Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Another case of great career

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Dear Visti,

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, "Visti Larsen"

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> |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|

> Dear Ash,

> My good friend, comments below.

> Best wishes

> Visti

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> Friday, August 08, 2003 11:40 PM

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta

Gurukul] Another case of great career

>

>

> Dear Visti,

>

> I may not have explained myself clearly.. When we get SAV points

of

> 12th house and 11th house etc we are considering all planets in

> relation to each other based on their BAV and finally we cast

the SAV

> and then we get totals for the house. I know you know this part.

>

> Visti: Yes.

>

> Now if one has 3 planets in 2nd house then as per BAV scheme

ONLY if

> Guru is in 11th from Shani it will not give its bindu other than

that

> Each and every planet will contribute to the 11th house. I

think

> this part also we had discussed in detail.

>

> Visti: In the future we need to make this more detailed with

writeups.

>

> Now after doing all that we got the points of 12th house and

11th

> house. If more planets are in 2nd house they will contribute to

12th

> house and if ALONG with that other planet are not supporting

11th

> house i.e. making its bindus more than 12th basically we are

> automatically conidering so many yogs then there will be debt.

>

> I did check the BAV for Shani and Mars. They help planets in

6th

> from them except if Sun is in 6th from Shani.

>

> Visti: Yes Sambandha is important as you pointed out. However

you have looked at the natural charachteristics of Mars and Shani to

support the 6th from there placement - This knowledge can be used to

understand Mars and Shani's Bindus.

 

ASH : I THINK WHEN THE MAHARISHI GAVE THE ASHTAKAVARGA I.E

BHINASHTAKAVARA I.E THE DISTRIBUTION OF BINDUS OF EACH PLANET AND IT

ALSO TELLS US WHY A PLANET IS A NATURAL MALEFIC OR A BENEFIC. FOR

EXAMPLE WE KNOW THAT GURU IS THE GREATEST BENEFIC AND THE MAHARISHIS

HAVE ALSO GIVEN 59 BINDUS TO GURU TO DISTRIBUTE AND IF I MAY "CAST A

FAVOURABLE BINDU" A PLANET. SIMILARLY SHANI AND MARS ONLY HAVE 39

BINDUS AND WE KNOW THAT THEY "GENERALLY" ARE MALEFIC. SO IT

INDIRETLY USES ALL THE THINGS. IN TIME I WILL DO MORE RESEARCH BUT

THE ENTIRE ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM IS BASED ON RELATIVE POSITIONING OF

PLANETS W.R.T. EACH OTHER AND ALSO THE BIGGEST THING IS

FROM "LAGNA". THAT IS WHY ASHTA-KAVARGA. 7 GRAHAS AND "LAGNA".

I THINK YOU HAD ASKSED THIS QUESION ABOUT "LAGNA".

SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE AUTOMATICALLY CONSISERED WITH RELATION TO

LAGNA.

 

I THINK IF U REALLY FOCUS AND JUST OBSERVE THE BAV OF ALL PLANETS U

CAN START TO SEE WHY FOR EXAMPLE PLANETS IN 7TH FROM VENUS REDUCE

THE EFFECT OF VENUS.. MEANING.. VENUS CAN NEVER GET FULL 8 BINDUS IF

THERE IS ANY PLANET IN 7TH FROM IT...

 

IF U ALSO KEENLY NOTICE MOSTLY ALL PLANETS CONTRIBUTE TO THE UPCHAYA

STHANS... OR HOUSE OF GROWTH... I GUESS IF U REALLY GET DOWN TO IT..

U CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE DOTS COVER SO MUCH .. SAMBANDHA,

YOGS LIKE GAJ KESARI.. ANAPHA, SUNAPHA ETC ETC... ALL YOGAS THAT ONE

DOES INDIVIDUALLY IS ALL CONSIDERED INCLUDING THEIR CONTRA (WHICH I

THINK TAKES STUDENTS SO MUCH TIME TO UNDERSTAND CAUSE INADVERTENTLY

THEY CONSIDER ONE PART AND FORGET TO CONSIDER THE CONTRA AND I HAVE

SEEN THIS SO FREQUENTY DONE WITH UNDERSTANDING NEECH BHANGA

YOG..) ... ONLY SOME YOGAS THAT ARE NOT COVERED LIKE PLACEMENT OF

VENUS IS PERTICULAR NAKSHATRA AND 4:10 ETC

 

EVEN IF YOU SEE KAL SARPA YOG.. USING ASHTAKAVARGA YOU CAN AT A

GLANCE SEE WHY A PERSON CAN HAVE AN EXTENEDED PERIOD OF DIFFICULTY..

 

LET ME EXPLAIN..

 

KAL SARPA YOGS OR EVEN KAL AMRIT YOG OR FOR THAT MATTER EVEN GRAH

MALIK YOG IS CAUSE WHEN PLANETS ARE ON ONE SIDE OF RAHU AND KETU..

SO BASICALLY ONE SIDE OF THE HOROSCOPE IS HEAVIER.. AND IF U STUDY

THE SAV POINTS U WILL FIND THAT ONE SIDE HAS MORE THAN 28 POINTS AND

SINCE THERE ARE ONLY 337 BINDUS TO DISTUIBUTE ITS GOING TO REDUCE

SOME OTHER HOUSE... SO WHEN SUN OR MALEFICS TRANSIT OVER HOUSES

HAVING LOW SAV OR HAIVING ANY ZEROS.. WILL DEFINITELY CAUSE

TROUBLE.. AND IF THERE IS SIGN AFTER SIGN HAVING LOW POINTS THEN

THOUSE PERIODS WILL BE PROLONGED.. AND THE TUNNEL WOULD SEEM MUCH

LONGER BEFORE THE NATIVE CAN SEE SOME HOME OR RAY OF LIGHT...

 

AV IS A WONDERFUL TOOL IF UNDERSTOOD WELL.... OBVIOUSLY TO BE USED

WITH A FULL SYSTEM.. LIKE WHAT I USE WITH KRUSHNAS ASHTAKAVARGA

SYSTEM WHERE IN ALL THESE THINGS ARE CONSIDERED DIRECTLY OR

INDIRECLY..

 

>

> Instead see how Mars and Shani are affecting the 6th from Lagna,

as thats where the debt arises.

>

> For Mars also helps mostly all planets in 6th from them except

for

> Shani.

>

> This you can see from their BAV. But when we finally check the

SAV

> which is a sum total of all these individual things we come to a

> conclusion that 12th bhava has more bindus than 11th

so "expense"

> will be more than "income"

>

> If to check when this debt will come or when will this native be

out

> of debt that is another topic...

>

> Similarly look at this case.. Shani in 12th and 11th points much

> higher than 12th.. then shani aspects 2nd, 6th and 9th house and

such

> a person based on "Natural" quality of shani will not worry

about

> spening money.. now if 11th points are more than 12th then we

can

> combine the 2 and say that whatever expense this person has will

be

> and can be met.. now that does not mean that in some antra in

some

> mahadasha this person will not have debt.. but some other antra

will

> clear it... Such a shani can also not give sleep or person wakes

up

> late at night but if such a shani is with more bindus then it

will

> boost the 9th house etc etc.. here we are combining natural

natures

> with yogs etc.. I think these are different questions... one is

to

> do with quality and other to do with timing...

>

> I hope you understand what I had tried to say.

>

> Visti: Yes.

>

> I did not understand what you had said here.. you said Mars will

> remove debt quicky.. here are u looking at the antar dasa of

Mars to

> remove debt i.e. timing or are you looking at just mars in

general

> without considering other planets ?

>

> Visti: When looking at the results of planets we must

consider their natural charachteristics on a house. Mars will not

cause debt as its too tight with money. Shani will cause debt.

Jupiter will try to bring more money. In this mannor we understand

the natural charachter of each graha.

 

ASH : THIS I THINK U ARE FINDING FROM KAL PURUSHA CHART AND

CONSIDERING KARAKS (WHAT I CALL KARAKS ARE 8TH HOUSE LORDS FROM THE

HOUSE UNDER CONSIDERATION).

 

SO FOR DHAN ITS 2ND HOUSE AND 8TH FROM 2ND HOUSE IS NATURAL 9TH

HOUSE AND WHICH IS GURU.. SO GURU CONTROLS THE HEALTH OF KUTUMBA,

WEALTH ETC.. (NOT TALKING OF ALL THE INDIVIDUAL THINGS SHOWED BY 2ND

HOUSE).

 

SIMILARLY MERCURY IS THE NK FOR INCOME OR 11TH HOUSE AND ALSO 6TH

LORD FOR AUTHORISING INCOME (JOB). (8TH FROM 11TH HOUSE).. I THINK

 

 

 

>

> Sooo... when we apply this to the various bhavas we can

immedietely state from the quality of Argala (and AV subsequently as

they are linked), what the exact effect on a Bhava will be.

 

ASH : I THINK AV IS A COMPLETE TOO AND ENCOMPASES ALL THE THINGS.

WHEN I GET SOME TIME I WILL DO A RESEARCH.. BUT I CHECK INTERVENTION

ETC USING BINDUS FOR EXAMPLE..

 

AS PER YOUR EXAMPLE.. MARS IN 3RD HOUSE.. (KEEPING ASIDE THE LAGNA

RISING AS THAT CAN CHANGE THIGNS A LOT).

 

BUT JUST TO SHOW YOU THE DEAPTH OF AV.. CONSIDER 2 CASES OF MARS

 

1) MARS IN 3RD WITH > 4 BINDUS

2) MARS IN 3RD WITH < 4 BINDUS.

 

SUCH A MARS WILL ACT VERY DIFFERENT OBVIOUSLY.. AS MARS IS A GENERAL

MALEFIC SO WE "GENERALLY ASSUME" THAT MARS WILL HAVE LESS THAN 4

BINDUS AS IN MOST CASES IT GENERALLY HAS THAT.. BUT IN SOME CASES IT

DOES HAVE MORE THAN 4 BINDUS. THIS IS ONLY POSSIBLE WITH OTHER

PLANETS BEING IN CERTAIN COMBINATIONS AND ONLY IN CERTAIN

COMBINATIONS FROM MARS AND "MARS FROM LAGNA". SO HERE WE HAVE

CONSIDERED SO MANY THINGS AT A SHOT.

 

NOW USING 4:10 RELATIONSHIP.. SUCH A MARS WITH LESS THAN 4 BINDUS

WILL MAKE THE 4TH HOUSE FROM IT DO ITS WORK... NOW IF SUCH A MARS IS

IN SCORPIO THEN IT ALSO HAS 4TH DRISTI.. SO IT WILL INCREASE THE

EFFECTS OF THE 6TH HOUSE.. THESE THINGS ARE SUBTLE AND NOT TO BE

CONSIDERED FOR TIMING BUT QUALITY.. I THINK U ALSO USE ARGALA FOR

JUDGING QUALITY AND NOT FOR TIMING .. I MAY BE WRONG ON THIS ONE..

 

ON THE CONTRARARY IF SUCH A MARS IS WITH MOR BINDUS THEN IT WILL

HELP THE 12TH HOUSE I.E. PLANES IN 10TH FROM IT.. I THINK THIS

PRINCIPLE IS ALSO USED TO FIND ARUDHA LAGNA .. I.E. 4:10 .. IF A

PLANETS ARUDHA FALLS IN LAGNA OR 7TH FROM IT THEN U EITHER USE 4TH

OR 10TH POSITION...

 

SO BASICALLY MY POINT BEING THAT ALL THESE THINGS ARE USED

INDIRECTLY AS AV IS A COMPLETE TOO IF USED AS A FULL SYSTEM... NOT A

PART... I WIL LEAVE IT TILL HERE.. WE CAN TAKE UP THE COMPARISION OF

HOW ARGALA IS CONSIDERED IN AV IN ITS BAV.. AND DISCUSS THAT RATHER

BRAIN STORM ON IT...

 

>

> I.e. Shani's Argala on the 4th house will not be auspicious.

Reason; 4th house shows happiness and Moon is the natural indicator

of happiness, which Shani is innimical towards. Hence Shani will

cause sorrow and shock if it has Argala on the 4th house.

 

ASH : THATS JUST ONE PART OF IT.. WHAT IF SUCH A SHANI HAD 3

BINDUS ... IT WILL MAKE THE 4TH HOUSE FROM ITSELF DO THINGS FOR IT..

OR IF THERE IS A PLANET IN 4TH FROM IT.. WITH GREATER THAN 4 BINDUS

THEN SUCH A SHANI WILL BECOME VERY VERY POWERFUL FOR ALL HOUSE... SO

IT IS NOT ...

 

HERE IS AM TALKING OF SHANI GIVING VERY GOOD RESULTS FOR ALL HOUSES

(APART FOR LEO AND VIRGO LAGNA WHERE SHANI IS 6TH LORD) THEN IT WILL

GIVE OVERALL HAPPINESS.. BUT THIS IS FOR TIMING .. I THINK U ARE

LOOKING AT QUALITY... AND I AM TALKING ONLY OF ANTRA IS VIMSHOTTARI

DASA STARTING FROM MOON.. (SO THAT READERS ARE NOT CONFUSED).

 

I THINK YOU ARE TALKING OF "FEELING" AND I AM TALKING OF "TIMING".

 

VISTI, DOES ARGALA AFFECT TIMING OF EVENTS DIRECTLY ? OR DOES ARGALA

OR INTERVENTION HAVE AN EFFECT ON "HOW THINGS FEEL" ?

 

>

> Now in BAV distribution, the points are distributed without

consideration of the grahas placement with regards to the Lagna.

Points are distributed but theres no change in the distribution

based on individual placement... this we need to deduce on our own,

as you said with the individual grahas placement.

>

> That means that the resultant SAV for a bhava (really a rasi)

cannot be the final determinor for the natives extent of debt/gains,

as it merely shows potentiality - bindu or seed. I.e. where growth

can occur. The nature of this growth is deduced from the BAV and

PAV, as not all grahas will give the same results in say - 10th

house.

>

> The point is - which of Mars or Shani has the strongest sway

over the 6th house. If Mars does then the debts will be removed very

quickly.

>

> If we agree on the above, then we must consider the following;

> 1. Should we consider the individual BAV's of Mars and Shani on

the Rasi of the 6th from Lagna and compare?

 

ASH : THESE THINGS ARE CONSIDERD. IF 6TH HOUSE'S SAV IS HIGH THEN

PERSON GETS GOOD SOCIAL STATUS.. IF 12TH IS HIGHER THAN 11TH THEN

EXPENSES ARE MORE THAN INCOME.. IF 10TH HOUSE POINTS ARE MORE THAN

11TH THEN PERSON HAS TO WORK HARDER FOR HIS MONEY...

IF POINTS IN 3:6:10:11 ARE IN ASCENDING ORDER .. PERSON HAS GOOD

DARING TO DO BUSINESS AND GETS VERY HIGH AUTHORITY.. AND WILL BE

SUCCESSFUL IN BUSINESS AND OWN VENUTRE... SO THESE THINGS ARE ALL

CONSIDERED. EVEN THE BASIC.. VISTI.. ASHTAK-VARGA.. LAGNA + 7

GRAHAS.. MAHARISHIS HAVE THOUGHT OF IT ALL .. LOL

 

> 2. Should we consider the BAV of Jupiter (dhana karaka) only,

and see the effects of Mars and Shani on the 6th from Lagna.

 

ASH : EACH AND EVERY THING HAS A MEANING.. I THINK SOMEONE HAD ASKED

IN THE PAST.. WHAT IF THERE IS ONE BINDU DIFFERENCE... IT MAY NOT

MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE... AND THAT WAS ABSURD !!! CAUSE A CHANGE OF 1

BINDU CAN CHANGE VARIOUS YOGS AS A PLANET OR THE PLANET ITSELF FROM

LAGNA HAS CHANGED.. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS LOTS OF THINGS GET

AFFECTED.. WHO KNOWS.. A PERSON MIGHT HAVE HAD A GAJ KESARI YOG AND

NOW IT HAS DURUDHARA YOG.. WHO KNOW... OR MAY CAUSE A ZERO IN SAV

AND WHEN MALEIFICS TRANSIT IT COULD CAUSE HAVOC.. I MEAN AS YOU

SAID.. GURU IS NOT ONLY DHAN KARAK.. ITS ALSO KARAK FOR 5TH HOUSE

AND ONE OF THE THINGS OF 5TH HOUSE IS PUTRA.. SO IF GURU IS GIVING A

ZERO TO 2ND OR 10TH HOUSE OF 9TH HOUSE THEN THE PERSON MIGHT NOT

HAVE ANY CHILDREN.. OR NO HAPPINESS FROM IT.. OR IF SUCH A GURU IS

IN 6TH LORDS SIGN IN SAPTAMASA THEN IT MAY DENY IT.. ETC ETC.. SO

YES WE NEED TO CHECK SAV FOR EACH AND EVERY PLANET AS EACH AND EVERY

BINDU HAS A STORY TO TELL...

 

>

> Forget Dasa's for now.

 

ASH : YES .. IT WILL GET TOO COMPLICATED..

 

 

CHEERS !!!

ASH

>

> Thanks for this discussion... its stimulating...

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash