[SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Shani Beeja Mantra - VRA Doubt

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Aum Namo Bhagvate Hrishikeshayaa

Pranaams Neeraj:

Nobody has taken up this thread [to the best of my knowledge],

therefore I will give it a *try*...

See my comments in blue below:

gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote:

~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

Respected Gurus and Senior Members,

I have a doubt regarding the reciting of Beeja Mantra

of Saturn in Vedic Remedies in Astrology (Page no

170).

I am having Leo-Lagna, and Saturn is weak (00:12)

placed in first house. Also it is lord of sixth and

seventh house.

Unfortunately, you have not attached your chart

or given birth details, therefore it will be difficult to give precise

comments.

At

present I am in the second phase of sadhe-sati.

Should I continue reciting beeja mantra of saturn.

Will it strenghten it or propitiate it.

Everyone suffers in Sade-Sati. However, these

difficulties or auspiciousness/inauspiciousness of Sade Sati are judged

based on the *dhatu* at the beginning of a particular Sade Sati [e.g.

Sona, Chandi, Roopa, etc. ]. Check yours based on any reliable panchang

that you can buy in India [for the year and date when your Sade Sati

started]. Usually, the panchanga will give you description based on

your chandra kundali [as Sade Sati is related to Saturn/Shani's

position from Natal Moon.

Also

in general, can we recite mantras of lords of

dustahnas.

Generally speaking, the mantras of dusthanas,

should be BEEJA mantras that *control* the dusthana

lords/planets rather than strengthening them. Therefore the selection

of mantra should be reconfirmed from one's Guruji or reputed

professionals [i am just a humble shishya, so I will refrain from going

deep in that topic].

However, one should NEVER try to strengthen one's dusthana as obviously

this will be unfavorable for any Jataka.

On the topic of Beeja mantras, it should be noted that each beeja

akshara stands for a particular element [air, water, fire etc.] and a

lot of associated things like the sign/rasi it refers to [in your

chart], the nakshatra, and several additional parameters, etc.

Since no chart is attached by you, such judgments cannot be made in

your query

I request gurus and senior members to Kindly clarify

my doubt.

Please note that I am neither a Guru nor a senior

member. I am just answering as much as I can because almost everyone in

our parampara is currently very busy and tied up with conferences, etc.

including Guruji(s) and Gurudeva.

If I have made any errors or misjudgment, I am sure that either

Gurudeva or Guruji(s) and experts at this list will kindly correct me.

regards,

Neeraj Gupta

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Aum Namo Narayana

With that, please convey my best regards to all your loved ones ever

and all of you take care too.

Kind regards and best wishes from

Ron Bach

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~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

 

Dear Ron,

 

I had attached my chart. Kindly check attachments. I

am confused by what you meant *control* the lords of

dusthanas.

 

Could you please kindly explain. I understand that

one should not strengthen planets of dusthanas.

 

Kind regards,

 

Neeraj Gupta

 

--- Ron Bach <humbleshishya wrote:

> Aum Namo Bhagvate Hrishikeshayaa

>

> Pranaams Neeraj:

>

> Nobody has taken up this thread [to the best of my

> knowledge], therefore

> I will give it a *try*...

>

> See my comments in blue below:

>

> gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote:

>

> > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

> >

> > Respected Gurus and Senior Members,

> >

> > I have a doubt regarding the reciting of Beeja

> Mantra

> > of Saturn in Vedic Remedies in Astrology (Page no

> > 170).

> >

> > I am having Leo-Lagna, and Saturn is weak (00:12)

> > placed in first house. Also it is lord of sixth

> and

> > seventh house.

>

> Unfortunately, you have not attached your chart or

> given birth details,

> therefore it will be difficult to give precise

> comments.

>

> > At present I am in the second phase of sadhe-sati.

> > Should I continue reciting beeja mantra of saturn.

> > Will it strenghten it or propitiate it.

>

> Everyone suffers in Sade-Sati. However, these

> difficulties or

> auspiciousness/inauspiciousness of Sade Sati are

> judged based on the

> *dhatu* at the beginning of a particular Sade Sati

> [e.g. Sona, Chandi,

> Roopa, etc. ]. Check yours based on any reliable

> panchang that you can

> buy in India [for the year and date when your Sade

> Sati started].

> Usually, the panchanga will give you description

> based on your chandra

> kundali [as Sade Sati is related to Saturn/Shani's

> position from Natal

> Moon.

>

> > Also in general, can we recite mantras of lords of

> > dustahnas.

>

> Generally speaking, the mantras of dusthanas, should

> be BEEJA mantras

> that *control* the dusthana lords/planets rather

> than strengthening

> them. Therefore the selection of mantra should be

> reconfirmed from

> one's Guruji or reputed professionals [i am just a

> humble shishya, so I

> will refrain from going deep in that topic].

>

> However, one should NEVER try to strengthen one's

> dusthana as obviously

> this will be unfavorable for any Jataka.

>

> On the topic of Beeja mantras, it should be noted

> that each beeja

> akshara stands for a particular element [air, water,

> fire etc.] and a

> lot of associated things like the sign/rasi it

> refers to [in your

> chart], the nakshatra, and several additional

> parameters, etc.

>

> Since no chart is attached by you, such judgments

> cannot be made in your

> query

>

> >

> > I request gurus and senior members to Kindly

> clarify

> > my doubt.

>

> Please note that I am neither a Guru nor a senior

> member. I am just

> answering as much as I can because almost everyone

> in our parampara is

> currently very busy and tied up with conferences,

> etc. including

> Guruji(s) and Gurudeva.

>

> If I have made any errors or misjudgment, I am sure

> that either Gurudeva

> or Guruji(s) and experts at this list will kindly

> correct me.

>

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Neeraj Gupta

> >

> > =====

> > http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/

>

> Aum Namo Narayana

>

> With that, please convey my best regards to all

> your loved ones ever

> and all of you take care too.

>

> Kind regards and best wishes from

>

> Ron Bach

>

 

 

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Aum Namo Bhagvate Hrishikeshayaa

Pranaams Neeraj:

Now I got your chart from attachments [Please note that now

groups like this one does NOT keep attachments beyond a certain period

at lists such as this. Which is why the attachment is now gone from

your original post. This attachment will disappear as well in one week

or 10 days - I dont remember exactly how many days].

Here are my brief replies:

1) Controling the lords of dusthanas means to be aware of any negative

harm done by them to us. Also, like I said not strengthening them in

itself means controling them. Appropriate mantras or remedies should be

done.

Beyond that, for more professional advice, please consult your Guruji

or a professional. The reason I dont want to go deeper is that... I

once screwed up with a remedy to someone. While the remedy was correct,

my Gurudeva was very disappointed with me as I could have used a better

alternative. And somehow I made a poor judgement.

Therefore Neeraj, I will simply refrain from going deeper in Beeja

mantras and remedies of that nature. I hope you will understand.

2) While you have not asked any specific personal questions regarding

your chart, I observe that your Atma Karaka Mercury is Retrograde and

is in Shasta-Ashtaka Sthana [both dusthanas] in Rasi and Navamsa

respectively. At this stage I presume that your chart has been

rectified and/or is near enough correct.

In any case, since we are not touching higher vargaas and since the

window narrows down to approx. 15 minutes [Navamsa], the above still

remains valid.

You are running Saturn/Ketu Vimsottari, and Ketu is also placed in the

8th house of your Rasi [alongside Atma Karaka Mercury]. This period

could be difficult.

As per your prayers and remedies regarding Saturn, you should continue

BUT please do consult your Guruji or someone professional enough to

give you detailed guidance.

Fasting on days of Upa Pada [Friday] should work wonders for you. As

your Upa Pada falls in 10th house and A10 is in 8th house. Difficulties

should lessen and/or end after that.

Finally, while on topic of remedies, I would also pay attention to

the Sarpa Yoga [almost KSY; that is if you ignore the difference of

degrees of Retro Mercury AK and Ketu] in your chart.

With that... Hope I was able to help you and once again... please

consult your Guruji or someone who is qualified enough to go deeper

than I did.

In the meantime... please convey my best regards to all your loved ones

ever and you and everyone take care too.

Aum Namo Narayana

Kind regards and best wishes from

Ron Bach

gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote:

~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

Dear Ron,

I had attached my chart. Kindly check attachments. I

am confused by what you meant *control* the lords of

dusthanas.

Could you please kindly explain. I understand that

one should not strengthen planets of dusthanas.

Kind regards,

Neeraj Gupta

--- Ron Bach <humbleshishya (AT) netscape (DOT) net> wrote:

> Aum Namo Bhagvate Hrishikeshayaa

>

> Pranaams Neeraj:

>

> Nobody has taken up this thread [to the best of my

> knowledge], therefore

> I will give it a *try*...

>

> See my comments in blue below:

>

> gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote:

>

> > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

> >

> > Respected Gurus and Senior Members,

> >

> > I have a doubt regarding the reciting of Beeja

> Mantra

> > of Saturn in Vedic Remedies in Astrology (Page no

> > 170).

> >

> > I am having Leo-Lagna, and Saturn is weak (00:12)

> > placed in first house. Also it is lord of sixth

> and

> > seventh house.

>

> Unfortunately, you have not attached your chart or

> given birth details,

> therefore it will be difficult to give precise

> comments.

>

> > At present I am in the second phase of sadhe-sati.

> > Should I continue reciting beeja mantra of saturn.

> > Will it strenghten it or propitiate it.

>

> Everyone suffers in Sade-Sati. However, these

> difficulties or

> auspiciousness/inauspiciousness of Sade Sati are

> judged based on the

> *dhatu* at the beginning of a particular Sade Sati

> [e.g. Sona, Chandi,

> Roopa, etc. ]. Check yours based on any reliable

> panchang that you can

> buy in India [for the year and date when your Sade

> Sati started].

> Usually, the panchanga will give you description

> based on your chandra

> kundali [as Sade Sati is related to Saturn/Shani's

> position from Natal

> Moon.

>

> > Also in general, can we recite mantras of lords of

> > dustahnas.

>

> Generally speaking, the mantras of dusthanas, should

> be BEEJA mantras

> that *control* the dusthana lords/planets rather

> than strengthening

> them. Therefore the selection of mantra should be

> reconfirmed from

> one's Guruji or reputed professionals [i am just a

> humble shishya, so I

> will refrain from going deep in that topic].

>

> However, one should NEVER try to strengthen one's

> dusthana as obviously

> this will be unfavorable for any Jataka.

>

> On the topic of Beeja mantras, it should be noted

> that each beeja

> akshara stands for a particular element [air, water,

> fire etc.] and a

> lot of associated things like the sign/rasi it

> refers to [in your

> chart], the nakshatra, and several additional

> parameters, etc.

>

> Since no chart is attached by you, such judgments

> cannot be made in your

> query

>

> >

> > I request gurus and senior members to Kindly

> clarify

> > my doubt.

>

> Please note that I am neither a Guru nor a senior

> member. I am just

> answering as much as I can because almost everyone

> in our parampara is

> currently very busy and tied up with conferences,

> etc. including

> Guruji(s) and Gurudeva.

>

> If I have made any errors or misjudgment, I am sure

> that either Gurudeva

> or Guruji(s) and experts at this list will kindly

> correct me.

>

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Neeraj Gupta

> >

> > =====

> > http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/

>

> Aum Namo Narayana

>

> With that, please convey my best regards to all

> your loved ones ever

> and all of you take care too.

>

> Kind regards and best wishes from

>

> Ron Bach

>

[Guest guest]

~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

Pranaams Ron,

 

I am already doing UL fast for last 2 months or so,

performed one pooja also last year for KSY, although I

think KSY is broken by AK (mercury).

 

 

For Debiliated Mercury, I am reciting Vishnu

Shasranama. Yes my chart is almost correct, like time

is 15:33, but I don't know the exact seconds, but

anyways, rashi chart and Navamasa wont' change.

 

I was having doubt for VRA. Thanks for clearing that

and explaining about controlling the planet. I guess

when guru ji's will be free, they might spare some

time and explain me more about Saturn beeja mantra.

 

I hope Sa-Ve may bring some relief.

 

Thanks for wishes and take care.

 

warm regards,

 

Neeraj Gupta

 

--- Ron Bach <humbleshishya wrote:

> Aum Namo Bhagvate Hrishikeshayaa

>

> Pranaams Neeraj:

>

> Now I got your chart from attachments [Please note

> that now

> groups like this one does NOT keep attachments

> beyond a certain period

> at lists such as this. Which is why the attachment

> is now gone from your

> original post. This attachment will disappear as

> well in one week or 10

> days - I dont remember exactly how many days].

>

> Here are my brief replies:

>

> 1) Controling the lords of dusthanas means to be

> aware of any negative

> harm done by them to us. Also, like I said not

> strengthening them in

> itself means controling them. Appropriate mantras or

> remedies should be

> done.

>

> Beyond that, for more professional advice, please

> consult your Guruji or

> a professional. The reason I dont want to go deeper

> is that... I once

> screwed up with a remedy to someone. While the

> remedy was correct, my

> Gurudeva was very disappointed with me as I could

> have used a better

> alternative. And somehow I made a poor judgement.

>

> Therefore Neeraj, I will simply refrain from going

> deeper in Beeja

> mantras and remedies of that nature. I hope you will

> understand.

>

> 2) While you have not asked any specific personal

> questions regarding

> your chart, I observe that your Atma Karaka Mercury

> is Retrograde and is

> in Shasta-Ashtaka Sthana [both dusthanas] in Rasi

> and Navamsa

> respectively. At this stage I presume that your

> chart has been rectified

> and/or is near enough correct.

>

> In any case, since we are not touching higher

> vargaas and since the

> window narrows down to approx. 15 minutes [Navamsa],

> the above still

> remains valid.

>

> You are running Saturn/Ketu Vimsottari, and Ketu is

> also placed in the

> 8th house of your Rasi [alongside Atma Karaka

> Mercury]. This period

> could be difficult.

>

> As per your prayers and remedies regarding Saturn,

> you should continue

> BUT please do consult your Guruji or someone

> professional enough to give

> you detailed guidance.

>

> Fasting on days of Upa Pada [Friday] should work

> wonders for you. As

> your Upa Pada falls in 10th house and A10 is in 8th

> house. Difficulties

> should lessen and/or end after that.

>

> Finally, while on topic of remedies, I would also

> pay attention to the

> Sarpa Yoga [almost KSY; that is if you ignore the

> difference of degrees

> of Retro Mercury AK and Ketu] in your chart.

>

> With that... Hope I was able to help you and once

> again... please

> consult your Guruji or someone who is qualified

> enough to go deeper than

> I did.

>

> In the meantime... please convey my best regards to

> all your loved ones

> ever and you and everyone take care too.

>

> Aum Namo Narayana

>

> Kind regards and best wishes from

>

> Ron Bach

>

> gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote:

>

> > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

> >

> > Dear Ron,

> >

> > I had attached my chart. Kindly check attachments.

> I

> > am confused by what you meant *control* the lords

> of

> > dusthanas.

> >

> > Could you please kindly explain. I understand

> that

> > one should not strengthen planets of dusthanas.

> >

> > Kind regards,

> >

> > Neeraj Gupta

> >

> > --- Ron Bach <humbleshishya wrote:

> > > Aum Namo Bhagvate Hrishikeshayaa

> > >

> > > Pranaams Neeraj:

> > >

> > > Nobody has taken up this thread [to the best of

> my

> > > knowledge], therefore

> > > I will give it a *try*...

> > >

> > > See my comments in blue below:

> > >

> > > gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote:

> > >

> > > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

> > > >

> > > > Respected Gurus and Senior Members,

> > > >

> > > > I have a doubt regarding the reciting of Beeja

> > > Mantra

> > > > of Saturn in Vedic Remedies in Astrology (Page

> no

> > > > 170).

> > > >

> > > > I am having Leo-Lagna, and Saturn is weak

> (00:12)

> > > > placed in first house. Also it is lord of

> sixth

> > > and

> > > > seventh house.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately, you have not attached your chart

> or

> > > given birth details,

> > > therefore it will be difficult to give precise

> > > comments.

> > >

> > > > At present I am in the second phase of

> sadhe-sati.

> > > > Should I continue reciting beeja mantra of

> saturn.

> > > > Will it strenghten it or propitiate it.

> > >

> > > Everyone suffers in Sade-Sati. However, these

> > > difficulties or

> > > auspiciousness/inauspiciousness of Sade Sati are

> > > judged based on the

> > > *dhatu* at the beginning of a particular Sade

> Sati

> > > [e.g. Sona, Chandi,

> > > Roopa, etc. ]. Check yours based on any reliable

> > > panchang that you can

> > > buy in India [for the year and date when your

> Sade

> > > Sati started].

> > > Usually, the panchanga will give you description

> > > based on your chandra

> > > kundali [as Sade Sati is related to

> Saturn/Shani's

> > > position from Natal

> > > Moon.

> > >

> > > > Also in general, can we recite mantras of

> lords of

> > > > dustahnas.

> > >

> > > Generally speaking, the mantras of dusthanas,

> should

> > > be BEEJA mantras

> > > that *control* the dusthana lords/planets rather

> > > than strengthening

> > > them. Therefore the selection of mantra should

> be

> > > reconfirmed from

> > > one's Guruji or reputed professionals [i am just

> a

> > > humble shishya, so I

> > > will refrain from going deep in that topic].

> > >

> > > However, one should NEVER try to strengthen

> one's

> > > dusthana as obviously

> > > this will be unfavorable for any Jataka.

> > >

> > > On the topic of Beeja mantras, it should be

> noted

>

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