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Dear Ash,

How did you arrive to the conclusion that I do nor consider yogas, position

relevance etc..is - I know that each bindu stands for certain relevant factor

in the chart- you missed that from my message- I clearly state what you stated

in your message, in my first sentence. Not to depreciate your point /it's good

to hear that, repeated/ but I've considered that self-explanatory- points do

not come from nowhere., it's clear. Read my message again, please.

 

I said: "I see that you consider difference of one bindu point btw houses

important- in qualitative terms, it perhaps is important- but in judging, for

example dynamic side of it, like transits, it doesn't seem that 1 point makes

much difference- is that your impression too, or not?"

And-Why shouldn't I dwell on application?- that's the major purpose of studying.

You cannot set 'my priorities'can you?- besides, application is ultimate goal of

majority of Jyotishi /the same is in most areas/. It's easy to jump to

conclusion, I've experienced that myself, many times, and apologized, when

noticed that I missed something in arriving to a conclusion. So I will try to

explain this further:

 

In absence of better term I use 'qualitative' aspect, and that implies what you

re-explained: it is relevant HOW the point was 'earned'-

I asked about another aspect HOW MANY, and it's obviously another focus of

potential research that should be done: if you want to see relevance of certain

events, manifestation of transit, and to CORRELATE house-bindus with events,

manifestations, you will not dwell on HOW the points were derived, because it

is DIFFERENT Issue. BOTH are relevant, depending on the focus of the research.

I appreciate knowledge, no matter where it comes from- truth is one, anyway. I

am not fundamentalist, I'll read and get to know different points of view and

then choose on my own- AV issue attracted my interest because R. Houck made a

good point in his book Digital Astrology- you obviously had your own way that

led you to the same issue- both ways came to the same point. Just wanted to

explain my stand point, and that is we need both types of researches /and

bibliography, writings, if available- one among them is R.Houck's book-Why

not??? He also gave useful information on how bindus are arrived at, in simple,

easy to understand way, so I would recommend this reading to you/

At the moment I have transit Saturn in my low bindus 12th house- I will let you

know how that works, from this point of view. And members will contribute so

we'll have research on the List- I had that in mind too- Group resources are

great.

 

Thanks for starting this on the Lists, again.

 

Anna

 

 

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ashsam73

 

Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:51 PM

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Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] AV

Dear Anna,Before you dwelve into the application lets clarify what a bindu

means. A bindu is casted by a planet if it favours or else its a rekha.Now my

quesiton to you is...You have asked.. does 1 bindu make a difference...Let me

ask u this.. does is make a difference if Moon is in 4th from Guru and case 2

is if Moon is in 6th from Guru..I think in the above 2 case a bindu would

change between Guru and Moon.. think about it.. and tell me if it makes a

differnce in a chart.. Then go on to think if a planet that has given a bindu

means it favouring yog.. and a difference of 1 bindu would mean that lagna or 1

of 7 grahas is now not favouring if a bindu reduces.. Basically you have changed

the position of planet.. and bindu is like showing if that relation or yog is

favourable or not.. if not then it gets a rekha...Then go on to think about its

placement in div charts.. and the Asktakavarga of that divisional chart...etc

etc...1 bindu makes a huge difference.. just like a few minutes can make a

huge difference in twins...Ashtakavarga is not just basic.. there its very

involved. and the enitre system of asktakavarga is based on transits.. and

relative positioning of planets with respect to each other and lagna...The

system I follow is not in any book out there.. I have not read Richard Houcks

book so I do not know.. Each and everything has a deep meaning...Cheers

!!!Ash, "N.Anna" <anmar@a...> wrote:> Dear

Ash,> > I've been on the same line of thought- you formulated dilemmas very

effectively. SAV can tell us so much in a simple way- > I see that you consider

difference of one bindu point btw houses important- in qualitative terms, it

perhaps is important- but in judging, for example dynamic side of it, like

transits, it doesn't seem that 1 point makes much difference- is that your

impression too, or not?> malefic transit through low bindus houses line-up can

be very long and difficult - but do you take bindus for the house in general,

or bindus of particular planet in particular house that it's transiting?> R.

Houck used the later to prove the point.> /Digital Astrology/> You seem to

prefer former- yes research is needed.> Thanks for starting this.> Anna> >

- > ashsam73 > To:

> Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:03 AM>

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta

Gurukul] Another case of great career> > > Dear Visti,> I shall append my

answers and question in CAPS. I am using the web > ro answer so I do not

have access to different color.> > > ,

"Visti Larsen" > <balabhadra@j...> wrote:> > > > |Vyam Vyasadevaaya

Namah|> > Dear Ash,> > My good friend, comments below.> > Best wishes>

> Visti> > ---> > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> >

Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > iTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> > - > >

ashsam73 > > > > Friday,

August 08, 2003 11:40 PM> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta

Gurukul] Re: Achyuta > Gurukul] Another case of great career> > > > > >

Dear Visti,> > > > I may not have explained myself clearly.. When we get

SAV points > of > > 12th house and 11th house etc we are considering all

planets in > > relation to each other based on their BAV and finally we

cast > the SAV > > and then we get totals for the house. I know you know

this part.> > > > Visti: Yes.> > > > Now if one has 3 planets in

2nd house then as per BAV scheme > ONLY if > > Guru is in 11th from Shani

it will not give its bindu other than > that > > Each and every planet

will contribute to the 11th house. I > think > > this part also we had

discussed in detail.> > > > Visti: In the future we need to make this

more detailed with > writeups.> > > > Now after doing all that we got

the points of 12th house and > 11th > > house. If more planets are in

2nd house they will contribute to > 12th > > house and if ALONG with that

other planet are not supporting > 11th > > house i.e. making its bindus

more than 12th basically we are > > automatically conidering so many yogs

then there will be debt.> > > > I did check the BAV for Shani and Mars.

They help planets in > 6th > > from them except if Sun is in 6th from

Shani.> > > > Visti: Yes Sambandha is important as you pointed out.

However > you have looked at the natural charachteristics of Mars and Shani

to > support the 6th from there placement - This knowledge can be used to >

understand Mars and Shani's Bindus.> > ASH : I THINK WHEN THE MAHARISHI GAVE

THE ASHTAKAVARGA I.E > BHINASHTAKAVARA I.E THE DISTRIBUTION OF BINDUS OF EACH

PLANET AND IT > ALSO TELLS US WHY A PLANET IS A NATURAL MALEFIC OR A BENEFIC.

FOR > EXAMPLE WE KNOW THAT GURU IS THE GREATEST BENEFIC AND THE MAHARISHIS >

HAVE ALSO GIVEN 59 BINDUS TO GURU TO DISTRIBUTE AND IF I MAY "CAST A >

FAVOURABLE BINDU" A PLANET. SIMILARLY SHANI AND MARS ONLY HAVE 39 > BINDUS

AND WE KNOW THAT THEY "GENERALLY" ARE MALEFIC. SO IT > INDIRETLY USES ALL

THE THINGS. IN TIME I WILL DO MORE RESEARCH BUT > THE ENTIRE ASHTAKAVARGA

SYSTEM IS BASED ON RELATIVE POSITIONING OF > PLANETS W.R.T. EACH OTHER AND

ALSO THE BIGGEST THING IS > FROM "LAGNA". THAT IS WHY ASHTA-KAVARGA. 7

GRAHAS AND "LAGNA". > I THINK YOU HAD ASKSED THIS QUESION ABOUT "LAGNA".>

SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE AUTOMATICALLY CONSISERED WITH RELATION TO > LAGNA. >

> I THINK IF U REALLY FOCUS AND JUST OBSERVE THE BAV OF ALL PLANETS U > CAN

START TO SEE WHY FOR EXAMPLE PLANETS IN 7TH FROM VENUS REDUCE > THE EFFECT OF

VENUS.. MEANING.. VENUS CAN NEVER GET FULL 8 BINDUS IF > THERE IS ANY PLANET

IN 7TH FROM IT... > > IF U ALSO KEENLY NOTICE MOSTLY ALL PLANETS CONTRIBUTE

TO THE UPCHAYA > STHANS... OR HOUSE OF GROWTH... I GUESS IF U REALLY GET DOWN

TO IT.. > U CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE DOTS COVER SO MUCH .. SAMBANDHA, >

YOGS LIKE GAJ KESARI.. ANAPHA, SUNAPHA ETC ETC... ALL YOGAS THAT ONE > DOES

INDIVIDUALLY IS ALL CONSIDERED INCLUDING THEIR CONTRA (WHICH I > THINK TAKES

STUDENTS SO MUCH TIME TO UNDERSTAND CAUSE INADVERTENTLY > THEY CONSIDER ONE

PART AND FORGET TO CONSIDER THE CONTRA AND I HAVE > SEEN THIS SO FREQUENTY

DONE WITH UNDERSTANDING NEECH BHANGA > YOG..) ... ONLY SOME YOGAS THAT ARE

NOT COVERED LIKE PLACEMENT OF > VENUS IS PERTICULAR NAKSHATRA AND 4:10 ETC> >

EVEN IF YOU SEE KAL SARPA YOG.. USING ASHTAKAVARGA YOU CAN AT A > GLANCE SEE

WHY A PERSON CAN HAVE AN EXTENEDED PERIOD OF DIFFICULTY..> > LET ME EXPLAIN..>

> KAL SARPA YOGS OR EVEN KAL AMRIT YOG OR FOR THAT MATTER EVEN GRAH > MALIK

YOG IS CAUSE WHEN PLANETS ARE ON ONE SIDE OF RAHU AND KETU.. > SO BASICALLY

ONE SIDE OF THE HOROSCOPE IS HEAVIER.. AND IF U STUDY > THE SAV POINTS U WILL

FIND THAT ONE SIDE HAS MORE THAN 28 POINTS AND > SINCE THERE ARE ONLY 337

BINDUS TO DISTUIBUTE ITS GOING TO REDUCE > SOME OTHER HOUSE... SO WHEN SUN OR

MALEFICS TRANSIT OVER HOUSES > HAVING LOW SAV OR HAIVING ANY ZEROS.. WILL

DEFINITELY CAUSE > TROUBLE.. AND IF THERE IS SIGN AFTER SIGN HAVING LOW

POINTS THEN > THOUSE PERIODS WILL BE PROLONGED.. AND THE TUNNEL WOULD SEEM

MUCH > LONGER BEFORE THE NATIVE CAN SEE SOME HOME OR RAY OF LIGHT...> > AV

IS A WONDERFUL TOOL IF UNDERSTOOD WELL.... OBVIOUSLY TO BE USED > WITH A FULL

SYSTEM.. LIKE WHAT I USE WITH KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA > SYSTEM WHERE IN ALL

THESE THINGS ARE CONSIDERED DIRECTLY OR > INDIRECLY.. > > > > > Instead

see how Mars and Shani are affecting the 6th from Lagna, > as thats where the

debt arises.> > > > For Mars also helps mostly all planets in 6th from

them except > for > > Shani.> > > > This you can see from their

BAV. But when we finally check the > SAV > > which is a sum total of all

these individual things we come to a > > conclusion that 12th bhava has more

bindus than 11th > so "expense" > > will be more than "income"> > > >

If to check when this debt will come or when will this native be > out > >

of debt that is another topic...> > > > Similarly look at this case..

Shani in 12th and 11th points much > > higher than 12th.. then shani

aspects 2nd, 6th and 9th house and > such > > a person based on "Natural"

quality of shani will not worry > about > > spening money.. now if 11th

points are more than 12th then we > can > > combine the 2 and say that

whatever expense this person has will > be > > and can be met.. now that

does not mean that in some antra in > some > > mahadasha this person will

not have debt.. but some other antra > will > > clear it... Such a shani

can also not give sleep or person wakes > up > > late at night but if

such a shani is with more bindus then it > will > > boost the 9th house

etc etc.. here we are combining natural > natures > > with yogs etc.. I

think these are different questions... one is > to > > do with quality

and other to do with timing...> > > > I hope you understand what I had

tried to say. > > > > Visti: Yes.> > > > I did not understand

what you had said here.. you said Mars will > > remove debt quicky.. here

are u looking at the antar dasa of > Mars to > > remove debt i.e. timing

or are you looking at just mars in > general > > without considering

other planets ?> > > > Visti: When looking at the results of planets

we must > consider their natural charachteristics on a house. Mars will not >

cause debt as its too tight with money. Shani will cause debt. > Jupiter

will try to bring more money. In this mannor we understand > the natural

charachter of each graha.> > ASH : THIS I THINK U ARE FINDING FROM KAL

PURUSHA CHART AND > CONSIDERING KARAKS (WHAT I CALL KARAKS ARE 8TH HOUSE

LORDS FROM THE > HOUSE UNDER CONSIDERATION).> > SO FOR DHAN ITS 2ND HOUSE

AND 8TH FROM 2ND HOUSE IS NATURAL 9TH > HOUSE AND WHICH IS GURU.. SO GURU

CONTROLS THE HEALTH OF KUTUMBA, > WEALTH ETC.. (NOT TALKING OF ALL THE

INDIVIDUAL THINGS SHOWED BY 2ND > HOUSE).> > SIMILARLY MERCURY IS THE NK

FOR INCOME OR 11TH HOUSE AND ALSO 6TH > LORD FOR AUTHORISING INCOME (JOB).

(8TH FROM 11TH HOUSE).. I THINK > > > > > > > Sooo... when we apply this

to the various bhavas we can > immedietely state from the quality of Argala

(and AV subsequently as > they are linked), what the exact effect on a Bhava

will be.> > ASH : I THINK AV IS A COMPLETE TOO AND ENCOMPASES ALL THE THINGS.

> WHEN I GET SOME TIME I WILL DO A RESEARCH.. BUT I CHECK INTERVENTION > ETC

USING BINDUS FOR EXAMPLE.. > > AS PER YOUR EXAMPLE.. MARS IN 3RD HOUSE..

(KEEPING ASIDE THE LAGNA > RISING AS THAT CAN CHANGE THIGNS A LOT).> > BUT

JUST TO SHOW YOU THE DEAPTH OF AV.. CONSIDER 2 CASES OF MARS> > 1) MARS IN

3RD WITH > 4 BINDUS> 2) MARS IN 3RD WITH < 4 BINDUS.> > SUCH A MARS WILL

ACT VERY DIFFERENT OBVIOUSLY.. AS MARS IS A GENERAL > MALEFIC SO WE

"GENERALLY ASSUME" THAT MARS WILL HAVE LESS THAN 4 > BINDUS AS IN MOST CASES

IT GENERALLY HAS THAT.. BUT IN SOME CASES IT > DOES HAVE MORE THAN 4 BINDUS.

THIS IS ONLY POSSIBLE WITH OTHER > PLANETS BEING IN CERTAIN COMBINATIONS AND

ONLY IN CERTAIN > COMBINATIONS FROM MARS AND "MARS FROM LAGNA". SO HERE WE

HAVE > CONSIDERED SO MANY THINGS AT A SHOT.> > NOW USING 4:10

RELATIONSHIP.. SUCH A MARS WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS > WILL MAKE THE 4TH HOUSE

FROM IT DO ITS WORK... NOW IF SUCH A MARS IS > IN SCORPIO THEN IT ALSO HAS

4TH DRISTI.. SO IT WILL INCREASE THE > EFFECTS OF THE 6TH HOUSE.. THESE

THINGS ARE SUBTLE AND NOT TO BE > CONSIDERED FOR TIMING BUT QUALITY.. I THINK

U ALSO USE ARGALA FOR > JUDGING QUALITY AND NOT FOR TIMING .. I MAY BE WRONG

ON THIS ONE.. > > ON THE CONTRARARY IF SUCH A MARS IS WITH MOR BINDUS THEN IT

WILL > HELP THE 12TH HOUSE I.E. PLANES IN 10TH FROM IT.. I THINK THIS >

PRINCIPLE IS ALSO USED TO FIND ARUDHA LAGNA .. I.E. 4:10 .. IF A > PLANETS

ARUDHA FALLS IN LAGNA OR 7TH FROM IT THEN U EITHER USE 4TH > OR 10TH

POSITION...> > SO BASICALLY MY POINT BEING THAT ALL THESE THINGS ARE USED >

INDIRECTLY AS AV IS A COMPLETE TOO IF USED AS A FULL SYSTEM... NOT A > PART...

I WIL LEAVE IT TILL HERE.. WE CAN TAKE UP THE COMPARISION OF > HOW ARGALA IS

CONSIDERED IN AV IN ITS BAV.. AND DISCUSS THAT RATHER > BRAIN STORM ON IT...

> > > > > I.e. Shani's Argala on the 4th house will not be auspicious. >

Reason; 4th house shows happiness and Moon is the natural indicator > of

happiness, which Shani is innimical towards. Hence Shani will > cause sorrow

and shock if it has Argala on the 4th house.> > ASH : THATS JUST ONE PART OF

IT.. WHAT IF SUCH A SHANI HAD 3 > BINDUS ... IT WILL MAKE THE 4TH HOUSE FROM

ITSELF DO THINGS FOR IT.. > OR IF THERE IS A PLANET IN 4TH FROM IT.. WITH

GREATER THAN 4 BINDUS > THEN SUCH A SHANI WILL BECOME VERY VERY POWERFUL FOR

ALL HOUSE... SO > IT IS NOT ...> > HERE IS AM TALKING OF SHANI GIVING VERY

GOOD RESULTS FOR ALL HOUSES > (APART FOR LEO AND VIRGO LAGNA WHERE SHANI IS

6TH LORD) THEN IT WILL > GIVE OVERALL HAPPINESS.. BUT THIS IS FOR TIMING .. I

THINK U ARE > LOOKING AT QUALITY... AND I AM TALKING ONLY OF ANTRA IS

VIMSHOTTARI > DASA STARTING FROM MOON.. (SO THAT READERS ARE NOT CONFUSED).>

> I THINK YOU ARE TALKING OF "FEELING" AND I AM TALKING OF "TIMING".> >

VISTI, DOES ARGALA AFFECT TIMING OF EVENTS DIRECTLY ? OR DOES ARGALA > OR

INTERVENTION HAVE AN EFFECT ON "HOW THINGS FEEL" ? > > > > > Now in BAV

distribution, the points are distributed without > consideration of the

grahas placement with regards to the Lagna. > Points are distributed but

theres no change in the distribution > based on individual placement... this

we need to deduce on our own, > as you said with the individual grahas

placement.> > > > That means that the resultant SAV for a bhava (really a

rasi) > cannot be the final determinor for the natives extent of debt/gains, >

as it merely shows potentiality - bindu or seed. I.e. where growth > can

occur. The nature of this growth is deduced from the BAV and > PAV, as not

all grahas will give the same results in say - 10th > house.> > > > The

point is - which of Mars or Shani has the strongest sway > over the 6th house.

If Mars does then the debts will be removed very > quickly.> > > > If we

agree on the above, then we must consider the following;> > 1. Should we

consider the individual BAV's of Mars and Shani on > the Rasi of the 6th from

Lagna and compare?> > ASH : THESE THINGS ARE CONSIDERD. IF 6TH HOUSE'S SAV IS

HIGH THEN > PERSON GETS GOOD SOCIAL STATUS.. IF 12TH IS HIGHER THAN 11TH THEN

> EXPENSES ARE MORE THAN INCOME.. IF 10TH HOUSE POINTS ARE MORE THAN > 11TH

THEN PERSON HAS TO WORK HARDER FOR HIS MONEY... > IF POINTS IN 3:6:10:11 ARE

IN ASCENDING ORDER .. PERSON HAS GOOD > DARING TO DO BUSINESS AND GETS VERY

HIGH AUTHORITY.. AND WILL BE > SUCCESSFUL IN BUSINESS AND OWN VENUTRE... SO

THESE THINGS ARE ALL > CONSIDERED. EVEN THE BASIC.. VISTI.. ASHTAK-VARGA..

LAGNA + 7 > GRAHAS.. MAHARISHIS HAVE THOUGHT OF IT ALL .. LOL> > > 2.

Should we consider the BAV of Jupiter (dhana karaka) only, > and see the

effects of Mars and Shani on the 6th from Lagna.> > ASH : EACH AND EVERY

THING HAS A MEANING.. I THINK SOMEONE HAD ASKED > IN THE PAST.. WHAT IF THERE

IS ONE BINDU DIFFERENCE... IT MAY NOT > MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE... AND THAT WAS

ABSURD !!! CAUSE A CHANGE OF 1 > BINDU CAN CHANGE VARIOUS YOGS AS A PLANET OR

THE PLANET ITSELF FROM > LAGNA HAS CHANGED.. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS LOTS OF

THINGS GET > AFFECTED.. WHO KNOWS.. A PERSON MIGHT HAVE HAD A GAJ KESARI YOG

AND > NOW IT HAS DURUDHARA YOG.. WHO KNOW... OR MAY CAUSE A ZERO IN SAV >

AND WHEN MALEIFICS TRANSIT IT COULD CAUSE HAVOC.. I MEAN AS YOU > SAID.. GURU

IS NOT ONLY DHAN KARAK.. ITS ALSO KARAK FOR 5TH HOUSE > AND ONE OF THE THINGS

OF 5TH HOUSE IS PUTRA.. SO IF GURU IS GIVING A > ZERO TO 2ND OR 10TH HOUSE OF

9TH HOUSE THEN THE PERSON MIGHT NOT > HAVE ANY CHILDREN.. OR NO HAPPINESS FROM

IT.. OR IF SUCH A GURU IS > IN 6TH LORDS SIGN IN SAPTAMASA THEN IT MAY DENY

IT.. ETC ETC.. SO > YES WE NEED TO CHECK SAV FOR EACH AND EVERY PLANET AS

EACH AND EVERY > BINDU HAS A STORY TO TELL... > > > > > Forget Dasa's

for now.> > ASH : YES .. IT WILL GET TOO COMPLICATED.. > > > CHEERS !!!>

ASH> > > > Thanks for this discussion... its stimulating...> > > >

Thanking you,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> > > > >

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