[SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] matching-an interesting case study

September 16, 2003

Aum Namo Bhagvate Hrishikeshayaa

Respected Gurudeva, Guruji(s), Dear Prashant and friends,

I just took a quick glance at the charts provided in attachment by you

and yes, even I mainly focused on the guy's chart [the poet].

Even I refrained from counting Upa Padas as we don't know which count

shows Annette over here. However, it is obvious that the guy was burnt

badly by his former relationships.

You are right about the curses, however, he has a serious curse from

this life as well [probably one of his former spouse, I would guess].

As you are aware, graha dristi from Saturn, Mars, and also Rahu

generate the curse. While the dristi on Lagna shows curse from past

life [in his case Mars], the dristi on Arudha Lagna [AL] shows curse

from this life. Saturn over there, therefore leads me to believe that

the present life curse is from one of his former relationships as it

lords the 7th house as well.

As always, Saturn + Moon immediately triggers Kali [in my mind] and I

believe that remedies related to Kali will help. However, I will

refrain from giving any mantras and I am sure you are more knowledgable

than me to give him the right ones.

Fasting on Friday would be a must for this person, especially

considering that the lord of his Upa Pada is in shasta-ashtaka sthana

in a parivartan.

Rahu is debilitated and vargottama [in Sagittarius/Dhanu in both Rasi

and Navamsa]. No wonder this person is secretive about his private

life.

A quick look at his Saptamsa confirms that he should have at least one

child [daughter] with whom he should feel very close and attached.

Anyways, I did this reading in quite a hurry, so there is a possibility

that I missed a lot or may even be wrong about Saptamsa [will look in

details when time permits].

In the meantime....

Please convey my best regards to all your loved ones ever and you all

take care too.

P.s.: Have hardly glanced at Annette's chart [girl's chart]. Will do so

at a later stage. Perhaps someone else could pick up this thread? Many

thanks in advance.

Aum Namo Narayana

Kind regards and best wishes from,

Ron Bach

prashantnarang wrote:

respected gurus,

here is a very interesting case study for matching. annette is

the girl, poet is the male.

they both want to marry, but are scared as both had failures in

their love & marriage lives earlier. (i haven't counted no of

upapadas they had; i don't know))

my emphasis was on guy's horoscope, since the girl approached me

to see the guy's chart first.

4th(al +ul), 7th houses were badly afflicted, 4th

& 8th exchange, that too badhaka involved, ju in bdhak sign; all

these factors indicate lot of problems. there is madan yoga too with

retro 7th lord, which is also 8th lord. a7, al & ul r compatible ,

but 8th lord in ul creates problems.

if we see transits too, ke transits over natal sat in ul, sat

transits over natal ke in 12th, both trines to 8th -ve the badhakesh.

now the interesting nimitta happened, when we were

discussing the male's chart , we got distracted by a cat & a crow

simulatneously. crow is saturn or departed soul, ketu for cat(?), both

r in trines to badhakesh venus & venus related matter -marriage

was under discussion.

though there seems to b a curse of a departed soul,

the man doesn't share much abt his life on the net.

the girl wants to know the remedies, because she is going marry

him under any circumstances.

guna/koota milan , if someone can tell the no. of points, i've

nt checked that as of now.

any suggestions, remedies & feedback are most welcome. plz

correct if i was wrong anywhere in my analysis.

thanx

prashant narang

September 16, 2003

Aum Namo Bhagvate Hrishikeshayaa

Respected Gurudeva, Guruji(s), Dear Prashant and friends,

Sorry, I forgot to mention one very important thing about curses in my

previous reply to this thread.

Here it is:

1) There can ONLY be ONE major curse in any chart.

2) All other curses [generated by respective planets] are subsidiary or

secondary curses.

3) Curses are ALWAYS seen by Graha Dristi and NEVER by Rashi Dristi

[important, because I have had discussions with other shishyas who

started looking at curses from Rashi Dristi - which is not possible].

4) Curses are always from Graha Dristi because curses are DESIRES

[Graha = Desires, Rashi = Circumstance or Scenario].

5) A curse can also be generated if someone is put in a sorrowful

state [strong]. May not necessarily be shrappa.

Hopefully, with the above, "the poet's" chart may thus be analyzed for

curses therein.

With that...please convey my best regards to all your loved ones ever

and you all take care too.

Aum Namo Narayana

Kind regards and best wishes from

Ron Bach

humbleshishya (AT) netscape (DOT) net wrote:

Aum Namo Bhagvate Hrishikeshayaa

Respected Gurudeva, Guruji(s), Dear Prashant and friends,

I just took a quick glance at the charts provided in attachment by you

and yes, even I mainly focused on the guy's chart [the poet].

Even I refrained from counting Upa Padas as we don't know which count

shows Annette over here. However, it is obvious that the guy was burnt

badly by his former relationships.

You are right about the curses, however, he has a serious curse from

this life as well [probably one of his former spouse, I would guess].

As you are aware, graha dristi from Saturn, Mars, and also Rahu

generate the curse. While the dristi on Lagna shows curse from past

life [in his case Mars], the dristi on Arudha Lagna [AL] shows curse

from this life. Saturn over there, therefore leads me to believe that

the present life curse is from one of his former relationships as it

lords the 7th house as well.

As always, Saturn + Moon immediately triggers Kali [in my mind] and I

believe that remedies related to Kali will help. However, I will

refrain from giving any mantras and I am sure you are more knowledgable

than me to give him the right ones.

Fasting on Friday would be a must for this person, especially

considering that the lord of his Upa Pada is in shasta-ashtaka sthana

in a parivartan.

Rahu is debilitated and vargottama [in Sagittarius/Dhanu in both Rasi

and Navamsa]. No wonder this person is secretive about his private

life.

A quick look at his Saptamsa confirms that he should have at least one

child [daughter] with whom he should feel very close and attached.

Anyways, I did this reading in quite a hurry, so there is a possibility

that I missed a lot or may even be wrong about Saptamsa [will look in

details when time permits].

In the meantime....

Please convey my best regards to all your loved ones ever and you all

take care too.

P.s.: Have hardly glanced at Annette's chart [girl's chart]. Will do so

at a later stage. Perhaps someone else could pick up this thread? Many

thanks in advance.

Aum Namo Narayana

Kind regards and best wishes from,

Ron Bach

prashantnarang

wrote:

respected gurus,

here is a very interesting case study for matching. annette

is

the girl, poet is the male.

they both want to marry, but are scared as both had failures

in

their love & marriage lives earlier. (i haven't counted no of

upapadas they had; i don't know))

my emphasis was on guy's horoscope, since the girl approached

me

to see the guy's chart first.

4th(al +ul), 7th houses were badly afflicted, 4th

& 8th exchange, that too badhaka involved, ju in bdhak sign; all

these factors indicate lot of problems. there is madan yoga too with

retro 7th lord, which is also 8th lord. a7, al & ul r compatible ,

but 8th lord in ul creates problems.

if we see transits too, ke transits over natal sat in ul, sat

transits over natal ke in 12th, both trines to 8th -ve the badhakesh.

now the interesting nimitta happened, when we were

discussing the male's chart , we got distracted by a cat & a crow

simulatneously. crow is saturn or departed soul, ketu for cat(?), both

r in trines to badhakesh venus & venus related matter -marriage

was under discussion.

though there seems to b a curse of a departed soul,

the man doesn't share much abt his life on the net.

the girl wants to know the remedies, because she is going

marry

him under any circumstances.

guna/koota milan , if someone can tell the no. of points, i've

nt checked that as of now.

any suggestions, remedies & feedback are most

welcome. plz

correct if i was wrong anywhere in my analysis.

thanx

prashant narang

September 16, 2003

Dear Ron,

Thanks for your interesting mail regarding curses.

Taking your points "AS IS" will theoretically place the majority of the worlds

population in the "affected by curses" group, or shall we say that the "none

affected" group is a fraction of the total worls population.

I like to read your comment.

Kind regardsJay Weiss

-

Ron Bach

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 10:10 AM

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] matching-an interesting case study

Aum Namo Bhagvate HrishikeshayaaRespected Gurudeva, Guruji(s), Dear Prashant and

friends, Sorry, I forgot to mention one very important thing about curses in my

previous reply to this thread. Here it is: 1) There can ONLY be ONE major curse

in any chart. 2) All other curses [generated by respective planets] are

subsidiary or secondary curses. 3) Curses are ALWAYS seen by Graha Dristi and

NEVER by Rashi Dristi [important, because I have had discussions with other

shishyas who started looking at curses from Rashi Dristi - which is not

possible]. 4) Curses are always from Graha Dristi because curses are DESIRES

[Graha = Desires, Rashi = Circumstance or Scenario]. 5) A curse can also be

generated if someone is put in a sorrowful state [strong]. May not necessarily

be shrappa.Hopefully, with the above, "the poet's" chart may thus be analyzed

for curses therein. With that...please convey my best regards to all your

loved ones ever and you all take care too. Aum Namo NarayanaKind regards and

best wishes from Ron Bachhumbleshishya (AT) netscape (DOT) net wrote:

Aum Namo Bhagvate HrishikeshayaaRespected Gurudeva, Guruji(s), Dear Prashant and

friends, I just took a quick glance at the charts provided in attachment by you

and yes, even I mainly focused on the guy's chart [the poet]. Even I refrained

from counting Upa Padas as we don't know which count shows Annette over here.

However, it is obvious that the guy was burnt badly by his former

relationships. You are right about the curses, however, he has a serious curse

from this life as well [probably one of his former spouse, I would guess]. As

you are aware, graha dristi from Saturn, Mars, and also Rahu generate the

curse. While the dristi on Lagna shows curse from past life [in his case Mars],

the dristi on Arudha Lagna [AL] shows curse from this life. Saturn over there,

therefore leads me to believe that the present life curse is from one of his

former relationships as it lords the 7th house as well. As always, Saturn +

Moon immediately triggers Kali [in my mind] and I believe that remedies related

to Kali will help. However, I will refrain from giving any mantras and I am sure

you are more knowledgable than me to give him the right ones. Fasting on Friday

would be a must for this person, especially considering that the lord of his

Upa Pada is in shasta-ashtaka sthana in a parivartan. Rahu is debilitated and

vargottama [in Sagittarius/Dhanu in both Rasi and Navamsa]. No wonder this

person is secretive about his private life. A quick look at his Saptamsa

confirms that he should have at least one child [daughter] with whom he should

feel very close and attached. Anyways, I did this reading in quite a hurry, so

there is a possibility that I missed a lot or may even be wrong about Saptamsa

[will look in details when time permits]. In the meantime....Please convey my

best regards to all your loved ones ever and you all take care too. P.s.: Have

hardly glanced at Annette's chart [girl's chart]. Will do so at a later stage.

Perhaps someone else could pick up this thread? Many thanks in advance. Aum

Namo NarayanaKind regards and best wishes from, Ron

Bachprashantnarang wrote:

respected gurus,

here is a very interesting case study for matching. annette is the girl, poet is the male.

they both want to marry, but are scared as both had failures in their love &

marriage lives earlier. (i haven't counted no of upapadas they had; i don't

know))

my emphasis was on guy's horoscope, since the girl approached me to see the guy's chart first.

4th(al +ul), 7th houses were badly afflicted, 4th & 8th exchange, that too

badhaka involved, ju in bdhak sign; all these factors indicate lot of

problems. there is madan yoga too with retro 7th lord, which is also 8th lord.

a7, al & ul r compatible , but 8th lord in ul creates problems.

if we see transits too, ke transits over natal sat in ul, sat transits over

natal ke in 12th, both trines to 8th -ve the badhakesh.

now the interesting nimitta happened, when we were discussing the male's chart

, we got distracted by a cat & a crow simulatneously. crow is saturn or departed

soul, ketu for cat(?), both r in trines to badhakesh venus & venus related

matter -marriage was under discussion.

though there seems to b a curse of a departed soul, the man doesn't share much

abt his life on the net.

the girl wants to know the remedies, because she is going marry him under any circumstances.

guna/koota milan , if someone can tell the no. of points, i've nt checked that as of now.

any suggestions, remedies & feedback are most welcome. plz correct if i was

wrong anywhere in my analysis.

thanx

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September 16, 2003

Aum Namo Bhagvate Hrishikeshayaa

Pranaams Dear Jay:

You make me laugh [and infact still laughing] :-D

You are quite knowledgeable compared to me and who am I to argue?

But yes, not just the "AS IS"; the rules of Vedanga Jyotisha [as

Jyotish is a limb of Vedas] do state so.

It makes sense in many ways too. We are in Kali Yuga and therefore all

the sorrows and sadness that boomerang around are really going to make

Brahma a lot busier than he already is!

It would be ideal for everyone to be sattwic and that is what Sata Yuga

stands for. And I have long pondered just why it is that our planet's

equator that revolves ALSO on its own axis [Equinoxal Precission

that takes roughly 24,000 years] creates so much drama?

To avoid confusion, I mean that even the *axis* of our planet

revolves in a circle that takes 24,000 years [roughly] and this is

what makes the stars and nakshatras look different [in their positions]

as ages and yugas go by. But OK, I will settle with Krittika being the

main reference in our ...er... this period.

This is ALSO the reason that we are still hunting for a CORRECT and

PERFECT ayanamsa and also the reason why we cannot just simply say that

Bhagwan Sri Rama was born at a particular time. We have Bhagwan's

kundali based solely on events of life [or I have really been asleep

and missed a lot of messages].

Instead of diverting too much, in short....

The problem of curses seems to stay [for a long time. LOL] And the

other unpleasant thing about sorrows, sadness, shrappa, curses, etc. is

that....

If you have pissed off [sorry for the language as no other appropriate

word describes this best] multiple people and made them sorry, then you

need forgiveness from ALL of them. Just a single atma forgiving you is

NOT enough!

So your assessment is right about "the majority of the worlds population in the

"affected by

curses" group", and while I hope Brahma takes a vacation on Bhu Loka,

I think we must wait for another Sata Yuga?

Hey Jay, just what can I say? :-)

With that, please convey my best regards to all your loved ones ever

and you take care too.

Aum Namo Narayana

Kind regards and best wishes from

Ron Bach

jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com wrote:

Dear Ron,

Thanks for your interesting mail

regarding curses.

Taking your points "AS IS" will

theoretically place the majority of the worlds population in the

"affected by curses" group, or shall we say that the "none affected"

group is a fraction of the total worls population.

I like to read your comment.

Kind regards

Jay Weiss

-

Ron Bach

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 10:10 AM

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] matching-an

interesting case study

Aum Namo Bhagvate Hrishikeshayaa

Respected Gurudeva, Guruji(s), Dear Prashant and friends,

Sorry, I forgot to mention one very important thing about curses in my

previous reply to this thread.

Here it is:

1) There can ONLY be ONE major curse in any chart.

2) All other curses [generated by respective planets] are subsidiary or

secondary curses.

3) Curses are ALWAYS seen by Graha Dristi and NEVER by Rashi Dristi

[important, because I have had discussions with other shishyas who

started looking at curses from Rashi Dristi - which is not possible].

4) Curses are always from Graha Dristi because curses are DESIRES

[Graha = Desires, Rashi = Circumstance or Scenario].

5) A curse can also be generated if someone is put in a sorrowful

state [strong]. May not necessarily be shrappa.

Hopefully, with the above, "the poet's" chart may thus be analyzed for

curses therein.

With that...please convey my best regards to all your loved ones ever

and you all take care too.

Aum Namo Narayana

Kind regards and best wishes from

Ron Bach

September 16, 2003

Nicely answered Ron.

Indeed some of the points you mention here may be valid within a specific belief

system but on the other hand wouldn't it also be "the easy way out" - blaming

all/most of our misfortunes on curses ?

One may arrive at the "conclusion" that the souls of the past did nothing else

but curse each other for every little thing (I can already HEAR you

laughing...).

Jokes aside, I think that the issue of curses is a very serious one, and has to

be taken with reservation whenever there is the slightest doubt.

Each and everyone of us still have a portion of free will ... (see the book

"Imperial Insights in Vedic Astrology" by R.K. Wishwakarma, #2 "Law of karma,

fate and free will" --- I wish I could mail this article to the list, but than

I'll be breaking the copywrite ...not fair...)

Kind regardsJay Weiss

-

Ron Bach

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:18 AM

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] matching-an interesting case study

Aum Namo Bhagvate HrishikeshayaaPranaams Dear Jay: You make me laugh [and infact

still laughing] :-D You are quite knowledgeable compared to me and who am I to

argue? But yes, not just the "AS IS"; the rules of Vedanga Jyotisha [as Jyotish

is a limb of Vedas] do state so. It makes sense in many ways too. We are in Kali

Yuga and therefore all the sorrows and sadness that boomerang around are really

going to make Brahma a lot busier than he already is!It would be ideal for

everyone to be sattwic and that is what Sata Yuga stands for. And I have long

pondered just why it is that our planet's equator that revolves ALSO on its

own axis [Equinoxal Precission that takes roughly 24,000 years] creates so

much drama?To avoid confusion, I mean that even the *axis* of our planet

revolves in a circle that takes 24,000 years [roughly] and this is what

makes the stars and nakshatras look different [in their positions] as ages and

yugas go by. But OK, I will settle with Krittika being the main reference in

our ...er... this period. This is ALSO the reason that we are still hunting for

a CORRECT and PERFECT ayanamsa and also the reason why we cannot just simply say

that Bhagwan Sri Rama was born at a particular time. We have Bhagwan's kundali

based solely on events of life [or I have really been asleep and missed a lot

of messages]. Instead of diverting too much, in short....The problem of curses

seems to stay [for a long time. LOL] And the other unpleasant thing about

sorrows, sadness, shrappa, curses, etc. is that....If you have pissed off

[sorry for the language as no other appropriate word describes this best]

multiple people and made them sorry, then you need forgiveness from ALL of

them. Just a single atma forgiving you is NOT enough!So your assessment is

right about "the majority of the worlds population in the "affected by curses"

group", and while I hope Brahma takes a vacation on Bhu Loka, I think we must

wait for another Sata Yuga? Hey Jay, just what can I say? :-) With that, please

convey my best regards to all your loved ones ever and you take care too. Aum

Namo NarayanaKind regards and best wishes fromRon Bachjayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com wrote: