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Dear Ash,

 

I've been on the same line of thought- you formulated dilemmas very effectively.

SAV can tell us so much in a simple way-

I see that you consider difference of one bindu point btw houses important- in

qualitative terms, it perhaps is important- but in judging, for example dynamic

side of it, like transits, it doesn't seem that 1 point makes much difference-

is that your impression too, or not?

malefic transit through low bindus houses line-up can be very long and difficult

- but do you take bindus for the house in general, or bindus of particular

planet in particular house that it's transiting?

R. Houck used the later to prove the point.

/Digital Astrology/

You seem to prefer former- yes research is needed.

Thanks for starting this.

Anna

 

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ashsam73

 

Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:03 AM

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta

Gurukul] Another case of great career

Dear Visti,I shall append my answers and question in CAPS. I am using the web

ro answer so I do not have access to different color.--- In

, "Visti Larsen" <balabhadra@j...> wrote:> > |Vyam

Vyasadevaaya Namah|> Dear Ash,> My good friend, comments below.> Best wishes>

Visti> ---> Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> Bhagavad Purana:

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ashsam73 > > Friday, August 08, 2003

11:40 PM> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta

Gurukul] Another case of great career> > > Dear Visti,> > I may not have

explained myself clearly.. When we get SAV points of > 12th house and 11th

house etc we are considering all planets in > relation to each other based on

their BAV and finally we cast the SAV > and then we get totals for the house.

I know you know this part.> > Visti: Yes.> > Now if one has 3 planets in

2nd house then as per BAV scheme ONLY if > Guru is in 11th from Shani it will

not give its bindu other than that > Each and every planet will contribute to

the 11th house. I think > this part also we had discussed in detail.> >

Visti: In the future we need to make this more detailed with writeups.> >

Now after doing all that we got the points of 12th house and 11th > house.

If more planets are in 2nd house they will contribute to 12th > house and if

ALONG with that other planet are not supporting 11th > house i.e. making its

bindus more than 12th basically we are > automatically conidering so many

yogs then there will be debt.> > I did check the BAV for Shani and Mars.

They help planets in 6th > from them except if Sun is in 6th from Shani.> >

Visti: Yes Sambandha is important as you pointed out. However you have looked

at the natural charachteristics of Mars and Shani to support the 6th from there

placement - This knowledge can be used to understand Mars and Shani's

Bindus.ASH : I THINK WHEN THE MAHARISHI GAVE THE ASHTAKAVARGA I.E

BHINASHTAKAVARA I.E THE DISTRIBUTION OF BINDUS OF EACH PLANET AND IT ALSO TELLS

US WHY A PLANET IS A NATURAL MALEFIC OR A BENEFIC. FOR EXAMPLE WE KNOW THAT

GURU IS THE GREATEST BENEFIC AND THE MAHARISHIS HAVE ALSO GIVEN 59 BINDUS TO

GURU TO DISTRIBUTE AND IF I MAY "CAST A FAVOURABLE BINDU" A PLANET. SIMILARLY

SHANI AND MARS ONLY HAVE 39 BINDUS AND WE KNOW THAT THEY "GENERALLY" ARE

MALEFIC. SO IT INDIRETLY USES ALL THE THINGS. IN TIME I WILL DO MORE

RESEARCH BUT THE ENTIRE ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM IS BASED ON RELATIVE POSITIONING OF

PLANETS W.R.T. EACH OTHER AND ALSO THE BIGGEST THING IS FROM "LAGNA". THAT IS

WHY ASHTA-KAVARGA. 7 GRAHAS AND "LAGNA". I THINK YOU HAD ASKSED THIS QUESION

ABOUT "LAGNA".SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE AUTOMATICALLY CONSISERED WITH RELATION TO

LAGNA. I THINK IF U REALLY FOCUS AND JUST OBSERVE THE BAV OF ALL PLANETS U CAN

START TO SEE WHY FOR EXAMPLE PLANETS IN 7TH FROM VENUS REDUCE THE EFFECT OF

VENUS.. MEANING.. VENUS CAN NEVER GET FULL 8 BINDUS IF THERE IS ANY PLANET IN

7TH FROM IT... IF U ALSO KEENLY NOTICE MOSTLY ALL PLANETS CONTRIBUTE TO THE

UPCHAYA STHANS... OR HOUSE OF GROWTH... I GUESS IF U REALLY GET DOWN TO IT.. U

CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE DOTS COVER SO MUCH .. SAMBANDHA, YOGS LIKE GAJ

KESARI.. ANAPHA, SUNAPHA ETC ETC... ALL YOGAS THAT ONE DOES INDIVIDUALLY IS ALL

CONSIDERED INCLUDING THEIR CONTRA (WHICH I THINK TAKES STUDENTS SO MUCH TIME TO

UNDERSTAND CAUSE INADVERTENTLY THEY CONSIDER ONE PART AND FORGET TO CONSIDER

THE CONTRA AND I HAVE SEEN THIS SO FREQUENTY DONE WITH UNDERSTANDING NEECH

BHANGA YOG..) ... ONLY SOME YOGAS THAT ARE NOT COVERED LIKE PLACEMENT OF VENUS

IS PERTICULAR NAKSHATRA AND 4:10 ETCEVEN IF YOU SEE KAL SARPA YOG.. USING

ASHTAKAVARGA YOU CAN AT A GLANCE SEE WHY A PERSON CAN HAVE AN EXTENEDED PERIOD

OF DIFFICULTY..LET ME EXPLAIN..KAL SARPA YOGS OR EVEN KAL AMRIT YOG OR FOR THAT

MATTER EVEN GRAH MALIK YOG IS CAUSE WHEN PLANETS ARE ON ONE SIDE OF RAHU AND

KETU.. SO BASICALLY ONE SIDE OF THE HOROSCOPE IS HEAVIER.. AND IF U STUDY THE

SAV POINTS U WILL FIND THAT ONE SIDE HAS MORE THAN 28 POINTS AND SINCE THERE

ARE ONLY 337 BINDUS TO DISTUIBUTE ITS GOING TO REDUCE SOME OTHER HOUSE... SO

WHEN SUN OR MALEFICS TRANSIT OVER HOUSES HAVING LOW SAV OR HAIVING ANY ZEROS..

WILL DEFINITELY CAUSE TROUBLE.. AND IF THERE IS SIGN AFTER SIGN HAVING LOW

POINTS THEN THOUSE PERIODS WILL BE PROLONGED.. AND THE TUNNEL WOULD SEEM MUCH

LONGER BEFORE THE NATIVE CAN SEE SOME HOME OR RAY OF LIGHT...AV IS A WONDERFUL

TOOL IF UNDERSTOOD WELL.... OBVIOUSLY TO BE USED WITH A FULL SYSTEM.. LIKE WHAT

I USE WITH KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM WHERE IN ALL THESE THINGS ARE CONSIDERED

DIRECTLY OR INDIRECLY.. > > Instead see how Mars and Shani are affecting the

6th from Lagna, as thats where the debt arises.> > For Mars also helps mostly

all planets in 6th from them except for > Shani.> > This you can see from

their BAV. But when we finally check the SAV > which is a sum total of all

these individual things we come to a > conclusion that 12th bhava has more

bindus than 11th so "expense" > will be more than "income"> > If to check

when this debt will come or when will this native be out > of debt that is

another topic...> > Similarly look at this case.. Shani in 12th and 11th

points much > higher than 12th.. then shani aspects 2nd, 6th and 9th house

and such > a person based on "Natural" quality of shani will not worry about

> spening money.. now if 11th points are more than 12th then we can >

combine the 2 and say that whatever expense this person has will be > and can

be met.. now that does not mean that in some antra in some > mahadasha this

person will not have debt.. but some other antra will > clear it... Such a

shani can also not give sleep or person wakes up > late at night but if such

a shani is with more bindus then it will > boost the 9th house etc etc.. here

we are combining natural natures > with yogs etc.. I think these are different

questions... one is to > do with quality and other to do with timing...> >

I hope you understand what I had tried to say. > > Visti: Yes.> > I did

not understand what you had said here.. you said Mars will > remove debt

quicky.. here are u looking at the antar dasa of Mars to > remove debt i.e.

timing or are you looking at just mars in general > without considering other

planets ?> > Visti: When looking at the results of planets we must consider

their natural charachteristics on a house. Mars will not cause debt as its too

tight with money. Shani will cause debt. Jupiter will try to bring more money.

In this mannor we understand the natural charachter of each graha.ASH : THIS I

THINK U ARE FINDING FROM KAL PURUSHA CHART AND CONSIDERING KARAKS (WHAT I CALL

KARAKS ARE 8TH HOUSE LORDS FROM THE HOUSE UNDER CONSIDERATION).SO FOR DHAN ITS

2ND HOUSE AND 8TH FROM 2ND HOUSE IS NATURAL 9TH HOUSE AND WHICH IS GURU.. SO

GURU CONTROLS THE HEALTH OF KUTUMBA, WEALTH ETC.. (NOT TALKING OF ALL THE

INDIVIDUAL THINGS SHOWED BY 2ND HOUSE).SIMILARLY MERCURY IS THE NK FOR INCOME

OR 11TH HOUSE AND ALSO 6TH LORD FOR AUTHORISING INCOME (JOB). (8TH FROM 11TH

HOUSE).. I THINK > > Sooo... when we apply this to the various bhavas we can

immedietely state from the quality of Argala (and AV subsequently as they are

linked), what the exact effect on a Bhava will be.ASH : I THINK AV IS A

COMPLETE TOO AND ENCOMPASES ALL THE THINGS. WHEN I GET SOME TIME I WILL DO A

RESEARCH.. BUT I CHECK INTERVENTION ETC USING BINDUS FOR EXAMPLE.. AS PER YOUR

EXAMPLE.. MARS IN 3RD HOUSE.. (KEEPING ASIDE THE LAGNA RISING AS THAT CAN

CHANGE THIGNS A LOT).BUT JUST TO SHOW YOU THE DEAPTH OF AV.. CONSIDER 2 CASES

OF MARS1) MARS IN 3RD WITH > 4 BINDUS2) MARS IN 3RD WITH < 4 BINDUS.SUCH A MARS

WILL ACT VERY DIFFERENT OBVIOUSLY.. AS MARS IS A GENERAL MALEFIC SO WE

"GENERALLY ASSUME" THAT MARS WILL HAVE LESS THAN 4 BINDUS AS IN MOST CASES IT

GENERALLY HAS THAT.. BUT IN SOME CASES IT DOES HAVE MORE THAN 4 BINDUS. THIS

IS ONLY POSSIBLE WITH OTHER PLANETS BEING IN CERTAIN COMBINATIONS AND ONLY IN

CERTAIN COMBINATIONS FROM MARS AND "MARS FROM LAGNA". SO HERE WE HAVE

CONSIDERED SO MANY THINGS AT A SHOT.NOW USING 4:10 RELATIONSHIP.. SUCH A MARS

WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS WILL MAKE THE 4TH HOUSE FROM IT DO ITS WORK... NOW IF

SUCH A MARS IS IN SCORPIO THEN IT ALSO HAS 4TH DRISTI.. SO IT WILL INCREASE THE

EFFECTS OF THE 6TH HOUSE.. THESE THINGS ARE SUBTLE AND NOT TO BE CONSIDERED FOR

TIMING BUT QUALITY.. I THINK U ALSO USE ARGALA FOR JUDGING QUALITY AND NOT FOR

TIMING .. I MAY BE WRONG ON THIS ONE.. ON THE CONTRARARY IF SUCH A MARS IS WITH

MOR BINDUS THEN IT WILL HELP THE 12TH HOUSE I.E. PLANES IN 10TH FROM IT.. I

THINK THIS PRINCIPLE IS ALSO USED TO FIND ARUDHA LAGNA .. I.E. 4:10 .. IF A

PLANETS ARUDHA FALLS IN LAGNA OR 7TH FROM IT THEN U EITHER USE 4TH OR 10TH

POSITION...SO BASICALLY MY POINT BEING THAT ALL THESE THINGS ARE USED

INDIRECTLY AS AV IS A COMPLETE TOO IF USED AS A FULL SYSTEM... NOT A PART... I

WIL LEAVE IT TILL HERE.. WE CAN TAKE UP THE COMPARISION OF HOW ARGALA IS

CONSIDERED IN AV IN ITS BAV.. AND DISCUSS THAT RATHER BRAIN STORM ON IT... > >

I.e. Shani's Argala on the 4th house will not be auspicious. Reason; 4th house

shows happiness and Moon is the natural indicator of happiness, which Shani is

innimical towards. Hence Shani will cause sorrow and shock if it has Argala on

the 4th house.ASH : THATS JUST ONE PART OF IT.. WHAT IF SUCH A SHANI HAD 3

BINDUS ... IT WILL MAKE THE 4TH HOUSE FROM ITSELF DO THINGS FOR IT.. OR IF

THERE IS A PLANET IN 4TH FROM IT.. WITH GREATER THAN 4 BINDUS THEN SUCH A SHANI

WILL BECOME VERY VERY POWERFUL FOR ALL HOUSE... SO IT IS NOT ...HERE IS AM

TALKING OF SHANI GIVING VERY GOOD RESULTS FOR ALL HOUSES (APART FOR LEO AND

VIRGO LAGNA WHERE SHANI IS 6TH LORD) THEN IT WILL GIVE OVERALL HAPPINESS.. BUT

THIS IS FOR TIMING .. I THINK U ARE LOOKING AT QUALITY... AND I AM TALKING ONLY

OF ANTRA IS VIMSHOTTARI DASA STARTING FROM MOON.. (SO THAT READERS ARE NOT

CONFUSED).I THINK YOU ARE TALKING OF "FEELING" AND I AM TALKING OF

"TIMING".VISTI, DOES ARGALA AFFECT TIMING OF EVENTS DIRECTLY ? OR DOES ARGALA

OR INTERVENTION HAVE AN EFFECT ON "HOW THINGS FEEL" ? > > Now in BAV

distribution, the points are distributed without consideration of the grahas

placement with regards to the Lagna. Points are distributed but theres no

change in the distribution based on individual placement... this we need to

deduce on our own, as you said with the individual grahas placement.> > That

means that the resultant SAV for a bhava (really a rasi) cannot be the final

determinor for the natives extent of debt/gains, as it merely shows

potentiality - bindu or seed. I.e. where growth can occur. The nature of this

growth is deduced from the BAV and PAV, as not all grahas will give the same

results in say - 10th house.> > The point is - which of Mars or Shani has the

strongest sway over the 6th house. If Mars does then the debts will be removed

very quickly.> > If we agree on the above, then we must consider the

following;> 1. Should we consider the individual BAV's of Mars and Shani on

the Rasi of the 6th from Lagna and compare?ASH : THESE THINGS ARE CONSIDERD.

IF 6TH HOUSE'S SAV IS HIGH THEN PERSON GETS GOOD SOCIAL STATUS.. IF 12TH IS

HIGHER THAN 11TH THEN EXPENSES ARE MORE THAN INCOME.. IF 10TH HOUSE POINTS ARE

MORE THAN 11TH THEN PERSON HAS TO WORK HARDER FOR HIS MONEY... IF POINTS IN

3:6:10:11 ARE IN ASCENDING ORDER .. PERSON HAS GOOD DARING TO DO BUSINESS AND

GETS VERY HIGH AUTHORITY.. AND WILL BE SUCCESSFUL IN BUSINESS AND OWN

VENUTRE... SO THESE THINGS ARE ALL CONSIDERED. EVEN THE BASIC.. VISTI..

ASHTAK-VARGA.. LAGNA + 7 GRAHAS.. MAHARISHIS HAVE THOUGHT OF IT ALL .. LOL>

2. Should we consider the BAV of Jupiter (dhana karaka) only, and see the

effects of Mars and Shani on the 6th from Lagna.ASH : EACH AND EVERY THING HAS

A MEANING.. I THINK SOMEONE HAD ASKED IN THE PAST.. WHAT IF THERE IS ONE BINDU

DIFFERENCE... IT MAY NOT MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE... AND THAT WAS ABSURD !!! CAUSE

A CHANGE OF 1 BINDU CAN CHANGE VARIOUS YOGS AS A PLANET OR THE PLANET ITSELF

FROM LAGNA HAS CHANGED.. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS LOTS OF THINGS GET AFFECTED..

WHO KNOWS.. A PERSON MIGHT HAVE HAD A GAJ KESARI YOG AND NOW IT HAS DURUDHARA

YOG.. WHO KNOW... OR MAY CAUSE A ZERO IN SAV AND WHEN MALEIFICS TRANSIT IT

COULD CAUSE HAVOC.. I MEAN AS YOU SAID.. GURU IS NOT ONLY DHAN KARAK.. ITS ALSO

KARAK FOR 5TH HOUSE AND ONE OF THE THINGS OF 5TH HOUSE IS PUTRA.. SO IF GURU IS

GIVING A ZERO TO 2ND OR 10TH HOUSE OF 9TH HOUSE THEN THE PERSON MIGHT NOT HAVE

ANY CHILDREN.. OR NO HAPPINESS FROM IT.. OR IF SUCH A GURU IS IN 6TH LORDS SIGN

IN SAPTAMASA THEN IT MAY DENY IT.. ETC ETC.. SO YES WE NEED TO CHECK SAV FOR

EACH AND EVERY PLANET AS EACH AND EVERY BINDU HAS A STORY TO TELL... > >

Forget Dasa's for now.ASH : YES .. IT WILL GET TOO COMPLICATED.. CHEERS !!!ASH>

> Thanks for this discussion... its stimulating...> > Thanking you,>

Cheers !!!> Ash[Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah]Send a blank mailTo

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