[SJC: Achyuta Gurukul/On Jyotish Art, and Faith

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Dear Jay and Ron, Sureshbaby, Ramesh, Phyl, Roik/Das, and all,

 

I enjoyed Jay's and Ron's posts- so important issues, indeed- I perceive that

most important of all is 'worshiping issue', and I am glad that you Ron quoted

Sanjay's piece of advice in this matter- be honest in your prayers and worship,

you can worship in accordance with your belief system, each and every belief,

faith, religion, is valuable, no need to get converted to Hinduism if you love

Jyotish. /my 'rumination' on Sanjay's words quoted/

 

That is what I believe in. Nobody is meant to be insulted, for I may be what I

believe in and you what you believe in, I may be wrong, you may be right. What

I will say bellow, please accept as my belief only, which crystallized for me

by exposure to millions of experiences I've accumulated in this short existence

of mine. Also, please forgive me that I am identified with my beliefs, you don't

need to be angry at me for being what I am.

 

So, IMO, Jyotish is above petty fighting whose religion is the 'right' one.

/What I like the most about Narasimha is his fervent faith that I can find in

my own heart, what I like the most about Sanjay is his stable introspective

faith undisturbed by his acceptance of any faith of others, for I feel it

should be that way, what I love the most about my mother is her genuine deep,

profound, faith that doesn't need to prove anything to anybody, for I've

struggled to reach that 'noble' level myself/. I believe, some automatic

acceptance of Beautiful Symbols of Hinduism as 'own faith' is such a laziness

/!/, since we are more than "temporary" 'creatures of faith'. I believe WE ARE

creatures of FAITH, whether we are practicing Hindu, Christian, Moslem, or

'agnostics', since we are gorgeous, UNIQUE 'compound' of our personal, family,

nation, race, karma- one can get rid of your personal faith either by

conversion to faith other than one we were born with, or by rejecting it

altogether- nobody can run away too far from herself/himself, collective Karma,

collective consciousness in one's deeper layers will always be there, thus

create ng mess in one's mind and

that of his progeny. /Brendan Feely can help me here 'prove' my point/.

G.Das/Roik 'syndrome' comes to my mind, I like both Das and Roik

honestly.

 

Hope I was able to get my point across.

(Or may that be just be my 'domesticated Jupiter in Pi.?)

 

Warmest wishes to all, since we have at least one big thing in common, our love

for amazing art of JYOTISH

 

Anna

 

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J. Weiss

 

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 8:38 AM

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] matching-an interesting case study

 

Dear Ron,

 

Can't say that I disagree with anything you wrote, on the contrary.

 

Loved your "curses = UNFULFILLED DESIRES" - makes it more "realistic" and

suitable for our times.

Sanjay provided us with many wise "pearls" in the past which we all could learn

from including the one you mentioned.

 

The "% amount" of free will can be extracted from the chart based on the planets

position and strength (old Jyotish stuff). I will try to get in touch with the

author to have his permission to publish the article on the list for the

benefit of all.

 

Your contact offer is accepted.

 

Kind regards

Jay Weiss

 

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Ron Bach

 

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 12:50 PM

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] matching-an interesting case study

Aum Namo Bhagvate HrishikeshayaaPranaams Dear Jay: Agreed with your points about

"belief systems" and "easy way out". I even tried to compose several replies.

However, finally I decided that this is a Jyotish list and we could well end up

offending a lot of different groups based JUST on what you or I think is

representative of factors in distant past [i think you get the hint]. What I

could say here in response to your post is something I remember Gurudeva Sanjay

Rath Ji once saying.... and it is a wise piece of advice: "If one starts

worshipping a rock or just about any object, then Bhagwan will manifest for the

one from that rock or object". Well, good enough for me. And as per your

observation that curses should not be taken lightly... Well, I agree with that

as well and the way I see curses are like UNFULFILLED DESIRES. So if we were to

go back to the theory of Karma and somehow blend the curses into the Karmic

cycle [Rahu/Ketu as the keys], then somehow rebirth would be signified there

and give added weighing factor to the rules that are included in our syllabus.

As per the article you are mentioning, well, I have not had the chance of

reading it. But yes, I do agree that we all have 33% free will. These are the

upachaya sthanas [3rd, 6th, and 11th] and that is what we have free will upon.

Unfortunately two of these are dusthanas and in any case, neither of these

represent the important pivots in a chart or the skies above [as above so

below]. I consider the quadrants and trines to be pivots.There are unseen

forces not understood well enough [at lest by me]; which the sages and saints

understood very well and we are but on the journey in their footsteps. I am

sure both you and I will have much to explore and share and in that aspect, I

look forward to discussing these issues with you.... perhaps via private

email [as we both have each other's] or by Conference. Alongside that,

Jay, I wish you all the best and I have always read all your posts and comments

and have tremendous respect for your views and opinions. I must check my chart

today for why I am posting so much and why or what is the Nimmitta that has

reconnected you and me in this wonderful discussion :-) With that... please

convey my best regards to all your loved ones ever and you and everyone else

take care too. Aum Namo NarayanaKind regards and best wishes from Ron

Bachjayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com wrote:

 

Nicely answered Ron.

Indeed some of the points you mention here may be valid within a specific belief

system but on the other hand wouldn't it also be "the easy way out" - blaming

all/most of our misfortunes on curses ?

One may arrive at the "conclusion" that the souls of the past did nothing else

but curse each other for every little thing (I can already HEAR you

laughing...).

 

Jokes aside, I think that the issue of curses is a very serious one, and has to

be taken with reservation whenever there is the slightest doubt.

Each and everyone of us still have a portion of free will ... (see the book

"Imperial Insights in Vedic Astrology" by R.K. Wishwakarma, #2 "Law of karma,

fate and free will" --- I wish I could mail this article to the list, but than

I'll be breaking the copywrite ...not fair...)

 

Kind regardsJay Weiss

 

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Ron Bach

 

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:18 AM

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] matching-an interesting case study

Aum Namo Bhagvate HrishikeshayaaPranaams Dear Jay: You make me laugh [and infact

still laughing] :-D You are quite knowledgeable compared to me and who am I to

argue? But yes, not just the "AS IS"; the rules of Vedanga Jyotisha [as Jyotish

is a limb of Vedas] do state so. It makes sense in many ways too. We are in Kali

Yuga and therefore all the sorrows and sadness that boomerang around are really

going to make Brahma a lot busier than he already is!It would be ideal for

everyone to be sattwic and that is what Sata Yuga stands for. And I have long

pondered just why it is that our planet's equator that revolves ALSO on its

own axis [Equinoxal Precission that takes roughly 24,000 years] creates so

much drama?To avoid confusion, I mean that even the *axis* of our planet

revolves in a circle that takes 24,000 years [roughly] and this is what

makes the stars and nakshatras look different [in their positions] as ages and

yugas go by. But OK, I will settle with Krittika being the main reference in

our ...er... this period. This is ALSO the reason that we are still hunting for

a CORRECT and PERFECT ayanamsa and also the reason why we cannot just simply say

that Bhagwan Sri Rama was born at a particular time. We have Bhagwan's kundali

based solely on events of life [or I have really been asleep and missed a lot

of messages]. Instead of diverting too much, in short....The problem of curses

seems to stay [for a long time. LOL] And the other unpleasant thing about

sorrows, sadness, shrappa, curses, etc. is that....If you have pissed off

[sorry for the language as no other appropriate word describes this best]

multiple people and made them sorry, then you need forgiveness from ALL of

them. Just a single atma forgiving you is NOT enough!So your assessment is

right about "the majority of the worlds population in the "affected by curses"

group", and while I hope Brahma takes a vacation on Bhu Loka, I think we must

wait for another Sata Yuga? Hey Jay, just what can I say? :-) With that, please

convey my best regards to all your loved ones ever and you take care too. Aum

Namo NarayanaKind regards and best wishes fromRon Bachjayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com wrote:

 

Dear Ron,

Thanks for your interesting mail regarding curses.

Taking your points "AS IS" will theoretically place the majority of the worlds

population in the "affected by curses" group, or shall we say that the "none

affected" group is a fraction of the total worls population.

I like to read your comment.

 

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