would depend on

> conjunctions, aspects etc that the

> marakesh receives and his house position.So in short

> any of the 5 can act as

> marakesh wrt actual death of the jataka.Lord of the

> 22nd dreshkana/64th

> navamsha,also,can act as Marakesh. This is why, you

> will observe,I am

> reluctant to comment on longevity unless some real

> health related problem

> arises. This would necessiate one to assess the

> planetary position as at

> that point of time some help or concrete information

> can be given to the

> jataka, which will be of help to him. My personal

> opinion is that

> astrologers should concentrate on providing relief

> to Jataka and not

> everybody is mentally strong to accept death as a

> perfectly normal

> phenomenon.More so as there is always an element of

> possible error in any

> predictive science.

> For example, I know when I am going to die, but if I

> tell this to my family

> they would be devastated.Certainly not a good thing

> to do. The right thing

> for me would be to prepare my will so that those

> left behind are not put to

> trouble after my death;which incidentally what I

> have done, though death is

> not imminent.

> Hope this helps,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Neeraj Gupta

> [gupta_neeraj_2000]

> Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:19 AM

>

> RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Longevity

> Analysis

>

> ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

>

> Respected Chandrashekhar Ji,

> Pranaam

>

> I couldn't understand the following clearly.

>

> >Lords of 3rd 8th and 11th

> > can act as marakesh 11th lord being stronger of

> the

> > three in ascending order

> > of malefeacance.

>

> If possible for you, kindly explain it with help of

> some example. Do we consider all the above three as

> marakas and the strongest one becomes markesh?

>

> Please clarify my doubt

>

> Kind regards,

>

> Neeraj Gupta

>

> --- kapisthalam jagannathan

> <jagannathankr wrote:

> > Dear Sir,

> > May I add?.

> > The lagnadhipathi, Sun is in the 9th.The

> > ashtamadhipathi Jupiter is in the 11th and the

> > dasamadhipathi, Venus is also in the 9th.Lagna

> lord

> > is

> > exalted.These are good indications.Suns situation

> in

> > a

> > chara rasi is not conducive.The sign dispositor of

> > Sun

> > and Vebus is debilitated.Venus and Sun seem to be

> > weak.

> > Mercury and Ketu are in the 8th house.Mercury is

> > debilitated.He is in exchange of signs with

> > Jupiter.This is not good.Saturn is posited in

> > Lagnam.He is a papi.Lagna has papakartari.There is

> > kalasarpam in addition.

> > These, also, are important considerations to asses

> > longevity.Am I right?.

> > With regards,

> > jagannathan.

> > jagannathankr

> >

> > --- Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Neeraj,

> > > It is said that when different life spans are

> > > indicated by diferent methods,

> > > death occurs in the period that is the longest

> > > period and other shorter

> > > periods represent problems to health.I doubt if

> > Mars

> > > is marakesh for Karka

> > > lagna . It is yogakaraka. Marekesh ownership is

> > not

> > > aquired by

> > > aspects.Primary Marakesh are Lords of 2nd and

> > > 7th.Lords of 3rd 8th and 11th

> > > can act as marakesh 11th lord being stronger of

> > the

> > > three in ascending order

> > > of malefeacance.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Neeraj Gupta

> > > [gupta_neeraj_2000]

> > > Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:16 PM

> > > GJ

> > > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Longevity

> > Analysis

> > >

> > > Longevity Analysis

> > >

> > > I am writing this only for the sake of

> learning.

> > > It is not written for

> > > fun, neither to do some prediction. As it is

> > > analysis for longevity, so I

> > > had used my own chart, as predictions of

> longevity

> > > are not done in general.

> > > Kindly note that I am just a student of vedic

> > > astrology, and the below is

> > > ONLY a sample analysis from my side (with

> whatever

> > > little knowledge I

> > > possess). Kindly do not take it in a negative

> way.

> > > This analysis might be of

> > > help to you, as I have used different concepts

> > that

> > > I studied and applied

> > > them. You may require my birth data.

> > >

> > > D.o.B – 14 April, 1978

> > >

> > > Time: 15:33 PM

> > >

> > > Place of Birth – New Delhi, India

> > >

> > > Part – I – Marakas

> > >

> > > Marakas:

> > >

> > > 1.. Mercury (second Lord) and Saturn

> (seventh

> > > Lord)

> > > 2.. Rahu (Placement of Malefic planet in

> > second

> > > house)

> > > 3.. Mars may be considered maraka, as it

> > aspects

> > > 7th House with 8th

> > > Aspect, though it is Yog Karaka for lagna

> > >

> > > For good longevity, 2nd and 7th lord and

> houses

> > > should be weak and 3rd and

> > > 8th Lord and houses should be strong.

> > >

>

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